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The United States, where some of Wall Street’s biggest financial names have collapsed in recent weeks, rated only 40, just behind Germany at 39, and smaller states such as Barbados, Estonia and even Namibia, in southern Africa – Source: Reuters.com

 

These are troubling times for small developing countries. We could stretch this observation to refer to all economies. The world’s largest economy has gone into a meltdown and it has taken the other major economies of the world with it. The Stock Markets have predictably reacted to the bleak outlook of the major economies by spiraling in an unprecedented manner.

Although we have not read it in the local media many Financial Analysts are debating whether the world is witnessing the demise of the free market system as we know it. The capitalists have been saying that the problem ailing the USA should have been allowed to correct itself by letting the market bear the cost. Others believe that the greed by the free marketers which was allowed to go unchecked by authorities made government intervention inevitable.

Whichever camp we belong, we know that the meltdown has precipitated a global economic crisis of immense proportion.

The BU household remains bewildered at how toxic assets purchased by the US Treasury can be packaged and sold to a revitalized financial market. Astoundingly the US Treasury expects that if their projections ring true they will be able to make a profit on this deal!

The BU family has become use to reading references to the endgame by some commenters. The video Money A Debt submitted by family member Green Monkey provides an interesting glimpse into the unbridled supply of money and how it has morphed to a burgeoning debt which the endgamers believe is the precursor to the destruction the value of money. Here is an article by Charles Eisenstein which details in riveting fashion how the world’s powerful countries have been printing new money at a rate much faster than they have been creating goods and services. The author suggests that this is an unsustainable position which has led to the frenzied response the world is currently witnessing.

The article is very long but very interesting and we urge the BU family to have a read. It is the kind of alternative world view which you will not see in the local media.


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82 responses to “The Destruction Of Money”


  1. And we just sign an EPA


  2. We in the PDC will soon have for public consumption and free of cost to recipients – a very important CD that will deal with how – under a future PDC Government – there will NO LONGER be the importation of the “prices” of Goods and Services of other countries into Barbados, but just the importation of the actual Goods and Services into Barbados.

    Indeed, such a fundamental approach to the management of the country’s import/distribution affairs – has NOT ONLY been designed to better serve the fundamental national strategic interests of Barbados – BUT ALSO has been designed to make sure that the COSTS of ALL FINAL Goods and Services to ALL FINAL consumers in Barbados will at anytime be drastically lowered in this country.

    Also, such an approach shall be implemented to help greatly prevent persons in Barbados that otherwise might believe that it is favourable for Barbados to continue importing the “unworthy prices” of foreign Goods and Services into this so-called economy, and that it is favourable therefore for us to absorb these “unworthy prices” that happen to reflect the results of far greater and more complex production and distribution processes in USA, Germany, Japan etc., more than the ones in this country – to help greatly prevent such persons from falsely misthinking that Barbados is but an extension – which is really NOT – of, say, the USA, German and Japanese economies.

    Finally, by way of the fact that this CD will be dealing with ways and means of a future PDC Government drastically reducing the cost of living and the costs of doing business in this country, it will be clear – in this CD – that there is one particular method that shall help substantially to achieve the goal of drastically reducing the cost of FINAL Goods and Services to the FINAL consumers in Barbados; the goal of drastically reducing the overall costs of Business operations; and the goal of stopping the importation of “prices” of Goods and Services of other countries coming into Barbados, will be that of ensuring the establishment of a regime that makes sure that ALL IMPORTS OF GOODS AND SERVICES INTO BARBADOS ARE ZERO-“PRICED” AT ALL POINTS OF ENTRY.

    PDC


  3. Correction: fourth line going down, last paragraph – such must read: “that the one particular method”….. NOT – “that there is one particular method”

    PDC


  4. Ever heard of the Amero? Don’t worry with the gloom and doom talk. This is a plan. Financial markets collapse all the time. Afterall, it is about paper; so what makes this one so special?


  5. “Although we have not read it in the local media many Financial Analysts are debating whether the world is witnessing the demise of the free market system as we know it.”

    What on earth makes you think that, capatalism is working fine and doing what it should do. America is not competitive as has not been for along time, while still maintaining a very expensive lifestyle. Same can be said for several european countries, to a lesser degree.

    Alot of people have suggested ‘capatalism is not working’, but I thing both you and they confuse it with ‘I am not doing well in the capatalist system’

    –There is a world of difference in the two.

  6. on-wings-of-song Avatar
    on-wings-of-song

    There are two incontrovertible facts that need to be remembered.

    One is: there is no perfect system.

    The other: CHANGE is an immutable Law of the Universe.

    It is with the second that Bajans (particularly) have a problem. We tend to want to go on with the same ole, same ole.

    Yesterday we signed the EPA and there have been warnings by the Minister of Foreign Trade and International Business, Chris Sinckler that it cannot be ‘business as usual.’

    All of us need to sit up and take notice otherwise we are lost in the sauce.

  7. on-wings-of-song Avatar
    on-wings-of-song

    omgdidisaythat // October 16, 2008 at 5:13 am said “America is not competitive as has not been for along time.”

    Americans, like everybody else, want to go down the street and pay a dollar for everything…. from a T Shirt to a hamburger.

    People like Lou Dobbs on CNN constantly bemoan the relocation of American businesses from the USA to places like China and the Far East.

    It’s only by shifting to some place where there is low production costs that Americans can pay a dollar for a hat. You cant have it both ways… if US businesses are to thrive on US soil, Americans will have to be prepared to pay more for what they buy. Right now it seems they don’t want to do that.

    So???


  8. Asian stocks tumbled Thursday, with Tokyo market plunging 11 per cent – the biggest one day loss since 1987 – after another dive on Wall Street and worst-than-expected data on the US economy heightened fears of a global recession.

    Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso blamed the renewed drop in markets on an “insufficient” US bank bail plan totaling US $ 700 billion.

    “Since it was insufficient, the market is again falling sharply”, Aso told law makers at the upper house budget committeee in parliament. He did NOT elaborate.

    Toyko benchmark Nikkei 225 index average slid a staggering 1089.o2 points, 0r 11. 41 per cent, to close at 8458.45, marking the biggest one day percentage drop since the stock market crash in October 1987.

    Hong Kong’s key index lost 1212.7 points, 0r 7.6 per cent, to 1478.6. South Korea’s Kospi was down 8.4 per cent, Australia’s benchmark was off almost 7 per cent, and Singapore’s index lost about 6 per cent.

    Investors were unnerved by US data showing the country’s retail sales fell 1.2 per cent in September, almost double the 0.7 per cent decline analysts expected – clear evidence that consumer spending, which accounts for more than two thirds of US economic activity, was weakening.

    That was followed by more bearish data, from the US Federal Reserve, that the economy continued to slow in the early fall as financial and credit market problems took a turn for the worse.

    The Preceding extracts were taken from an updated AP news story – titled: World stocks tumble after Wall Street sell off, on MSNBC.COM, on October 16, 2008.

    Meanwhile, as the so-called Barbados economy goes deeper and deeper into recession, we in the PDC must keep on – as a national duty – letting the country know that personal and institutional debt and corporate operating losses are among the principal reasons why many local conditions and structures are responsible for recessions that happen in Barbados. But, ya know, this and more important information will be contained in a very important CD to be soon published by our party and given free of cost to recipients.

    Such a CD shall deal with the fact that Barbados does NOT have to go through boom and bust experiences, contrary to much of the foolishness that has long been found in economic orthodoxy – but that once accumulated personal and institutional debt and corporate losses are systematically helped removed by a future PDC Government from the social, political, material and financial landscape of this country – that there will be seen a very sustained period of national growth and development take place in this country on the basis of money being made accessible at rates far quicker and cheaper than are done now in Barbados, and money being made to circulate within every corner of the country at a rate far quicker than the accustomed rate in Barbados. Such monies would, of course, be primarily accessed from the core financial system, and would be entirely based on viable production/productivity plans.

    Finally, that is why a future PDC Government shall make sure, et al, that INSTITUTIONAL LOANS FOR PRODUCTIVE PURPOSES ARE MADE NON-REPAYABLE; THAT INTEREST RATES ARE ABOLISHED, AND THAT TAXATION IS ABOLISHED.

    PDC


  9. on-wings-of-song:

    There are several ways you can have your cake and eat it. None of them are paticularly nice.

    *A proper empire

    *An aggresive facist state; probably would need to include mexico and canada.

    The People’s Democratic Congress :

    Sounds good, but to make loans in this way, you really need to make sure that the vast majority of products are going to work and bring extra wealth. Failure in this regard will lead to rapid inflation and destituition for your nation.

    I am all in favour of this idea. But it also has at least as many dangers as the current fractional reserve system of lending. But all in all PDC on the basis of what you have said so far, you would have my vote.

    I think in the grander scheme of what you suggest no small nation can such a thing on it’s own. Perhaps only Russia, USA, Canada who have alot of resources could manage this.


  10. …where is Micro Mock Engineer when I need him?

    Come on MME, time to prostrate thyself and apologize for doubting the Bush tea’s end game timetable…. remember????

    “…starting in a year and worsening significantly over the following years???”
    (refer to 2007 Bushtea ‘isms….)

    hope you cashed in those stocks….

    ..here comes phase 2…


  11. IMHO… If anyone *really* wants to understand where we find ourselves, I would encourage you to read Terry Pratchett’s latest Disc World Novel “Making Money”.

    Everything is explained therein.

  12. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    LOL BT…

    … surely you jest.

    You en see all de bargain basement prices and undervalued stock there for the taking? This is a value investors dream.

    I will never understand how rational people celebrate when their favorite food or beverage drops in price (e.g. beer at happy hour), but complain when the price of ownership in a business drops. No BT… this is not end game, its happy hour 🙂

    I am tempted to start up on that misleading ‘money as debt’ documentary, but will pass on that for now.


  13. Yes, this certainly is no ‘isolated’ economic meltdown, as the opening statement reads:

    “The world’s largest economy has gone into meltdown and it has taken the MAJOR ECONOMIES of the world with it.” emphasis added.

    Also, “…many financial analysts are debating whether the world is witnessing the DEMISE of the FREE MARKET system as we know it.” emphasis added.

    And the correct term is ‘End-times’ not ‘endgames’ this is far too serious a global matter to be referred to as ‘endgames’ it is from the Greek word, ‘eskhatos’ ‘Last-days’ or ‘End’times, eschatology is, therefore, the study of the ‘End-times.”

    Regarding this very complex matter of the economic meltdown in the States, and the inevitable consequences it will have for ‘all’ other nations, is no joking matter. Here are just a few of the comments made over many, many years ago, relating to the ‘financial’ monster called ‘Banks’ and other related instititions that have long being in control of the ‘peoples’ money and business.

    “Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with a flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you remain the SLAVES of bankers and pay the cost of your own SLAVERY, let them continue to create money” (Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England (appointed in 1928) reputed to be the 2nd wealthiest man in England at the time.”

    Further on this, Professor. Carroll Quingley, asserts:

    “Their secret is that they have annexed from governments, monarchies, and republics the power to create the world’s money on debt-terms requiring tribute both in principle and interest.” Late Gerogetown historian.

    The evil, wicked system of ‘Banking’ Central Banks, and other related institutioins has been going on for the past three hundred years, beginning in Europe with the Rothschild dynasty, eventually taking root in a serious way, in the United States, when the ‘Federal Reserve Act’ of 1913 was passed into law by congress, thereby legally putting the ‘Banking’ cartel and by extension the entire economy into the hands of a ‘few’ men, who have caused all of the ‘bust’ and ‘booms’ of the US stock market from that time, to this very day, including the present ‘crisis.’

    Even before the creation of the ‘Federal Reserve’ which is NOT ‘federal’ in any way, this was just a ‘smokescreen’ to operate under this guise, to fool the people that it was a government controlled agency, one of the most devastatings ‘lies’ fostered upon working class Americans.

    Listen to what President Abraham Lincoln, had to say, in almost a prophetic sense, concerning this ‘monster’ way back in his day:

    “I see in the near future a CRISIS approaching that unnerves me and causes me to TREMBLE for the safety of my country. Coporations have been enthroned, and era of CORRUPTION will follow, and the ‘money power’ of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, unti the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and THE REPUBLIC DESTROYED.” (President Abraham Lincoln). emphasis added.

    A number of other Presidents of the States, saw what was coming up ahead, and gave stern and compelling warnings regarding this, evil, monster, the Banking Cartel.

    But in vain were their insight, ignored. Here is what the President who was responsible for approving the Federal Reserve Act, had to say, after the fact:

    “Despite these warnings, in 1913 President Wilson approved the Federal Reserve Act concentrating control of America’s money in the few men who dominate these privately owned banks. A few years later, (Wilson) reflected:

    “I am a UNHAPPY MAN. I have unwittingly RUINED my country. A Great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of A FEW MEN. We have come to be one of the WORST ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world – no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and DURESS of a SMALL GROUP of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson- emphasis added.

    This is just a very brief look at the utter reality of what started many long years ago; this present economic meltdown is not by chance, it is all part of an evil, wicked, ‘World-Order’ plan, to usher in the One World Government, this is NO conspiracy theory, all the facts and evidence are there, from way back; but, we the ‘citizens’ of the world, are not suppose to know this, so the PR spin doctors, most of whom are ‘ignorant’ to the true agenda, just give the public a dose of what they need to hear.


  14. Carlos, while I do not say you are incorrect, and have a dislike of fractional reserve banking myself, your suggestions are arguments show a distinct lack of understanding about what banks actually do; how money works and why we have these problems. These are very interesting times where it may even come to pass that all debt are written off, which wouldn’t be very good news for the banks or their desire to rule the world.

    I have no doubt that people in power wish to remain that way, that their are many corrupt politicians , businessman and bankers, bt that does not mean there is a group of people bent on world domination and making us all slaves.

    I would respectfully suggest you spend time reading economics, history and philosophy rather than Alex Jones – fun as he is.


  15. Evolution of the Apocalypse
    Empire’s Demise- Human Renaissance

    By Carol Brouillet

    The unraveling of the US and global financial system should not be a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention, doubted the news headlines over the past decade, or plunged into an odyssey of self- and world-discovery by reading books, studying history, or seeking the truth behind the cultural myths that cocoon Americans into the notion that they live in the world’s beacon of democracy and freedom. The most surprising factor is that people who have created the crisis think that they can continue the scam by stealing another $850,000,000,000 overtly through the bailout, and even larger amounts covertly, to keep the game going for the world’s wealthiest people at the expense of everyone else.

    In the past, Egypt, Babylon, Persia, and Rome fell when a small percentage of the population controlled nearly all of the wealth.(2) Today, the rich have never been richer nor the poor poorer. The concentration of wealth has been achieved by conquest, as well as by one of the most powerful tools of empire—money.

    Debt-based monetary systems are the building blocks of empires, and generally empires collapse or topple when they have destroyed their ecological base. The current global empire severely threatens the forests, the oceans, the climate, the fertility of the soil, the aquifers, the bees, and innumerable other species, including humanity.

    SNIP

    Kings, queens, and nations have succumbed to the power of those who lend them money, finance their wars, pay their armed forces—and own the means of communication, which either provide rulers their aura of legitimacy or can just as easily demonize and dethrone them.

    Over a hundred years ago, the populist movement in the United States rose up in the wake of the collapse of agricultural prices that threatened farmers and enriched bankers. The farmers pushed for monetary reform, including the demand that dollars be backed by silver rather than gold. The populists also argued that money should be created by the government for the benefit of the people, rather than by banks for the benefit of the bankers.

    In 1890 the German economist Silvio Gesell formulated a theory of money that was as revolutionary as the notion that the earth circles the sun, rather than the other way around—despite appearances. Gesell suggested securing the money flow by making money a governmental service subject to a use fee. Instead of paying interest to those who have more money than they need, people would pay a small fee if they kept money out of circulation. The fee would serve as income to the government and would reduce the amount of taxes needed to carry out public tasks.

    Gesell’s ideas were tested by the mayor of Worgl, Austria, in 1932 when economic conditions were deplorable. The mayor proposed to substitute a local currency for the national currency—which he called “work certificates.” On the first of every month the holder had to affix a 1 percent stamp of the face value of the certificate. The “taxes” went into the community chest, to provide a relief fund for the invalids or elderly who were unable to work. Because of the stamp tax, taxes were paid quickly, accounts were settled without the usual delays, and even the bank became eager to loan out money, as fast as it received it.

    The mayor then embarked upon a public works program “to alleviate want, give work and bread,” which exceeded his highest hopes. The conditions of the streets of Worgl had been a standing joke to the people in the surrounding countryside. In less than four months, sewers and improvements were completed. Later, other streets were paved, and even streets outside of Worgl were repaired. Prosperity blossomed throughout Worgl.

    Inspired by Worgl’s success, a meeting of 200 Austrian mayors decided unanimously to follow the Worgl example in their impoverished communities. At this point, fearful of losing its power, the private Austrian National Bank protested against the shattering of its money-making monopoly. After a legal fight, the Austrian Supreme Court sided with the bank, as might be expected. Although this experiment was abruptly terminated in Austria, the Worgl experience inspired three or four hundred scrips in circulation in the United States, Canada, and Mexico during the Great Depression.(6)

    SNIP

    In the film “Who’s Counting? Marilyn Waring on Sex, Lies and Global Economics,” Marilyn unravels many of the problems in the global system. The IMF and the World Bank were created to maintain certain power relations and exercise control over the world’s resources. The U.N. System of National Accounts was based upon a pamphlet entitled “How to Pay for the War.” That system, imposed upon every country that joins the U.N., enables the global elite to finance their militaries, to engage in conflicts with other nations, and to build internal security forces to control populations who might not agree with the expropriation of their country’s resources.

    The system assumes that the unpaid work of women—who are bearing children, raising them, feeding them, carrying for the sick and aged, and maintaining a home or garden—is of little or no importance. Nor does the system recognize the value of forests or the natural world unless they can be chopped down and sold or monetized in some way. Monetary transactions are measured, no matter how devastating their effects are on the environment. The arms industry is the most lucrative of all industries. It is in the economic interest of the major powers that there always be a war going on somewhere. This pathological system does not recognize the inherent value of life, peace, or the earth itself. It does not even notice anything of unquantifiable value; it only sees that which it measures—money.(10)

    Maximizing profits is the primary value in modern economics. The economic measure of monetary flow is directly related to the rape of the earth, the amount of exploitation occurring within a country, and how effectively the world’s parasites are expropriating the labor of others and the natural world.

    SNIP

    Henry Paulson asked for and received over $700 billion in taxpayer money with little or no oversight as to who will actually get the money. It is clear that it won’t be going to Main Street, and it is more than likely to go to Paulson’s Wall Street and foreign friends.

    Ohio Representative Marcy Kaptur spoke out bravely against the bill, explaining precisely how it was being rushed through Congress(31) , and Dennis Kucinich condemned it as well. Their token resistance was swept aside, even as Representative Brad Sherman pointed out the fear mongering and panic pressure placed on Congress to push it through.(32) The fear that was generated by insiders and the media, as well as some token pork, helped to get the bill passed on Friday, October 3, 2008. Democrats, Republicans, and both presidential hopefuls were behind the bailout.

    Amongst Obama’s advisers are Franklin Raines, who was a chairman and chief executive officer at Fannie Mae; and Tim Howard, who was the chief financial officer of Fannie Mae; and Jim Johnson, who was an executive at Lehman Brothers and later forced from his position as Fannie Mae CEO. Howard was forced to retire when auditing discovered severe irregularities in Fannie Mae’s accounting activities. The books ran afoul of generally accepted accounting principles for four years, and Fannie Mae had to reduce its surplus by $9 billion. The Government filed suit against Raines and Howard when the scandal became clear(33). The court ordered Raines to return $50 million he received in bonuses based on the misstated Fannie Mae profits. The government investigation determined that “Chief Financial Officer Tim Howard failed to provide adequate oversight to key control and reporting functions within Fannie Mae.” Raines and Howard resigned under pressure in late 2004. Howard’s golden parachute was estimated at $20 million. Raines left with a “golden parachute valued at $240 million in benefits. A look at the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s May 2006 report on mismanagement and corruption inside Fannie Mae reveals that Fannie Mae had hidden a substantial amount of Johnson’s 1998 compensation from the public, reporting that it was between $6 million and $7 million when it fact it was $21 million.” Johnson is currently under investigation for taking illegal loans from Countrywide while serving as CEO of Fannie Mae. Johnson’s Golden Parachute was estimated at $28 Million.(34)

    Any close scrutiny of the financial ties of major politicians—particularly those in office such as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Pelosi, and Feinstein—reveal major conflicts of interest between the politicians and the military, oil, and pharmaceutical industries. At the highest levels, however, there is no accountability. Laws are meaningless to these people. They have the power and influence to pass murderous legislation that enriches and empowers them and their cronies and threatens and impoverishes the rest of us, all of this veiled by a subservient corporate press that bestows upon them an aura of legitimacy. Within government agencies there is corruption, fraud, and the persecution—rather than protection—of whistle-blowers.

    When Congress voted $87 billion to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq, some of that money was earmarked to suppress dissent in the US. In 2003, thousands of protestors gathered in Miami to oppose the negotiations of the Free Trade Area of the Americas. Pre-emptive arrests, violent violation of civil rights, brutal treatment of innocent medics, and criminalization of dissent became known as “the Miami model.” The militarization of the police and Homeland Security’s targeting of anti-war and peace activists have continued and expanded since then—as seen most recently in the protests at the Democratic and Republican Conventions where even the regular press was arrested, and organizers were arrested and charged with “terrorism.”

    There is a battle going on—a clash of worldviews over what is true, legal, and moral; over who is a terrorist, and who is serving humanity; over who has the right to live, and who has the right or duty to jail, kill, or torture anyone. Every individual will have to decide for themselves what is true and what is legitimate—what is best for themselves, their families, their country, and the whole planet.

    http://www.911blogger.com/node/18173


  16. To : omgdidisaythat

    From: The People’s Democratic Congress (PDC)

    Dear Sir,

    First, Thanks that you would give us your vote and that you are in favour of our non-repayable productive loans system ideology. Too, do look out for our very important CD that deals with very important material production and distribution and financial matters, and that is soon to be published. If you have NOT as yet done it, you can visit our website http://www.somassfreedem.org, to have a look at our Pre-election Manifesto 2006, and analyse our NO TAXATION principles; our NO INTEREST RATES PRINCIPLES, NON-REPAYABLE LOAN PRINCIPLES, and more.

    Secondly, we in PDC do NOT subscribe to the notion of inflation, simply because it does NOT exist. It is a very baseless, unfathomable and unreal concept. As a matter of fact, the inflation bogeyman has been used by some so-called economists and politicians over the years in BARBADOS to unnecessarily help control the real social, political, financial and consumer behaviour of the masses and middle classes of people in the country.

    For instance, it has been sometimes used by those same people and more as a basis for wickedly reducing the very crucial money supply that is so necessary for the survival and development of those social categories of people in the country. With that kind of oppressive and loathsome behaviour, there is no other reason other than for us to seriously object to the notion of inflation. However, what we strongly believe in as a notion and fact of life is the cost of living in the country, which is so realistic that it sometimes ultimately determines what PART of your INCOME you will spend or NOT, invest or NOT, save or NOT. It is real, although some of the academic attempts to measure for it leaves a lot to be desired.

    Where this non-repayable productive loans system ideology is concerned, such an ideology itself is based on idea of productive exchanges – meaning then that you would ONLY qualify to access it if you have previously productively earned income/s in a given year or years, and in that case the fact that you will NOT repay will be based on the fact itself that you would be being – at the time of successfully qualifying – rewarded for your total contribution/s to national income/output (which would be a real incentive to re/produce more in later times) for having earlier contributed that previous year/s income via the extent of the loans granted by the institutions, will surely mean that with it being far cheaper for individuals and businesses to import and trade and invest and compete more locally – because TAXATION WILL ALSO BE ABOLISHED, INTEREST RATES ABOLISHED TOO, IMPORTS ZERO-“PRICED” AT ALL POINTS OF ENTRY – hence the cost of living/doing business must tend downwards – must mean that there will be seen unprecedented high levels of real output, investment, incomes, expenditures, exports for the country, with these kinds of sytems put in place by a PDC Government.

    Finally, Omgdidisaythat, such a system would NOT be like the fractional reserve system of lending from the point of view that – under this sytem -you will ONLY be lent money for PRODUCTIVE PURPOSES based on your TOTAL income previously earned at a given point in time in the past. At the end of the day, there will be enough money/value in the core financial system to cover for the total personal, corporate, business and government incomes made in any one given national income year, so there will be NEVER ANY need to artificially create money/credit in this system.


  17. The above article was NOT complete because for some reason it was unintentionally sent. Thus, it was NOT properly reviewed and properly structured. But, any how that is that, and, yes, it some times happens with our computer system here at one of PDC’s administrative centres.

    Nevertheless, an insertion: second last paragraph, line eleven (11) counting down – insert “which” between “,” and “will”.

    Carlos, Excellent peek into some of the philosophies and theories underpinning some of the evil motives and machinations in much present-day global power politics and international relations re the sinister role that some notorious people and institutions and organizations within the Western banking and financial system have been playing in this so-called American, and, by extension, global meltdown.

    PDC


  18. Omgdidsaythat,

    Thanks for your advice, re what I should read, but, I’m already familiar with what is really necessary through ‘history’ and philosophy, and I DON’T read Alex Jones, not interested!

    The Great Depression 1929-1939 that ranks second only to the Civil War, was the gravest crisis in American history.

    Only what is now transpiring in this present ‘meltdown’ will far exceed either of those two historic catastrophic series of events, as a number of other ‘World’ bodies, IMF, World Bank, the UN, WTO, etc, etc., are now all well placed and positioned, to subtly introduced and gradually bring into effect, what has been planned way back from the end of World War II, whose devious, evil intentions, are to erase all sovereignty of democratic states, bringing them under the ‘New World Order’ One World Government.

    As Prof. Carroll Quigley, late Georgetown historian, correctly said:

    “The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and a use of that power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups.

    The powers of financial capitalism had (a) far reaching (plan), nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in PRIVATE hands, able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole.

    This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences.

    The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a PRIVATE bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations.

    Each central bank…sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foriegn exhanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.”

    “He (Carroll Quigley) was one of the last great macro-historians who traced the developments of civilization…with an awesome capability.” – Dr. Peter F. Krogh, dean of the School of Foreign Service (Georgetown)”

    My friend, this whole sinister, evil, world-wide banking and economic monster is far worst than you obviously realise and understand.

    Nobel Laureate in economics, Milton Freidman, in his “A Monetary History of the United States,” which he coauthored with Anna J. Schwartz, Freidman lays the megacastrophe of the Great Depression (1929-39) squarely at the feat of the Federal Reserve.

    Ironically, what the ‘Fed’ was supposed to prevent, by its very creation, was what it caused.

    Maybe, like many others, you think this is just one man’s opinion, and that maybe the ‘Fed’ didn’t cause the Depression – or that experts have differing opinions, or that maybe we’ll never really know.

    Well, lets hear what none other than the new chairman of the Federal Reserve, Ben S. Bernanke, had to say at the 90th birthday celebration of Milton Friedman, at a Nov 8, 2002, conference to honor Friedman. Bernanke, then a Federal Reserve governor, gave a speech at Friedman’s old home base, the University of Chicago. Here’s what Bernanke, the man who now runs the Fed – and thus one of the most powerful men in the world, had to say that day:

    “I can think of no greater honor than being invited to speak on the occasion of Milton Friedman’s ninetieth birthday. Among economic scholars, Friedman has no peer…”

    Bernanke concluding remarks were:

    “Let me end by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You’re RIGHT, WE DID IT. We’re very sorry. But thanks to you, we won’t do it again.” Really!!!

    David Kupelian, in his article “The Fed Caused the Great Depression’ says:

    “Indeed, the Fed’s sins go way beyond the Depression. ‘Since the creation of the Federal Reserve, middle and working-class Americans have been victimized by a boom-and-bust monetary policy,’ charges U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, the congressman best known for his steadfast commitment to the U.S. Constitution.”

    “From the Great Depression, to the stagflation of the seventies, to the burst of the dotcom bubble” in 2001, said Paul, “every economic downturn suffered by the country over the last 80 years can be traced to Federal Reserve policy.”

    As Kupelian goes on to point out:

    Although today the governors of the Federal Reserve are literally the gods of the nation’s money supply and financial policy, in previous eras of American history, leaders warned specifically against an unaccountable, unelected central bank.”

    “I sincerely believe…that banking establishments are more dangerous than STANDING ARMIES, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale .” President Thomas Jefferson.

    “Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none have been more effective than that which deludes them with paper money.” Daniel Webster.

    “Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce.” James A. Garfield.

    “Money power denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.” William Jennings Bryan.

    “Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to RUIN commerce, OPPRESS the honest, and open the door to every species of FRAUD and INJUSTICE.” President George Washington, in a letter to J. Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan 9, 1878.

    Perhaps President Andrew, called it right, when he said:

    “You are a DEN OF VIPERS and THIEVES. I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out.”

    -Andrew Jackson, to a delegation of bankers, discussing the Bank Renewal Bill, 1832.

    “With the exception only of the period of the gold standard, practically all governments of history have used their exclusive power to issue money to DEFRAUD and PLUNDER the people.”
    -Friedrich A. Hayek (1899-1992), Austrian economist, author and 1974 Nobel Prize-winner for ecomomics.

    Omgdidsaythat, that’s just scratching a bit of what great minds of the not too distant past, had to say about Bankers, and how this wicked system has literally enslaved the masses in all countries, under the guise of so-called freedom and liberty.

    I respectfully say to you, that you obviously do not understand the other, and ‘true’ side to this universal story.


  19. Carlos: Thank you for your reply. I apologise for the Alex Jones jibe.

    I can agree with you completely on the federal reserve, it is useless to normal man, but very useful to the banks. I do not beleive in the concept of lender of last resort. That will always be you and me, and I don’t know about you but last time I checked, I was not a bank.

    The federal reserve was simply to protect banks and sold to America as a form of protecting the economy.

    Banks lending money to governments go back hundreds of years, it is nothing new, and was a traditional way for a king to raise money for war.

    I equally do not support fractional reserve banking, that is why The Peoples Democratic Congress’ proposition is interesting.

    I am afraid I cannot really subscribe to the Austrian school of economics, it is, quite obviously full of some of the most stupid and intellectually redundant ideas mankind has ever witnessed.

    I still cannot see how you deduce that there is a secret group who masterminding everything and about to take control of the world. I really need more evidence than a few quotes.

    I do not doubt that the central banks made the situation much worse in the great depression as again they have done now. But that is a normal behaviour for business.

    If you have some evidence of this grand scheme to rule the world, please let me know. If not, I respect your opinion and do not claim it is wrong, just a point of view I will not be able to call my own.

    PDC: I will read your manifest today. Thank you for the link


  20. Article posted on the “Scientific American” magazine web site:

    The Economist Has No Clothes

    Unscientific assumptions in economic theory are undermining efforts to solve environmental problems

    By Robert Nadeau

    The 19th-century creators of neoclassical economics—the theory that now serves as the basis for coordinating activities in the global market system—are credited with transforming their field into a scientific discipline. But what is not widely known is that these now legendary economists—William Stanley Jevons, Léon Walras, Maria Edgeworth and Vilfredo Pareto—developed their theories by adapting equations from 19th-century physics that eventually became obsolete. Unfortunately, it is clear that neoclassical economics has also become outdated. The theory is based on unscientific assumptions that are hindering the implementation of viable economic solutions for global warming and other menacing environmental problems.

    The physical theory that the creators of neoclassical economics used as a template was conceived in response to the inability of Newtonian physics to account for the phenomena of heat, light and electricity. In 1847 German physicist Hermann von Helmholtz formulated the conservation of energy principle and postulated the existence of a field of conserved energy that fills all space and unifies these phenomena. Later in the century James Maxwell, Ludwig Boltzmann and other physicists devised better explanations for electromagnetism and thermodynamics, but in the meantime, the economists had borrowed and altered Helmholtz’s equations.

    The strategy the economists used was as simple as it was absurd—they substituted economic variables for physical ones. Utility (a measure of economic well-being) took the place of energy; the sum of utility and expenditure replaced potential and kinetic energy. A number of well-known mathematicians and physicists told the economists that there was absolutely no basis for making these substitutions. But the economists ignored such criticisms and proceeded to claim that they had transformed their field of study into a rigorously mathematical scientific discipline.

    Strangely enough, the origins of neoclassical economics in mid-19th century physics were forgotten. Subsequent generations of mainstream economists accepted the claim that this theory is scientific. These curious developments explain why the mathematical theories used by mainstream economists are predicated on the following unscientific assumptions:

    Continued at:
    http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-economist-has-no-clothes

    (To read the full article requires payment of a fee, however the synopsis is available for free at the above link)


  21. GreenMonkey, it’s stuff like that which causes problems, economics is not and never will be a science. It cannont possibly be.

    I am begining to think this should be lifes work, fighting economists.


  22. A radio broadcast on KPFA’s Guns and Butter program:

    Dr. Michael Hudson on “The Bailouts New Financial Oligarchy.”

    audio link: http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=28908

    Quote @ 4:55: “….Essentially, the treasury bailout plan passed by Congress was a screw the investor plan. It said banks do not have to mark their securities to market, that they can use Enron style accounting to tell people that they’re worth whatever they want to be worth, and foreigners and investors have realized that the banking system and Wall Street are run by crooks.”


  23. To: omgdidisaythat and carlos

    From: The People’s Democratic Congress (PDC)

    This non-repayable productive loans system ideology is based on the fact that since we the people in Barbados are – collectively historically – NOT individually – the owners of the Barbadian money/supply of this country, (WE) MUST NEVER CONTINUE IN THIS HIGHLY ABOMINABLE SITUATION OF BEING MADE OR FORCED BY THE FINANCIAL LAWS AND AGREEMENTS IN THIS COUNTRY TO REPAY THAT WHICH IS REALLY OURS. By being made or forced by financial laws and agreements in this country to repay money/value which is OURS, is tantamount to our being subject to some of the vilest kinds of political exploitation and degradation any where thought of by psychological and financial means.

    So, to achieve greater freedom and democracy away from those kinds of evil oppressive situations, we must begin to assert our rights in whatever LEGITIMATE ways against these kinds of laws and agreements that entirely help to dehumanize us.

    Also, this non-repayable productive loans system ideology deals with individuals and corporate entities including the state – being made to access this money/value in the core financial system (commercial banks, credit unions, finance houses, etc). Hence, in the context of this core financial system, this money/value that will be accessed, will be money/value that is unused or underused money/value stock, for that given period of time.

    Such a situation will overturn the overall process whereby – in terms of the state – which historically horrifically has been evilly stealing money/value from individuals and other entities in Barbados that is entirely productive – it – the state – will NO longer be seen to be STEALING (TAXING) money/value that has come through very vital productive means.

    This strategy of the state/government making use of this non-repayable productive loans system, will be one of the strategies employed by the state/government to help it sustain itself, financially speaking, in view of the fact that a PDC Government shall ABOLISH ALL TAXATION.

    Also, too, since under a PDC Government there will be the Abolition of Interest Rates, many of those esp. elite persons in Barbados who now earn interest on their bank and credit union accounts for ABSOLUTELY DOING NOTHING, will NOT be able to use income otherwise got through interest as a basis for accessing these non-repayable productive loans, since such a system shall be dealing with ONLY PRODUCTIVE INCOMES EARNED PREVIOUSLY OR TO BE EARNED LATER.

    PDC


  24. Green Monkey, its stuff like that which causes problems, economics is NOT and NEVER will be a science. It CANNOT possibly be. (Our capitalizing for emphasis).

    I am beginning to think this should be life’s work, fighting economists.

    Brilliantly said, omgdidisaythat!!!

    Economics is among the most wicked and barbarous ideologies/diciplines ever introduced to this world. Therefore, it is so clear why it would have been introduced by some Eurocentrics eoans ago – to totally continually help dehumanize some other Europeans and other human beings on this earth.

    Why it continues to be taught in some of our schools and tertiary academic institutions shows the ABSOLUTE LACK of critical thinking on the part of our so-called leaders, like former Prime Minister, Mr Owen Arthur, former Parliamentary Representatives for St. Michael North West and St. Philip South, Mr. Clyde Mascoll and Mr. Anthony Wood, respectively – so called economists – local stooges for elite Europeans. What a great shame!!!

    PDC


  25. PDC, I tried to access your site today to download the manifesto, but it was off line, please let me know when it will be back up. Thank you.


  26. We have been following the conversation-have to admit it is above our heads a little, please clarify this for us:

    If Economics is a discipline/body of concepts created to manage our finite and scare resources: how would you replace economics?


  27. Hi David, I do not suggest we replace economics, just reside it to the status of an accountant or book keeper, Not various schools of thought that profer matematical models that they would superimpose on human existence.

    Sometimes we do not understand our own actions, let alone able to model them. But of course, economists think they know better.


  28. Omgdidsaythat,

    Thanks for your reply, and apparent sincere interest in wanting to know more of the evidence and facts behind the plots and plans for the ‘One World Government.’

    “I still cannot see how you deduce that there is a secret group who masterminds everything and about to take control of the world. I really need more evidence than a few quotes.”

    My friend, the preponderance of evidence overwhemlingly support this reality, confirming exactly what the Bible states will happen in this ‘End-time era, age, generation.

    I will cite a few references from Dr. Grant Jeffrey’s book, “Surveillance Society, The Rise of Antichrist.”

    However, let me state clearly, that like Jeffrey, I have an deep and abiding conviction that the Bible is God’s Word. Our ‘faith’ is not some blind, irrational belief, but, rather, is based on rational, objective, reasonable evidence and facts, that support our faith.

    In his acknowledgments, Jeffrey states:

    “This book is the result of over thirty-five years of research involving thousands of books, articles, interviews with experts in intelligence, military surveillance, and study of Scriptures…As this book demonstrates, while these trends are dangerous, our faith and hope for the future is grounded upon a strong conviction in the promise of Jesus Christ: “And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh” (Luke 21:28).

    As Jeffrey goes on to assert:

    “This book will examine the rapid development of a powerful world government that is eroding our national sovereignty and our cherished democratic values…Step by step, in the name of globalization and the demand of various United Nations’ agencies to harmonize our laws with other nations, our national sovereignty is being eroded…These new leaders no longer believe in the patriotic love of their sovereign nation; they have adopted a philosophy of globalism and share the desire to become citizens of the world.”

    Setting the Stage for World Government.

    We cannot begin to grasp nor undersrand the reality behind this thrust for ‘World Government’ unless we first look at the propositional, prophetic, declaration from God’s prophets, as Jeffrey correctly writes:

    “Thousands of years ago the prophets Daniel and John foretold that a world government, led by the Antichrist, would seize global power in the last days” (Daniel 7:14).

    “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him” (Revelation 13: 7-8).

    Before you become upset, because of the Biblical pronouncement of this ‘end-time’ reality, let us always remember, that ‘Reason is necessary for revelation to be coherent.’

    Jeffrey then goes on to build his arguments from facts and evidence.

    “Despite the rise and fall of countless empires throughout history, there has never been a true world government. However, as we begin the new millennium, the elite are moving behind the scenes to create one. The rising power of the United Nations, the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, the World trade Organization, and the World Court are moving us quickly beyond the days of national sovereignty and politically independent nations.”

    The Report of the Commission on Global Governance.

    “In 1991, a meeting of elite globalists in Stockkholm, Sweden produced a manifesto entitled ‘Common Responsibility in the 1990s: The Stockholm Initiative on Global Security and Governance.
    Many world leaders, including Dr. Boutros Boutros-Ghali (appointed as Secretary General of the United Nations in 1992), endorsed this key planning document for the coming world government. Another report entitled ‘Our Global Neighborhood, The Report of the Commission on Global Governance’ by an independent group of 28 global leaders, describes both the philosophy and the strategy to replace the present situation of fragmented and uncoordinated national governments with a ‘True World Government.’

    Again, Jeffrey points out:

    “The powerful Democratic Senator, Alan Cranston, from California, was at one time the President of United World Federalists. Cranston declared, “I believe deeply in the need for world law…I believe in the concept of federalism on the world scale.” However, Senator Cranston also realized they could only achieve their goals of world government by stealt, rather than through open debate and democracy. In an interview to ‘Transition magazine, published by the Institute For World Order, senator Cranston admitted, “The more we talk about world government, the less chance of achieving it, because it frightens people who would accept the concept of world laws.”

    There has been, and currently is a vast net-work, of many interlocking bodies, working assiduously behind the scenes in order to prepare the necessary conditions that they hope will usher in this ‘One World Government.’

    The Trilateral Commission.

    On this, Jeffrey confirms:

    “The Council on Foreign relations was established following World War I in an attempt by the elite groups controlloing financial and political life in the United States to make sure that the future foreign policy of America followed their interest. With more than two thousand current members they commissioned studies, networked their people into the State Department, and built relationships with similiar one world government groups in Britain and Europe.”

    “There is an interlocking membership involving key players of the Trilateral Commission (TC), the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), international banking and manufacturing corporations, high military positions, powerful State Department diplomats, and White Hoise cabinet officials. Very few people make it into the inner circles of true power in washington unless they have first served as members of the CFR or the Trilateral Commission.”

    This is no joking matter, as Jeffrey continues:

    “The Council on Foreign Relations is committed to the elimination of existing national boundaries, and the merging of all nation states into a powerful world government. Members of the CFR and their globalist allies in other key nations have shaped the economic, foreign, and defense policies of the United States of America, Britain, france, Canada, Japan, and Germany for the last fifty years. The move towards a New World Order is no accident. Every single move has been meticulously planned by these scret groups. It’s time to wake up and realize where they are taking our nations, our democratic rights, and our freedoms. The purpose of the Trilateral Commssion and the Council on Foreign Relations is to quietly infiltrate the decision-making bodies of government, education, business, the military, and the media, to consiously influence the key leaders to adopt the globlist philosophy of the ‘New World Order.’ the whole process depends on networking at the most sophisticated level.”

    It makes no difference who is controlling the White House administration, be it Republicans or the Democrats, as Jeffrey again correctly states: “…the true power that rules America is concentrated in the hands of the several thousand individuals from every key area of American society who have been nominated to join this globlist elite.”

    But, “There is a third secretive globalist group that is centered in Europe. It has now attracted elite members from every key nation on earth. It is by far the most secretive of the private international councils working to achieve world government. It is known as the Bilderbergers. In the early 1950s the political and financial leadership of the war-torn Europe gathered at the Hotel de Bilderberg in Oosterbeek, Holland, to create the essential plans and relationships to unify the nations of Europe for the first time since the days of Rome. During the last five decades they have held top-secret meetings totally closed to the press. Although they are publicly known as the Bilderbergers, the members call their group ‘The Alliance.” there are strict rules of censorship against members ever discussing plans and policies outside their secret meetings.”

    This is but a brief look into the reality of what the elite globalists have been planning for decades, to bring all nation states under ‘One World Government.’

    I will conclude here for now, by citing Jeffrey again, as this element, is central to the financial ‘meltdown’ presently in process.

    “A key element in this strategy is their plan to ‘financially’ bankrupt the international machine. Nations will be encouraged to turn to the IMF and the World Bank for a financial bailout, but under the condition that borrowers must abandon their national sovereignty. The IMF and the World Bank are aware that a worldwide FINANCIAL COLLAPSE is the key event that will allow them to seize control of the nation’s currencies and economies in preparation for global governance.”

    Isn’t it interesting that Jeffrey wrote this book in 2000, and exactly what he has put forth then, is now unfolding before us all. When we by contextual analysis, put all of this together with what I quoted in an earlier thread regarding what some Presidents from the distant past, said about this evil ‘financial’ and banking cartel, plus the Word of God, the Bible, specifically declaring ‘The Rise of an Antichrist World Government’, all I can say, is let those who have eyes to see, use them, and your ears as well, as the reality of this ‘End-time’ catastrophe simply cannot be denied logically nor coherently in light of the evidence.

    However, I wish this were not so, but God’s Word said it would happen.


  29. omgdidisaythat your suggestion is shocking!

    How could you attempt to debunk the perception by Caribbean electorates that the Economists are the only ones equip to manage our finance ministries/economies.

    @Micro Mock Engineer

    Your comment has whipped-up our curiosity. We hope that when you are in the mood you may care to elaborate on our misgivings on the video:-).


  30. Carlos, that you for your reply and frank explanation of your position, I will try and get hold of a copy of Surveillance Society – After reading that I feel I would be able to comment.

    I must confess that even before reading it I am a little sceptical, for example the bilderberg group as I understand it are very secretive and the contents of their meetings never divulged. So it seems difficult to ever make a comment on that group other than to say it is suspicious that a large group of the most powerful people in the world meet and and other than the fact of the event, it is never reported.
    I will read the book though.

    David: I would never presume to tell the carribean electorate anything. It is not my place.

    I am always happy to discuss and debate with anyone though 🙂


  31. Omgdidsaythat,

    I will check tomorrow and see if a few books stores I know still have Surveillance Society, will let you know.


  32. Omgdidsaythat,

    Regarding the Bilderberger group, don’t for a moment let their secretive MO prevent you from objectively looking at all of the other vast amount of collective infomation out there, which Jeffrey does a great job of bringing together, as there are also many other secretive operations within ‘all’ of the other groups as well, they just feed us cleaverly disguised pieces of PR for the consumption of the general public, to hopefully keep the masses in a state of ignorance; and by masses, I’m not only referring to the ordinary man, but even intellectuals and academics are also deceived.

    Remember, that no lie or deception, can gain any momentum unless it is first presented, couched and veneered in some degree of plausable truth.


  33. The Money Masters – How International Bankers Gained Control of America

    “The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole…Their secret is that they have annexed from governments, monarchies, and republics the power to create the world’s money…” THE MONEY MASTERS is a 3 1/2 hour non-fiction, historical documentary that traces the origins of the political power structure that rules our nation and the world today. The modern political power structure has its roots in the hidden manipulation and accumulation of gold and other forms of money. The development of fractional reserve banking practices in the 17th century brought to a cunning sophistication the secret techniques initially used by goldsmiths fraudulently to accumulate wealth. With the formation of the privately-owned Bank of England in 1694, the yoke of economic slavery to a privately-owned “central” bank was first forced upon the backs of an entire nation, not removed but only made heavier with the passing of the three centuries to our day.

    Watch it here:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

  34. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    By the way BT…

    … you see who they put in charge of that 700 billion bailout plan? Check out de fella education and background…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neel_Kashkari

    … looks like in all of this confusion they might have gotten at least one decision right. 🙂

    @David… my main issue with the video link you posted and the latest one by Green Monkey is that they impute a sinister plot by bankers to usher in some sort of evil ‘one world government’. The evidence to support claims like this is so weak and the level of deductive reasoning so poor, that I often wonder if the real conspirators aren’t the producers and authors of this type of material trying to distract people from real issues. We can debate the pros and cons of the fractional reserve banking system, but it is not part of any grand conspiracy for world domination… it is an imperfect man-made system… like all the other banking and financial systems that exist or have existed. The REAL economic issue we should b concerned about (and that ironically Straight Talk seems to get, despite making some other misdiagnoses and prescribing the wrong medicine) is almost entirely related to our attitude and approach to the supply and conversion of energy sources… this is what drives our economy. Money is simply the lubricant in the economic engine (market) that allows us to efficiently combine human innovation (oxygen) with energy sources (diesel) to produce useful work… and fractional reserve banking is arguably THE most effective lubrication system invented to date. It is unlikely that the we would have made the type of progress experienced over the past century with any of the other banking systems and theories that exist. I expect there will be disagreement over what is considered real progress… but I won’t rehash that age-old argument.

  35. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “With the formation of the privately-owned Bank of England in 1694, the yoke of economic slavery to a privately-owned “central” bank was first forced upon the backs of an entire nation, not removed but only made heavier with the passing of the three centuries to our day.”
    ——————-

    GM… tell that to these ‘non-banker’ modern day slaves: Warren Bufet, Carlos Slim Helu, Bill Gates, Lakshmi Mittal, Mukesh Ambani, Rihanna. The first five are the wealthiest five individuals in the world. The last one is not doing too bad herself.


  36. GM… tell that to these ‘non-banker’ modern day slaves: Warren Bufet, Carlos Slim Helu, Bill Gates, Lakshmi Mittal, Mukesh Ambani, Rihanna. The first five are the wealthiest five individuals in the world. The last one is doing too bad herself.

    MME, for an engineer you like you can’t count too good. How many Rihana’s and Bill Gates are there in this world compared to the number of peons just barely eking out a living. In the wake of this current economic and financial fiasco, let’s watch and see in the coming months and years how many new Rihannas and Bill Gates get created compared to the number of new subsistence-level peons and serfs which get created.

    People, I can only advise you watch the videos and read the material and then watch and observe what is going on in the world around you. Observe the shoving aside of the Congressional role in US government (acting as a counterbalance to the presidency) and the consolidation of power in the executive branch along with the dismantlement of constitutional rights for US citizens (all done under the guise of fighting “terrorism”).

    Notice the Orwellian, 1984 like, big-brother surveillance society that is being implemented now in the Western industrialized societies and will be filtering down to us here eventually as well.

    Maybe some people like MME won’t wake up until they jook a needle in his arm to install the RFID chip we’ll all need to exist in the brave new world of that fabulous New World Order we have been promised is on the way. Or maybe even then the cognitive dissonance will be too much for MME to bear and he’ll really believe it when he is told,”We’re from the government, and the RFID chip we just put in your arm that contains all your banking records, tax records, Visa and Master Card information, medical history, employment history etc. is only there to help you and make life easier for you. It will be so much more convenient since no one has the bother of carrying around cash, cheques or credit cards any more.” (Never mind that if you step out of line we can turn it off in a micro second and leave you a non-person, unable to pay for a can of corned beef at Super Centre, a tank of gas for your car, or even your medical prescription renewals.)

    Paranoid shift
    By Michael Hasty

    Online Journal Contributing Writer

    Jan 10, 2004, 20:33

    Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of “freedom” and “democracy.“ They really only wanted “absolute power.”

    Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit “sixty of Allen Dulles’ closest friends” to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again “in hell.”

    The transformation of James Jesus Angleton from an enthusiastic, Ivy League cold warrior, to a bitter old man, is an extreme example of a phenomenon I call a “paranoid shift.” I recognize the phenomenon, because something similar happened to me.

    Although I don’t remember ever meeting James Jesus Angleton, I worked at the CIA myself as a low-level clerk as a teenager in the ‘60s. This was at the same time I was beginning to question the government’s actions in Vietnam. In fact, my personal “paranoid shift” probably began with the disillusionment I felt when I realized that the story of American foreign policy was, at the very least, more complicated and darker than I had hitherto been led to believe.

    But for most of the next 30 years, even though I was a radical, I nevertheless held faith in the basic integrity of a system where power ultimately resided in the people, and whereby if enough people got together and voted, real and fundamental change could happen.

    What constitutes my personal paranoid shift is that I no longer believe this to be necessarily true.

    In his book, “Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower,” William Blum warns of how the media will make anything that smacks of “conspiracy theory” an immediate “object of ridicule.” This prevents the media from ever having to investigate the many strange interconnections among the ruling class — for example, the relationship between the boards of directors of media giants, and the energy, banking and defense industries. These unmentionable topics are usually treated with what Blum calls “the media’s most effective tool — silence.” But in case somebody’s asking questions, all you have to do is say, “conspiracy theory,” and any allegation instantly becomes too frivolous to merit serious attention.

    SNIP

    Why is it so hard to believe serious people who have repeatedly warned us that powerful ruling elites are out to dominate “the masses?” Did we think Dwight Eisenhower was exaggerating when he warned of the extreme “danger” to democracy of “the military industrial complex?” Was Barry Goldwater just being a quaint old-fashioned John Bircher when he said that the Trilateral Commission was “David Rockefeller’s latest scheme to take over the world, by taking over the government of the United States?” Were Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt or Joseph Kennedy just being class traitors when they talked about a small group of wealthy elites who operate as a hidden government behind the government? Especially after he died so mysteriously, why shouldn’t we believe the late CIA Director William Colby, who bragged about how the CIA “owns everyone of any major significance in the major media?”

    Why can’t we believe James Jesus Angleton — a man staring eternal judgment in the face — when he says that the founders of the Cold War national security state were only interested in “absolute power?” Especially when the descendant of a very good friend of Allen Dulles now holds power in the White House.

    SNIP

    But as a paranoid, I’m ready to join the resistance. And the main reason is I no longer think that the “conspiracy” is much of a “theory.”

    That the US House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that the murder of John Fitzgerald Kennedy was “probably” the result of “a conspiracy,” and that 70 percent of Americans agree with this conclusion, is not a “theory.” It’s fact.

    That the Bay of Pigs fiasco, “Operation Zapata,” was organized by members of Skull and Bones, the ghoulish and powerful secret society at Yale University whose membership also included Prescott, George Herbert Walker and George W Bush; that two of the ships that carried the Cuban counterrevolutionaries to their appointment with absurdity were named the “Barbara” and the “Houston” — George HW Bush’s city of residence at the time — and that the oil company Bush owned, then operating in the Caribbean area, was named “Zapata,” is not “theory.” It’s fact.

    That George Bush was the CIA director who kept the names of what were estimated to be hundreds of American journalists, considered to be CIA “assets,” from the Church Committee, the US Senate Intelligence Committe chaired by Senator Frank Church that investigated the CIA in the 1970s; that a 1971 University of Michigan study concluded that, in America, the more TV you watched, the less you knew; and that a recent survey by international scholars found that Americans were the most “ignorant” of world affairs out of all the populations they studied, is not a “theory.” It’s fact.

    That the Council on Foreign Relations has a history of influence on official US government foreign policy; that the protection of US supplies of Middle East oil has been a central element of American foreign policy since the Second World War; and that global oil production has been in decline since its peak year, 2000, is not “theory.” It’s fact.

    That, in the early 1970s, the newly-formed Trilateral Commission published a report which recommended that, in order for “globalization” to succeed, American manufacturing jobs had to be exported, and American wages had to decline, which is exactly what happened over the next three decades; and that, during that same period, the richest one percent of Americans doubled their share of the national wealth, is not “theory.” It’s fact.

    That, beyond their quasi-public role as agents of the US Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve Banks are profit-making corporations, whose beneficiaries include some of America’s wealthiest families; and that the United States has a virtual controlling interest in the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the World Trade Organization, the three dominant global financial institutions, is not a “theory.” It’s fact.

    That — whether it’s heroin from Southeast Asia in the ‘60s and ‘70s, or cocaine from Central America and heroin from Afghanistan in the ‘80s, or cocaine from Colombia in the ‘90s, or heroin from Afghanistan today — no major CIA covert operation has ever lacked a drug smuggling component, and that the CIA has hired Nazis, fascists, drug dealers, arms smugglers, mass murderers, perverts, sadists, terrorists and the Mafia, is not “theory.” It’s fact.

    Continued at:
    http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_203.shtml

  37. Sir Bentwood Dick Avatar
    Sir Bentwood Dick

    And in Barbados there is an apparent clever move by adminstration to prevent the demise of our own real estate market.

    How? By the massive increase in land tax values that ervyone is complaining about.

    People have interpreted this as a tax grab, but more importantly, it is an attempt to prevent property values here falling to ‘real levels’, by giving ‘official’ support to unrealistic prices.

    I wonder who came up with this idea.

    An estate mogul?

    Ho,ho, hum!

  38. Sir Bentwood Dick Avatar
    Sir Bentwood Dick

    So, who in Barbados will be the first to sell property below the stated land tax ‘value’?

    It will happen.

  39. Sir Bentwood Dick Avatar
    Sir Bentwood Dick

    There inevitably was always to come a time when the ‘underlying economy’ would catch up with the money games.

    That is all that is happening now.


  40. Sir Dick,
    Well if that is darn right clever… cheeky.. give a f**k, its got a ring to it..!

    Greeny and Carlos,
    No doubt in my mind that you and MME are on the same side. MME just prefers that the dots are better connected before you are anyone commits. Look the fallout of being dubbed an idealist or dreamer or worse is having to walk around with a label that suggests that you do not know what the f**k you are about. I am with MME. (I ain’ no Christian tho’)

  41. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “How many Rihana’s and Bill Gates are there in this world compared to the number of peons just barely eking out a living.”
    ——————-

    GM… are you a peon or serf barely eking out a living (as you so eloquently put it)? Perhaps you would have preferred life in the 17th century pre-banking era over your life today. The fact is, there are some wealthy bankers, but the following list of the world’s wealthiest people shows that ANYONE can amass huge wealth given the right attitude toward work, money and risk, some creative thinking and a little bit of luck… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_billionaires

    This is CAPITALISM at work, not some plot by bankers to rule the world.

    … at the end of the day, we don’t need that much money to live comfortable, happy lives… but we do need systems that give us the freedom to chart our own path (liberalism), and the opportunity to improve our lot regardless of the personal circumstances we are born into… and the system we choose must be compatible with our Code… like shopping for a software product and making sure that you choose the version that will work on your operating system. We have made tremendous progress, but we are still running on Hunter-Gatherer 3.0 (… the upgrade is coming Bush Tea, you just got the timing wrong)

    Think about your position GM… you criticise the very systems which permit you to live in relative comfort with your gadgets and unlimited internet access, while others around the world (and a small number in your own backyard) suffer in abject poverty… is your criticism of the ‘system’ born out of a sense of guilt? Or is it envy of others with more? Is it because you feel powerless to shape and influence events that impact on your life, so you find solace in creating a scape goat to blame things on? Or do you just like the thrill and excitement of a good mystery? Why does the unlikely or improbable appeal to you more than the simple more plausible explanation?

    I’m going to take another look at that video later (I admit to not watching it since it was first released in 2006), and prepare a short post on specific inaccuracies (lies?) to show just how ‘crafty’ the producer(s) were.


  42. Here is the problem with capitalism…
    http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=28790

  43. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    …more “Money As Debt” deception.

    @7:20 – “However, this is not the way banking works today”… the narrator then goes on to suggest that ‘today’ banks ‘create money out of nothing’. FALSE. Banks do create money, but this is not created ‘out of nothing’… it is created based on societies’ demand for a medium of exchange. The demand created by you and me… and people like Joe the Plumber :-), who create the value of goods and services through the dynamics of supply/demand… money is simply the medium of exchange that allows us to trade these good and services. All banks and governments do, is facilitate trade by supplying this medium of exchange to the market. Most is created through fractional reserve banking, and some is paper currency (or cash) printed by the treasury and ‘sold’ to the Federal Reserve Banks or Central Bank for distribution … if they supply too much relative to the goods and services being traded, then they devalue the money or create inflation… too little and there will be decline in business, increased unemployment and deflation. The key thing to remember is that the goods and services being traded create value… money’s only role is to lubricate the economic engine.

    Through fractional reserve banking, the system as a whole (not individual banks) creates additional money based on a multiple of the ‘base’ currency (or ‘high-powered money’) printed by the treasury. Without fractional reserve banking our deposits would cost us rather than earn us money, and access to funds for investment and economic activity would be far less efficient… to go back to an earlier analogy it is like the difference between the splash lubrication system in a Wright brothers 1903 engine and the full-pressure lubricating system in their later models… neither is perfect but the latter is far superior.

    @10:30 – “Money used to represent value. Money now represents debt”. LOL… what manner of lunacy is this? So we are supposed to accept that fiat money can’t possibly represent value, but gold in the ‘goldsmith’s vault’ can. Question: How did that gold get its value? Answer: In the same way fiat money (or beads and sea shells used by the Arawaks and Caribs) gets its value… we ascribe value to it.

    @15:13 – The 9:1 Chinese Doll analogy. MISLEADING. This is an oversimplification and ignores capital requirement regulations like the Basel Accords.

    @20:12 – “To anyone who agrees we will honour our pledge, that loan agreement or mortgage is now a portable, exchangable and saleable piece of paper. Its an IOU. It represents value and is therefore a form of money”. HALF-TRUTH. Only a percentage of the loan is permitted to be counted as value.

    @22:36 – “How can it be that the people who produce all of the real wealth in the world are in debt to those who merely lend out the money that represents the wealth?” Ask that to the non-bankers among the world’s richest 100 in that link previously posted… or anyone for that matter whose net worth is greater than zero. Its all DOWNHILL from this point on in the video.

    @29:30 – “Perpetually accelerating growth and sustainability are incompatible”. FALSE :-). The statement sounds logical, I know… but its simply not true… ask BBE.


  44. To Micro Mock Engineer:

    I have to in part disagree with your comments about money.

    “today’ banks ‘create money out of nothing’. FALSE.” — In fact this is completely true. This is how all money is created; while what you say about this money being created by individual demand it would be better and more accurate to say that money created by banks loaning money in to existence is actually matching assets with liquidity, on a temporary basis.

    The money multiplier and the fraction: This suggests that most banks must still keep a fraction of their deposits, while for some banks this is true, for most it is no longer the case, what they must generally do is demonstrate liquidity to the central bank. So in this day and age, banks do more than simply add extra money to the system by virtue of the money multiplier effect: well this was true until very recently, and is one of the reasons that AIG was not allowed to go under. It insured assets of many banks fulfilling their liquidity reqirements.

    Money used to represent value. Money now represents debt” – This again is completely true. In every country I am aware of , only the government or an insitituion named by a government , such a central bank can actually create money by turning on the printing presses. Banks can only create money by loaning it into existence. So for those of us who are not banks, money is created as debt.

    “Perpetually accelerating growth and sustainability are incompatible”. FALSE :-). — that might actually be true as we run out of natural resources, particularly oil. Unless we find another suitable energy source we can grow indefinitley.

    The great thing fraction reserve banking has allowed , is matched liquidity at the point it is needed when it is needed. So you want to borrow some money for a new business venture, the bank ‘creates’ the money as a loan for you, and you work at your business and pay the loan back, the money you were originally loaned has disappeard , the bank closed the account, and you now have your business. Without the fractional reserve system (or one similar) you would never have had your businesss, so many great advances would never every have happened, books written, films made, medicine discovered, the list is practically endless.

    The biggest reasons for scrapping fractional reserve banking are:

    1) It removes the control of the money supply from the government, which is very dangerous for any economy.

    2) It is essentially an immoral act to lend money in this way. Hence banned by almost every religion on earth. It is not fair to have somthing like run by bankers for their profit rather than for the people of a nation.

    Banking, in it’s current form should not be considered private capatalist business anymore than the army or police force should be.


  45. “printed by the treasury and ‘sold’ to the Federal Reserve Banks or Central Bank for distribution”. Whoops. Somebody’s confused here.


  46. We are a little confused at the conversation going on, please bear with us. Are we not getting confused between the role of the Central Bank/Federal Reserve and commercial banks? Isn’t the central bank an agent of government and commercial banks regulated by the central banks. Reading some comments above it seems that the banks have a will of their own. What are we missing in the argument?

    On a another note we read that President Bush will be hosting a big meeting of G7 countries to discuss the financial crisis by end of year. Does not inspire confidence that’s for sure.


  47. Central Bank is an agent of the Government (Central Bank Act accessible on the web). The Federal Reserve is not, but it has Directors that represent Congress and the Top Cat on the board. To understand the true nature of the control that the CB has over banks in Bim, one must seek the definition of “moral suasion”. My definition of the word is “no control over”. What’s yours?

    The other members of the G7 (G12, shit G rest of the goddamn world) are pissed of with America’s approach to dealing with this Wall Street thing and basically view it has Government facilitating high priced criminals (BANGSTERS). After the previous meet between the two the Sec of the Treasury had basically nothing to report. The US cannot now seek foreign investment from any body, not even their traditional stooges in the Arab world. What a crock. BFP and the community of white Bajans must be so disappointed.


  48. MME please understand the concept of Credit Default Swaps for example to understand anything about AIG. You are defending some very, very bad people. I done gun wid you.


  49. Central Bank is an agent of the Government (Central Bank Act accessible on the web). The Federal Reserve is not, but it has Directors that represent Congress and the Top Cat on the board. To understand the true nature of the control that the CB has over banks in Bim, one must seek the definition of “moral suasion”. My definition of the word is “no control over”. What’s yours?

    Not sure we agree with your position on the Fed. Our reserch shows that it is a quasi-government entity.Obviously the 12 Directors would have to make decisions in the interest of the whole. You shouldn’t forget that congress represent a piece of the US government. Our understanding is that the Central Bank uses moral suasion in respect of certain matters where they would prefer market forces to operate. It does not mean that they couldn’t intervene if they wanted to.

    The other members of the G7 (G12, shit G rest of the goddamn world) are pissed of with America’s approach to dealing with this Wall Street thing and basically view it has Government facilitating high priced criminals (BANGSTERS). After the previous meet between the two the Sec of the Treasury had basically nothing to report. The US cannot now seek foreign investment from any body, not even their traditional stooges in the Arab world. What a crock. BFP and the community of white Bajans must be so disappointed.

    The reality which you have to face is that much of Europe and Asian depend on the appetite of the US consumer to drive their GDP. The intervoven nature of the world’s economies built on the free trade mechanisms like EPA’s etc makes it mandatory that the G7/G12 cooperate with the USA.


  50. In the last meet, the US were not seeking cooperation, they were making demands. It will happen again. The rest of the world has more now to “negotiate with” than before. As for the intervention part… my friend I hope to live for a long time and see a lot of things.. CB intervention is not going to be one of them, not ’bout here.

    Oh yea David, there is no quasi anything. Government representatives can be and most definitely are bought (and sold). Is this not why we in Bim are pushing for Integrity Legislation? The US is just plain ol’ corrupt. I laff at comments that suggest that people like Neel Kashkari are ideal because of their backgrounds. The Present Sec of the Treasury is obviously acting in his past buddies interests, the asst. Sec comes with the same back ground, connect the dots.

    The reality my friend is that there is a recession on in the US and that will force alternative strategies to US dependence from the rest of the world for them to be able to see this through. I think the rest of the world has sufficient brain power to come up with something in the short term. What say you?

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