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We have linked to the Keltruth Blog to update this story. If some of us felt that the Kingsland Estate trial ongoing in Canada is not news worthy enough for the traditional media, maybe it has now become so. If we understand Keltruth latest blog right, they have sent letters to all the world leaders attending the United Nations 63rd General Assembly in New York today (23 September 2008).

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Vivian Anne Gittens: Chief Executive Officer of the Nation Corporation-Source:Nation Newspaper

Barbadians read in today’s Nation newspaper (September 07, 2008) that “VIVIAN ANNE GITTENS, CEO of the Nation Publishing Co. Ltd, has been appointed head of The Nation Group.” For what it is worth we congratulate her on being admitted to the old-boys club. She will now join the Patriarch and Chairman of the club Sir Fred Gollop on the board of directors of the parent company One Caribbean Media Limited (OCM). We did a quick check of the Nation circulation numbers and we have not detected any appreciable movement upwards. We also recall that that early in 2008 advertising rates and the cost of the newspaper increased. We also remember that the Nation refused to print several stories scooped by the blogs, the most notable was the 3S/Jonathon Danos story.

What we are saying to the BU family is that it seems Vivian Anne Gittens has been rewarded for propping-up the status quo, and the old boys club has rewarded her handsomely. We cannot find any innovative initiative which has been promoted by Mrs. Gittensย  reflected in the content and layout of the newspaper or in its recruitment practice, truly amazing. Let us not forget that under her leadership the Nation has pissed-off the current government while in Opposition and this is now being reflected by the significant advertising revenue being deflected to the Advocate newspaperย  by the government.

It seems that the Democratic Labour Party now in government remember some of the shenanigans by the Nation newspaper which took place in the build-up to the January 2008 general elections.

Most amazing is the fact that a veritable Who-is-Who of Barbados which includes Prime Minister David Thompson, as well as former Prime Minister Owen Arthur and Chief Justice David Simmons have been hauled before the Canadian Court to answer a law suit, and the Barbados media has turned a blind eye. We have decided to to allocate greater blame to the Nation and her sister companies because they have the lion’s share of the media market in Barbados.

We are sure that some members of the BU family have been following the Kingsland, Classic, Nelson Barbados Limited Affair with interest. Whether one is for, against or neutral it behooves the media of Barbados to acquaint Barbadians about this most unusual development. We cannot accept that the reason this case has not been picked up by the local media has to do with a dearth in legal competencies in the journalistic profession.

We asked a member of the BU family who is versed in the unusual court case the following question:

Do you think the Bajan media should be highlighting/exposing this case to Barbadians, or is there merit for them to retreat in the cloak that the matter is sub judice?

Here was their lucid response:

Part (i)

David, do I think it is a matter that ought to be covered by the โ€œlegitimateโ€ organs of the press? Hell yes. Do I think it will be? No. I think the biggest problem is that, unlike some of the blogs, the reporters for the โ€œlegitimateโ€ press lack the necessary qualifications IN THIS AREA to do other than make a hash of any report they may write. Look at the mess that Patrick Hoyos made of those very subjective and biased reports from the Privy Council – having read them and that judgment, one wonders if Mr. Hoyos was in the correct court.

Sub judice. Wonโ€™t fly here as an excuse for the local Bajan press. There can be no impropriety in reporting a case that is sub judice, not in Barbados, but in Canada. I think they have a duty to report it – a regional duty, since I understand that Almighty Allard has shifted the sphere of his operations to our sister islands of Dominica and Grenada. They ought to be warned. Next thing you know, you will have Stuart Heaslet telephoning highly placed people in those islands from Peter Allardโ€™s property seeking to entrap them.

So, sub judice does not an excuse make for the local โ€œlegitimateโ€ press. Not in the Canadian case. In a Barbados one, yes. But this is not a Bajan case.

This is a case where it could happen to ANY Bajan or Grenadian or Dominican. It has happened here and the press has to report it as a warning. Will it? NO. Even though they all have lawyers who can advise them on matters of defamation.

Part (ii)

David, after writing my reply to yours, I went out shopping and all the time your question stuck with me. I have to ask you this: If Canada and its PM and opposition leader and A-G and CJ were being sued in the Barbados courts, do you think tha the Canadian press would be in the slightest bit reticent about carrying full reports on it? I think that all the Canadian TV and radio networks and all the major papers would carry the story and commentaries and expert opinions. They would not be bound by the sub judice principal, simply because the action was filed in Barbados. So, since this case is the other way round, why are our TV and radio and newspapers hiding behind the sub judice excuse? I do not understand. Do you?

I think it ought to be aired fully and not the one sided reports that made me suspicious as hell with photos of Madge and chickens pretending to be something she is not, never was and never will be – and, of course, the Hoyos reports before, during and after the Privy Council hearing.

By the way, question. I forget whether it was the Advocate or the Nation that carried the daily Hoyos reports from London from the Privy Council, but I find it so difficult to believe that either Advocate or Nation paid for Hoyosโ€™ trip. Did he pay for it himself, or was it a kind benefactor or โ€œphilanthropistโ€ who paid for that?

While our mainstream media maintains the status quo, the blogs in our David versus Goliath like manner continue to fight the good fight.


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96 responses to “Barbados Media Turns Blind Eye To Prime Minister being Sued In Canada”


  1. Vivian Anne Gittens is no different to Vic Fernandes, Fred Gollop and their ilk, I would like to remind you of their improper actions during the elections by deciding what they were not going to run in terms of advertisements and which they were not, whereas the Advocate ran each and everyone of the Adverts presented to them and never had to go before the courts for any one of the adverts.

    The Nation has long been the control medium and tool used by the blp to influence the thinking of Bajans very much the same way the VOB is being used on Fridays presently by the blp to gain a political advantage that is not available or near to hand, please do not fool the public with the crap that it is a paid political advertisement utter rubbish this is done to give it (the VOB) creditabilty.

    I fully support the ruling party for directing more of their business towards the Advocate and away from the PR arm of the blp the ONE MEDIA BARBADOS GROUP.

    At some stage along the way they will realise that we changed the guard on 15th Jan 2008 hopefully the message will sink in before the next elections are held, oh did I hear them saying that they wanted a TV operation ?????? Wow we wait to see how that works out!!!!


  2. As was sent to BFP for posting, thought I would post it here as well to let people understand that the Gov’t has a country to run and it cannot run it on the whims and fancies ones like the scout and company, good work is being done everyday, look at the massive improvements in the road works in outlying areas in CH CH etc, the delivery of houses to those most in need as was shown in the paper this weekend, the halting of corruption and fraud in Gov’t, the free rides to each and every student to their schools, the correction of the gross indecent manner of the ZR culture that has now changed.

    There is a massive about turn being made and it has started with the leadership of the country, full praise should be showered on them for having the balls to make the hard decisions that needed to be made, such as the firing of the 30 leeches called consultants that were raping our treasury allowed and catered for by Owing See Thru Arthur.

    Let me suggest to you that the real reason that the article was pulled from the Nation was that during the election period the DLP were unfairly treated by removing one of the parties writers but they refused to stop Ezra Alleyne and the party felt undone by the injustice and having since won the elections the stories are now carried in the Advocate and no longer in the Nation, simple as that not rocket science just simple stuff.

    They are many other instances of maltreatment by the group towards the DLP and if the ruling party is not happy advertising or being in bed as was the blp were in bed with ONE MEDIA then they are 100 % FREE TO CHOOSE WHERE THEY SPEND THEIR ADVERTISING DOLLARS.

    As for the good things that have been done since the 15 th Jan I leave that for your sensible, logical brilliant minds to work out and if you are honest with yourself you will come up with the right answers, for one the gov’t recently signed off on a MASSIVE project that will see an inflow to the tune of US $ 350 MILLION beginning in November, speak about what is factual and of which you know rather than ramble and spread mistruths and lies.


  3. “the delivery of houses to those most in need as was shown in the paper this weekend, ”

    *****************************************
    The paper? Which one? The Nation or the Advocate?

    You f_cking idiot!


  4. Ooops!! Somebody getting mad!!

    I’m impressed by the academic and other qualifications of this lady and am hopeful, for her doing-good for Bim!! Not to mention, she’s a damn, fine, looking lady!!

    Incidentally, I can’t recall the former editor/owner being any more revelatory, in his news coverage!!


  5. Dear WIshing in Vain:

    But we the people are still not buying the Advocate and the DLP can’t make us do so; so we are not seeing yur message.

    If you want to get yor message across to we the people you will have to run the column in the Nation.

    Unless you are happy shooting yourself in the foot.

    ANd if I was a highly placed “media consultant” I would charge you for this advice, but as it is only J you can have it for free.


  6. And Dear WIV:

    Can you answer 2 teeny, tiny questions for me?

    How much is consultant Hartley Henry paid?

    And is the PM still accepting “free” rides in Clico’s aeroplane?

    I am neither D nor B. Just one of the people.


  7. Dear BY:

    Mosr Bajans find the Kingsland/Classic/Nelson Barbados affair B00orrrrriiiiiinnnnngggg.

    The whole thing reminds us of one of those sad women who insists on recalling all the faults of her divorced husband, even years and years after the divorce. You know the kind. When her phone number pops up on the call display you do not answer the phone.

    We did not care about her mariage, we do not care about her divorce, we are sick and tired of hearing about the same old, same old, family quabble. She might find it of all consuming interest. But the rest of us get tired of hearingthe monotonous details of a family squabble.

    That’s why the main stream media is not carrying the case.

    They do not want to alienate their readers.

    Sub judice what.


  8. @J

    You must know that a newspaper or media house is in the business of relaying NEWS. It is not up to the editor to decide what will be boring for its readership or not. Maybe it is this attitude which has seen media houses in Barbados manipulating the news. This is an insult to Barbadians who argue all the time that we are so educated.

    The other point which BWWR makes in their response to our question is the simple fact that if the Who-Is Who of any country were being sued in or outside of their jurisdiction it would be considered as NEWS. Maybe this is why we are struggling to produce LEADERS in Barbados and the region as a whole.

    We are aware that the SMUT syndrome is alive and well. When the BU household blog on a topic we can always anticipate the topics which will be popular and the ones which will be down the list. Surprising ly the Kingsland topic has been receiving its fair share of hits despite your assertion.

    Finally the blog is less about Kingsland and more about cracks in the local media. Barbadians need to wake up.


  9. Your comments on J, please, Anonymous? By the way, I agreed with the first one you posted on this particular story, Anonymous. We had better watch it and not agree quite so much, otherwise someone will accuse us both of being Pat.

    My feeling is that of course J is right on the Kingsland issue. It is a booooring subject, as the petulant and childish J has said. However boring it is, though, it is of national importance simply because Barbados is being sued overseas.

    Anyway, let me address the comments of Wishing in Vain. When any new government takes over, it is landed with a whole lot of assets and liabilities from the previous government. Naturally, the new government will claim as its own these assets, while blaming the liabilities on the old government. Hopefully, the only people they fool is themselves. But clearly Wishing In Vain has not escaped this “fiction”. Let me see if anyone can help me to work out a hypothetical time-frame to: (a) Bring to Cabinet and get approval for the acquisition of land and set aside the financing; (b) Invoke the Land Acquisition legislation; (c) Carry out title searches; (d) Draw conveyances; (e) Have architects plans drawn and approved; (f) Quantity surveyorsโ€™ reports; (g) construction. And the list goes on and on. Now who thinks this can be done in 8 months? If anyone, please refer to what Anonymous called Wishing in Vain. It applies to you too.

    Anonymous, this meeting of minds between us is getting out of hand.

    I believe that the electorate owes it to itself to change parties in power every 10 years or so, regardless. So it was time for the DLP. I do not think that ANY government ought to be judged until it has been in power for longer than 18 months. We, most of us including myself, voted for David Thompson for (a) a change and (b) because we believed that he would act in good faith. I thought that his deadlines were too ambitious at the time of the electioneering and so too I think did most. However, we thought that he would carry out his promises. I still do. Therefore, I think we need to cut him some slack. The man is showing considerable promise. Let him get on with the job he promised to do โ€“ and if he is a little late, who cares as long as he delivers.

    But this report of BU is not about David or Owen or any of that. It is about the “legitimate” press, or in the case of Barbados, the gutter press masquerading as legitimate press. That is what BU in its article addresses. Barbados has no legitimate press and that is what BU is complaining about. BU is simply using as an EXAMPLE, because it is well documented, the Kingsland issue. Please accord BU the credit of realizing that it is complaining about a GENERAL malaise or lack.

    The individual press organizations in every democratic country usually have each their individual political bias or agenda. We cannot point accusatory fingers at ours in Barbados on this basis. However, we can ask why external, international matters in which Barbados is embroiled are not reported on, unless they are sports-related. We most certainly should ask why stories reported in foreign newspapers are suddenly regurgitated by the Barbados press several months after they took place (and were reported by the blogs) as if they were current news, while stories that affect Barbados internationally the resources to write which all reside in Barbados, remain unreported.

    It doesn’t take much to go on to google and enter Barbados and refine your search to newspaper reports about Barbados and then check the damned dates to find out if they are current or history and, if current, do some research – probably even make a few overseas telephone calls and conduct a few interviews and then write an article. That, of course, takes time and it appears that their time is not what Barbadosโ€™ “legitimate” reporters get paid for. It IS what in the rest of the world people buy papers for. And does it make a difference? Look at Watergate and then you tell me. In Barbados, however, we are saddled with useless news organizations staffed by wannabe sports reporters that, frankly, could not get a job even as sports reporters anywhere else.

    As for you, J, not that it makes any difference, but having read what you had to say (and I don’t mean about Kingsland as I agree with you on your points, but NOT your conclusion that you are bored by a case in which Barbados is sued in Canada) I am telling my family and friends that I won’t be reading the Nation any longer. If I am going to read trash, I would rather it be trash that reflects the government in power. If (and more likely when) the BLP gets back in power and the Nation is still its mouthpiece, then I will read it again. Until then for real news and real discussions, I will google Barbados and also read the responsible blogs like BU.

    Sub judice? Well, J, like the gutter press Nation, you wouldnโ€™t know what sub judice meant if it jumped up and bit you on the backside and in these days of the internet, that is truly sad, man.


  10. David, I was composing ast the same time as you. Except you said it better and in fewer words than I did. It was NEVER about Kingsland per se, but ALWAYS about Barbados being sued in Canada, along with its CJ and PM and opposition leader and A-G etc. and NOT being reported in the Barbados press. In other words, not the content, but the principle.


  11. Dear BWWH:

    “It is not up to the editor to decide what will be boring for its readership or not.”

    And you are EXACTLY wrong.

    It is up to the editor to decide what the readership wold like to read.

    That’s exactly what editors are paid to do.


  12. Dear David:

    Can you provide me with the links to the Canadian newspapers and or magazines which are carrying the Kingsland affair or is the Canadian media a “lapdog” press too?

    Sincerely

    J


  13. @J

    Your last comment shows you missed the point of this blog. Do you think any Canadian newspapers care about a 2×3 country in the Caribbean being sued? No Siree, it is for us to care because it our little country which we are proud as hell about and we need to be prinicpled in what we are doing.

    The Editor’s job is to report the news. The Prime Minister and the corp of other Who-is-Who being sued in Canada is news. What the Editor needs to determine is what prominence is given to this story. it is that simple. Remember the 3S story? The Barbados editors were literally driven to report the story.

    Let us agree to disagree on this J, we usually agree.


  14. Well said, David. As you know, it is not just the Kingsland issue – there are others. We need to have the press get rid of the sub judice excuse in cases where it simply does not apply. It is NOT an excuse that is available to them like some sort of universal mantra. Reporting on a matter before the Canadian courts is not sub judice in Barbados. And who knows – if they do a proper balanced job (and I don’t mean just reading the things I have posted, but gaining access to it all and publishing a balanced and supported report, there is a good possibility that for once, instead of the Bajan “press” foraging for stories from the press in other countries, they might well themselves be quoted. But they have to keep their eye on the ball and talk in terms of the country of Barbados and its public officials, not in terms of pseudo egg-gathering old women and their equally elderly and litigious siblings.

    The documents are all public domain. The “press” can go and order copies from the Registry. Ask for the pleadings in High Court Action No. 1805 of 1998 and its appeals (CA 17 of 2001 – I think) and I cannot believe that the press has not got access to one of the defendants and can obtain copies of all correspondence and pleadings in the Canadian action. That done, then ask for references for the other cases pending and determined in this case before the Barbados courts. Sit and read them and, if unclear, go to one of those lawyers that all the news media have on retainer and ask for assistance (so long as they are not conflicted) and then write your report. It takes time and work – but isn’t that what reporters are paid for?

    Do that with one and then the others that the press is also failing to report will not seem so daunting and FINALLY we will have news reports to export, instead of always having to import.


  15. J: I would not pay one thin dime for any advice proferred by you. What makes you think it has any monetary value? Secondly, you are one of these individuals that is always speakinf for others under the auspices of you know best. You do not speak for me and I daresay you do not speak for many of the other posters in BU.
    Finally, kindly refrain from telling posters who you do not agree with to stop posting on BU, it is not your position to do so.


  16. Anon27, is it the weather or the stars or menopause (male or female) or what? Or is it that I am misreading everything?

    I can see no justification whatsoever for your attack on J. I admit that J’s opinions and my own are completely at odds on this one, but I see none of the arrogance or attempted manipulation in those opinions that clearly you do. I merely see someone with a passionate opinion who has stated it and given me some licks and taken some licks from me. We disagree, but I certainly admire the passion and defend the right to these b*** s*** opinions of J. Maybe you would like to favour us with YOUR opinions on the issue of the press, rather than attacking someone simply for stating their opinion.

    David, what is it? Weather? Eclipse? If menopause, thank the Lord I am way past that.


  17. Thanks all, but no need to defend me, I can hold my lashes.


  18. Glad to hear it, J. Cause on this one I got plenty to hand out – and probably tek too. I love a good passionate argument. Keeps me young – well, the brain working, at least.


  19. Dear David:

    I still disagree with your statement that “The Editorโ€™s job is to report the news. ”

    SO WHAT IS THE NEWS?

    If a tree fell in Turners’ Hall Woods this morning at 7:15 is that news?

    If a tree fell in the middle of Broad Street this morning at 7:15 is that news?

    If 10,000 women in the U.S. named Sarah give birth to babies this year is that news?

    If one Sarah [Palin] gives birth to a baby this year is that news?

    BWWR you may be a lawyer who enjoys reading such things as “Court Action No. 1805 of 1998 and its appeals (CA 17 of 2001 ) but the rest of us ordinary Joe’s and Jane’s do not find the minutae of what is essentially a family qurrel that has played out for far, far, far too long at all interesting.

    The Nation and the Advocate are general interest papers – they are not legal journals – the general readship does not want to be bored to death by this non-news. An d I thank the editors of both papers for exercising good editorial judgement and not subjecting us to the details of “”Court Action No. 1805 of 1998 and its appeals (CA 17 of 2001” and such like.

    Thanks Nation.

    Thanks Advocate.


  20. So J, I still have not gotten over this one.

    You say it is not news that we have recently found out that the government took some land from some people, owes $22 million of your and my tax money to Philip Greaves, David Simmons and Lord only knows who else, since 1990 and has not paid it.

    I do not agree that this is not news and I want to know the whole story. I want to know how they are spending the money I work so hard for and have to give to the government for the politicians to do these secret deals and I WANT IT STOPPED.


  21. Tell me, J, are you one of these Nation or Advocate reporters of whom we are complaining and who do such a piss poor job? I would have said so. You are trying to trivialize the whole thing. More accurately, you are taking a matter that once was trivial (a family feud) that has been expanded to include the Country of Barbados and involve it as a defendant in an action in Canada. So, for the sake of argument, let us use your criteria:

    Bajan men named David x 2 and Owen are sued in court in Canada. Is that news in Barbados? Well, it might be to your friends at the Advocate and the Nation. You can see the headlines and read the inane rubbish that passes for reporting on these two papers: BAJANS SUED IN CANADA. That is largely of no interest to anyone in Barbados, other than friends, detractors and family of those particular Bajans named David x2 and Owen. About maybe 100 people in all.

    HOWEVER, David No. 1 is Prime Minister of Barbados, David No. 2 of Chief Justice of Barbados and Owen is a former Prime Minister of Barbados. Is that news? Well, if you ask people you will find that 99% of Bajans would definitely find that to be news – and guess what – they would want to know a lot more about it.

    The Advocate and the Nation would scratch their heads and consider for several months which of these happened to be news – and then print the story of interest to 100 people, rather than that of interest to 99% of Bajans – and that is Bajans worldwide.

    When you, J, and the Advocate and the Nation were then asked on what basis the “editorial” decision was made as to what was news and what was not, I would be prepared to bet that you would defend your position for covering the first story as being “of human interest” and when asked to justify not printing the second one, you would without missing a beat say, “But that is sub judice”.

    J, chile I don’t know if you are a reporter or newspaper man or not. But if not, you need to apply to the Advocate and the Nation for a job as managing editor. You would fit in with their policies PERFECTLY.

    What we are saying is that the duty (and you can look on this as the newspapers’ equivalent of the Hippocatic Oath) of the news media is to report the news that affects the nation and its people. That is objectives Nos 1-95. Objectives Nos. 96 to 100 are human interest, school sports etc. However, for reasons we cannot (and hope never) to understand, the Advocate and the Nation have reversed this order completely.

    Well, son, if you are happy with that, good for you. Many of us are NOT happy with that. We feel that the Advocate and the Nation are in substantial breach of their duty to us. And don’t ask me who “we” is as if you think I have not discussed this a great deal with like-minded Bajans.

    But never mind. Each and every one of us has days when we take stupid pills. You are not alone.


  22. Dear BWWR:

    I have never worked for any media house in my life.

    I have no shares in any media house either.

    If the Canadian court makes a decision against a high ranking Bajan official (or former high ranking official) then THAT will be news.

    If the Canadian court imposes a sentence of such Bajan officials THAT would certainly be news.

    If the Canadian court is able to enforce that decision against said Bajan official then THAT will MOST CERTAINLY be news.

    When Bajan official pays fine /compensation or is extradited from Barbados and begins serving term in Canadian jail, that would be BIG, BIG news indeed.

    Be patient. Your story may yet garner the front page.

    However I have done a careful search of Canadian newspapers and magazines, and I find no mention of the Kingsland affair.

    If the Canadian media thought that it was serious news that 2 Bajan Prime Ministers and a Bajan Chief Justice are being sued in a Canadian court don’t you think that they would report it?

    My question to you again. Is the Canadian media the “lapdog” press too?

    Canada is a big place, but still I would have thought that the Canadian media would report that not one, but 2 Bajan Prime Ministers and the Chief Justice of a fellow Commonwealth country are being sued?

    Oh by the way. I agree with you that the Canadian case is not sub-judice in Barbados and that the Bajan media can comment freely on it if they so choose.

    However since the parties to this case obviously have a huge fondnes for litigation, I expect that the media is exercising an abundance of caution, since it may well happen that act twenty-eleven of this case is yet to be heard in Barbados’ courts.


  23. David, what’s happened to my post, my friend!!


  24. Hi David, just realised that this is the wrong discussion!! My fault, THIS time!! ๐Ÿ™‚


  25. Dear Anon27:

    I always give it (the advice) away free.


  26. @J

    We suggest that you check the role of the Fourth Estate in Wikepedia.

    What is deemed news in Canada may not garner such attention in Barbados. Also remember Barbados is regarded as insignificant in world affairs.

    Please put this blog in the context of media coverage in Barbados which has been shortchanging the PEOPLE.


  27. The local media would have to be careful in what it reported, anyway. Claims made in pleadings are not necesaarily truth and if the local press were to publish them, they would have to prove them true to avoid an action for defamation. The local press have been properly advised.


  28. Could it be that life in Bim is so wonderful and exciting that nobody gives a damn who is suing who, where!!


  29. Yes Bimbro.


  30. @ J

    The reason why you would not find the case covered by the Canadian National media and News Magazines is that the case is being conducted in small town Ontario. Not even a City. What happens in those small towns is local news, not national news, unless someone got murdered or raped, etc.

    Now, if the case was being held in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal or Vancouver, you bet your sweet bippy it would be BIG NEWS! Because there are national court reporters for all the dailies and news stations covering those court houses.

    And J, as a citizen and resident of Barbados, you too, are being sued. Just think about it.


  31. Pat says, “And J, as a citizen and resident of Barbados, you too, are being sued. Just think about it.”

    And we all paying for it but some people still saying it is not newsworthy in Barbados.


  32. Dear Pat:

    I did not say Canadian National media.

    I said Canadian media (I was including small town newspapers too)


  33. She was promoted for keeping her mouth shut.


  34. @J

    You wont find those on the net.

    @Anon

    I agree and probably for not reporting the reportable.


  35. We are still shaking our head in amazement that J would not think that a suit brought against prominent Barbadians which include the Prime Minister and Chief Justice is not news. Even if we agree that it is not news the fact that the suit itself and legal fees will stretch into the millions and cost taxpayers still would not make it news?

    Surely!!!

    @EQUITY
    Surely you are being provocative? Even if we agree with you that it is risky for the media to rely on the court documents/pleading etc, is it not a fact that there is a law suit? Do you agree that this is news which can be printed/broadcasted. Is it news when the court hands down a decision? There have been quite a few in recent months.

    Have we made the point EQUITY?


  36. There are always 2 or more parties to a lawsuit.

    So who is it that has decided to sue me as a citizen of Barbados?

    Who is it that is so willing to suck up my tax dollars?

    Who has been party to permitting a family dispute to get way, way , way out of hand?

    Dear Pat: I am a fairly competent internet searcher, my skills go a bit beyond google and wikipedia. I can find very small town newspapers on the net.


  37. David @ BU

    Don’t hold your breath for any of the Fourth Estate to write about this Canadian case since this entire episode is filled with questionable innuendos and libelous statements that will allow plaintiffs to go smiling widely to the bank.

    On another note, I saw the Advocate making a statement on the today’s front page stating that numerous letter writers accused the BLP for a lengthy article compared to the DLP and how he will print articles from these critics. What utter garbage by a mainline newspaper. After reading these articles and reading between the line, you can firmly state that these articles come from one writer. This is what you call poor journalism. Writing 300 words to fill a 200 word space is the full responsible of the publisher who can cut the article after informing the writer or allowing it to run-over on another page. It is not how long the article which was submitted by the Bees, but how short the article submitted by the Dees. This is the first time that I ever saw or heard a newspaper receiving so many letters as stated by the Advocate for an unimportant article that might be read by less than 500 people. Come again Bry Bry.


  38. As BWWR commented the point about the Barbados media not publishing the law suit was to make a bigger point which is not being discussed. The role of the media in Barbados and is it short-changing the Barbadian public. Both BU and BFP have cited many examples where traditional media need to step up to the plate.

    Here is what we would like to know while we are at it. How many cash settlements have the Nation, VOB had with politicians? How many of those politicians were Barbados Labour Party versus Democratic Labour Party personnel? Who were the lawyers who represented VOB and the Nation newspaper.

    We think the answers should make for interesting reading.


  39. J // September 8, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Yes Bimbro.

    *************

    Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! That’s a good, one J!! I must come an live day, den!!

    Lorddddddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  40. The old saying “There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see” is appropriate here.

    Let me answer a few points:

    The press in Canada can claim sub judice in the Canadian case simply because that is where the case is taking place. The Barbados press cannot. So why isn’t the fact that Barbados and its top executives are being sued in Canada being reported in Barbados? I now have friends calling me on a daily basis for updates. They are not involved in the case, other than as concerned Bajans whose country is being sued. Should they not be able to get their information from the press? Or must they, Bajans all, be kept in ignorance of the whole issue?

    If a lawsuit is filed in Barbados, it is public domain once filed. There is nothing to prevent the press stating that it has been filed and setting out the grounds, so long as it uses the word “alleged” and sticks strictly to “fair comment” and ensure that there is no ill-will or malice in the report. In any event, each of the two newspapers have on retainer lawyers to look over copy and report back with changes if there is any defamation – and fair comment is NOT defamation. See later.

    I agree with David. I hadn’t thought of it before, but I would love to know who the lawyers for the news media in Barbados actually are. I know for sure that Sir Henry Forde used to be one of them.

    So, into the sub judice coverup, let us use the protection NEVER used by the Barbados press. FAIR COMMENT. I suspect that the jackasses round here masquerading as reporters have never even heard the phrase. Allow us to assist, with a little help from Wikipedia:

    โ€œFair comment is a legal term for a common law defense in defamation cases (libel or slander).

    In the United States, the traditional privilege of “fair comment” is seen as a protection for robust, even outrageous published or spoken opinions about public officials and public figures. Fair comment is defined as a “common law defense [that] guarantees the freedom of the press to express statements on matters of public interest, as long as the statements are not made with ill will, spite, or with the intent to harm the plaintiff……….”

    In Canada, for something to constitute fair comment, the comment must be on a matter of public interest (excluding gossip), a fair and honest expression of the author’s opinion, based on known and provable facts, and with no actual malice underlying it. [That lets out BFP and Keltruth] The cardinal test of whether a statement is fair comment is whether the author honestly believed the opinion, and whether it could be drawn from the known facts. It should also be obvious that the comment is an opinion and is not purporting to be a fact (Crawford 2002, pp. 48-52). (See Chernesky v. Armadale Publications Ltd. [1978] 6 W.W.R. 618 (S.C.C.))

    Now, to see how โ€œFair Comment impacts on the press of countries other than Canada and the USA, look up http://www.worldlii.org and enter โ€œfair commentโ€ into its search engine. You will then be confronted with the mind-blowing, unbelievable extent of the delinquency and breach of public duty of the so-called โ€œlegitimate Bajan pressโ€.

    I am astounded, David, that a discussion of this importance and scope (which is not about Kingsland and Madge Knox etc., as you said, David, but has far greater implications) has been so trivialized by someone like J. J, chile, you have to give me the name of your brand of your stupid pills. I have seen brands like Ostrich, Apathy, Ignorance, Disinterest โ€“ the lot. I have heard of, but never seen until probably now, the effects of the pill called โ€œHead Up Fundamental Orificeโ€, that the vulgar call โ€œHead Up Assโ€, which I suspect is the one you are on – they are the strongest and most effective and I understand very popular with goats of all lands and Barbadosโ€™ โ€œlegitimateโ€ journalists. Et tu, J.

    Bimbro, a pleasure as always to hear from you. Forget BFP. They have no sense of humour. They, like good old Keltruth, are continuously outraged and, as a duty to their Canadian backer, they intend to keep (but seemingly fail to keep) all their readers outraged as well. And that is on ALL subjects. How can you expect them to allow you to inject levity into their agenda and their blog?


  41. BWWR: I must say that I’m quite amused at seeing you castigate “J” not once, but twice, right after you called me out for doing the same.
    Perhaps both have you have been feeding from the same trough of stupid pills.


  42. Anon, let me assure you that I would never share my trough.


  43. Dear BWWR:

    You still haven’t answered my questions so I’ll repeat them:

    1. So who is it that has decided to sue me as a citizen of Barbados?

    2. Who is it that is so willing to suck up my tax dollars?

    3. Who has been party to permitting a family dispute to get way, way , way out of hand?

    Why don’t you answer these very REASONABLE questions instead of being so rude as to accuse me of having “โ€œHead Up Assโ€

    I find that when unreasonable people cannot answer REASONABLE questions they tend to resort to vulgarity.

    Dear BWWR I hope that such is not the case with you.


  44. Dear J,

    I have written now about 10 reports on the ongoing progress of this case and answered cross-examination with document-backed statements. In those you will find the answers to your questions. Indeed, you need oly look at the style of cause on the court documents and you will have answered the first one you here enumerate.

    If your head is not up your ass, I apologise, but it sure as hell is up someone’s. Remove it, read what has already been written and stop wasting time.

    By the way, your questions are not reasonable and I have not resorted of vulgarity, but to FACT. When you grow up, you will have learned that there is a difference – like that between sub judice and fair comment.


  45. BWWR,

    Fair comment or comment as it is now called here is a defence; it does not prevent an action being brought. In any case, (fair) comment only protects statements of opinion, not purported fact, such as pleadings. See the case of Brewster v Trinidad Pblishing (1999). Besides publishing that the action has been brought, there is little else local newspapers can do.


  46. It s my understanding that the Fraud action brought by Iain Deane and Colin’s estate against Madge Knox is to be heard in open court in Barbados January 22nd and 23rd. This is an important case from the point of view of the Ontario action, for, if the Barbados court declares that Madge has fraudulently sought to transfer her shares in Kingsland and voids the transfer, Nelson can then not claim standing to bring its action in Ontario.

    Now, as it is in open court and given its importance to an action in which Barbados and its top executives are sued in Canada, I wonder if the “legitimate” news media are actually going to send a reporter or two (or more) to attend the hearing. Or if you will all need to visit BU and read about it there. And you have my word that reports WILL be posted to David.

    A step further. I wonder if the “legitimate” news media will bother to report the decision of the Honourable Court? Be very sure that I have already asked for a copy the moment it is available and will send it to BU.

    In this way, BU will have been enabled to fulfill a job shirked by the “legitimate” news media, whose reporters, management and counsel appear to be confused about what constitutes “fair comment” and what constitutes “sub judice”. And the BU family will be in the know as to whether we Bajans and our country continue to be sued over Kingsland Estates Limited by an overseas corporation that has no interest in Kingsland and therefore no standing or right to bring the action.


  47. I asked a few days ago (and maybe Pat is working on it for me) if someone could give me the names of the Ontario newspapers/magazines in which this matter has been published. Please provide the dates and page numbers as well. Thank you.


  48. BWWR has written “If your head is not up your ass, I apologise, but it sure as hell is up someoneโ€™s. ”

    Bear in mind that I am a disinterested citizen asking fairly straight forward questions.

    And then BWWR writes “I have not resorted of vulgarity”

    All because I asked 3 questions.

    Why is it then that BWWR is surprised that the local media is “ignoring” this case.

    Maybe the quick resort to what most DECENT people would consider vulgarity has also got to the local media.

    And yes indeedy I do know the difference between sub judice and fair comment.


  49. @J

    I did not know you wanted me to do any searches. Do not have the time right now. Preserving my veggies for winter. However, BWWR just explained why the Canadian press may not cover it. They can claim sub judice as the case is filed and being heard in Canada.

    It may also be that these small dailies do not have the resources to load everything up on their websites, if they have one. The Nation News does not and that is a national paper.

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