One of the questions the blogmaster use to be unable to answer based on observations displayed on the blog – is why individuals sacrifice a dispassionate mindset and instead exhibit partisanship DESPITE being highly educated. It should be logical to assume that acquiring an above average level of education was the best counter to irrational and bias decision making. Over time the blogmaster learned the condition is not restricted to members of the BU community. It is a global condition.
What made the blogmaster offer an opinion at this time?
Several examples of irrational responses can be found in the interactions of commenters on the blog in recent hours whether about BOSS, appointment of a second Deputy Commissioner of Police, the current racial unrest in the USA and a few others.
The following video of 5 minutes and 15 seconds duration is highly recommended by the blogmaster for viewing by the BU community.
I can posit the following: the Blog-master by this very post displays his inherent bias. The Blog-master starts off with the premise (it would appear) that those who are highly educated seem to be partisan in their listings. Surely any individual, based on personal experiences must have an inherent outlook on life which differs markedly from those of others: this is a given. Therefore, a particular individual’s opinions may differ from those of another and is to be expected.
@Dr. Lucas
Obviously you did not take the time to watch the short video or you preferred to miss the point by a wide margin.
I am a firm believer in setting minimum standards. I am no perfectionist or believe that anybody must follow my ” 60 year old worn out ” philosophy. However, the truth must be spoken. Just around 2016, I witnessed what Bajans call “pure wutlessness” seeping into BU. There were a series of lenghty articles almost daily but certainly weekly, accusing public officials of everything from teefing being involded in murder to being involved in pushing drugs and corrupt real estate deals. I thought they should not have been published without serious editing.
The partisan is mainly theatre for me altough once in a while , the jokers actually make sense but that will not cease now or perhaps never. One of the most fascinating recent developments on BU , are the entries of a rising political star. Unfortunately , the writings are made up primarily of petty party talking points. The language is excellent and the enthusiasm unmatched but it can be safely determined, when stripped of their glossy presentation, to be the exact message of those who have been on BU for years and I suspect are a lot senior to the new entrant. In other words, it is extremely partisan.
Five decades ago , youngsters actually challenged the staus quo even if they agreed with the bedrock principles. That’s why we had the under forties in the then BLP challenging Barrow on Independence and going it alone. It was not that they opposed independence, but they brought another view and dimension to the exercise.If those, now being identified on both sides as the future movers and political shakers, are only carbon copies and can only carbon copy what their respective parties/leaders are saying, we can expect a further decline in progressive and meaningful public discourse. Unforunately the malaise and partisanship that has engulfed the body politic is like love vine-spreading all over de place. BU will now have a hell of a job even controlling farless stopping its growth.
The oldsters had a saying; ” Never encourage your dog to eat your neighbour’s eggs because when he can’t find any by the neighbour, he will eat yours”
We just can’t plant tomatoes and reap carrots. Never happened -never will.
Well i never heard about an intelligent fowl yet, and judging from the ones on BU, that animal just does not exist….from the time you designate yaself a yardfowl for some halfassed corrupt, tiefing politician, it comes with, displays and projects a total lack of intelligence and commonsense.
Look at the video the Blogmaster chose to introduce the George Floyd blog.
It is incomplete and deliberately used to provoke dissension.
Dispassionate discourse was never the intention.
Subsequent videos revealed that the behavior of the policeman was abnormal and suggest as this recent link does that white or black, George Floyd was going down.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ken-cuccinelli-says-he-believes-even-if-george-floyd-had-been-white-his-life-would-not-have-been-spared/ar-BB15aHew?ocid=spartandhp
@David
I don’t see any video
This is a link to the video, will have to investigate why it is a no show.
https://www.ted.com/talks/jay_van_bavel_do_politics_make_us_irrational#t-314999
@David
Video is being blocked by some browsers.
@David
Video now appearing OK.
Thanks Wily, apology to Dr. Lucas et al who would probably were not able to access. WordPress does not like java script.
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John
May 29, 2020 11:57 PM
Calm
May 29, 2020 10:26 PM
Here comes BU resident racist. Waiting to see how he spins this senseless killing into the fault of the victim or the black community.
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Hasn’t it dawned on you that the policeman has it is alleged, 18 complaints against him already?
DUUUUUUUUH!!
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You see how simple this George Floyd case was.
It was obvious from the beginning.
I almost didn’t even bother with making submissions.
Nothing to do with systemic or institutional racism.
One rogue cop who would have killed regardless of colour.
Seriously?
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… but the Blogmaster should not feel bad he is unable to frame a blog for intelligent discussion.
The media routinely gets it wrong and never apologizes thus setting the tone for others to follow.
Unsurprising. Our personal outlooks will be influenced by our experiences.
Education will allow the analysis of different viewpoints, but experiences can be strong enough to outweigh logic.
Also, some are just wilfully biased. Those who choose to be racist, or nasty. They do exist. In such cases it is not ignorance nor fear, but nastiness.
They will push their agenda, with lies and other deceit.
The white supremacists in control now in a certain country are just that.
Not ignorant, just evil. And will argue all day long as to why they are right.
Identity politics is a big thing for them, getting white people to vote for them based on appearance. Although they have grabbed onto the phrase and are trying to turn it around.
But God does not sleep. What you sow, you reap.
@Crusoe
A fascinating nugget from the video is how scientists allowed biase to overwhelm an evidence based approach.
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Very interesting video will certainly share with my Sociology students
Mr Skinner all of us , including you and i come with a bias.Why pick on Khaleel? Is he not entitled to his opinion?From what i have seen he is well researched moreso than some seniors on here who like to deal in half truths and wild speculation.There are known Dems on here like Greene, Sarge, Hants, Austin and Mariposa among others who for them this government can do no right and theyre are others like myself who support this government.The only independent thinker on this blog i find is Artax who calls it as he sees it.Therefore give Khaleel the same priviledge you give others and leave out the lotta long talk.
DO NON-INTELLIGENT PEOPLE NOT DEMONSTRATE PARTISANSHIP TOO?
@ David June 8, 2020 7:37 AM
I did not watch the video. I didn’t realize there was a video. I have now watched the first 1.15 minutes of the video and it makes basically the same point I made about one’s inherent experiences. I do not need to watch any more of the video.
GP
June 8, 2020 10:02 AM
DO NON-INTELLIGENT PEOPLE NOT DEMONSTRATE PARTISANSHIP TOO?
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To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them. To die—to sleep,
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to: ’tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish’d. To die, to sleep;
To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there’s the rub:
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause—there’s the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th’oppressor’s wrong, the proud man’s contumely,
The pangs of dispriz’d love, the law’s delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th’unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovere’d country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.
David,
Yes, bias is the subjective as opposed to the objective.
One may think that corned beef is salty and dusgusting, not nutritious, based on its look and being corned and canned.
Another may think it the best food in the world, because he grew up on it and has find memories of eating it.
Neither is right. Because it has nutritional value, yet surely many foods are actually better for you.
Perspective and perception are part of daily life.
The important thing is to recognise what is good for all, without harming any specific group.
@Crusoe
To take your example to the finish, those with biases should be able to go to empirical and evidence based studies to dissolve the biase. We accept people will bring biase BUT there is a path to eliminate the biase. More importantly those responsible for being gatekeepers of the evidence based repository must guard it from biase.
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@David
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
JOHN
NON-INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO DEMONSTRATE PARTISANSHIP.THAN INTELLIGENT PEOPLE uh lie?
RE A fascinating nugget from the video is how scientists allowed biase to overwhelm an evidence based approach.
FALLACIOUS ! -, HILARIOUS!- RIDICULOUS! –BETZPAENIC! – BOVINE EXCREMENT!
THERE IS NO NUGGETS HERE —ONLY FAECOLITHS
TRUE SCIENTISTS DO NOT ALLOW BASIS to overwhelm an evidence based approach.
TRUE UNBIASED SCIENTISTS REPORT WHAT THEY FIND ACCURATELY.
THEN THEY THINK ABOUT THEIR FINDINGS.
THEN THEY GO THROUGH THE STEPS OF THE “SCIENTIFIC METHOD” WITH A VIEW TO UNDERSTAND AND PROPERLY EXPLAIN THEIR FINDINGS uh lie?
IF ANATOMISTS HAD ALLOWED THEIR BIAS TO FAIL TO CITE THE ANOMALIES IN THE STRUCTURE OF CERTAIN AREAS OF THE BODIES, SURGEONS,(WHO ARE SCIENTISTS DEPENDENT ON EVIDENCE) WOULD RUN A MUCK………BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT BE AWARE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF PRESENCE OF THE ANOMALIES. uh lie?
THERE IS TRUE SCIENCE BASED ON CONSISTENTAND ACCURATE PRACTICE OF THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD, AND FAKE SCIENCE OR BRIMBLE SCIENCES uh lie?
David and Khaleel,
Quite true but Khaleel’s point is valid.
I submit that in matters of national resonance, the media, the judiciary are the guardians. A singular guard is not the answer, it is a compund effort.
And that is why attempts to belittle and muzzle the media and politicise the judiciary should always be viewed with skepticism.
@ John May 29, 2020 11:57 PM
“You see how simple this George Floyd case was.
It was obvious from the beginning.
I almost didn’t even bother with making submissions.
Nothing to do with systemic or institutional racism.
One rogue cop who would have killed regardless of colour.”
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Would you use the same line of reasoning to explain or justify the blatant assassination of Ahmaud Arbery while jogging?
How about the hundreds of black men who were suspended with ropes on poplar trees with their blood on the leaves?
How simple would it be for you try to justify such acts of law enforcement by “rogue cops” hiding behind white hoods and burning crosses while celebrating the hanging spectacles of bulging eyes with their white family and friends having their Christian picnics under the white supremacists’ magnolia trees?
Yes Sir John, continue to avoid and evade this burning issue like Dracula looking into a mirror while holding a crucifix.
What would it take to bring you to ‘Christian’ understanding?
A silver bullet dipped in the same vinegar used to wet the parched lips of your sweet white Jesus on the cross?
The thing is, even what is seen as a scientific approach has its limits.
Because the design of assessments and the conclusions are inherently biased by the scientists own parameters of understanding.
This is why occasionally there is a paradigm shift in thinking on a specific area. Because someone discovers a new parameter that throws the old theory into jeopardy.
@Crusoe
The author of the video is clearly addressing obvious partisan and biase behaviour, that which leads to cognitive dissonance.
@Crusoe
That is fine, we can live with a scientific conclusion influenced by the limit to the knowledge of the scientist compared to if it occurs on a whimsical premise.
@ KK at 11;07 AM
You are too wise for your own good. Who will guard the biased who is himself biased ? The same %&()+ biased.
John and GP are cut and paste merchants from right wing extremist sites
which is mindless unscientific and partisan
I think they think debating is a competition to be won like the human race
when they use their own minds you can see them struggling due to lack of originality and creativity
Freedom crier is the same but I feel sorry for her as I think she may have mental health issues
Surely cognitive dissonance is a result if a choice?
If you like all dogs except rottweilers, because one bit you when you were ten years old, you must know that such is irrational behaviour.
Any dog can bite. You must know that you are biased.
Yes, there may be subtle bias that each of us have, but obvious bias is…. obvious to us too, no?
RE The thing is, even what is seen as a scientific approach has its limits.Because the design of assessments and the conclusions are inherently biased by the scientists own parameters of understanding.This is why occasionally there is a paradigm shift in thinking on a specific area. Because someone discovers a new parameter that throws the old theory into jeopardy.
YOU MEAN LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PSEUDO SCIENTISTS IN THE VIDEO?
paradigm shift in thinking on a specific area USUALLY OCCUR BY PROPER PRACTICING OF THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD RESPONDING TO NEW OR DIFFERENT EVIDENCE.
example the idea that matter could not be destroyed was debunked at Hiroshima and when baby atomic bombs were relased in New Mexico
the theory of the structure of the atom was changed after the work of Bohr, Rutherford, Pauli et al
I watched the video again and am clear that such dissonance is a choice. Some may deny that, but it is.
@Crusoe
Understand your view, the challenge for individuals will be dispassionately reconciling our belief system with the dynamic requirement to efficiently process info for best result. We can debate if there is a perfect script to follow to inform inputs to dispassionately arrive at the best decisions. Almost a circular discussion, although one suspects ‘successful’ individuals with the right quotient levels will get it more right than wrong.
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@Blogmaster, interesting piece. And as others have already highlighted this TED Talk simply reinforces the fundamental element of life… which I suggest really is: “… how individuals use education to buttress their entrenched bias/subjective assessments of fact”.”
Your piece evoked for me references like “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”… a statement popularized by the author Twain over 100 years ago… but, ‘Animal Farm’ viewed through it’s non-socialist lens is perhaps the best examples of how ‘men’ will use deep intellect to bamboozle. Recall that after ‘deep intellectualism’ and popular appeal the mantra was “All animals are equal” or “No animals shall drink alcohol”… which the smart folks then ‘improved’ to read: “All Animals Are Equal / But Some Are More Equal Than Others” and “No animal shall drink alcohol to excess.”
We deliberately and falsely reverse-back into ‘cognitive dissonance’ BECAUSE of our intellect not INSPITE of gaining that greater knowledge. Of course, everyone is entitled to a different opinion but this moot SPEAKS to attempting to invoke differing FACTS… which is clearly an obvious ‘NONSENSE’….as facts do NOT change…. Thus, what we do is to use the scholarship or the advanced training/degrees or the Fellowships in professional bodies as the blunt cudgel to beat our opinions into a fact-based acceptance.
When professors or Nobel laureate scientists say that Black people are inherently less intelligent than whites when that has been disproved under PROPERLY detailed social circumstances and tests criteria…that is an example of that reversing-back methodology!
Anyhow, enough said already so tally-ho.
And one SMALL-BIG query… is this a test of your moot …and establishing new facts 🙂 🙂 What’s with the repeated spelling of ‘biasE’… when was it changed from just plain ‘bias’! Just wondering how shrewd you are being today!
@Dee Word
No comment, we all have to deal with our identity crises LOL.
@ David June 8, 2020 11:43 AM
Is it fair to say, based on the video, that politics and religion represent different faces of the same unscientifically designed coin of human chicanery and mind control?
Doesn’t the hand-clapping bible-thumping Judeo-Christian fundamentalist called Reverend GP the M D with his doctorate in divinity represent the epitome of that unexplainable mental condition called “cognitive dissonance”?
How could a human being hold ‘onto’ such strong religious views and express such binding commitment to one of the main Christian values called LOVE but can still harbour such animosity and intractable hatred for others who dare to question his authority on all things Biblical or are in contradistinction to his extremely ‘wrong’ wing view of politics like his ‘brown’ bugbear the ex-President Obama?
@Crusoe, I agree and disagree with you. Yes, “Surely cognitive dissonance is a result if a choice”….
However, there is ABSOLUTELY no strict dissonance like your Rottweiler example and dogs generally. Of course, all dogs can possibly bite but the Rottweiler breed may be more prone to that (NOT saying they ARE) than a Cocker Spaniel for example. Intellectually you appreciate all dogs can bite but reflexively that big breed fellow scares you still…. why is that irrational!
We need more neutral contributors on BU like Tron, who tries to take a balanced view of things and does not cultivate any prejudices.
I think we should not abuse the platform for unilateral party propaganda like the outspoken senator and others.
OK @Mr. Blogmaster let me see if I can open your can of worms a bit more re: “why individuals sacrifice a dispassionate mindset and instead exhibit partisanship DESPITE being highly educated. It should be logical to assume that acquiring an above average level of education was the best counter to irrational and bias decision making. Over time the blogmaster learned the condition […] is a global condition.”
Whether someone is lying is merely an opinion until the fib is proven. Thus when Dr. Lucas says that Colin Powell “is a war criminal along with bush and Blair. He is a prolific disseminator of incorrect facts” we do have hindsight to confirm that Gen Powell to affirm that he ‘lied’ before the UN… HOWEVER, a truly ACCURATE statement is that he MISLED the UN because he believed the data from the Intel agencies was correct… THAT too we know from hindsight. All facts……THUS…For the highly educated doctor to parade the ‘UN lie’ as a deliberate ploy by Powel…is…well…ANOTHER lie…he choose to do that!
Additionally, also with hindsight of 3 years and over 10,000 proliferations of blatant incorrect facts from POTUS the Liar-in-Chief the wise doc also chooses to attack Powell on his very singular misstatement (how many more misrepresentations did he make to the public???) …..
That is a carefully calibrated choice of cognitive dissonance … hindsight gives us clarity of FACTS… he chooses to still present OPINIONS!
Another blogger suggested that we simply “search for confirmation of [our] biased views and [do not] think seriously about the issues”…. The more intelligent and educated the individual the more adept they are at confirming their biases with learned views (often masquerading as facts)… and just as easily the more uneducated we are the more adept they are at bamboozling us!
I gone.
@Dee Word
A good example and you could have concluded by saying an evidence based approach by Dr. Lucas – a scientist by profession- might have been to research the matter before reaching a conclusion?
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@ GP June 8, 2020 11:27 AM
I saw that part about science and bias and decided not to reply, since it was obvious it was penned by persons who were guilty of a lack of objectivity.
in science one is exposed to experimental design and how to eliminate bias from one ‘s experiments. To do so, there is the concept of randomized designs and replication of experimental units are used in conjunction with controls. If one is taking readings, readings done by others cannot be substituted, since an error is introduced. Any errors introduced from the data of one person tend to balance out, therefore eliminating any bias. The idea is that one research data be capable of being verified by others using the same experimental conditions and chemicals reagents.
Miller
June 8, 2020 11:37 AM
@ John May 29, 2020 11:57 PM
“You see how simple this George Floyd case was.
It was obvious from the beginning.
I almost didn’t even bother with making submissions.
Nothing to do with systemic or institutional racism.
One rogue cop who would have killed regardless of colour.”
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Would you use the same line of reasoning to explain or justify the blatant assassination of Ahmaud Arbery while jogging?
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I haven’t looked at this case yet.
Need evidence.
David BU
Are you seriously attempting to separate bias and partisanship in a blog whose lifeblood is political debate? The party faithfuls look for evidence that supports their party’s position and ignores those that do not. This is normal and acceptable for most. We all have biases some are very obvious some remain hidden in broad daylight.
Intelligence has nothing to do with promoting a particular point of view. All our leaders of political parties and GoB were/are intelligent
. Some narratives succeed in becoming the dominant ones ;others do not.. What accounts for this dominance needs further investigation.
@Vincent
Actually the message is targeted at those of us who sit between the partisans. Despite our best effort we have to be aware that their is thought process we must disrupt to avoid a bias.
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@David the blogmaster “acquiring an above average level of education was the best counter to irrational and bias decision making.”
Not really David, not really. Never, ever let yourself be deceived.
When people say s “acquiring an above average level of education was the best counter to irrational and bias decision making.” I remind them that the biggest individual mass killer in the United Kingdom, perhaps in the world in the 20th century was not a drug dealer, not a “thug” but was a highly educated physician.
Some people are sociopaths.
Some people are psychopaths.
Some people are bad, because that is exactly who they are.
Never ever let “education” or “qualificications” deceive you.
“Harold Frederick Shipman (14 January 1946 – 13 January 2004), known to acquaintances as Fred Shipman, was an English general practitioner who is believed to be the most prolific serial killer in modern history. On 31 January 2000, a jury found Shipman guilty of the murder of fifteen patients under his care, with his total number of victims estimated to be around 250. Shipman was sentenced to life imprisonment with the recommendation that he never be released. He committed suicide on 13 January 2004, one day before his 58th birthday, by hanging himself in his cell at Wakefield Prison. “
“There were a series of lenghty articles almost daily but certainly weekly, accusing public officials of everything from teefing being involded in murder to being involved in pushing drugs and corrupt real estate deals. I thought they should not have been published without serious editing.”
Thank you!!
On the other hand William Skinner was the member of NDP. Did he not therefore practiced partisanship? Wuh his constant the “duopoly rules” is awashed in his NDP cum Mahogany Group partisanship.
Khaleel don’t be discouraged, they’ve been coming for me incessantly for a long time now. Your joining me in the ring is welcomed.
DR LUCAS SIR!
RE I saw that part about science and bias and decided not to reply, since it was obvious it was penned by persons who were guilty of a lack of objectivity.
WHAT YOU WILL NOTICE IS THAT MOST HERE ARE NOT ONLY guilty of a lack of objectivity. BUT THAT THERE ARE GUILTY OF A LACK OF RELEVANT KNOWLEDGE IN AREAS THAT THEY SEEK TO DEBATE WITH THOSE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT MANY ARE UNWILLING TO LEARN ANYTHING FROM THOSE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
WHEN YOU RESPOND TO THEM WITH SEVERITY THESE MORONIC BRIMBLERS SAY YOU DONT HAVE LOVE, YOU ARE THIS, YOU ARE THAT………..BUT IN MY DAYS AT KOLIJ AND AT UWI SCIENCE MEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK SSSSSSSS……..e! THEY WERE CORRECTED SUMMARILY BY THEIR PEERS
IN ADDITION THERE ARE SOME WHO WILL RIGHT YOU OFF AS SILLY BECAUSE YOU DONT AGREE WITH THIER POLITICAL IDEOLOGY OR PERSONNEL. YOU MUST TOW THE LINE. THEY ARE MUCH LIKE THOSE IN THE USA WILL WILLFULLY ATTACK ANOTHER PERSON BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT TRUMP OR WEAR A MAGA HAT!
ONE IDIOT HERE, WHO THINKS HE IS A GREAT DEBATER EXPRESSED THE VIEW AND WONDERING WHY THREE OF FOUR “SCHOLARS” ON BU SUPPORT OR FOLLOW TRUMP. AND OR ARE NOT SHOUTING EMOTIONALLY THAT BLACK LIVES MATTER.
SOME HAVE EVEN IRRATIONALLY CITED THAT AMERICANS WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP IN THE LAST ELECTION WERE STUPID, OBVIOUSLY WILLFULLY IGNORING THAT THE SAME FOLK VOTED FOR A VERY INCOMPETENT MAN IN THE PREVIOUS TWO ELECTIONS.
WHAT A CIRCUS..
Yes David politics can make us irrational.
Religion can make us irrational
Misogyny can make us irrational
The belief that we are superior to others can make us irrational.
Take a look at this mostly highly regarded nerosurgeon who murdered his physician wife in late 2016. Largely because she was planning to leave after years of mistreatment. And his mistreatment of her originated in his belief that women are inferior, and that the daughter of labourers was not good enough for him the son f one of Canada’s most eminent heart surgeons:
https://www.macleans.ca/society/the-biggest-lessons-from-dr-elana-frics-life-and-tragic-murder/
David when people show you by their works or by their actions who they are you MUST BELIEVE them.
@Simple Simon
Your point is taken but are they outlier examples?
RE their is thought process we must disrupt to avoid a bias.
REALLY? TELL US HOW EXACTLY THIS IS DONE, SIR.
You must challenge yourself to reach out of your comfort zone.
You must be honest with yourself to work 25/7 at trying to sync ‘mind body and soul’.
@David June 8, 2020 3:13 PM @Simple Simon. “Your point is taken but are they outlier examples?”
Since murder is not the norm. Most human beings NEVER murder. Can we then look at all murderers as outliers?
Isn’t that the argument that John is trying to advance about the Minnessota policeman?
I don’t see these people as outliers.
i see tham as people whose dangerous biases whether racial, religious, political, economic, gender lead them to devalur other HUMAN BEINGS, and whose biases lead them to kill.
None of then get a pass from me.
We ALL have the opportunity to call ourselves back.
But some people love their biases better that they love another HUMAN BEING.
First comes the denigration, eventually comes the killings.
It is part of a continuum.
My very alert Grandson follows BU almost hourly. He just called and told me some character had only quoted half of what I wrote earlier today. For the record here is exactly what I said:
June 8, 2020 7:13 AM
“I am a firm believer in setting minimum standards. I am no perfectionist or believe that anybody must follow my ” 60 year old worn out ” philosophy. However, the truth must be spoken. Just around 2016, I witnessed what Bajans call “pure wutlessness” seeping into BU. There were a series of lenghty articles almost daily but certainly weekly, accusing public officials of everything from teefing being involded in murder to being involved in pushing drugs and corrupt real estate deals. I thought they should not have been published without serious editing.“
Thank you!
We should distinguish between opinions and factual claims. Surely it is legitimate to criticize one or the other policy or to comment on the behavior of X or Y with mockery and derision. These are expressions of personal opinions.
But it is quite another matter to suspect X or Y of involvement in unproven murder or breach of trust without presenting even the slightest evidence. I am thinking here of Chris Sinckler and the Honourable Attorney General. In both cases, certain people launched a full-scale witch-hunt on the basis of mere speculation or deliberate misinterpretation of facts. In my opinion, this goes far beyond the limits of what is legitimate and legal.
Your grandson doan seem to be as alert as you claiming yuh! 🤣🤣🤣
@ Enuff
Man you got a government to run. Y r u wasting time on a man who lost his deposit? 😊😊😊
I does give jack he jacket tho. So that’s why I supported your position as I have on previous occasions. But even in agreement yuh came for me. Sigh.
I would also like to take this opportunity to counter the panic about the coronavirus spread by the opposition on BU in March and April. According to the latest research, 57% of the population in the world’s worst-affected region, Bergamo in Italy, has antibodies. In other words, the virus can hardly spread again there due to herd immunity.
If we put this in relation to the number of deaths, we get a mortality rate of only 0.37 percent! This is the same as for new, aggressive variants of the flu for which no vaccine is available.
I applaud our Prime Minister, all her ministers and all the staff at the local health authorities not only for the way they have brought the virus down. I also congratulate them all for dealing with the pandemic in such a professional, transparent and calm manner. Quite unlike the opposition, i.e. the DLP and the outspoken Senator’s party. There was and is no room for panic.
So once again: Dear Mia Mottley, we thank you! I therefore wish and pray that this government will remain with us for a long time to come.
Cuhdear Bajan
June 8, 2020 3:50 PM
@David June 8, 2020 3:13 PM @Simple Simon. “Your point is taken but are they outlier examples?”
Since murder is not the norm. Most human beings NEVER murder. Can we then look at all murderers as outliers?
Isn’t that the argument that John is trying to advance about the Minnessota policeman?
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Here is the error you are making.
This wasn’t a murder, it was an execution.
Check the caller to Rush Limbaugh on 28th May I posted on the George Floyd blog.
He is a 25 year Police veteran.
On 29th May my contribution was based on what he had said.
As more video evidence became available it became clearer and clearer this was far more than a murder.
It also became clearer and clearer the 3 other police officers were unwitting accessories.
Any one of them could have stopped it.
I doubt if skin colour even entered into Chauvin’s thinking.
Trump is the greatest show on earth.
Those who can’t appreciate his skill are blind.
The Democrats are a failed party.
Their policies just don’t work.
The evidence is clear as day.
Quite apart from the enjoyment watching Trump gives me, logic and reason directs my contributions about his exploits.
When a man good he good!!
And when his opposition is rubbish he is even better!!
No bias involved, just cold dispassionate analysis of the evidence in front of me.
Plus of course I discovered long ago when I figured it out that it drives berserk those who can’t think logically yet insist they believe in freedom of speech.
… which I enjoy, they deserve it.
JOHN K
I AGREE WITH YOU IOO%
I LOVE TO SEE HIM BEATING UP PUN THE STUPID ANTAGONISTIC REPORTERS AND THE DUMBOCRATS
I SEE IT LIKE A GOOD BATSMAN BEATING UP BAD BOWLING AT THE OVAL
I LOVE TO BEAT UP BAD BOWLING PUN BU TOO
WHEN I KNOW THAT I AM CORRECT, AND A MORON CONTRADICTS ME WITHOUT FACTS OR LOGIC.I GWINE TELL HIM THAT HE IS RIGHT IN BEAUTIFUL PROSE——-WITH DELIGHT AND WITHOUT APOLOGY. AND WITHOUT GETTING ANGRY.
Take the “Defund the Police” rubbish going on now in Dysfunctional America.
It is even to the level where the Minneapolis City Council has decided to disband the Police.
Lets take Minneapolis and their intention to disband the Police and create some weird and wonderful community policing.
By listening to a caller on Rush Limbaugh today, an attorney, I found out that a city is a part of a county and a county is a part of a state and a state is a part of the country, the United States of America.
If Minneapolis disbands its police force the Sheriff of Hennepin County assumes responsibility for policing.
The State Troopers can go anywhere in a state, that includes policing Minneapolis.
And if by some weird and wonderful arrangement the State disbands the State Troopers and the county the Sheriffs, then the Feds will take over policing with the Army.
The Democrats not only do not realise how inept their policies and thinking are they also think their opposition is dumb.
Unless Trump really screws up logic suggests he and the Republicans will win by a landslide in November.
Not only is their opposition a failure but it underestimates them, a recipe for disaster for the Democrats.
Still, with 5 months to go, who knows what will happen.
@David the blogmaster “why individuals sacrifice a dispassionate mindset and instead exhibit partisanship DESPITE being highly educated”
Dear David:
Some people will ALWAYS put power over principle. There’s your answer.
Agree with you, we see it every day in this forum. A good waste of an education.
Look at these Democrats in New York!!
They are now going to ban choke holds.
All they need to do is listen to Rush Limbaugh on 28th May 2020 and hear the 25 year veteran on chokeholds.
Maybe they haven’t heard about tasers!!
The New York Democrats are scrambling for reelection in November and they think they are giving the electorate what they want.
COVID-19 has already exposed them as incompetent inept managers.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/defying-police-unions-new-york-lawmakers-ban-chokeholds/ar-BB15d801?ocid=spartandhp
@John
You have made your points many times here even though this is not the blog. What did we say about being intelligent again?
RE A good waste of an education.
IT IS NOT A WASTE OF EDUCATION IF MEN DONT TOW THE BU LINE
I FOR EXAMPLE CONTRIBUTED CONSIDERABLY IN MY SHORT STINT IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE AND AT ST JOSEPH’S WHEN FEW WOULD HELP TO DEVELOP AN EMERGENCY ROOM IN THE NORTH
DR LUCAS HAS CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY AND SO HAS JOHN
THE CONTRIBUTION TO MANY WHO TOW THE BU LINE PALES IN SIGNIFICANCE
WUH WASTE OF EDUCATION WUH?
THAT JOHN IS INTELLIGENT CAN NOT BE REFUTED
HE DOES NOT PUT HALF THE RUBBISH ON BU THAN A MULTITUDE WHO COME HERE
AND THAT CAN NOT BE REFUTED
@ GP June 8, 2020 3:10 PM
As I said, the person who posted the contents of the blog above ,does not know anything about science methodology and has displayed gross ignorance of the topic. Those exposed to science are taught to be objective. Presenting papers at scientific conferences is not an ordeal for the faint-hearted. The attacks are un-relenting if findings are incorrect; if the experimental design is faulty. One is made to look like an idiot if sloppy work is presented and asked to withdraw the paper in public before one’s peers.
There are many reviews about how that process can be compromised at times. It does not mean it will not correct.
John Knox’s MO is to produce white noise to kill debate by distracting
@ Robert Lucas
@ GP
The process of validation which both of you want to claim for the Natural Sciences are required by the BU Household. Your counter usually is: we did Natural Science so we are right you others do not know what you are talking about. Pure Intellectual arrogance.
Bona fide scientists keep open minds and are humble.
The amusing part about your approaches are that you are very often behind in the latest findings by those who have access to your professional journals on the Internet. So can we expect some more humility from you both ?
@ David BU
Your moot under discussion is timely.It needed ventilation for a long time.Events prove that there are lazy educated people in our society,whose aim is to use their diplomas and their connections for upward social mobility. They contribute little, talk nuff and do not keep up with developments in their professions. They have only collected a body of knowledge whose sell by dates have passed
@June 9, 2020 1:03 AM @ GP June 8, 2020 3:10 PM “As I said, the person who posted the contents of the blog above ,does not know anything about science methodology and has displayed gross ignorance of the topic. Those exposed to science are taught to be objective. Presenting papers at scientific conferences is not an ordeal for the faint-hearted. The attacks are un-relenting if findings are incorrect; if the experimental design is faulty. One is made to look like an idiot if sloppy work is presented and asked to withdraw the paper in public before one’s peers.”
I am not disputing your science.
I am disputing your politics. If your BU “papers” were presented at a scientific conference would you be not be faint hearted? Would the attacks not be unrelenting? Would not your political findings be found to be incorrect? Your understanding faulty? Would you not be made to look like an idiot? Would you not be made to withdraw your papers in public before your peers?
A person can be absolutely correct about a narrow scientific field.
And absolutely wrong about many, many things outside of his or her narrow field.
Take my correction and move forward as a better man.
GP’s medicine =8.5%
His politics=0%
His theology=1%
The 1% for theology, is because he learnt as a child and still sees value in good music.
Murdaaaaaaa!🤣🤣🤣
Some time ago we had a great discussion on BU about the bold claim by @Pilgrim that the London School of Economics was the greatest university in the world. Some Google expert jumped in and gave support to this obvious fabrication.
The latest World University Rankings are now out and LSE comes 49th overall, compared with Oxford 5th, Cambridge 7th, Imperial 8th, University College 10th (remember I said LSE was not even the best university in London?), King’s College 31st.
In the wider scheme of things, such as the murder of George Floyd, this is really unimportant, but we must stop Googling idiots from making bogus claims on the blog.
RE Your moot under discussion is timely.It needed ventilation for a long time.Events prove that there are lazy educated people in our society,whose aim is to use their diplomas and their connections for upward social mobility. They contribute little, talk nuff and do not keep up with developments in their professions. They have only collected a body of knowledge whose sell by dates have passed
Murdaaaaaaa IN TRUTE !
I DIDNT GET ANY upward social mobility WITH MY diplomas BUT IM CONTENT AND RUNNING WITH PATIENCE THE RACE THAT IS SET BEFORE ME
IN BARBADOS YOU GET UPWARD MOBILITY BY LICKING ADIPOSE TISSUE OVERLAYING PEOPLES GLUTEI.
SOME LIE DOWN TO GET UP
SOME JUST LIE
I contributeD MUCH IN MY TIME AND EVERY WEEK I KEEP UP with developments in MY professions. IT COMES IN MY EMAIL. THIS INFO IS FRESH SO I AM NOT COLLECTING a body of knowledge whose sell by dates have passed
I JUST REFUSE TO SHARE IT AND WISELY SO IT IS NOT WORTH MUCH TO WUNNAH
NB GP’s medicine =8.5% Murdaaaaaaa IN TRUTE !
IM AMUSED BECAUSE THE SAME FOLK THAT CUSS DR LUCAS DAILY SITTING WAITING FOR THE NUGGETS OF TRUTH FROM HIS body of knowledge whose sell by dates have passed TO HELP THEIR GARDENING UH LIE?
RE The 1% for theology I learnt as a child I LEARNED IN THE ANGLICAN CHURCH
THE REST I LEARNED BY DILIGENT STUDY AND NONE OF WUNNAH CANT REFUTE ANYTHING I SAY ABOUT THE WORD OF GOD
IN THE WORDS OF HIM WHO CAN ONLY CONTRIBUTE THESE WORDS I SAY “GOOD MORNING TO ALL IN BARBADOS, AND HAVE A GOOD DAY.
I HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH IN GENESIS FOUR TODAY
I WILL LOOK IN FROM TIME TO TIME FOR SOME AMUSEMENT
@ GP at 8:59 AM
Look my crosses though! Who called your name ,Boazee? Are you denying that there are lazy educated persons in Barbados and the world? And why are you including Robert Lucas among them?
Mr Codrington Sir
I gave you a specific answer about me to your generic question.
I have not said that Dr Lucas is a lazy educated persons in Barbados and the world. I said in perfect English that IM AMUSED BECAUSE THE SAME FOLK THAT CUSS DR LUCAS DAILY SITTING WAITING FOR THE NUGGETS OF TRUTH FROM HIS body of knowledge whose sell by dates have passed TO HELP THEIR GARDENING.
And that can not be refuted!
re Look my crosses though! Please see that you only embrace one cross–that of Christ!
Now run off and be be a good boy, and as my long departed granny would say DONT FOLLOW THE MULTITUDE TO DO EVIL.
Steuspe
Steuspe INDEED!
THAT WAS A BRILLIANT ANSWER AS THE ENGLISH WOULD SAY! UH LIE?
Once a man twice a child.
Once a man twice a child IS ACTUALLY VERY VERY NORMAL FROM MY QUIET SIMPLE AND INTELLIGENT OBSERVATION .
Hal Austin
June 10, 2020 8:56 AM
The latest World University Rankings are now out and LSE comes 49th overall, compared with Oxford 5th, Cambridge 7th, Imperial 8th, University College 10th (remember I said LSE was not even the best university in London?), King’s College 31st.
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Nyall Fergusson of Imperial 8th recently delivered a paper predicting outcomes for COVID-19.
He was way way way out.
It was peer reviewed by the Media (and BU) and spread far and wide.
“A person can be absolutely correct about a narrow scientific field. And absolutely wrong about many, many things outside of his or her narrow field.”
A person can also be a fraud and when peer reviewed by an bunch of other frauds can cause havoc which is illustrated in the case of Nyall Fergusson and his group of esteemed peers who reviewed his paper..
Depends on intent.
GP IN BARBADOS YOU GET UPWARD MOBILITY BY LICKING ADIPOSE TISSUE OVERLAYING PEOPLES GLUTEI.
SOME LIE DOWN TO GET UP
SOME JUST LIE
That is right though. A lot of jokers get through by that and more. I think a bit more than licking. I have come across people who made me wonder how they got where they got and not a race thing either, was all types.
Some of the most capable people do not get through because they will not lie down nor lie. While incompetents and some nincompoops do. Barbados has also been a place to ‘not rock the boat’. That is a remnant of the colonial past.
Sad but there it is. That, along with corruption are Barbados two most significant hindrances to development. The two go hand in hand.
Hal Austin is a real piece of work. In addition to the QS rankings, the Complete Guide (www.TheCompleteUniversityGuide.co.uk) was also released. It shows LSE 4th after Cambridge, Oxford and St.Andrews, which are all outside of London. If one looks at Times World Rankings, LSE is 2nd in London, 5th in the UK and 27th in the world. 49th/1,000 and 27th/1,397. Different assessors, different tables. But you can continue with your anti-LSE tirade simply because you detest the Adams fella and Mottley, and need to discredit them at all costs.
In closing, I don’t need to Google; info with the link is sent to my inbox. I get a newsletter and whenever the rankings come out there is some mention. So Chrome, Firefox, Edge or Safari are needed but not Google. In any event only Hal Austin has access to sites outside of Google? The vertically challenged nuffernarian takes himself too seriously.
” Nation News understands it is in connection with a multi-million dollar payment which is now part of a fraud investigation by the Royal Barbados Police Force.
More details as they come.”
@Hants
Leroy Parris arrested.