76 responses to “FBI Counterterrorism Agents Blocked From Going Public On The 9/11 Affair”

1. 

   passin thru

   October 4, 2008 at 5:55 am

   
   

   David, you lose me 100% when you start posting links that claim #1/hundreds of Americans were aware of the 9/11 attack plan and did nothing or even better #2/ the 9/11 attacks were engineered by the USA and none of the Jews who worked at the WTC showed up on the morning of the attack.

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2. 

   Ian Bourne

   October 4, 2008 at 8:24 am

   
   

   Because you got ADD – Attention Deficit Disorder; seriously, it is very simple! The same way the US media downplays the possibility the GOP admin now in power may have orchestrated 9/11 to allow oil explorations is similar to the manner how the Bajan media can be construed as a silent ally to whoever Govt is power here at Ilaro Court and allow crap to happen unabated w/o questioning it, capisce?

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3. 

   Bush tea

   October 4, 2008 at 8:44 am

   
   

   Well put Ian.

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4. 

   Green Monkey

   October 4, 2008 at 8:56 am

   
   

   David, doan mind passin thru. He is painting with a broad brush when he tries to make out that anyone who believes that there is a coverup of important details surrounding 9/11 believes that “the jews did it” and jews were forewarned not to come to work at the WTC that day.

   Although, it is a fact that five Israeli Mossad agents were apprehended by the police and turned over to the FBI after they were reported by observers to be filming the destruction of the WTC towers on the day of 9/11 and apparently acting in a celebratory manner, eg. jumping excitedly, high fiving each other, holding up lighted cigarette lighters (like they do at rock concerts etc.) They were nicknamed the “dancing Israelis”.

   This was even reported in the Jewish, mainstream publication “The Forward” along with the admission that the FBI had confirmed that these “dancing Israelis” had connections to the Mossad and Israeli intelligence. They were quietly deported and no more was heard about it in the US mainstream media (after a few initial reports). Just google the following “dancing Israelis WTC” if you want to learn more.

   And don’t let anyone dissuade you that you have to be a “kook” or a “nut case” to believe there was an intensive coverup put in place to prevent embarrassing facts (for the US gov’t) about 9/11 being made public.

   Many highly qualified US citizens including high ranking military veterans, commercial pilots, retired intelligence analysts, State Department veterans, scientists, academics and engineers have gone on record to state their disbelief in the US government’s and the 9/11 Commission’s explanation of the 9/11 event and calling for another inquiry to clear the air on the circumstances surrounding 9/11.

   You can learn more details about these critics and what they have to say at http://www.patriotsquestion911.com and at this link here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/12547

   There are also almost 500 qualified engineers and architects at Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth ( http://www.ae911truth.org ) who are on record as stating that the FEMA and NIST explanations as to how the 3 WTC towers collapsed (straight down at free fall speeds ) does not make sense and violate the laws of physics. Note that there were 3 building that collapsed straight down at more or less free fall speed that day.

   In addtion to the well knows towers WTC 1 and 2, WTC building #7, a 47 story, steel framed skyscraper, also collapsed straight down into its own footprint at free fall speed on the evening of 9/11 and it had not been hit by a plane. In contrast to the collapse of the main towers which received widespread publicity and were replayed over and over on TV, the collapse of WTC #7 got very little media coverage, and it has since been rebuilt and quietly reopened with little fanfare. Just go to http://www.ae911truth.org for more details.

   The 9/11 Commission, created to investigate 9/11, only came about after intense pressure from families of 9/11 victim. Initially both Dubya and Dick Cheney said no official investigation was necessary and fought strenuously against holding one until pressure and bad PR from some wives of 9/11 victims (google “Jersey Girls”) forced Bush to back down and create the 9/11 Commission of inquiry.

   A documentary “Press for Truth” was released documenting the Jersey Girls and other 9/11 victims’ family members struggle against the odds to force the US government to hold an inquiry over the objections of the President and Vice-President.

   The video is available at Google video here: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=press+for+truth&emb=0&aq=f#

   Unfortunately even after the inquiry was completed and the official report released, the 9/11 victims’ families say that many of the questions they had asked the commission to seek answers to were not addressed at all or were inadequately answered. See: http://www.911truth.org/images/resources/Family_Steering_Cmte-review_of_Report.pdf

   Interestingly enough, even members of the commission itself have admitted that they were lied to by US military witnesses appearing before them and have expressed doubts as to the accuracy of their findings.

   9/11 COMMISSIONERS

   The 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

   Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

   9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.

   9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

   9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

   Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

   The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

   (go to original for embedded links)
   http://www.911blogger.com/node/12547

   For anyone clinging to the belief that is is just too “off the wall” to believe that the US could have played a part in attacking itself or might have intentionally allowed the attacks to go ahead, it is a fact that the US military and the CIA and their NATO allies have used what’s known as “false flag terror” in order to stir up public anger and opposition to a targeted enemy.

   One of the clearest examples of this occurred during the cold war when NATO along with the CIA and MI6 engaged in what was known as a “Strategy of Tension” and organized underground or “stay-behind” armies in all western European countries, ostensibly to help fight an underground, resistance campaign against any Soviet invasion force.

   However, in many cases these underground armies were used to stage murderous terror attacks on civilian targets which were then blamed on the radical left in order to demonize leftists and communists politicians and forestall their attainment of political power.

   In Italy the underground army was known as “Gladio” and it was involved in the 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station which killed 85 people.

   You can read more about Gladio and NATO’s underground armies at these links:

   http://www.911blogger.com/node/16710
   http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2007/05/strategy-of-tension.html
   http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8110.htm

   Also, the Pentagon Joint Chiefs of Staff proposal to use false flag terror attacks against US civilian and military targets and Cuban refugees in order to put the blame on Castro and justify in the mind of the public and the international community an invasion of Cuba to overthrow Castro. These false flag terror plans went under the codename “Operation Northwoods” and you can read about them here:

   http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662
   http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html?q=northwoods.html

   As Herman Goering said:
   “Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the
   bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them
   they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of
   patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
   any country.”
   http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.asp

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5. 

   David

   October 4, 2008 at 9:14 am

   
   

   @passin thru

   We know where this is headed, we are about to be accused of being anti-Semitic. Just see this blog as exposing another view and people like you with another view can feel free to counter.

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6. 

   Straight talk

   October 4, 2008 at 10:13 am

   
   

   Your question, David,”how could it have happened”? should have been comprehensively answered by 9/11 Commission.

   It wasn’t, and a new investigation is being demanded by a growing number of Americans.

   I’ve had a look at most of the filmed footage of that terrible day, and I must agree, many anomalies, mismanagement and downright lies need further scrutiny, if only to honour the victims and their still grieving families.

   Some questions which need answering include:-

   Why were none of the hijackers on the four flight manifests?

   Why, according to Transport Secretary Minetta’s testimony, did Cheney allow the attack on the Pentagon by refusing to intercept Flight 77 as it approached, the most heavily defended building on earth?

   Why are all Pentagon security videos not being shown, to prove beyond all doubt that a 757 struck the building?

   How come Flight 93 just happened to end up in a pre-existing wing shaped scar with a bomb crater at its centre?

   How does a 4feet x 2feet box column made of 3in high tensile steel disintegrate to powder in front of my eyes?

   How is it that many of these same core columns were precisely cut at 45deg. angles to initiate collapse?

   What happened to the 50-ton press which vapourised in the basement of WTC1?

   Finally, for now, can anyone explain the collapse of WTC7, so obviously a demolition?

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7. 

   Micro Mock Engineer

   October 4, 2008 at 10:29 am

   
   

   David,

   We’ve read about these “500 qualified engineers and architects at Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth”… but why not ask structural engineer and BU contributor, Researching, for his opinion on this “controlled demolition” conspiracy theory. 🙂

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8. 

   David

   October 4, 2008 at 10:59 am

   
   

   @MME

   Good question but why don’t you tell us? How did the WTC tower free fall in less than 10 seconds?

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9. 

   Green Monkey

   October 4, 2008 at 11:30 am

   
   

   Why, according to Transport Secretary Minetta’s testimony, did Cheney allow the attack on the Pentagon by refusing to intercept Flight 77 as it approached, the most heavily defended building on earth?

   I think this is one very damning aspect of 9/11 that bears further investigation. The AA flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon approximately an hour and 15 minutes after the start of the first hijackings.

   We now know, in spite of Condi’s and Bush’s initial protests to the contrary, that reports had been coming in for months from various intelligence agencies around the world that a large scale terrorist attack was being planned for the US.

   We also know that the authorities were well aware that a method favoured by terrorist would be to try crash planes into important buildings and landmarks,

   A few months earlier, prior to 9/11, at a G8 conference in Genoa, Italy the Italian government installed special anti-aircraft defenses around the conference centre and declared a no fly zone over the area because of fears that terrorists would try to crash planes into the building while the G8 leaders were meeting.

   Bush even had to spend the nights off shore on a US aircraft carrier as a further precaution.

   See: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/sep/27/globalisation.afghanistan

   Yet we are lead to believe that US defense planning was so piss poor that, even though there was strong reason to suspect terrorist attacks involving aircraft hijackings and crashing planes into buildings was in the cards, the USAF left the nation’s capital city, Washington DC, unprotected by air cover for over an hour after the initial hijacking reports had come in, thereby leaving the headquarters of the most powerful military in the world to come under a dive bomb attack.

   Yet, no heads no rolled, no one was fired for dereliction of duty or disciplined for incompetence.

   Even if one is willing to grant exceptional deference to the Bush / Cheney administration, and pretend that they had no idea 9/11 was about to happen, there is no excuse for this ignorance at 9:03 am, when the second (South) tower was hit. At that point, the entire military’s air defense system had no doubt that the hijackings were intentional, multiple attacks, and that additional hijacked planes would be used as weapons. This is the time when “President” Bush was content to continue to read to second graders, instead of assuming his duties as Commander-in-Chief.

   When the second tower was struck, Flight 77 was near the Ohio – West Virginia border. Around this time, that plane made an unscheduled 180 degree turn, and stopped communicating with air traffic control — a big clue that this was also one of the hijacked planes. Nevertheless, no serious efforts were made to intercept this plane between 9:03 am and 9:38 am, when it hit the west side of the Pentagon. Planes were scrambled from an air base in the Norfolk, Virginia area during this time, but inexplicably were sent east over the ocean, instead of northwest toward the Washington area. (The weather that morning was perfectly clear, and there is no innocent explanation for why these interceptor planes were sent over the water, away from DC, instead of toward the National Capitol Area.)

   http://www.oilempire.us/standdown.html

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10. 

    Carlos

    October 4, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    
    

    Yes, all of the info given above from these sites are exposing the sinister, evil, wicked plans and plots of the ‘elite’ globalists, heartless men whose objective is to usher in ‘One World Government’ and they will use whatever stratergy is necessary, be it the 9/11 attack, or the current financial ‘melt-down’ this is no joke, as there are all pieces of the same plan, and the average citizen is fed a diet of explanations, that is a gross insult to their intelligence.

    CSME, is just another ‘microcosm’ of the globalist plan at gradually ushering in the ‘One World Government’ under the popular catch phrase, ‘Globalization’ how many of our Caribbean leaders are aware of this?

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11. 

    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 4, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    
    

    LOL Carlos.

    David… it seems you have started a discussion in which Carlos, Straight talk and Rok are in agreement. That in itself should be enough to tell you something is amiss here 🙂

    This link should help you with your ‘freefall’ concerns: http://www.911myths.com/html/freefall.html

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12. 

    Green Monkey

    October 4, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    
    

    Watch this youtube video which uses a software physics program to measure the collapse speed from a video of the WTC 7 collaspse and show how, for a large proportion of the collapse time, WTC7 does fall with an acceleration roughly equal to that of free fall acceleration due to gravity, meaning it encountered little or no resistance to slow the fall. In other words, all the supporting building infrastructure had been somehow removed almost simultaneously.

    This is contrary to the latest report from NIST (National Institute of Standards and Techonology) which claims a much lower acceleration in the fall of WTC 7.

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13. 

    Carlos

    October 4, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    
    

    Let’s get to the heart of the matter, ‘Setting the Stage for World Government.”

    The following is an edited version of a three part series of brief, but concise articles I did a few years ago for a news paper.

    “That the New World Order which is setting the strage for ‘World Government’ is exemplified in various treaties and groups such as North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), The General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs (GATT), World Trade Organization (WTO), Euopean Union (EU), the Caribbean Single Market and Economy (CSME), is not to be doubted, but still not obviously grasped by many, including some benevolent well-meaning leaders of demoncratic free enterprise countries, as this diabolical deception is essentially spiritual in nature, and not so much intellectual.

    Yes, it involves much military activity between allied forces, but, the economic convergence will ultimately affect our lives far more than sporadic military exercise in countries like Iraq and Kosovo.

    This omninous, sinister New World Order that will usher in the Antichrist World Government, is foretold in God’s Word, the Bible.

    On the creation of this World Government, Dr. Grant Jeffrey, in his extensively researched and well documented book, “Surveillance Society, The Rise of Antichrist” mentions a statement made by Sir Isaac Newton in a book called ‘Observations on the Prophecies of Daniel and the Apocalypse of St. John, he wrote:

    “And giving ear to the prophets is a fundamental character of the true Church. For God has so ordered the prophets that in the latter days ‘the wise may understand, but the wicked shall do wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand” (Daniel 12: 9-10).

    The Lord Jesus Christ spoke of those who would ignore the prophecies about His second return. He said; “O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken.” (Luke. 24:25).

    The planning of this New World Order and One World Government has been going on for a long time. On this, Jeffrey goes on to point out:

    “The Council on Foreign Relations was established following World War I in an attempt by the elite groups controlling the financial and political life in the United States to make sure that the future foreign policy of America followed their interest.” This was carefully organized by people in the State Department, building key relationships in Britain and Europe with similiar one World Government mind-sets.

    Council on Foreign Relations.

    The composition of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), is described by by Jeffrey this way: “The list of major well-known media personnel that are members of the CFR is staggering. Many of the well-known major American media people have been members of this secret group for decades. There is an interlocking membership involving key players of the Trilateral Commission (TC), the (CFR), international banking and manufacturing coporations, high military positions, powerful State Department diplomats, and White House cabinet officials, both Republician and Democrats, as they all have the same agenda. Very few people make it into the inner circles of true power in Washington, unless they have first served as members of the CFR or Trilateral Commission.” (p.25).

    Others with an alert perception of what is unfolding are not afraid to speak out, as Jeffrey reports: “The Manchester Union Leader ran an editorial during the 1979 presidential primaries that warned about the Trilateral Commission: “Its clear that this group of extremely powerful men is out to control the world.”

    Jeffrey goes on to emphasise that: “The Council on Foreign relations is committed to the elimination of existing national boundaries and the merging of all nation states into a powerful world government. Members of the CFR and their globalist allies in other key nations have shaped the economic policies of the United States of America, Britain, France, Canada, Japan and Germany for the last 50 years.”

    Jeffrey then correctly states: “The move towards a New World Order is no accident. Every single move has been meticulously planned by these secret groups. It is time to wake up and realise where they are taking our nations, our democratic rights, and our freedoms. The purpose of the Trilateral Commission and the CFR is to quickly infiltrate the decision-making bodies of government, education, business, the military and the media, to consciously influence the key leaders to adopt the ‘globalist philosophy’ of the New World Order. The whole process depends on networking at the most sophisticated level.”

    What is currently happening in the States, the financial and economic melt-down, is all part of their plan, as farfetched as it sounds, it is real, never mind all of the PR, just a show to keep the masses in ignorance.

    The question for us in the Caribbean, do our leaders know and understand that the CSME is just another microcosm of this World Order, and the ultimate World Antichrist Government?

    We simply cannot separate the prophetic messages from God’s Word, the Bible, re this end-time reality, for it is unfolding before our very eyes, piece by piece, bit by bit.

    Or, are we going to do like the frog, who was placed in a tub of water, with the heat gradually being turned up, until it was too late to realise he was a dead frog!

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14. 

    Carlos

    October 4, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    
    

    Micro Mock Engineer, LOL to you as well!!

    Do you think that Logic is only applicable to engineering?

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15. 

    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 4, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    
    

    Do you think that Logic is only applicable to engineering?
    ————————–
    🙂

    No Carlos… in fact, like Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore, I think that a mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it.

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16. 

    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 4, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    
    

    … David. Did you go to see the old Hilton demolished? Do you remember the loud explosions that preceded the collapse? Look at some videos of controlled demolitions, listen for the explosions, and then listen for these explosions in any of the close-up videos of the WTC collapses. Hear any of those ‘bombs’ go off prior to, or during, the towers collapsing?

    … as for the building 7, this video may help you Green Monkey.

    … and while we’re waging this YouTube war, might as well show these additional video clips also from RKOwens4:

    This guy RKOwens4 has done some good work here 🙂

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17. 

    Hopi

    October 4, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    
    

    BU……. Its high time. This is at the core of the so-called financial meltdown in the US right now. Most of the above posters have hit the bulls eye. You don’t have to accept the conspiracy of the US’ involvement, just do the legwork for yourself. And yes this was a FBI, CIA, MOSSAD operation and yes “jews” were forewarned not to go to work that day, this alone should tell you who was at the core of this operation. First look at who benefitted financially, most of them are ZIONISTS fronting as “jews.” Check out AIG’s connection, check out the owner of the twin towers, Larry S and the big wall street gamblers who made a killing with waging on these same airlines. (Put-options). Why did Larry tell them to pull bldg 7 when it was not even touched? Just follow the money! Didn’t they just save AIG’s arse? And yes America is controlled by the ZIONISTS who are bleeding it dry right now. As Rothschild ( a zionist) once said he does not care who write the laws, just give him control of the money, and there you have it. The same criminals who took down Germany.”By means of deception thou shall do war.” Before anyone becomes president of the US, the first thing they must do is pledge their loyalty and undying support for the bloody state of “israel” formerly Palestine. Didn’t you see how that damn grinning billy goat Sarah Palin was on her knees before them Thursday night. They must all give them their support. Zbigniew Brzezinski who is Barack’s handler and a member of CFR documented this shit in “The Grand Chessboard.” Right now this world is being controlled by satanic beings because their endgame is GLOBAL DOMINANCE.

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18. 

    David

    October 4, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    
    

    we have never watched so many YouTubes. Hopi we heard Obama issuing a warning to Iran as well that they need to leave Israel alone or else!

    MME we did not hear any sounds which should precede a building being demolished. From a layman’s perspective we would have to say that the tubes you submitted provide logical explanations and can be reasonably said to have debunked the conspiracy theories, there is one thing: Why would FBI agents in the know about 911 be blocked from doing so?

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19. 

    Green Monkey

    October 4, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    
    

    Everyone who thinks Carlos is talking “crazy talk” should watch (now deceased) Hollywood film director Aaron Rousso’s documentary “America, From Freedom to Fascism.”

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&ei=AsHnSP7aC4qCrQLlxtycCw&q=from+freedom+to+fascism

    Warning it is a long one (1hr 51min).

    Rousso found he had opened a can of worms after he starts off on an initial quest just to determine whether there really is a law that compels US citizens to pay an income tax.

    If you don’t have a high speed connection to watch the video, there are some downloadable audio only MP3 interviews with Rousso here:

    http://www.freedomtofascism.com/interviews/interviews.html

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20. 

    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 4, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    
    

    David,

    I don’t know the answer to that question… but one thing that was clear from the 9/11 Commissions report is that the FBI and CIA screwed up by failing to share intelligence information that may have helped them to ‘connect the dots’. We could either take them on their word that their reason for “blocking” these agents from participating in the documentary is that they don’t want to stir up old FBI/CIA conflicts, OR… a plausible ‘conspiracy’ might be that they simply don’t want the public to see exactly how big a part their petty spy agency rivalry and refusal to share information with each other contributed to this major screw-up.

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21. 

    Green Monkey

    October 4, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    
    

    but one thing that was clear from the 9/11 Commissions report is that the FBI and CIA screwed up by failing to share intelligence information that may have helped them to ‘connect the dots’.

    It was more than interagency communication breakdowns that blocked the free flow of information and hindered investigations of the terrorist suspects.

    Independent of whatever information was intentionally withheld by the CIA from the FBI, certain FBI bosses blocked subordinates’ terrorism investigations preventing them from following up leads which could have led to the hijackers’ arrest.

    FBI agent warned superiors 70 times about Moussaoui
    New American, The, April 17, 2006

    Harry Samit, the Minnesota FBI agent who arrested Zacarias Moussaoui three and a half weeks before the September 11,2001 terror attacks, provided explosive testimony against his superiors during cross-examination by Moussaoui’s defense attorneys. Samit, who arrested Moussaoui and his Oklahoma University roommate Hussein Al-Attas on August 16, confirmed on the witness stand that he and other agents in the Minnesota office had argued repeatedly with their Washington, D.C., superiors, urgently requesting permission for a warrant to search Moussaoui’s laptop computer, as well as Moussaoui and Al-Attas’ apartment and possessions.

    Agent Samit said he had contacted his superiors 70 times, urgently requesting assistance with the Moussaoui/Al-Attas investigation, only to be repeatedly rebuffed without any rational explanation. He said the superiors who thwarted the Minnesota investigation were guilty of “criminal negligence and obstruction.”

    “You tried to move heaven and earth to get a search warrant to search this man’s belongings and you were obstructed,” defense attorney Edward MacMahon said to the agent. “Yes sir, I was obstructed,” Samit replied, noting that these actions were a “calculated” decision “that cost us the opportunity to stop the attacks.” His superiors even blocked him from sending a memo to the Federal Aviation Administration to apprise them of the information he had uncovered about Moussaoui and Al-Attas and his belief that they were involved in an international hijacking plot. They also prevented him from putting an undercover Arabic-speaking agent in the same cell with Al-Attas.

    SNIP

    Samit’s charges echo those of Minnesota FBI agent and lawyer Coleen Rowley, who wrote a letter to FBI Director Robert Mueller bitterly criticizing Washington’s obstruction in the Moussaoui case.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_8_22/ai_n24985503

    FBI agent Coleen Rowley’s letter to Robert Mueller complaining of FBI management obstructing their own agents’ investigations of terrorist suspects can be read here:

    http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html

    We now know that there had been lots of warnings flooding in from all over the world about probable terrorist attacks in the US and yet the FBI agents in the field are stymied in their investigations by “head office.” So it makes it all the more puzzling as to why their superiors were obstructing FBI field agents investigations.

    There is also the case of the former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds who testified at the 9/11 commission regarding the evidence she found while working as a translator for the FBI to indicate that the 9/11 attacks could have been prevented. Her testimony was not discussed in the final Commission report.

    Sibel Edmonds is an amazingly courageous former FBI translator. She lost her job at the FBI for insisting that extremely important information on the 9/11 attacks she came across in her work be correctly interpreted and passed on to the appropriate high-level officials. This information reveals clear foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks not mentioned in the recently released 9/11 Commission report. As I also work as a contract interpreter for the US Department of State, a mutual friend put me in email contact with Sibel several months ago. I have been deeply impressed with her unwavering commitment to honesty and to revealing the truth so that we can avoid another attack on the scale of 9/11. She has been courageously trying to expose this information ever since losing her job, until now working within the constraints of a gag order against her.

    What Sibel saw and experienced first hand proves without a doubt that the recently released report of the 9/11 Commission failed miserably to report key disturbing facts that point to a cover-up of a much greater scale than the report leads one to believe. I invite you to read below her letter sent to the chairman of the 9/11 Commission, Thomas Kean on Aug. 1st. In revealing here for the first time the names and details related to her allegations, Sibel is bravely violating a gag order placed on her directly by US Attorney General John Ashcroft. Please help to educate the public of the travesty of the 9/11 commission report by spreading this news far and wide. Together, we can make a difference!

    With very best wishes,
    Fred

    Sibel Edmond’s open letter to Thomas Keane follows here:

    http://www.mormon.citymax.com/9_11.html

    More on the Sibel Edmond’s whistleblower case here:
    http://lukery.blogspot.com/2007/08/who-are-fbi-juice-men-in-sibel-edmonds.html

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22. 

    Hopi

    October 4, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    
    

    David……

    The fix is in. Obama did not simply become the nominee based on merit. He was chosen by the “puppet master” hence he has to fall prostrate before israel as well. All these political prostitutes must put israel 1st and all others fall in line. And yes, there were bombs/mega explosions in the buildings. I heard them. David this is no conspiracy theory, this is only a conspiracy reaching the highest level of government – but none dare call it treason. Why is it that sky-scrapers all over the world burn for hours and hours and never crumble? Before they got this recent “fox guarding the henhouse” bill passed they threatened the imposition of martial law. Putting your wishes aside do you really have faith that Obama is his own man?

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23. 

    Straight talk

    October 4, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    
    

    MME:

    As you acknowledge, you too are puzzled by the security services’ failure of communication that allowed the attacks to proceed unhindered.

    You therefore should join other concerned citizens, who are equally puzzled by many of the events of 9/11, in calling for a truly independent investigation, and let the chips fall where they may.

    We can swap youtube clips all week, but they will get us nowhere, and only add to the confusion.

    The majority of the original 9/11 commission have stated that their report was flawed because of recent contradictory revelations.

    Straight, honest answers will lay this matter to rest once and for all.

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24. 

    DOMINOES

    October 4, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    
    

    YOU see americans has the whole world in them hands ,when they say jump you want to know how high,I wonder if barbadians ever heard about the MOSAADS.

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    DOMINOES

    October 4, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    
    

    If you get a true report from america you will get a true one from barbados about brittons hill.

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    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 4, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    
    

    ST,

    There is already enough data, engineering analyses and live video footage to debunk the controlled demolition hypothesis. I have learnt to accept that even when the evidence and analysis provides a simple answer, there will always be those who choose to believe the conspiracy theory… like the holocaust never happened, or the US never landed a man on the moon etc.

    … but I would support further investigations into the extent of the foul-up by the FBI and CIA, assuming of course, that this has not already been done ‘secretly’… I am not so sure that it would be prudent for a country to publicly air its secret services’ vulnerabilities and institutional weaknesses.

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    Carlos

    October 4, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    
    

    To MME, I agree with Nobel laureate Tagore, “I think that a mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it.”

    But, where is the proof that any reasonable person, is in fact doing this kind of illogical thinking?

    Can we not use the Law of Non-Contradiction here as well, that ‘Two competing truth claims cannot be both right at the same time and aspect; yes, they can both be wrong, but they cannot both be right, right!!

    To Hopi, while you are right in some of your presuppositions, I can tell you most assuredly that you are way off base in your understanding of the Jews, and Zionists, here are a few of the historical facts regarding Zionism.

    First, this term ‘Zionism’ refers to the philosophy of the Jewish people’s restoration to ‘Zion’ which early in Jewish history was identified with Jerusalem. After the Roman expulsion of the Jews from Jerusalem in A.D. 135, this “Zion” idea was never divorced from Jewish thinking, and Jewish prayers (both individual and corporate) emphazised the desire to return to their ancient homeland. The religious Jews dreamed of an end period of ultimate release from his dispersion among the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national homeland.

    Yes, Zionism was a minority movement and encountered opposition even within the Jewish community. Even American Reform Judaism, for example, believed that Jews were not suited for the rigors of Palestine, where disease and famine were rampant.

    To these non-Zionist Jews, Zionism was damaging the fabric of Judaism and only served to stir up the Russians. It was only the horror of the mass murder of a hundred thousand Jews by Russian army units from 1919 to 1921 and, ultimately, the horror of the Nazi Holocaust during World War II in which six million Jews were exterminated that drew Zionists and non-Zionists together in support of Palestine as a Jewish commonwealth – a haven for the most persecuted people in history. In November, 1947, a partition plan creating a Jewish state, endorsed by both the United States and the Soviet Union, was adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations. The State of Israel was then formally recognized on May 14, 1948, when British rule ended. As the young state strengthened, the definition of Zionism and what its current goals and purpose should be have been heatedly debated within the World Zionist Organuzation itself. Since 1958 the emphasis of ‘aliyah’ (personal migration to Israel) has been seen by many as an ultimate, yet controversial goal.

    Zionism has been aided in the ninteenth and twentieth centuries by “Christian Zionists.” Because of their premillennial eschatology, fundamentalist evangelicals have been particularly supportive of the restoration of the Jewish people to Israel and of Israel itself in the twentieth century.

    This is just a brief factual look at Zionism. There is so much more on the Jewish people, the nation of Israel, and the hard facts, both Biblically and historically, that that Land, belongs to them, as given to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Israel; by Almighty God in His unconditional, sovereign covenant promises to them and their ‘seed’ the Jews.

    But, the infamous use of ‘turnspeak’ by the Arabs after they became a nation State,(1948) after almost two thousand years of dispersion throughout the world, where the propagandists carefully planned and executed their ‘lies’ through repeadly saying and promoting the false premise, that the ‘Jews’ were the agressors, when in fact, they were being tormented and presecuted by the combined forces of the Arab world, attacked shortly after their official home State was sanctioned by the United Nations, in 1948, then again in 1956, 1967, and 1973, all out wars declared on Israel, to wipe them off the face of the earth. Militarily, logistically, they simply did not have a chance of survival, but, Almighty God had promised that once He re-gathered them from the lands He had dispersed them to, they would NEVER again be dispersed. And this is the thorn in the side of the Arab nations that hate the Jews with everlasting hatred, which began thousands of years ago in the Old Testament with Isaac and Ishmael.

    This is only scratching the history of the Jewish people, and their ancient homeland, which they occupy, and will continue to do so, until the Lord Jesus Christ returns, which is very soon, as all that He said would transpire world-wide, as signs, are converging at an unprecendented rate.

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    Green Monkey

    October 5, 2008 at 12:12 am

    
    

    David,

    I was just curious whether or not you had watched architect Richard Gage’s (from http://www.ae911truth.org) 2hr presentation on 9/11 and the WTC collapses posted here:

    http://www.ae911truth.org/flashmov11.htm

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    Deng Xiaping

    October 5, 2008 at 5:34 am

    
    

    @Carlos
    I am assuming that you are an evangelical Pentecostal Christian. Can I take it that your views are shared by a majority of similarly labeled persons? In this regard, I am referring to the implied notion that the US Government was behind the 9-11 attacks to ultimately bring about the World AntiChrist Government. If so, can you explain why George W. Bush and the Republican party enjoys such strong support by US Protestant Christians?

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    David

    October 5, 2008 at 5:48 am

    
    

    @Green Monkey
     
    We viewed some of the video, it is 2 hours long!!!!

    You are correct, it raises a question mark about why the 3 towers would have collapsed into their footprints. The question is even more relevant for WTC 7 which was apparently affected by pelting debris. Why would this building (WTC&) have experienced an asymmetrical collapse? Maybe Micro Mock Engineer who has been good at debunking the conspiracy theory to day can give us some answers.

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    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 5, 2008 at 10:34 am

    
    

    Maybe Micro Mock Engineer who has been good at debunking the conspiracy theory to day can give us some answers.
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    David,

    Some debris was scattered quite far… like that which you can see in the video clips streaming away from the upper levels, and that which damaged building 7 and surrounding buildings… this was mainly due to the tremendous force exerted by collapsing upper levels. But for the most part, I agree with you and others here, the buildings did ‘collapse into their footprints’. It would have been impossible for them to do otherwise, as the amount of ‘tilt’ is restricted by the yield stress in the lower ‘pivot’ floors i.e. the lower section of the building could not support that big a shift in the centre of gravity of the upper sections, and therefore failed before the tilt became too pronounced.

    Look David… you see that 2 hour video Green Monkey bring forward… take my foolish advice, NEVER depend on an architect for advice on structural engineering matters… further, I highly discourage listening to one talk for two hours on a stretch 🙂

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    BABAFP

    October 5, 2008 at 11:01 am

    
    

    David, MME
    Burning Aircraft fuel and internal building materials like paper and cardboard and plastics do not generate nearly enough heat to melt construction steel. The firemen heard blasts. I’m still to watch the videos. Doubt they will change anything.

    Again follow the money… in other words, who stood to benefit more.

    Adolph Hitler many years ago knew that it was not in his interest to do anything that would give the US a reason to declare war on his country (so the US found a reason to declare war on a German ally instead). America’s position in the world after the war and its influence over Europe were significantly and forever changed.

    Destroying buildings where so many internationals worked would be straight up dumb if you wanted to gain sympathy for a cause. The Statue of liberty would have been a far better and doable choice.

    Declaring a “war without end” two weeks after the event against an enemy that cannot be seen is so very convenient for a country that has been at war consistently with one country or another for over a hundred years.

    Arabs think too you Bajan White extremeists.

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    freewilly.

    October 5, 2008 at 11:31 am

    
    

    Saw this over at BFP,you should watch this.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

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    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 5, 2008 at 11:46 am

    
    

    “Burning Aircraft fuel and internal building materials like paper and cardboard and plastics do not generate nearly enough heat to melt construction steel.”

    BABAFP… I have never said the fire was hot enough to melt steel… the steel structural members that were not directly damaged in the plane impact zone, were weakened by heat and subsequently buckled under redistributed loads. I encourage you to watch the short videos I posted, or read this link: http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
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    “The firemen heard blasts”

    Of course they heard ‘blasts’ from a collapsing building, but ALL of us within a half mile radius of the towers (which means all of us privelidged to have access to multiple live video recordings of the incident – both close-up and distant) would have heard several LOUD 150+ dB detonations in a controlled demolition. You can search for other video recordings of controlled demolitions to verify this if you haven’t had the opportunity to see one in person.
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    “Destroying buildings where so many internationals worked would be straight up dumb if you wanted to gain sympathy for a cause. ”

    I suppose, strapping explosives to a pregnant woman and sending her into a crowded market place of your own countrymen might also be considered by many to be “dumb if you wanted to gain sympathy for a cause”… oh wait… I know… maybe it wasn’t a real woman but a humanoid developed by the CIA to mimic a terrorist activity… or maybe they hired Spielberg to stage the whole thing and play it back for us in the Western media as prime time news. 🙂

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    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 5, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    
    

    I am trying this post one more time… maybe the flash links in the previous posts were causing them to get trapped in the BU spam filter. If this is the case you can delete my earlier posts David.
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    To MME, I agree with Nobel laureate Tagore, “I think that a mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it.” But, where is the proof that any reasonable person, is in fact doing this kind of illogical thinking?
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    Carlos,

    Finally, an area that I know a little bit about… unlike structural engineering and collapsing buildings 🙂

    The best way I can answer your question is through examples of visual illusion. You see, we generally think we are in control of the decisions we make, but quite often this is not really the case – we are severely limited (in the physical world) by our body’s cognitive ability. Our mind often plays tricks on us which cause us not only to make irrational decisions, but to do so repeatedly, seemingly incapable of learning from our ‘mistakes’. I can provide many complex examples and explanations to illustrate this, but I believe visual examples are the best for two reasons: (a) they are easily illustrated and (b) visual processing occupies a larger portion of our brain than any other activity (relatively speaking) and is often integral to decision making (except in the visually impaired of course). Further, if we are so poor with something as well developed (or well evolved 🙂 ) as vision… just imagine how poor we are at processing other stimuli necessary for logical decision making.

    Now for the fun part… take this Koffka Ring…
    Which half of the ring is darker?
    http://web.mit.edu/persci/gaz/gaz-teaching/flash/koffka.html

    Or one of my personal favorites…
    Which one of the checker squares is darker, A or B?
    http://web.mit.edu/persci/people/adelson/checkershadow_illusion.html

    Interestingly, no matter how rational or logical you are, you cannot force your brain to see ‘reality’ even when it is brought to your attention… and trust me… this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    But don’t be discouraged… this is, in fact, not a limitation… it is all part of what makes us the envy of the angels. 🙂

    This is the essence of Tagores statement… in fact, some angels didn’t take too kindly to it… but that’s another story 🙂

    All this reminds me… I haven’t seen Gabriel the Horn Blower for some time… still resting in Elysium?

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    Carlos

    October 5, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    
    

    @ Deng Xiaping, wrote:

    “I’m assuming that you are an evangelical Pentecostal Christian.”

    No, I carry or have no denominational ‘label’ as such, but, regarding my absolute belief in the ‘inerrancy’ of Scripture, I may be deemed an ‘Evangelical’ in this context.

    “Can I take it that your views are shared by the majority of similarly labeled persons.?”

    I most certainly cannot answer that question, as there are literally millions of evangelical Christians, who obviously hold differing views on this matter, and I am in no position to speak for them.

    Regarding the “…implied notion that the US Government was behind the 9-11 attacks to ultimately bring about the World Antichrist Government. If so can you explain why George W. Bush and the Republican party enjoy such strong support by US Protestant Christians?”

    I think it would be safe to say, that the fundamental reason(s) why Bush and the Republican party enjoy such strong support from US Protestants, is because of his strong position on ‘Pro-life’ plus of course his equally strong stance for the traditional view of marriage being between one man and one woman, which is obviously against the concept of same-sex unions.

    But, don’t also forget, that these same traditional views are equally held by Catholics and others as well.

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    Straight talk

    October 5, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    
    

    MME:

    At your urging I’ve watched RKOwens4 video again and seen somethings rather strange happening.

    Check the same footage at 1/4 speed in this same clip and please comment.

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4GINcwsjCAw&NR=1

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    BABAFP

    October 5, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    
    

    Come on man, Psy Ops and Black Ops activities are a nasty business and as ridiculous as you may want to make these types of acts sound, they do occur. In Iraq early in 2003 a number of British operatives were captured in Iraqi disguise. They were imprisoned and later busted out of jail by a British tank assault on the jail. I would have had them shot on the spot.

    I amazes me how easily the most intelligent amounts us fall so readily to Western media hype and dogma. Really are there any Euro-Barbadians out there who believe that the Arabs have nothing to do with 9-11. What..? I can’ hear you..?

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    Hopi

    October 5, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    
    

    Carlos……..
    Your views of “jews”, zionists and zionism are based on something that you have read in some book authored by someone(s) with agendas. Mine on the other hand is based on what I know and live. I look around me and I see it daily. So don’t bring me any history book. It seems as if you are one of these christian armageddonist who thinks that they can hasten the end of time and usher in your messiah. These same “jews/zionists” don’t even believe in the same God and principles as you Christians. They, just like the armageddonists have convinced too many of your kind that they are God’s chosen people and in the meantime they get to wreak havoc on planet earth. These beings that you seem to be defending are from the Khazar mountains. If you want to talk history maybe you should research that particular region. These people see you as nothing but goyim. You want to know how they got to take over Palestine – Balfour Declaration. How the hell can George Bush be pro-life when he has presided over the murder, rape, pillage, and desecration of the sanctity of human life with over one million deaths in his bogus war on terror. Tell that to the Iraqis, Afghans and Palestinians. How the hell can you be posting all this work here by Jeffrey Grant and you still can’t see the unseen hands behind humanity’s destruction. (You have eyes but you can’t see, ears but you can’t hear).

    They said that 19 arabs did this dastardly deed, yet more than half of them are alive and well. In the court of law, if a witness lied about one thing they are discredited on every other piece of evidence and the same applies here. The government was caught in one lie therefore the gov’t is a damn liar.

    BABAFP….
    You are right. Psy Ops and Black Ops are real. That’s how these criminals operate and from a few of the above postings the Psy Ops seem to be very efficacious.

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    BAFBFP

    October 5, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    
    

    Deng Xiaping

    Chinee I see you back.. It’s me!

    BABAFP is really me in disguise. BFP gi’ me two posts fa de’ week already. I tekkin’ on MME but don’ want he to know dat it’s me so I goin’ back in disguise. Black Ops.

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    Deng Xiaping

    October 5, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    
    

    Banned,
    I did wonder if you couldn’t spell but of course you can’t spell…why you don’t leave de nice white people alone? Wunnuh pan africanists need de Lord!

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    BAFBFP

    October 5, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    
    

    Chinee,
    I like pan cakes, but still gotta try a African to see what it taste like. These Bajan White people bout hey need a lil’ non-Christian orstandin’… like wha’ dey got in China nah! See BFP back pun wunna case again?… Even Hoad want you put out de country..

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    Deng Xiaping

    October 5, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    
    

    We trick Hoad, is does be de same chinee family driving bout, just different cars! He can’t tell de difference anyway.

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    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 5, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    
    

    ST,

    I won’t post any more video responses, but they are there for you to find if you search for them. In any event BU’s filter has blocked 3 earlier attempts to respond to Carlos… probably due to the links in my post.

    RKOwens4 painstakingly addressed all of these ‘mysteries’… including those in your new clip. I only posted a handful of his clips that related to specific issues raised previously, but you can go to his site and go through all of his material if you’re really interested in examining this from all angles. Again… don’t just search for the conspiracies… review the equally accessible scientific explanations (like those at RKOwens4’s site) and those of the several engineering institutions that have published papers on the subject… then weigh everything in the balance.

    … on my PSYOP salary, I probably can’t afford to spend much more time on this subject. 🙂

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    BAFBFP

    October 5, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    
    

    Incidentally my condolences to any of you related to the LE Williams Tour Bus tycoon. Never liked dah Williams boy from Mapps College, I could ride a tricycle faster than he, but that doesn’t mean that I cannot pay respects to his Dad. RIP.

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    BAFBFP

    October 5, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    
    

    Chinee,
    Pleople like me and Hoad think that all ah you look the same anyway… So that is why we get trick so easy…

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    Micro Mock Engineer

    October 5, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    
    

    David… you can delete my 9:57 and 10:30 posts as they are repeated again at 12;09. I thought something was wrong with my browser and sent it three times in error.

    Done!

    David

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    BAFBFP

    October 5, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    
    

    I am going through the videos now but MME is ready to depart so I must say this before he goes. If all the technical evidence suggests that the “conspiracies’ were wrong, why then is there such a need to cover up and not present all this information at the hearing all those years afterwards? Incidentally, surely outside of the realm of structural engineering, how is it possible to find a passport in all that rubble two days afterwards that would implicate a ‘suspect’ (oh yeah… forgot about the documents in a car in the car park as well). But then there are about five hundred other questions as simple as the ones above which will just be ignored by the technocrats..

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    Straight talk

    October 5, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    
    

    MME:
    I’m so sorry your justification of the Bush conspiracy theory ( 19 arabs from a cave breached the most heavily defended areas of the US ) found no supporters, except the nondescript RK Owens4, I would have hoped you had a better defence of your opinions.

    But absent of contrary definitive evidence, the case for a proper non-partisan investigation of what really happened on 9/11 is not only necessary, but essential, if US governments retain any credibility.

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    BAFBFP

    October 5, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    
    

    ST,
    What credibility? Why is it so simple to attribute nice things to Western Interests when in fact historical accounts reflect so little in that regard.

    What pisses me off in discussions like this is that it always drives home the fact that Western countries can litteraly do shight and get away with it, with the fullest support of the local members of the diaspora.

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