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A reckoning for social justice is unfolding in Barbados. Unlike the USA earlier this year where it was prompted by police brutality and death, in Barbados the reckoning has been prompted by labour unrest.

Working Class Inclusion in the Social Partnership

In an address on World Day of Social Justice on February 20th 2020, the Minister of Labour Colin Jordan spoke on the topic “Closing the Inequalities Gap to Achieve Social Justice”. In that address he stated, “social justice connotes an environment where there is equity and fairness, no one is marginalized, exploited or discriminated against, there is no poverty, there are equal gender opportunities, and there is no infringement of human rights” and “social justice will be achieved through a variety of means including education, awareness-building and legislation.” Sad to say, the minimum wage was overlooked and not included. A few months later, in June 2020 the Minister brought legislation to discriminate against the already exploited working class of Barbados.

On December 14, 2020 after months of social unrest, the Minister stated that the Government will revisit the changes made to the Severance Pay Act which reduced the length of time persons can apply for severance and revisit employers’ refusal to pay severance. However, also at the heart of this serious matter is the fact that the government and a ‘social’ partnership made a bad decision against one class in society which could have plunged the island into its worst labour relations crisis since the 1930’s Riots. Until it is changed, the BEST Program is an epic failure which will affect the entire labour force not only Tourism workers. The idea that such a decision was accepted by government and the social partnership is a matter of grave concern. It is a clear indication that the social partnership is a limited interest group serving its own interest and that it has the propensity to make its self-interest government policy.

In order for there to be meaningful change in terms of labour legislation going forward, the social partnership must be a broad based interest group which includes representation from the working class. Co-operatives and NGO’s must also be represented.

Historical Origins of the Minimum Wage

To have any discussion on wages in Barbados, one must start with three things which are the distribution of land and capital and the labour force that supplies labour. All three have been determined historically during slavery when the white upper class owned the land and the capital and the black working class were the source of labour. The black working class went from no wages to extremely low wages as the planters had an abundance of labour to choose from. The disparities between the profits of the planter class and wages of the labourers came to a head in 1937 and riots erupted. A low wage of about 30 cents a day was being paid.

Today ownership of the means of production (land and capital) has basically remained unchanged in Barbados. Even with the advent of credit unions little has changed for the working class. Constrained by the lack of Capital and land, the working class has been unable to impact the wages that they earn even with the support of the labour unions.

The minimum wage is a wage at the subsistence level. At present, the minimum wage is $6.25 per hour in Barbados. It is the demarcation of poverty line when compared to the high cost of living. In essence, the minimum wage has kept the working class in poverty.

The Living Wage

A living wage is a wage that is high enough to maintain a normal standard of living. It takes into consideration the cost of food, transportation, rents, mortgages, utilities, clothing, self- maintenance, healthcare, education and the payment of taxes.

According to Oxfam the introduction of living wage is beneficial to a society when:

1. Increases in wages are long overdue.

2. It is used to address long standing issues in class/race inequalities.

3. It is used to reduce poverty.

4. It is used to fuel economic growth.

Government maintains a basket of goods that are under price controls. For decades that basket has remained unchanged even though taste has changed in the population due to a large consumption of imported goods. Control of what the working class eats has shifted from the planters to government if it determines what your wages can buy.

Government New Minimum Wage by Sector

Government has stated that it will introduce a new minimum wage structure by sector as opposed to an across the board minimum wage. For this to make an impact on the livelihoods of the working class, the following must occur:

1. There must be a best practice used to determine the valuable of types of labour. This may also negatively impact labour relations.

2. Government must invest in agriculture to increase locally grown crops to substitute for imports.

3. Government must provide subsidies to agriculture.

4. There must be an across the board price freeze to combat inflation.

5. Rents for the working class must be fixed or subsidized.

6. Food for the working class must be subsidized i.e. there must be 2 different price structures in the supermarket, one for the working class and another for everyone else.

7. There is a special interest rate for the working class.

8. Access to capital for the working class.

9. Subsidized transportation for the working class.

10. Land purchase and building materials are subsidized for the working class.

Conclusion

Getting back to the Minister’s address on February 20th, 2020, he failed to include the minimum wage of $6.25 an hour as part of the social justice environment that he described. Perhaps it was an oversight on the Minister’s part but that minimum wage has been responsible for the exploitation and discrimination of the working class of Barbados.

The government of Barbados has a choice, either subsidize the working class or provide a living wage. The question that government needs to determine is if it really wants to positively impact the lives of the working class in Barbados by taking the measures outlined above when it introduces the new minimum rate structure or if it will not be easier to provide the working class with a living wage which reduces government’s effort and cost. The new minimum rates structures on their own will not work unless they equate to a living wage.

Going forward it is hoped that the government comes to terms with the fact that representation from the working class is included in the social partnership and that there is acknowledgement that a minimum wage has failed largest class of the population and that a living wage must be legislated as it is in the best interest of all Barbadians.


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180 responses to “Another Heather Cole Column – Social Justice for the Working Class”


  1. The author makes a common mistake. She comes from the USA. This country can afford a welfare state because productivity is very high. Here in the wild South, on the other hand, you have to look for productivity with a magnifying glass. Karl Marx already knew that the communist revolution presupposes a developed industrial society. You cannot redistribute anything if you have nothing.

    That is why almost all developing countries have failed: because the so-called founding fathers (Barrow, Burnham and many other masters of disaster) wanted to jump from a plantation economy to socialism. So what we need in Barbados is a kind of Deng Xiaoping to lead us from the plantation of tourist hotels to modernity via hard work, technology and transformation.


  2. JUST TALK!
    CTUSAB: Minimum wage target date not realistic
    Prime Minister Mia Amor Mottley’s plans for a national minimum wage by April 1 are unrealistic, says the Congress of Trade Unions and Staff Associations of Barbados (CTUSAB).
    General secretary Dennis DePeiza said yesterday any discussions must be based on indices of cost of living, and with the economy now attempting to find its footing following the shock from the COVID-19 pandemic, to force the issue at this time could end up doing more harm than good.
    How will it be done?
    “To tell me April 1 is just talk, because that is not realistic. How are you going to get that done? Are we just going to rush something to find that you would have created a deeper hole? It is all right to say things to sound good but there is some realism that has to be taken on board. One must consider what is practical, feasible, possible and when you put all of those things in the mix, you come up with a solution that is going to take some time,” he said.
    DePeiza was speaking in a press conference held at the Barbados Union of Teachers’ headquarters, Merry Hill, Welches, St Michael.
    “You can’t force a discussion on a national minimum wage because you have to do some research. Common sense tells us that we have to look at the cost of living and we have to go through all of the different indices. We are going to have to rely on the economists to give us some sound research in order for us to understand and determine the best way forward in this regard.
    “Right now, our economy is nowhere. How are we going to determine a national minimum wage in an economy as seriously contracted as this one? How are we going to justify it? You can’t raise prices because to do so will kill everybody,” he added.
    DePeiza’s comments closely mirrored those of president of the Barbados Chamber of Commerce and Industry (BCCI), Trisha Tannis, who said while it was not opposed to the move through a tiered system, a widescale increase would be too much for the business community to bear while recovering from the devastating impact of COVID-19.
    On December 10, Mottley said a working group within the Ministry of Labour had already prepared draft legislation. She added it would go to the National Minimum Wage Board where it would be reviewed and amended as necessary.
    However, DePeiza said that before making the announcement, Government had no prior discussion with the trade union umbrella body.

    Source: Nation


  3. Concern over trade union moves
    The Congress of Trade Unions and Staff Associations of Barbados (CTUSAB) is concerned over a growing trend of some trade unions seeming to cede their industrial relations responsibility to Government.
    General secretary Dennis DePeiza said unions were leaving themselves open to questions about their capabilities in handling the challenges workers were facing. He added this comes at a critical time when the unions should be demonstrating their mettle and strength, rather than asking the Government to solve their problems.
    He was speaking at an end-of year press conference yesterday to review the state of industrial relations. It was held at the Barbados Union of Teachers’ headquarters, Merry Hill, Welches, St Michael.
    While not singling out any union, he asked: “Does this send a signal that the union is weak? Are you are saying that you have to lean on an ally when the union is supposed to be demonstrating strength of character and we have a process called collective bargaining? I have to ask where are we going? You are moving away from the established to some new form of arrangement.
    “I think that it is sad that when you have a mechanism for dealing with industrial relations matters, yet every time something happens in this country that there is a dispute, the Government has to step in to resolve it. What is happening to the collective bargaining process that we have? What is happening to the engagement between the union and the employer? Why is it that Government has to be seen in resolving industrial relations matters that should be resolved between the employer and the trade union? Are we changing the model? This concerns us at the top of the trade union movement because we believe in following the process.”
    He added that should this trend continue, it would likely result in a change in how the public saw unions and their relevance.
    “Are the unions prepared to align themselves with Government in any way in order to get help? Is this a sign of the weakness of the labour movement? I have to ask what is expected of us if we have to go down that road.”
    President of CTUSAB, Edwin O’Neal, said the trade union movement still had a critical role to play, pointing to its role in the lessening of the initial number of job losses in Government’s 2018 retrenchment exercise.
    He called on the unions to band together as all capital was doing just that.
    “Capital recognises the need to form tighter bonds among themselves, so that they are protected, and their interest is articulated. If for one moment there is any wide-scale perception that says trade unions are no longer relevant, then crapaud smoke your pipe. There is going to be nothing to stand between the rock which is capitalism, the international pariahs that seek to impose stringent and harsh conditions on the working class, the salvation of us as a society and the protection of the working class,” he declared. (CLM)

    Source: Nation


  4. A NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE FOR BARBADOS.
    Congratulations are extended to the Government of Barbados and to the Barbados Workers Union on the decision to establish sectorial minimum wages for the protective, janitorial and other services. The public awaits further developments in this area.
    Congratulations also on the Committee that has been appointed to work on the mechanics of the operation of the new system. Some caviats and cautions have to be recognised . There is a real danger that with a large number of persons coming under minimum wage legislation for pay, and with the Unfair Dismissals Act functioning,our country has just made a quantum leap away from the voluntarist mode of industrial relations. In future those employees impacted will not need trade union intervention to the extent they did before.
    Futhermore, with a job evaluated and a job classification based system of remuneration in place,there will be immense pressure to contain an upward spiral in wage and salary demands. When this is done with no reference to a link to productivity and efficiency, and the prices of goods and services,we are seeing the benchmark being laid for serious labour market challenges.
    The union can be assisted by legislation to provide an AGENCY fee for memers of the union being caught in this new web of relations. This was legislated in both Antigua and Barbuda,and Guyana and faced some challenges. The BWU and the Committee should take on board the issue of the Agency fee. There is no doubt that the labour movement is at risk of losing its autonomy if such assistance is not given.
    On the other hand the Union must move into the modern era by accepting the need for a Labour Code and embracing the concept of 24 hour around the clock work in some areas that are now excluded. All concerns can be placed on the table and negotiated.
    With the assistance of then Principal of Cave Hill,now Sir Hilary Beckles, and the BWU post graduate programmes in Labour Management relations saw the graduation of a cadre of highly qualified experts who are making an indelible impact on industrial relations in this country.
    My final concern, at this point,is that the Social Partnership should never become a body which conflates and confuses industrial and governance issues and fudges the real differences between worker and employer in a capitalist economy and society.
    I wish to add that former Professor Andrew Downes and Dr Aubrey Armstrong have done tremendous work in these and related areas.

    Source: Robert “Bobby”Morris (Facebook)


  5. Another Mottley blunder.
    It was predictable that Prime Minister Mottley would have jumped on what she calls opposition to her promise to have basic wage legislation by April. It has become part of the course to expect any voice dissenting from her dictates to receive some hasty, usually off point, response.
    Ms. Mottley finds it unbelievable that anyone would oppose the setting of as basic wage and no matter how I searched no evidence of opposition to the basic wage was found.
    The response to Mottley’s dictate from Opposition Senator, Franklyn amounted to a conclusion that Mottley was all talk. Comments by Dr. Howard requested proper analysis before implementation, The NUPW President McDowall supported it and introduced the concept of a living wage and his call for a prices and income policy was echoed by the President of the Private Sector Association, Edward Clarke. Chairman of the Chamber Commerce Trisha Tannis was debating a new rate and so too was Economist Jeremy Stephens.
    Sometime during the St. George North By-election, I urged a debate on the promised minimum wage and as reported in a daily newspaper, the minimum wage discussion has been around for a long time. What people find coincidental was the timing of the announcement of the coming legislation. It appeared to most people as a response to the impasse with G4S.
    The last administration had designed a framework for discussions to take place between the social partners and my information is that the cabinet paper has been catching dust on some table in the Ministry of Labour. Caught in a dilemma Mottley conveniently pulls out the basic wage talk and then expects the rest of Barbados to stay silent because she has spoken. I trust not the words but the actions of men and women and Mottley strengthens my belief in that dictum.
    Setting minimum wage levels is not an easy sell but requires careful analysis for it can have both negative and positive effects on the economy. Azar, et al in a 2019 research paper entitled “ Minimum Wage Employment Effects and Labour Market Concentration noted that “many papers document the employment effect of the minimum wage (Neumark and Wascher (1992); Card and Krueger (1994); Dube, Lester and Reich (2010a); Meer and West (2016); Jardim et al. (2018); Clemens and Wither (2019); Cengiz et al. (2019), to name only a few). They further contend that despite the volume of work there is still considerable debate about whether there is, in fact, an appreciable dis-employment effect of the minimum wage, with many studies finding null results while many others indeed show a negative employment effect of varying intensity.
    Hong Soon Kim & Soo Cheong Jang in a paper entitled Minimum wage increase and firm productivity: Evidence from the restaurant industry using equity theory and fair-wage hypothesis, investigated the relationship between the federal minimum wage and restaurant productivity. They found that increasing the federal minimum wage immediately enhances restaurant productivity for up to two years. Further the results showed both full-service restaurants and low-wage restaurants benefit from the positive effect, while there was no significant effect on limited-service restaurants and high-wage restaurants. The results suggest that restaurants should cope with minimum wage policies by focusing on implementing initiatives that can maximize enhanced work efforts and productivity. The results further highlighted that restaurants should consider either continuously raising wage levels or raising them every two years to consistently obtain enhanced motivation and productivity.
    All progressive Barbadians would welcome a basic wage. But given the PM’s propensity to engage mouth before brain, they will require greater insights into the issue. What are the costs and benefits, will it be national, sectoral and what monitoring mechanisms will be employed. These are all critical issues. In addition, at the last meeting of the Social partners a call was made by the PM for a committee to address a prices and income protocol. Is another committee of the social partners to be instituted to join the scores of other committees from which not a peep has been heard?
    If the draft legislation had been discussed with the Social partners then opposition or critical assessment would not now be possible. That is why I believe it was a knee jerk reaction to the impasse and not a carefully analyzed policy intervention.

    Dr. Derek Alleyne.

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  6. The most govt and unions and private sector would agree would be and increase of 2dollars
    Knowing bajans most would say it is not good but something better than nothing
    The people mouthings would settled down
    Govt would get positive media exposure across the Carribbean along with Mia scoring a big political win


  7. Good analysis. The president is not a policy person, she does not like details. But, to most Barbadians, politics is binary, one is either a Dee or a Bee. To her fans, she is a walking Goddess, to her opponents she cannot be trusted.
    The net result of all this is that the public are not fully informed and so cannot make evidence-based decisions. BU can add to this by having reasoned debates, instead of hysterical shouting.


  8. My observation takes me to the G4S labour unrest
    Note that the workers were fighting for 8.79 per hour as equal pay for equal work
    Also note that there was popular agreement for the increase
    Taking such into consideration the 8.79 which the workers fought for can now be used as a guide going forward by which govt and union and SP to reach amicable agreement or middle ground


  9. Often led by you.


  10. @ David
    ” What is happening to the collective bargaining process that we have>”
    Comrade Depeiza should know that Errol Barrow put the real first blow in the collective bargaining process , by legislating salaries back in the seventies and then Tom Adams did the same thing after he won the government. So both the BLP and DLP effectively destroyed the process. Since then all we have had is pure selling out of the workers and trade unionists playing they are some part of a sham called the Social Partnership. What we now have is that Mottley has skillfully taken over the BWU and she sits exactly where Errol Barrow and other DLP leaders have sat for decades.. In other words , there is only one independent, active trade union in Barbados, at the time being and that is the Unity Trade Union.
    @ Hal
    ” BU can add to this by reasoned debates instead of hysterical shouting.”
    How? Why do you think that BU now has to recycle articles from the traditional media ? The reason is simple – you can’t plant eddoe and reap yam. The majority of contributions to BU are under pseudonyms The point made by Carl Moore , you and myself over the years, has been proven. I say no more. You plant hysteria , you reap hysteria.


  11. All knows that the BWU now only has rubber teeth and cannot influence ir make any beneficial gains for the public
    Going to be interesting to hear Moore voice when the matter of wage increase is debated


  12. she does not like details.
    And you do? That is why you responded to provide evidence as to why a dollar pegged to a basket of currencies and commodities, would benefit Barbados.


  13. @ William

    You are reading my mind. I have given the notion of plagiarising stories from the main publications serious thought now for a few weeks, but avoided making any reference to it.
    It shows a lack of originality, which any decent publication will treasure. But an editorial policy of personal abuse can only take you so far. After that it becomes regurgitating noise from empty vessels.
    Sadly, many key issues go unremarked upon, such as CoVid policy post the vaccines. Note the bogus language used and the optimism bias, from secial deals with PAHO for 56000 vaccines, now to one with Russia, China and |India. But that religious optimism that things will be better, the otherworldiness of faith, can only get you so far..
    We have had two years of political dishonesty: from the myth surrounding the MSc political sociology graduate who is also an expert on cryptocurrency, to the president now describing people in the country on the @PLT visas as Barbadians by ‘choice’.
    Watch out; the president does not say these things by mistake. I am sure that to apply for a @PLT visa will in effect be an application for Barbados citizenship. This is a weapon in her fight for an additional 80000 citizens.
    Oh, by the way, it is now nearly Xmas, how are we doing with the CXC catastrophe?


  14. As I said on Grenville’s blog, not as simple a solution as it seems. I am happy that some seasoned practitioners agree with me.

    This cannot be a Go Fish plan. It must be strategic. This is like a draughts game. One move affects all others.

    We have to keep on pushing – but like Suki!

    It requires patience. As I have said before, fifty-four years is really not a long time to bring about complete social transformation.

    (Insert cussing here.)


  15. Then we will not have to see your long pasted quotes as well not citing references. When the blogmaster post an article it is to inject other views into the discussion. Oftentimes the article list the name of the author or the blogmater will type SOUCE NATIOn etc. You are one unhappy rh man.


  16. @ Hal
    I have gone past those who come hear trying to lecture people who have been in the struggle for decades. The country will not go forward if we only chase butterflies. And quite frankly, there is nobody on BU or anywhere else, whose going to lecture me on being a Bajan or what Barbadianess is. I did not discover I was a Bajan last week.
    BU can still become a more powerful presence in the development of the country. We need another point of view but if regurgitating what appears in the Nation, is its path forward that’s the choice of its owners.

    Peace.


  17. I seldom quote USA sources. However I suspect a similar thing is happening in Bim:
    “ Big business has flourished in America, despite the pandemic, and often at the expense of its workers. Between April and September, 45 of the 50 most valuable public companies in the U.S. made a profit, according to a Washington Post analysis. And 27 of those 50 laid off over 100,000 workers, collectively. Many CEOs touted efforts to focus less on shareholders and more on “the well-being of their employees,” but often, that did not occur. The top 50 firms distributed more than $240 billion to shareholders through buybacks and dividends between April and September, per WP data.”

    All this talk about protecting workers and so on , should be analysed very carefully. The choice is ours . Deal with reality or chase butterflies.
    Workers of Barbados unite!! Don’t be fooled . Fight for your rights!!!!
    Peace


  18. @ William

    Same thing in the UK. Some big companies, including the top supermarkets, are even given back money the government gave them as a bailout, their profit s are so high.


  19. We should stop being occupied with unimportant details and face up to a few central and connected points. Points which contain not a modicum of hope, as is the reserve currency here.

    One, trade unions have been on the way out for more than 50 years.

    Secondly, the current neoliberal economic mix, as now more informed by AI and covid19, will never be able to deliver adequate wages, if any at all, to broad populations of workers. These are the basis factors driving demands for universal basic wages. Basiscally, giving people salaries as a right, without a job, free money. This recognition is widely shared, except here.

    Productivity has nothing to do with these calculations, in its traditional sense, as a results of technology and the radical transformations being imposed on the nature of and the relationship with work.

    When you have millions of commercial drivers being put out of work by self driven vehicles the old and dated productivity bs goes out of usage.

    We leave it to others to find the hopefullness for humans in an artificial intelligence driven economic culture at this bullshiite time of Santa Claus and his companions.


  20. @ Hal
    That’s what makes Mottley bending over to please wealthy hoteliers and restaurant owners so frigging obnoxious. But , like you often say, we don’t want proper enlightened debate.
    For example, my group has spoken to over 100 teachers and the hurried return to school has been a disaster.
    The Minister of Education is trying her best to drive a wedge between teachers and the BUT and Parents and teachers. Hundreds of students don’t have any connections to online learning. Our very young citizens are under tremendous stress.
    Who the hell really cares. There are enough butterflies to chase.
    Peace


  21. @Pacha

    You are on point.

    The labour force as we know it is being deconstructed. Bricks and motor footprints contracting. More products and services being created and delivered via electronic/technology channels etc. The narratives must change which in the main is steeped in a bygone reality.

  22. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Skinner, you are joking right viz “How? Why do you think that BU now has to recycle articles from the traditional media ? The reason is simple – you can’t plant eddoe and reap yam. The majority of contributions to BU are under pseudonyms The point made by Carl Moore , you and myself over the years, has been proven. I say no more. You plant hysteria , you reap hysteria.”

    1*Since when is it UNACCEPTABLE to insert views considered relevant, insightful or indeed provocative from “traditional media” to BU to generate additional feedback.

    Your remark appears to be made sans serious forethought considering the Blogmaster has ‘recycled’ such traditional media weekly and YOU and others comment and debate there profusely!

    He and we also sound off volumiously on other “recycled” articles indirectly taken from the Nation, NYT, Guardian etc and when you or others submit articles they will also invariably cite other “recycled” traditional media !

    No one is “plagiarizing” anything so in the context of modern discourse where there are literally millions of articles printed daily on social media by opinionated citizens of the world I am confounded by your incredulous insinuations and rather strange thesis.

    2*And what does that have to do with pseudonyms?

    Who I am in irrelevant to the blog … take my ideas and comments for what they are. Those who confirm their identity should be held to same standard: we care less about your antecedents and want to focus on your current and consequent ideas posted.

    Those alias using buffons who cuss and carry-on should be ‘flushed’ (I am plagiarizing that word, 🙃) just as easily as we flush those named wonders who do the same…. as one of our scholars does.

    So how exactly does an alias user offends blog sensibilities that a flaming throwing named blogger doesnt!

    Anyhow, I presume you wre having a bit of a lark this Saturday morn.

    So to you Mr Blogmaster, “Fret not, these are seniors with lots of time on their hands”. 😂😂


  23. Left out number three.
    The capitalists have found a way of making more profits than with brick and mortar investments. The question is then, why would they not adhere to the maximization of profits for their shareholders, as sworn to do.


  24. @Dee Word

    Not fretting at all. The blogmaster will continue to use his best judgement. Those who are of the view better can be done they are encouraged to lead the way.


  25. @ William

    The debate is one between lives versus livelihoods. The government is keen on face-to-face teaching, but it has not put forward an argument why this is, apart from a vague one about children missing education. What education? This is a government that cannot even sort out the CXC mess.
    The sad thing about it is that we have a government that is being misled, not a single member of which has the guts to challenge the autocrat and a people so terrorised that they worry more about putting food on the table than throwing out an incompetent regime.
    As we have suggested, the government is not held to scrutiny by the media, academics, opposition parties, public intellectuals, not even by ordinary people living hand-to-mouth. CoVid is not the only issue, just look at St George North.


  26. @dpD
    Obviously , you and I have a different view on this matter. Like I said in my last response to @Hal, the owners of BU will do what pleases them. The simple truth, cannot be denied, when I write under William Skinner, I open myself to review from all and sundry .
    Quite frankly, I really don’t care , I just figured that BU, would benefit and become more recognized. I may be wrong. I don’t own the blog and I welcome the opportunity to express my point of view.
    At least nobody can threaten to expose me or identify me to anybody without my knowledge. It would really make no difference. As a young civil servant, I felt the brunt of victimization and I had to deal with it. I’ve been publicly expressing myself in the media since I was about fourteen years old.
    BTW, I do sincerely enjoy your submissions. Keep up the good work.

    Peace

  27. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Ah Mr Blogmaster and the Pacha, that is very consequential data flow you offered…

    That is a MAJOR clash lurking… first a NEW term must be coined (if not already done) to describe a society where we can “Basiscally, giving people salaries as a right, without a job, free money.”

    That’s socialism in the old constructs and modern day conservatives will not abide ‘socialism’ in any guise.

    We will have to work… but in very different ways in very different skill sets!

    And to @Mr Skinner again, I must refer to another of your remarks to wit “I seldom quote USA sources. “

    I read your posts always bcz you offer value and this morn you have certainly piqued my interest. So suffice to say that in the land of many accomplished folks in all professions (over generations) you are comforted to ‘seldom quote’ their expected accomplished sources.

    Alright den!

    Lata.


  28. My butterflies were beautiful this morning and I just watched rather than chased.

    But who the hell is saying that workers should not stand up for their rights????? I believe it should be done through industrial relations and collective bargaining and industrial action when necessary. All within a logical legal framework set by government.

    I can tell you that our supermarkets are not making inflated profits during the pandemic. I see the decreased traffic. Even the Cherish lady who does her best for poor people by way of low pricing is feeling the pinch. She is black, by the way.

    Ain’t none of our regular businesses making inflated profits during this pandemic as far as I can tell. Sales a-plenty with some ridiculously low prices.

    Just goes to show that the original mark-ups were too high!

    So…. we have to look at these things post pandemic. Do consumers have any power? Maybe they should wield it!


  29. David

    There may yet be a time when old modes are dispensed with. Old canards liberated. How else can a vision for tomorrow be constructed, not hoped for. But that time has not yet come! Will it ever?


  30. Soapbox mounters all mounted!

    David,

    As the young people say, “You do you!” There is plenty of cyberspace out there for them to do them.


  31. Donna
    When the demand is high the price is high

    When the demand drop the prices will follow

    Supply and demand should determine the prices


  32. @Pacha
    ” giving people salaries as a right, without a job, free money. This recognition is widely shared, except here.”
    Ain’t that the truth.
    as for #3, the primary objective is not to get rid of brick and mortar, but to get rid of employees. The driver vs the self driven vehicle, is no different than the cashier vs the self checkout, or the virtual class versus the teacher. Costco et al, have this down to a fine art. The ’employee’ is a fork lift driver from 7am-10am when deliveries arrive, and they are stored on racks above where customers pick goods. At 10am (store opening) they assume a new role. Shelves (or lower part of racks) require no stocking, beyond slitting a box (more and more are perforated to retailer specs). That they have bakers and butchers, is only because they haven’t yet figured out regional bakeries and butcher shops, as their ‘concept’ is based on ‘under one roof’, but driverless trucks will aid this in future? As will automated bakeries?
    In line with Mr.Claus, is the notion that a wage or salary is the cost. It is merely one component of the cost. Vacations, sick leave, other forms of paid leave, pensions without contribution etc are major costs. Not to mention severance. Or any other ‘benefit’.


  33. David @Hal

    You are one unhappy rh man.

    Yet u post an article about elderly abuse but used expletives towards an elderly person
    Shame on u David


  34. Pandatic Dribbler

    Please reconsider. We have always had socialism for the rich and large corporations. Capitalism, slavery etc for everybody else.

    We give them free money all the time. This is where universal basic wage ideas came from. In fact, over the last 12 years we’ve given big banks and corporations in the US alone about 15 trillion dollars.

    In Barbados, the same thing happens. The gob bought a hotel and then gave it to sandals to run along with tens of millions in tax relief.

    The positions of convervatives have always been duplicitous. To them convervatism only means socialism for the oligarchs but capitalism for everybody else.

    This has only been a sick game being played on us. Have recent developments not proved this point? Or do you prefer to rest comfortably in hope mongering as well?


  35. NO

    Of course, yes!

    All these are facts or factoids which we must consider if we say we care about the development or existence of Barbados.

    Feelings of hopefullness alone, like Santa coming to town, are immaterial when this juggernaut is coming down the pike within the usual lag time.

    For example, have we consider if self driven vehicles could operate in Barbados?


  36. Considered


  37. We must be careful when we us other countries as a reference. Our analyses seem to ignore the size of our country, population and economy.

    The reasoning that we are a country and they are also countries will eventually leads us down a dead end.

    We should think and make plans, but they should always be grounded in reality. One reason why we go nowhere is that we have never accepted our weight class.

    Unable to contribute further.


  38. @Pacha

    The time must come, how else will the next generation survive?

    History records there is always tension when transformational change is required. There is no right or wrong here, it is mapping a vision based on agreed strategic objectives and moving full steam ahead. The discussion we are engaged is an important part of the process.


  39. RE BU can still become a more powerful presence in the development of the country.

    HOW EXACTLY WILL /CAN THIS HAPPEN?
    HAS BU BEEN A powerful presence in the development of the country SINCE ITS EXISTENCE?
    IF SO, HOW?
    IF NOT, WHY NOT?


  40. Yes David
    But there are a lot of people here who would prefer to avoid the issues this writer has to wrestle with daily. We wish another was chosen.

    Some resort to hope of all sorts. Others would like the end of times to come to avoid what we must deal with one way or the other. Still others just want to make the same staid arguments.


  41. Another path


  42. “my group has spoken to over 100 teachers and the hurried return to school has been a disaster……[h]undreds of students don’t have any connections to online learning.”

    BU too sweet.


  43. @ David BU

    It seems as though the term ‘elder abuse’ is defined according to the individual involved.

    So, over the past few years when they were using ‘expletives towards an elderly’ Owen Arthur, it wasn’t a case of ‘elder abuse?’


  44. Enuff said @ enuff


  45. How come it is that two old men with no ‘CXC children’ keep this topic on the burner.
    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/CXC_wants_to_return_to_using_regular_format_for_2021_exams


  46. John2
    Mr.Skinner is a proud resident of the state of Georgia in the good ole United States of America. If you want to read about reopening schools, covid and disaster look no further than Georgia and America…period. But I guess the COVID in Buhbaduss mock.


  47. @ Enuff
    Amazingly, a few short months ago, when Mr. Skinner, was the first to say that he would not indulge in criticizing your party and government during the initial stages of COVID, he was a “ proud” resident of Barbados.
    That is why when you sought to praise and compliment Mr. Skinner,and said he had gained your “respect”, he dismissed it because he knew that was only said because it was positive toward your party and government.
    Have you ever heard or read, Mr. Skinner praising or complimenting anybody in the USA on how the COVID has been handled? Quite the opposite , the said Mr. Skinner has said on this same BU, that your party and government has handled the crisis remarkably well far superior to how it was and still is being handled in the USA.
    So, I was more than justified in rejecting your compliments. You are a pure bred hypocrite as far as Mr. Skinner is concerned and you just proved him right.
    Come from behind the mask you have been wearing even before COVID and Mr. Skinner will then deal with you accordingly . He has dealt with cowards and hypocrites for sometime.
    Peace.


  48. Stupse! You and Hal use wunna name for one simple reason–EGO. Your response proves my point.


  49. Enuff

    I am a resident of Georgia . I am well aware

    Enuff said

    I take it the WS made a mistake as we all do at some point in time. When he figure it out he will correct what he said


  50. @ Enuff
    My apologies to you extend only to attributing what @ John 2 said , to you. I have never been too big or have that “ ego” you referenced.
    However, my position regarding your hypocrisy , as far as your positions on BU are concerned remains. I know nothing about you personally.
    @ John 2
    I have never referenced anything related to Georgia or any part of the USA in relation to COVID and never sought to draw any comparisons with Barbados or any other country.
    I have never indulged in such because my focus remains on the Caribbean Nation and I see Barbados in that context. You should note that I stay quite far from the discussions regarding: Trump, Biden, USA elections, Brexit, Boris Johnson etc. They are the discussions that you and others find most appealing. I remain a proud citizen of the Caribbean Nation.
    Ironically, the group to which I belong, has identified, Colonel Jeffrey Bostic , Minister of Health , as the most outstanding Barbadian for the year 2020. Hopefully that announcement will be made in due course. You seem to have some idea of my current whereabouts. That’s why I don’t use pseudonyms.
    Peace.

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