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Submitted as a comment by BU family member Inkwell in response to BU Blog It Is Business As Usual In The PSV Sector Prime Minister

Hon John Boyce, Minister of Public Works
Hon John Boyce, Minister of Public Works

The Public Service Vehicle sector has for some time been the source of much concern to Government and the society in general. It has been accused with justification of uncivil, illegal and offensive behaviour and the “minibus culture” has been deemed to have a corrupting and disruptive effect on the nation’s youth. Many have called on the operators to correct this behaviour and all right thinking citizens agree that change in the sector is required. This article looks at the background to the issue and puts forward some of what I think, from many conversations with owners and operators of these vehicles, are the underlying reasons for the present situation and proposes some solutions.

Public transportation in Barbados is provided by the Government owned Barbados Transport Board and privately owned Public Service Vehicles (PSV’s). The Route Taxi (ZR) pays road taxes of $4,500 annually for vehicles licensed to carry 14 passengers. The Minibus (B) pays $7,200 annually for vehicles licensed to carry 34 passengers. The Transport Board bus (BM) pays $800 for vehicles licensed to carry 34 passengers and $2,500 for buses licensed to carry 65 passengers.

Hino Rainbow coaches operated by some private owners, have a seating capacity of 31 and standing capacity of about 20, for a total of 51. Under the existing permit structure, the number of passengers allowed on these vehicles is 34 and the Police routinely report the operators for “overloading” if more are on board and remove the excess. The Ministry of Transport has been requested to amend the permits of owners of these vehicles to recognize the larger capacity, but has not seen fit to do so, much to the frustration of these owners.

Transport Board buses carry more passengers than permitted on a daily basis and the Police routinely turn a blind eye, while persistently reporting PSV personnel and ordering as few as one (1) excess passenger off the vehicle. Drivers and conductors feel that they are being unfairly targeted, while Transport Board drivers are allowed to break the same law with impunity. There is no transport system in the world that can accommodate peak period demand without some crowding and PSV’s ought to be given the same leeway as that extended to the Transport Board, in the interest of efficiency in transporting the commuting public.

PSV’s are refused access to the facilities of the country’s three major bus terminals, Fairchild St, the Lower Green and Speightstown, much to the inconvenience of the operators and traveling public, who have no shelter from sun or rain at these locations. The conditions which PSV crews and commuters have to endure, particularly at the River stand, are deplorable and unacceptable in any society aspiring to developed status. The two areas formerly used by the PSV’s at Probyn St and Speightstown are now prohibited and PSV’s are forced to park along the road, an action which many operators feel was taken deliberately to discommode them. In addition, PSV crews and passengers at these locations have no toilet facilities, the lack of which promotes unsanitary conditions.

Bus fares have been fixed by Government at $1.50 since 1991. The cost of vehicles, replacement parts, servicing, mechanical repairs, bodywork, diesel fuel, oil and lubricants has increased out of all recognition in the seventeen intervening years, but Government has consistently refused consideration of a fare increase or a reduction of other imposts and as a result, the profitability of the sector has been steadily eroded over the years almost to the point of non-viability.

The Transport Board has operated at substantial losses over the past forty years and Government has continued to subsidize it at considerable cost to the tax payer rather than increase bus fares. The corollary to this is that Government is forcing private transport providers to operate their businesses at an income level which it knows to be below the economic cost of providing the service and making it extremely difficult for them to survive. The Public Service Vehicle operator is very likely the only entrepreneur in any free enterprise economic system who has had his income base legally restricted, while his operating expenses have been subject to everyday inflationary pressures over a seventeen year period, in addition to the imposition of punitive taxes by government.

For many years up until the beginning of the new school year in September last, Government mandated that students in uniform or students of other educational institutions with identification pay $1 on private or public transport. The Ministry of Education paid the Transport Board a subsidy of .50c for each student carried. The PSV operator could not legally refuse to carry students, but was denied any reimbursement from Government and was in effect being forced to subsidize student travel out of his own pocket.

It is accepted that maintaining low bus fares is a part of Government’s social policy as a way of easing the economic burden on that part of the population with the lowest income levels. While this policy is laudable, it does not take into consideration that private owners constitute a substantial part of the island’s public transportation infrastructure and that their operations are as a result negatively affected, in view of the fact that they receive no subsidy from government.

While The Transport Board imports its buses duty free and other operators in the transportation industry, tour coaches and taxis receive duty free concessions from Government, PSV’s are subject to normal import duties on vehicles and parts.

In circumstances where they can get no increase in income or relief from other taxes and duties and in the face of ever increasing operating costs, the only means of survival for the PSV operators is in maximizing the numbers of fares collected, hence the constant competition among themselves for passengers, resulting in complaints of overloading, the breaking of traffic laws and general lack of consideration for other road users.

The official setting of an artificially low bus fare has other unrecognized or unacknowledged negative implications. The first of these is that the earning capacity of workers in this sector has been similarly limited for the past seventeen years. Their wages have been limited by the fact that their employers’ income base has been set by Government mandate, whereas workers in the competing Transport Board have had increases in wages over the same period, increases which have been funded from the public purse and not solely from income generation.

A worker who has not had a wage increase in seventeen years and who has to work a fifteen hour day on average to maintain a basic level of income is a disgruntled worker.

This situation has led to an extremely high turnover rate in employees in the sector and indeed some of these employees make their way into the Barbados Transport Board, where they find better wages and relief from what they perceive to be unfair police treatment, but carrying with them some of their bad “PSV” habits.

The second implication of the seventeen year old $1.50 fare is that the low wages available in the PSV sector attract only a certain level of employee. The inability of owners to offer a decent wage affects their ability to attract a higher level worker and as a result, we are seeing the type of indiscipline and indeed hostility being exhibited.

None of the above is intended to defend or excuse loutish behaviour or condone the breaking of traffic laws, but to offer an explanation of some of the reasons why they occur. It needs to be recognized that the PSV sector provides an indispensable service to local commuters and is a critical component of the productive sectors of the economy of Barbados, transporting, as the records will show, a larger section of the work force daily than the Transport Board. They, however, perceive that they are being discriminated against, subjected to unfair competition and marginalized by the Government.

The playing field needs to be levelled and a more realistic approach to the pricing of transportation needs to be taken or conversely, the private owner should be subsidized at some level from the Government purse, if low cost public transportation is deemed to be an essential component of its social policy.

When the PSV operator does not have to fight tooth and nail and compete under adverse conditions for each passenger just to survive, is not subjected to blatant official discrimination and can earn a decent wage while working reasonable hours, then we can expect him to feel more a part of society and conform to its rules, rather than a pariah and behave as such.

The onus has been placed on the sector to be self regulating. This is extremely difficult, if not impossible, given current circumstances. The Association of Public Transport Operators, (APTO), the “regulating” body, is technically non functional and will continue to be non functional as long as it has no authority over those it is supposed to regulate. The Association at present has no capability to organize, regulate or discipline PSV owners or operators. It has no authority and no teeth. There are over four hundred PSV owners on record, but fewer than one hundred are members of APTO. If the goal of regulation of PSV’s is to be achieved, Government must give the Association the tools it needs to do the job. I suggest that this be accomplished by the following:

1) All owners, drivers and conductors must become members of the Association and carry valid accreditation.
2) The annual renewal of permits of owners should be made conditional on paid up membership of APTO.
3) Only members of the Association should qualify for the reduced diesel price being offered by Government at Transport Board depots.
4) Only members of the Association should qualify for any other concessions granted by Government.

In this way the Association will have the means whereby it could exert control over the sector and

1) Set and enforce a dress code for operators,
2) Establish standards of behaviour,
3) Establish a disciplinary committee to handle complaints,
4) Institute a program of training for operators and
5) Eliminate the loud playing of music.

The Association of Public Transport Operators can and should become a body working in co-operation with the new Transport Authority to regulate the operation of PSV’s. The Association needs to be in a financial position to establish a permanent office to enable it to carry out its administrative function in an organized manner and in particular to respond to concerns or complaints from the public. A subvention from Government for this purpose might be considered appropriate to supplement proposed membership fees.

Another circumstance which severely compromises the ability of the sector to control its employees is as follows. Insurance companies in Barbados insist that drivers of vehicles covered by their policies be interviewed and approved by them. They insist however, that to qualify, the applicant must have been the holder of a driver’s license for a minimum of five years and the holder of a hackney license for a minimum of three years. The effect of this stipulation is that no new drivers can enter the system. Owners therefore have no choice but to recycle drivers who have bad records or suspend the operation of their business if they can find no approved driver, an extremely unattractive option. The issuance of a hackney license to a driver by the Ministry of Transport and Works is meaningless if the insurance companies refuse to accept it and some accommodation needs to be arrived at with the insurance providers to change this no-win situation. I suggest that MTW conduct a meaningful course in the driving of PSV’s prior to issuing the license, thus assuring the insurance companies that the driver is qualified to drive a PSV.

There are some bad apples among the drivers and conductors and there are some owners who tolerate their irresponsible behaviour, mainly because they have little choice. The industry must be able to rely on the Police and the judicial system to control or remove these individuals. Owners cannot reasonably be blamed if the system allows drivers with large numbers of convictions for traffic offenses to continue to hold hackney licenses and operate PSV’s, and they need to be assured that the Court system will do its part in cleaning up this aspect of the industry. In the great majority of cases, fines imposed on offending operators by the Courts come indirectly out of the pockets of the owners, exacerbating their financial position.

The months since April this year have been particularly distressing for PSV owners. Before the removal of the Government subsidy, diesel cost $1.46 per litre, having arrived at this level by a series of increments over the years. Owners at that point had been unsuccessfully lobbying Government for an increase in fares or a reduction in other costs for several years. Then came the increase in the cost of diesel by 77% to $2.57, impacting even more disastrously on the bottom line of the sector. The recent reductions, while welcome, have gone little towards improving the finances of the sector. Since April several owners have been forced out of business because of an unsustainable level of losses.

The provision of free travel for school children in uniform by the Transport Board
from September this year is accepted as a positive development for which the
Government should be lauded. However, even at the fare of $1.00, revenue
formerly generated by the PSV sector from this source was important and its loss
has had an additional negative impact on profitability.

It is unreasonable to expect the privately owned PSV sector to absorb seventeen years of increases in operational costs without an increase in revenue. It is unfair not only to the owners, who for the most part are locked into the industry financially, but also to the workers, of which there are approximately one thousand, who have been unable over the years to earn an income with any reasonable relationship to the increasing cost of living. In my view, these circumstances are in large part responsible for the illegal and anti social behaviour that is the cause of current complaint against PSV operators.

It is also impractical to expect self regulation among such a disparate group of individuals who comprise the owners in the sector (over four hundred), in the absence of some formal organization with the power to regulate.

The sector, in view of all the circumstances outlined above, is appealing for a change in Government’s approach to its problems, relief from state imposed financial hardship and for empowerment with the tools to self regulate.


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  1. @ZR driver

    I not sure I understand your question. However every evening on my way home, children wait at the corner of School Gap
    for a ZR. I didn’t count the number of children singing but the driver didn’t care about the presence of the little children. For your information that song is mild in comparison with the really lewd ones which are sung by Little Rick. Those drivers are vagabonds fullstop.

  2. Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-'why should I wear a jacket and tie' Avatar
    Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-‘why should I wear a jacket and tie’

    PSCYHUNTRESS
    =========even the name reflects your tendency

    simplify it babe or you run the danger of not being paid any attention


  3. okay plain and simple everything is linked. even people who feel dem aint link up in de ting is part of it. dem just feel them so apart from it.
    and asiba…that i how i talk from time i did small i can try to simplify it as i did above. but it does not have have the same effect.

    and chuckles all i was doing and you accuse me of not reading your post but you obviously did not read mine carefully. I did say your points were valid. And I think i said that both at the beginning and end of each point that you made that I commented on. I simply was asking you to consider that you were making a blanket statement.
    Tell me would you get offended if someone said that women are golddiggers?
    I personally would cause the person is putting something on me that 1 person probably did in their life or in total a small of people.
    I was simply trying to get you to consider the fact that you may not be taking into account other factors that may be present.
    If ants are present in your house and you find one left over bread under ther table would you stop there instead of making sure that there weren’t other places in your house that may be attracting them?

    Asiba…i will take what u said into account from now on. It is hard to snap out of the psyc role when talking and as i said before. I talk like that in real life its not something i am putting on I have to put on the other thing in order to do it down. But dont worry…as long as i understand myself and God understands me that is all i ask…


  4. plus asiba…i frankly dont care what i learn in class not going to help me otherwise is it?

    chuckles- i am not trying to find excuses. If i were believe me nothing you say could provide an argument that could beat what i would provide. I agree some should shot. Actually alot should be shot and i would willing do it.
    Actually, no they should not be shot, they should have their testicles pulled apart and vibrated with the riddims they be listening to at the highest level. Then the alcohol they drink should be poured unto the wound.
    But i digress.

    I simply do not want anyone jumping down on an entire group because of the actions of a few(relatively) individual. Barbadians are notorious for this.
    Too blinking well hypersensitive.
    And who cares if I have children or not.
    Does having a child automatically make me a good parent and knowledgeable about every single living thing on the planet we call earth that has to do with children?
    I agreed with you. The music should not be played in the zr if its lewd, has in profanity, is graphic in other ways or condones certain practices.

    But I will tell you straight up cause I dont think you know. If you pass through alot of places and i dont only mean the “ghetto” areas only, pass through alot of places, and listen to the music being player in those houses. Not the ones being played from a radio station(that is a different story). The music being played from cds and mp3 and mp4s and on various devices and what not. Most of it is NOT going to be the radio edit. And you see children inside the houses while this is being played, sometimes right in front whatever is playing it. Or the music is up and the children are outside in the yard or in the road playing and the lyrics are clear as crystal.
    I going to say again, cause you keep missing this point.
    It should not be played on the radio in the zr. That is a public arena.
    However, what you going to do about when that child goes home and meets the music. Are you going to march in the person’s house and turn off the radio?
    Consider that blame can not be placed only in one place. The PSV operator got them part in the problem but Joe and Jane Public do too.
    And I am sick and tired of people not consider all possible angles.


  5. @Psych

    I believe the topic being discussed is
    ‘An In-depth And Riveting Analysis Of The Public Service Vehicle Sector (PSV) In Barbados’. If you want to start a new topic on the lack of morals in the household or the absence of parental guidance in the household, I will meet you half-way.Until then, I don’t think that we should be assuming that all the children or for that any of the children who hear the dirty lyrics on the ZR’s are exposed to such behaviour at home. I wonder what possible angles I could consider for a driver or conductor playing dirty lyrics.


  6. Okay.
    This will be my last comment on the subject.

    @Asiba. I simplified my comments and still wasn’t understood. Thank you for your guiding comments however.

    @Chuckles.
    Are you deliberately misunderstanding the point I am trying to get across?
    1. I never said that all of the children who hear the lyrics on the zr hear them at home. I simply asked what grounds do you have for passing the judgement you did without all of the background facts. You immediately placed total blame on one party.
    It is taught at many levels that when
    writing an argument you should consider the evidence that can be contrary to your particular in order to find ways to strengthen your argument.
    And while the topic is what it is, my comments were well in keeping with that topic as it was simply a addition of factors that contribute to the entire issue.
    And when I said all possible angles I meant concerning the issue meaning the general overall issue, not just the playing of inappropriate music.

    But I can see that you have a particular line of thought and a particular opinion concerning this topic and nothing short of probably a hand coming out of thin air and writing on a wall will do anything to change that. And that is your prerogative and I understand and respect that.
    So I respectfully bow out of this discussion. It has been indeed interesting to see yet again how people will continue to misunderstand the words I type and say. And I think it is indeed a sign that maybe I should keep my mouth shut instead of considering entering into any discourse in the future.
    I thank you profusely for being the catalyst for my realisation of such.


  7. PH,It’s not about simplification of comments. Some people are too simple to understand anything longer than one sentence except it is some sexual anecdote. Your comments are most analytical.

  8. busdriver/owner Avatar
    busdriver/owner

    @ chuckles i must ask you were these children inside the van singing or were they on the corner? it is a fact that children from primary school age have in their bags i pods, cell phones, discmans and mp4 players all of which carry the unedited versions of music that they hear on our local radio stations. they come on the vans bearing gifts of their personally compiled cds or those done by one of the local djs promoting some relative of theirs fete at which they and their friends will be in attendance. it is wrong for the operators to play music of this standard i agree but dont try to pin us as the destructor of society when the problem really starts in the homes of the children. the bible says bring up a child in the way he should go and when he grows old he shall not depart from it.scientist say by the time a child reaches age 6 he develops all the taits he will carry throughout life. but i guess psvs are running day care ceters too.

  9. Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-'why should I wear a jacket and tie' Avatar
    Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-‘why should I wear a jacket and tie’

    -Confusion reigns !!!


  10. ……but i guess psvs are running day care centers too.

    LOL!!

    True dat!!


  11. @busdriver/operator

    I believe I said that the filth was played on the ZR. I am sure that if you scroll down, you wouldn’t find anything from me apportioning blame for the destruction of society on PSV drivers/conductors. I stated facts. … No assumptions, no hypotheses. The Crew on six ZR’S servicing the Deacon’s Road Area, operate within the law. I gave you the names and numbers. You can check for yourself.


  12. Hi Elombe

    Hope you are the orignal Elombe. Man, you and I were taught English to the same level by Geoff Lebens. Wuh you trying to tell me bout understanding the language. lol


  13. Okay I thought that would be my last comment but apparently not.

    Let me just clear up a few details. And PRAY that no one misunderstands.

    All the points presented here are valid. Okay? Is that accepted?
    Good.
    However, there are points which are also valid that are NOT presented here.
    Okay? Is that also acceptable?
    Great.

    All that the comments made by PsycHuntress were supposed to do were to get one to consider that there were other points that were not being address but that were equally valid and important to this particular issue of the PSVs.

    @ Chuckles— For the final time I will say this. I agree with you. No problems there. I just think you are generalizing too much from one route. I found your statement about Michael Hiliarious- have no idea how that is relevant to the case, but then again it was found by the addressed person, that the comment made that ‘one can not put the problem with the music squarely and solely on the shoulders of the PSVs operators’ as irrelevant as well.
    And I was not assuming about any of the information provided concerning this issue.

    I reiterate my point- for the progress and facilitation of a healthy, vibrant and valid discussion one needs to consider all possible points…including the ones that may be contrary to your particular points…

    PsycHuntress has caused enough destruction…agreed?


  14. I am not the “original” Elombe. Henceforth I shall be Elombe2


  15. Hi Psyc

    Thanks for agreeing with me to some extent. I mentioned the Route 4
    scenario because I I know the operators
    very well. The bit on Michael was intended to be hilarious. lol. He does everything right except bathe at times.It might be anti-social but certainly not illegal .lol

  16. Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-'why should I wear a jacket and tie' Avatar
    Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-‘why should I wear a jacket and tie’

    PSYCHUNTRESS !

    We need your comments so do not refrain from commenting-Please !

    You can appreciate opposing views and that is important. Your exuberance is welcomed so I hope to see more from you.

    I give you an A+ for your contributions so dont feel no way.

  17. busdriver/owner Avatar
    busdriver/owner

    @chuckles do not misunderstand me i am not saying that lewd lyrics should be played on psv but to imply that they are learned on the psv by the children is not a fair statement. radio stations play these songs cutting out the explicits but children arent stupid they are taught to fill in the blanks at school and that is just that the do with these songs. why isnt anyone sending them to jail or making them pay big fines they affect more young people with their music than we do. furthermore we here in Barbados have artists in our local festivals singing songs which are puns to sexual explicitness but no one complains.

  18. busdriver/owner Avatar
    busdriver/owner

    by the way if we play gospel all day people will still find a way to call us (as chuckles elequently put it) “rats.”


  19. @busdriver/owner
    If you scroll up , you would observe that I sang praises of the decent law abiding drivers/conductors. The ones who play the dirty lyrics, smoke weed and drink alcohol while driving passengers, were refered to as rats.


  20. well well well i have read all of the comments and i have to agree with some of you first PH pleaseeeeee dont stop its good to have some one who can see both sides of the coin and be objective at the same time to asiba please continue to encourage PH Chuckles please read carefully and try to understand what i am posting in 1998 i was fortunate to be given a brand new toyota zr to work it was equipped with all the perks a new van comes with rims set everything when i started to work i felt that playing bob marley and that kind of music was the way to go so that is what i would play because the van was new the school kids wanted to catch the new van but they did not like the music i was playing so they gave me a tape to play it was the first time i ever heard lady saw in a song and the child that gave me the music was in first form at the school as a result of playing the music i was given my daily cash intake rose by 15 % in the first week and 40% by the fourth i was said to be the hard van on the route by the middle of the term i was driving 350 school children a day and 100 passengers and every week i would get a new tape to play would you condemend me and put me in that class of scundrels because of my actions


  21. @ZRD
    You would have to tell me who is Lady Saw. Were the lyrics smutty?

  22. Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-'why should I wear a jacket and tie' Avatar
    Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-‘why should I wear a jacket and tie’

    LADY SAW is the epitome of SMUT

    Saw her at the flour mill site some years ago
    -Left nuttin to the imagination Bro.


  23. @Asiba

    Thanks

    @ZRD, shame on you. You are lucky that you didn’t serve time at Glendairy . Wow!! Is that the level you sank to, in order to get 450 people per day on your vehicle? I hope you aren’t one of those people who calls the “Afternoon Delight’ program just to have fun on the air.

  24. Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-'why should I wear a jacket and tie' Avatar
    Asiba-The Buffalo Soldier-‘why should I wear a jacket and tie’

    LOL

  25. busdriver/owner Avatar
    busdriver/owner

    so then its ok to play lady saw on the radio and bring her here to perform but as long as a zr driver plays her its “go directly to jail do not pass go do not collect $200.” i think we should all (psv operators) quit our jobs some of us could rob people and others could sell drugs. after all you arent in the publics eye when doing those things those things seem to be the norm and the plus would be that the chances of being jailed for a month making a dishonest dollar is slim, unlike doing the opposite whilst working on a psv.

  26. busdriver/owner Avatar
    busdriver/owner

    i was recently informed that officials at the transport board stated that for hem to operate at a profit without acquiring further subsidies bus fares would have to be raised to $3.50 Obviously bus fares wont rise they will get increased subsidies. but then what about the small man dont you think he will have to do whatever it takes to stay alive. a drowning man will reach for a straw to help him survive but he will still drown. its about time a government throws us a jife jacket instead of more anchors.


  27. again people u are missing the point that tape was given to me by a first form child and i didnt even know of lady saw untill that time but a 11 year old child did and was listening to her again why are you blaming me i do not live with her nor are we related and the issue is not about the passengers but the fact that all those children caught the van after i started playing that music PH i also would like your input


  28. While I do accept the fact that a child had given it to you and was more knowledgeable in the law of smut than you were, you did pretty much hang yourself if you were hoping to put forward the idea that ya’ll not all bad. Makes it seem like money will always run out.

    However, I (not sure about the others they are of age and can speak for themselves) understand your points about money being an important factor that determines much of what persons in your field do, and that many persons may act particular ways when in that setting and not otherwise.

    I guess what Chuckles is trying to say is that the situation at home is bad enough and that particular kind of behaviour is helping to exacerbate that situation…. And while I’m not sure if that was their intention since(lol) they keep telling me the home life is for another forum.


  29. ps. only commenting anyhow cause I heard I was requested


  30. ZR

    You not suprising me with your confessions. One of your co-workers on my route can be seen daily hugging and kissing pre-teenagers. The driver warns him that he will soon be incarcerated. Psych, if ZR isn’t that bad, you would understand how rotten the others are.


  31. Chuckles lol. It was never said in any comments with my name on it that I for one second didn’t put some blame at them.
    I just resented some of the labels you put to the general group.

    And I think i understand more than you think about the zr culture- at least 2 of the three main stands are quite familiar to me and their respective routes and many of the drivers and etc etc.

    And in response you the pre-teenager thing…Perhaps the job(driver or conductor) attracts mainly people who already have a particular type of behaviour and perhaps even particular types of personality.
    Plus, the job certainly puts them in situations that facilitate easy access to several things and that may be a drawing factor as well.

    I agree many are rotten…but they are also alot that are not that are being overshadowed by the overt expressions of group that is of, but not representative of the entire population.


  32. Psych

    Think your final paragraph brings closure to the our dialogue and the general discussion. Now we move on to another topic. Hope to see you there.


  33. as a school child i get the muisce of my computer frist before i get on the zr van


  34. well well!! all i can say is if u stop the muisc of the van it well not stop we from hearin it cause as fa me i hear it on de computer,@ home n went i go out so as all children so it do not stop asssssssssss


  35. who says that we stop the music from off the van–just the lyrics depending on their vulgarity of the contents


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