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Talk Show Host Tony Marshall
Talk Show Host Tony Marshall

It is no secret that BU has been strident on the issue of the haphazard approach Barbados has approached the management of our immigration policy. It became a big concern under the last administration. The new government has informed Barbadians that a Cabinet sub-committee is currently drafting policy guidelines that will see rolling-out a ‘managed immigration policy’.

This week we listened with interest to Member of Parliament James Paul who expressed concern that the social fabric of our society is under threat. He gave the example that he is aware that Barbadian families are ‘taking in’ illegal and legal immigrants who were recruited to ‘work the land’. He defined the threat as the social fallout that is likely to occur to the traditional Bajan family.

Here is an interesting perspective from fellow blogger who runs Pull Push blog. Amit is  a Barbadian of Indian heritage and is peculiarly positioned to give a unique perspective.

It was interesting to listen to VOB Talk Show Tony Marshall attacking the issue of illegal immigration in Barbados. He expressed what the BU family has known and warned for a long time. In recent years little Barbados has open its borders to allow a gush of immigrants, illegal and legal from Guyana, Jamaica, China, Eastern Europe and elsewhere. Sometime ago we highlighted the the Italian restaurant on the West Coast known to have recruited waiters with visitor status. The issuance of work permits under the former administration were issued without rhyme or reason. We understand that since Minister Maxine McClean has taken over the responsibility it has become a little harder to get a work permit.

The point to our blog is to raise the query whether Voice of Barbados (VOB92.9) has departed from its policy of stiffling national debate on the issue of illegal immigration in Barbados. Moderator Tony Marshall seems to have picked-up a head wind on the issue, let us see how far his boat is allowed to sail.



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128 responses to “The Problem That Will Not Go Away”


  1. This is a bit like having a debate with a boomerang…

    No sentience, but it just keeps coming back…


  2. @ John…..

    When all is said and done, we are arguing the same point from different perspective and I respect your outlook you have described in your last post.
    I. on the other hand, am not as passive when it comes to the issue of racism.
    You remind me of the little boy running naked in the wind without a care in the world. It is good that you can live without seeing the issues around you.

    Now I am going to be a bit harsh on you to make a point ok. No disrespect intended but I have to ask this…

    Are you white or black?


  3. Anonymous // November 10, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Negroman,
    does it count that James Blades is in a serious relationship with a Black woman? Probably not … she is probably an anti black black
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    I notice the jungle fever with Blades, Bizzy and that lot known for their anti black stances and mouthings. Blades disallows his workers from joining union. Bizzy says blacks looking for handouts. We are not fooled.


  4. @ Micro Mock Engineer,

    “The problem with engineers is their tendency to complicate some matters that could otherwise be quite simple” (Bush Tea just now)…
    (If you want to quote Shakespeare – wuh I can quote too…. )

    How you mean, “…there is no conflict between free will and predestination”? MME, these concepts are mutually exclusive.
    With predestination, this would mean that –as you put it, ‘the events in and around our lives are preprogrammed” while with free will, we write the events in and around our lives second by second- by our own free choices and actions – interacting with established spiritual and physical laws.

    As usual, you are right however about the co-existence of both concepts in Phase 1. However not to confuse us regular mortals, it needs to be pointed out that the two apply to different players.

    Let me use the example of my man ‘Lowdown’ again.
    Suppose Lowdown decided to set up a new farm with 100 goats. He collects the stock on January 1, and decides to send 6 of them to market every month-end. In the interim, the goats are free to enjoy the freedom of the farm; to graze; sleep, eat -as they wish. After some time, he decides that he will sell all the goats on December 31 and go into another area of farming.

    There is an aspect of predestination, in that Lowdown has the power to decide on the start, end time, and major aspects of the farm project like which 6 goes to market at month end. However, within the limits of the time and space of the farm project, goats have complete freedom to organize and order their own lives and activities. Predestination at this level would mean that every action and every second of each goat’s life was preordained.

    Somewhat like Relativity, it encourages lazy or ‘wutless’ goats to justify their situation as a case of ‘it is what was to be anyway, so why try to improve?”

    Shakespeare wrote lots of pretty words, but we should not mistake his rhyme for reason…


  5. That is a shocker.James Blades in a relationship with a black woman.I know James Blades,his father & sisters & mothers for many years.That whole lot hate black people with a passion.Not one black person could have gone into Coconut Court Hotel unless that black person was a worker.I remember when James Blades racially abused some black boys at Kentucky in Hastings and got the thrashing of his life.He nearly died from a collapse lung.I am not going to pass judgment on the lady but she could be an anti black black .
    Bizzy Williams wife Shelly is in a relationship that is pure torture.Bizzy former wife has made sure that Shelly never inherit anything from Bizzy ‘s business interest.She does not attend functions with Bizzy because Bizzy friends & business associates tell him in no uncertain manner do not bring that lady around them.I want anyone to come and deny that.Shelly is only Bizzy plaything.


  6. Technician

    I have done enough prying into family histories to say I am neither white nor black.

    The best I can do at the moment is to say I aspire to being a human, …. but its tough!!

    If I go by one of our historian’s definition of being black, ie all four grandparents black, I would say I am not black,

    … if only because at least one of their sixteen grandparents I have been able to trace far enough back in the history of Barbados to England

    …. or …. at least I think so!!

    So I find it simpler to stick with the more certain human thing …..

    …. and forget the colour thing.


  7. @ John……

    Geez man, ya playin’ wid words pun ma now…

    My reason for asking is that we all know how it is in reality,whether we admit to it or not.
    A white or fair skinned person will always have a different outlook than a black person.
    Fortunately, people like us can look past this and move on. I, for one, would never forget the horrors of slavery but I refuse to walk around with a chip on my shoulder . I am aware of racism, however subtle and trust me, I deal with it right there and then.
    I wish I could forget the color thing and be as comfortable as you but we live in a cruel world and I see the evil ones from afar, therefore I have to call them out when I see them.
    Anyway, like I have said before …we may very well be arguing the same point from different views so here is where I suggest that we agree to disagree.
    Hope we have more of the same type of discussion on other issues on this interesting blog.
    Have a good one. Peace.


  8. NegroMan; Nov.10th; 6.30 P.M
    When I read that story in today’s nation, I said guyana has finally been established in Barbados. Yes, It will get worse, the suicides, the indo-guyanese murders will increase. You talk about white nightclubs, wait till the upscale indo-guyanese entrench themselves. Within the next 2 years in this country, we will see an indo-guyanese nightclub similar to the old Hollywood nightclub in guyana open its doors. Then you would see racism at its worse.


  9. Technician

    I, for one, would never forget the horrors of slavery but I refuse to walk around with a chip on my shoulder
    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    How do you remember a horror you never experienced?

    I have Jewish Ancestors, none that I know of who went through the holocaust but no doubt some who may have faced pogroms in the past.

    I am aware of what happened in the holocaust.

    I am aware of what a pogrom was.

    I have read alot but I would not say I will always remember the horrors because I never experienced them.

    I also have African ancestors and have read what I can find. I am aware of my origins.

    I also have ancestors who were English, Portuguese, Spanish, possibly Amerindian and heaven knows what else.

    You ever read about the disaster that befell the Amerindians when Europeans and Africans came to the New World?

    I haven’t done the dna thing yet as I planned to but I suspect I will find alot I didn’t know about myself.

    To deny any of these origins would be to dishonour my ancestors, ….. and hence myself.

    … so I lean more to the description of “human” when I think of myself and I try to avoid terms related to skin colour.

    Ten generations ago there were 1024 persons alive who contributed to the making of me.

    Any one of them who didn’t do what they did ….. I would not exist. So I kinda like to avoid leaving out any of them!!


  10. Something not right about this murder.

    Just too abnormal and horrible.

    It is too simplistic to blame it on indo guyanese.

    Hopefully the authorities solve this one and don’t hesitate to ask for outside help if they need it.


  11. We want to caution the BU family to tread very carefully on this business of accusing a set of people about this murder. We will not hesitate to use our judgement.

    If a BU family member has information about this crime please give it to the Police!

  12. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    LOL Bush tea. As usual, you make a compelling case… original quotes and all. I am now most certainly on very thin ice here, but will continue…

    I accept after re-reading my post, that I did fall short by not acknowledging that the co-existence of free will and predestination, as you put it, ‘apply to different players’.

    On the issue of free will and predestination being mutually exclusive… this does seem logical, and may be a ‘relative’ truth (from MMEs’ perspective within the boundaries of the physical world), but I don’t think it is an ‘absolute’ truth. I am not sure how best to articulate the concept (maybe because I have it all wrong LOL), but here are two observations:
    1) The fundamental difference between the Lowdown/Goat relationship and the BBE/MME relationship, is that Lowdown and his goats have a common Creator i.e. he is not omnipotent, no matter what his goats ‘think’ LOL… don’t fall into the relativist trap.
    2) BBE has perfect foreknowledge (i.e. 20/20 foresight), and knows every detail of all future events. As a logical consequence, these events are ‘predestined’ (as distinct from physically ’caused’). BBE is not bound by time… past, present and future are meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

    … oh oh, I’ve got to go… I think my medication is wearing off. 🙂


  13. I will not comment on the recent murder anymore.All I would say is that murder has serious & I say very serious implications on the immigration issue.I believe that case will be the one that will break the Camel’s back.


  14. Gosh!
    Tony ‘Bowells’ Marshall is one strange looking person. Is he well?


  15. I have not blamed anyone for any murder at all I am JUST asking why is it that when a little ‘black nobody’ asks questions persons decide that we are racist and we want to point the finger at people. Is it because we have a mind of our own. If Barbadians are involved or indians or any damn body they should be brought to justice full stop. However, I am saying it is not in our nature to be so heartless! I don’t like it something is not right about that crime something just is not right! I dont like what I am hearing through the grape vine if anyone hears anything please let us know! I have been hearing lots of things that is why I have asked a question!


  16. The Scout
    Yes indeed the indian sub-culture has arrive in Barbados and Scout we are seeing & feeling the effects .I have so much information on the activities of the scums Indo-Guyanese that it is becoming scary.Those Indo-Guyanese are introducing some new types of criminal activities that are unheard of in Barbados.I am telling you all it is scary.I would advise Barbadians especially us who are critical of Guyanese in Barbados to be extremely careful.Do not divulge much information about yourselves.Things are getting desperate.
    I would love to give the fellow bloggers the inside scoop on that particular murder.All I would say Indo-Guyanese,Black-Guyanese,construction of a house at Collymore Rock & a confrontation between black & Indo-Guyanese.
    This government has finally recognise the magnitude of the problem we are facing as a result of the unregulated influx of immigrants into Barbados.A special meeting was held today with some members the business community & other interest group to update them on government position on the immigration isssue and the its plan of action.
    Corrupt immigration officers,Customs officers Police officers & Senior Security officers at the airport the days of facilitating the process of getting work permits,permanent residency & citizenship for non-nationals especially Indo-Guyanese are coming to an end.
    Those Immigration,Custom,Police & Senior Security officers who arrange marriages and are marry to Indo-Guyanese women and who allowed them to receive status in Barbados the government know about the scam and measures are underway to curtail that activity.The days of getting quick & easy permanent status & citizenship are over.
    This country must be preserve for the future generations of black Barbadians.I could say with great confidence that this government is working on this immigration issue & are determine not to allow this country to fall to the level of a Trinidad or Guyana.


  17. Problem Child,
    What is so strange looking about Tony Marshall? We can’t be all Prince Charmings, like you.
    I am very attracted to him. I just love his voice and intelligence. I would marry him tomorrow if only he would propose. I find him very irresistible.
    He’s quite charming, to me, for his age.
    Leave him for me please, please.I luvs he bad bad. (smooches for Tony).
    How ya likes ma?


  18. Wait the Immigration czar Gilbert Greaves gone? Heard his name on news as PS in another section of army of occupation. Who replace him Negroman?


  19. In today’s Nation it is said that a man is “helping” Police with investigations into the death of Anna Druzhinina, 16.

    Hopefully this is a good sign and progress is being made.


  20. A woman Anon her name is Ms. Farmer! ha ha ha lol


  21. He is now the PS at the Attorney General’s Office!


  22. Who is doinf most of the kidnapping in T&T? Who is killing each other and committing suicides in Guyana? Which country is next in line? Negro Man, it is at this point that I take my exit from this topic. In futher, I would read the posts just for my own interest. The horse has bolted, it is time to seek pretection, therefore self-preservation is now my main focus. Look after yourself my man, time for warnings have pass.


  23. The Scout
    I understand your feelings & concerns. I am taking your warning to protect myself & family.Danger is upon us.
    As JC indicated Gilbert Greaves is not the Chief Immigration Officer anymore .He was the chief culprit in the leniency that was shown toward illegal immigrants especially Indo-Guyanese.His departure is in keeping with government’s committment to control the illegal immigration issue.Purging of the immigration,Customs,& Security departments at the airport is well underway.The immigartion,Customs & Security officers at the airport who facilitated status for illegal immigrants are being purge from those departments.The government knows of the bribery that many of those officers were involved in.The case of the immigration officer marrying an Indo-Guyanese woman and the easy granting of citizenship to that individual & her entire family including grand parents,nieces,nephews and the lot is well known
    Scout I agreed we have dealt with this subject very extensively and I was very critical of this government performance.However,my brother you could rest assure our efforts have not fallen on deaf ears and even though all illegals will not be deported and some will escape through the cracks, the holes in our immigration system are being plug and the free for all that existed under the last administration those days are gone.


  24. Strange though,Gilbert Greaves use to be a good Chief Immigration officer sometime ago,but I don’t know what happened to him as of late under the BLP.

    The reality though is that I glad this situation is going to be managed & hopefully the DLP can keep it up.I tip my hat to the new Chief immigration officer,Minister of Immigration & Prime Minister.

    The usual mal-aligned forces of Norman Faria & Rickey Singh are at it however.There really is no case for PERMANENT immigration no matter the excuse,bajans have had enough.
    http://www.nationnews.com/editorial/319514333502529.php


  25. We really need someone to have a quiet word with Norman & Rickey.


  26. […] months ago David – at Barbados Underground – and a few concerned bloggers brought to public notice the issue of immigration in Barbados; as […]


  27. I was hoping things had changed in Barbados. I was aware of Robin of Banana Boat and Carlisle Club fame, he invited folk from the tourist trade but tried to keep other local persons away, which was a shame for the tourists too as to visit Barbados is much nicer when mixing with local people and getting to know real Barbados. Shamefully I imagine as long as there are humans in the world some of them will be unable to accept differences in others, it happens with the rich and poor too , sad when you think we were all little babies once, innocent until corrupted by our parents and elders.

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