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Dear Sir/Madam

There was an article in your newspaper of 3 .February 2020 entitled: “Barbados not rushing to ban travellers from China.” The same message was also aired on radio. Mention was made about the statistical likelihood of an outbreak locally being under two percent. There was even mention of the fact that since 1967 there was no real impact on Barbados of the outbreak of contagious diseases. According to the aired news the local authorities were following the World Health Organization (WHO) guidelines. As the holder of a doctorate in microbiology and some one who has done post doctoral studies in the discipline, I have a few questions, which I want answered in the public interest.

According to the Center for Disease control and Prevention (CDC). the virus has an incubation period of two weeks. Infected person maybe asymptomatic during the two-week period. It was for this reason the USA instituted a ban on persons who had been exposed for less than two weeks entering its domain. The reason given for doing so was the logistics involved in screening for potential carriers. Let me explain.

Let us assume there is an asymptomatic carrier who has entered the Barbadian domain and is interacting with the locals. After realizing that there is an active carrier in Barbados, it is incumbent on the authorities to track down and screen all persons who have interacted with the carrier. If the carrier has interacted with one hundred persons, each person has to be screened. This only allows for interaction of the carrier with one hundred persons. Allowance also has to be made for the interaction of each member of the one-hundred with other people. As can be envisaged, the number of persons required to screen, dramatically increases to such an extent, that the screening process breaks down. It is for this reason that countries have introduced a ban on persons who come from infected areas. In the case illustrated above where would Barbados get the required trained persons to actively carry out screening?

There has been mention of the fact that Barbados is following the WHO guidelines. Is this the same WHO that was shown to be totally incompetent its handling of Ebola? What about the Haitian cholera outbreak? The latter was under the aegis of the United Nation of which WHO is a part. The best scientists in the field do not work for WHO; they are found in research institutions. The WHO like all other United Nations bodies are constrained by political realities of member states who push political objectives ahead of what the correct scientific should be. As far as I can make out, there seems to be a pecuniary method behind Barbados’s stance on this matter: namely an effort not to affect the tourist industry.

 

Sincerely

 

Robert D. Lucas, PH.D.

734 responses to “Coronavirus Back Story – Why Barbados is NOT Banning Travel from Affected Areas”


  1. EXPERT AT GROSS IGNORANCE


  2. @ robert lucas February 4, 2020 2:46 PM “Wickham seems to think (he/she) is an authority on most topic Anyhow money is the name of the Barbados is playing”

    With all due respect Robert, your education is in food science. You are not a virologist, not an epidemiologist nor a statistician, not a medical doctor


  3. Thanks Dr. GP for your sensible contributions so far. keep them coming.


  4. Does anyone knows why the PM opt for allowing Chinese people in the country in the face of the Corona Virus
    What does she know that other international countries does not know when they opt not to allow Chinese people further immigration status


  5. I will speak shortly to my sister-in-law, a registered nurse who worked screening all during the SARS epidemic. She is 80 now and not a nervous Nellie like some ‘o wunna.

    Good strong, smart, Bajan woman who actually worked on the front line during a time of infections with the SARS virus. Her daughter is now on the front line also. Join me in hailing strong, bright, fearless Bajan women.

    Another nursing sister spent a whole career working with TB patients. Now in her 70’s and hale and hearty.

    Just fancy the young strong, smart, Bajan women hold the front line and the old men of BU are afraid of sickness and death. Look fellas, wunna in the departure lounge anyhow.

    I am surprised that nobody has told my Bajan kinfolk that they suffer from the Bajan Condition.


  6. See now why I love my Bajan women so much.


  7. Best piece of graffiti I ever saw: You are never going to get out of this life alive.

    Second best piece: Virginity is like a balloon, one prick and it is all gone.


  8. RE Are soldiers doctors?

    THE BDF MEDICAL UNIT IS SERVICED BY SOME OF THE BEST DRS IN BARBADOS
    IT WAS SET UP BY A NURSE WHO TRAINED IN THE UK AND WAS APPARENTLY PART OF THE BRITISH ARMY MEDICAL SET UP
    THERE IS A PLACE FOR ADMISSION OF ILL SOLDIERS
    WHEN I WORKED THERE YOU WOULD TURN UP FOR THE SICK “PARADE”
    ONCE USHERED TO YOUR OFFICE/EXAMINING ROOM, YOU WOULD PRESS A BUTTON WHEN READY, AND A SOLDIER WOULD ENTER
    FOLLOWING YOUR CONSULTATION, THE SOLDIER WOULD DEPART VIA A DOOR BEHIND YOU DIRECTLY INTO THE PHARMACY, YOU WOULD PRESS A BUTTON WHEN READY, AND A SOLDIER WOULD ENTER——MILITARY PRECISION QUIET, VERY EFFICIENT

    NOTE THAT THE BDF IS SERVICED BY TRAINED EFFICIENT NURSES

  9. Piece the Legend Avatar

    @ “d”

    I was reading what you said AND I QUOTE

    “…Since 9/11,most countries in world have an idea of who and where visitors entering their domain originate.

    So it should be relatively simple to obtain the passengers’ manifest and ascertain their point of origin; even if they are transiting through a third country …”

    Do some of you people INCLUDING WICKHAM (apparently) read what you write?

    Relatively simple to read a 3 legged passenger manifest AND DETERMINE what the “previous leg” 24 hours previous from Wuhan through other ports of embarkation to Heathrow?

    From the time one takes the fourth leg, barring in 6 countries worldwide, ALL OTHER INFORMATION has lost all real time concatenation!


  10. @ Silly Women February 4, 2020 8:09 PM

    I am a research microbiologist. I have isolated and classified bacteria. Virology comes under the heading of microbiology. I have extracted DNA and transformed bacteria using extracted DNA doing my post doc. I have invented/developed growth media using pigeon pea (Cajanus cajan). You have displayed the saying a little bit of learning is a dangerous thing. Microbiology is microbiology, the basics are the same whether one is dealing with food or medicine. The growth requirements are the same and the techniques used to isolate are the same. Do you know that some of the most dangerous microbes are encountered in food? One also encounters viruses in food. You need to toughen up and do a bit more reading on this particular topic..


  11. CDC: Information for public health professionals
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/php/index.html


  12. CDC: Information for Laboratories
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/index.html


  13. CDC: Information for Healthcare Professionals
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/index.html


  14. Locations with Confirmed 2019-nCoV Cases
    China
    Hong Kong
    Macau
    Taiwan
    Australia
    Belgium
    Cambodia
    Canada
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    India
    Italy
    Japan
    Malaysia
    Nepal
    Philippines
    Russia
    Sri Lanka
    Singapore
    Spain
    Sweden
    Thailand
    The Republic of Korea
    United Arab Emirates
    United Kingdom
    United States
    Vietnam

    This means that if we ban travellers from countries where there are confirmed cases of this virus all of our favourite BU men won’t be able to visit Barbados, not Piece, not Hal, not Hants, not Sargeant, not Miller etc. etc.

    Or is it that we just want to pick on Chinese?


  15. @ Silly Woman

    Remember I also teach Public health students at BCC.


  16. Is this the BDF which recently got a US$1.7m handout from the US government? How big is the BDF medical corp? Do they have the facilities to cope with a pandemic? Are we happy we are in safe hands?


  17. @ Hal February 5, 2020 9:19 AM

    I do not know how big it is. I have always been of the opinion that the BDF is a waste of time and money . I remember Lt. Colonel Leonard Banfield saying that Barbados did not need the BDF that, the Volunteer force was adequate. What Barbados really need is a proper coast guard to patrol and defend its exclusive economic zone (stop the Asians) catching our fish.


  18. @Robert Lucas

    Sometimes we are in agreement. this is one of those times


  19. Suffice to say govt made a political decision based on revenue coming from tourism
    The people safety could not have been given much thought
    Countries with better health facilities and workers closed their doors
    The bottom line that being the dollar has been given preference over the safety of the people
    The numbers of those been affected world wide should have been sufficient for govt to put safety first
    All it takes is one to be infected and the fear which would grip the country would be worse than the virus itself as people seek answers having no where to go


  20. @ robert lucas February 5, 2020 9:35 AM

    In total agreement with your proposal which has already been mentioned on BU by others including Hal Austin.

    The (Royal) Police Force is in need of some good disciplined men already trained in the areas of weapons handling and enforcement of public order.

    Why would the policymakers pay heed to your call about the exploitation of the country’s 200 mile economic zone off the Atlantic Ocean when they can simply carry on importing the same fish in cans of brine from the same SE Asian countries?

    We shall soon see what would be their ‘reactive’ behaviour when there is some outbreak of botulism from consuming ‘blow’ food in cans and mercury laden fish.

    You can point out if the food science analysis is ‘spot on’.

    BTW, do you know the kind of conditions under which the tilapia and other farm-raised fish are reared in China and exported to countries like Barbados?


  21. @ Robert

    You are of course right about prolonging the agony of the BDF. It should be desolved immediately and the men and woman transferred to the Coastguard or the police.
    We do not need an army, whose only real job is shooting down our citizens, protecting our territorial waters are far more important. The last time I said this some clever guy said the entry level exams for the police were more difficult than for the BDF. How bright.
    Such a move would also save about Bds$30m a year.

  22. Piece the Legend Avatar

    De ole man will use de internet to advance this conspiracy? theory

    “…Biological warfare (BW)—also known as germ warfare—is the use of biological toxins or infectious agents such as bacteria, viruses, and fungi with the intent to kill or incapacitate humans, animals or plants as an act of war…”

    I will continue with another snippet from elsewhere

    “…The use of biological weapons is prohibited by international law. It is scarcely used in modern times.

    The first diplomatic effort to limit biological warfare was the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare…”

    Now jes bear with a fellow who likes the guy called Tin Foil, a little.

    What if version A of CoronaVirus (FOR WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE A CURE) is deployed at ground zero?

    Then, AFTER AN APPROPIATE LAG TIME, version B of the more virulent version of the virus FOR WHICH WE ALSO HAVE A CURE, is released into the rest of the world?

    Will you the people and sheeple know who is the culprit?

    And by the way, ALL UH WUNNA JES DEALING WITH WHO GOING CATCH IT FIRST or who will be engaged to manage its containment BUT have no imput into its cure!

    Talk on!

  23. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Is this BDF/Coast Guard debate a practical one or just a whimsical word play!

    *What is the current BDF if not the old ‘Volunteer Force’/Regiment reconstituted under a necessary Defence Act to reformulate the men and women under regs of a modern time and needs.

    *If there was no standing force called the BDF then as is being suggested it would be a standing Bdos Coast Guard and supposedly another 200 or so police officers… that latter suggestion taken in conjunction with previous debates on bad boys and crime clearly authors the view of a larger ‘Task Force’ compliment all of whom would be using military style weapons and tactics.

    In short, the BDF type personnel in police uniforms.

    This is the rational part of the debate as one can argue for and against a military standing force vrs a larger police contingent… but to debate the merits of the old Regiment vis what was created under the Defense Act is a nonsense when viewed in the PRACTICAL context of the rights (work conditions, retirement benefits, responsibilities etc) of the enrolled soldiers/sailors/officers, today’s environment of terrorism and the intricacies of handling that and a host of other related national security issues.

    Maybe a small island does not need military force per se but it surely needs a coast guard and despite the overblown chatter of the land based army contingent of our BDF the Coast Guard navy division is still it’s most significant and likely drives a higher % of expenditure for it’s smaller size (which seems to be about 20% of the BDF).

    If protecting the island and reducing acts of terror and crime against the homeland is the real motivation here then the semantics of regiment and BDF should be dismissed and the real issues explored.


  24. The BDF force complements existing resources. Why do we always go down the rabbit hole with nuisance debate.


  25. @ Miller February 5, 2020 9:57 AM

    One should really boycott canned fish products from Thailand. The Thais employ slave labor on the factory -ships ( kidnap people from Burma and do not pay them. Keep them under very bad conditions) . Barbadians do not have much choice, they buy the products because of cost. You have a point with methyl mercury content of fish Food standards in that part of the world leave a lot to be desired.

  26. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Pieces, you can wear any color tin foil you like to create the bio-warfare genesis for this latest pandemic scare.

    Surely, if we had this level of social coms during the first cholera outbreaks or any of the more catasthtophic later events there would have been shouts of bio warfare also….

    We had these claims for AIDS did we not!

    And there are research groups who suggest that a variety of viruses can be altered for terror use … microbe agents included like dengue, Ebola, smallpox, or chikungunya, influenza and Zika.

    In short good sir, your tin foil may yet be wrinkled from too much use but truly there are many who believe in your color foils!

    ANY outbreak is as likely to be deliberately caused as caused by unsanitary conditions, dirty habits and immune weakness,
    considering the current fantastic abilities in understanding these pathogens and developing antidotes.

    Foil on!


  27. @Hal Austin February 5, 2020 10:17 AM “We do not need an army, whose only real job is shooting down our citizens,”

    i can’t recall anybody from the Barbados Defense Force ever shooting down any Barbadian. If you have evidence of such, can you please provide the evidence to us. Thanks.


  28. All this talk about aquaculture is done without looking at the adverse effects to the environment. Lots of antibiotics have to be used just to get the farmed fish to market weight. This leads to antibiotic resistance, a high level of cancers and deformities and of course pollution of the coastal marine environment. One should really avoid farmed seafood.


  29. @Piece the Legend February 5, 2020 11:25 AM? “Then, AFTER AN APPROPIATE LAG TIME, version B of the more virulent version of the virus FOR WHICH WE ALSO HAVE A CURE, is released into the rest of the world? Will you the people and sheeple know who is the culprit?”

    No actually. We won’t know who is the culprit is/was because we would all be dead. And dead people don’t worry their heads ’bout blaming, he or blaming she, or blaming dem.

    And in addition please bear in mind that all of the people in the world are China’s customers. If China kills its customers, then who wil be left to buy Chinese goods?

    Long ago an old rummie in the village died. He had long been regarded as no use etc. at the funeral the village shop keeper cried the most tears until somebody asked him ‘why you crying for wufless ‘dolphus?

    “He was my best customer” the shop keeper replied.

    China needs customers.

    The United States needs customers.

    All of the countries on the list which I posted earlier today needs customers.

    You may despise your customers. You may hold them in contempt. You may know that they are stupid. But It does not make sense to kill your customers.

    Except in the fervid imagination of our Piece.


  30. Silly Woman February 5, 2020 12:26 PM

    “i can’t recall anybody from the Barbados Defense Force ever shooting down any Barbadian.”

    When I was in the cadets many years ago, the biggest thing was the route march. Both the cadets and Volunteer force placed stress on drilling; there wasn’t much stress placed on field craft. With the Grenada invasion, the Americans didn’t think too highly of the BDF , had them guarding buildings. So you might have a point, they couldn’t be trusted not to run away under hostile fire.


  31. @de pedantic Dribbler February 5, 2020 12:19 PM. We had these claims for AIDS did we not!”

    We had these claims for AIDS because the sexual revolution f the 1960’s was so much fun, and none of us including me wanted to give up the zipless phucks…so we came up with conspiracy theory…


  32. The coronavirus outbreak has killed 492 people worldwide, the majority of which are in China, and infected more than 24,500 people across 25 countries.


  33. There is a Chinese who lives in Barbados who visited China. He recently returned to Barbados. He has been placed in quarantine.
    This is not alarmist talk. This is a fact. The person’s wife talked to the accountant who works for them. The accountant is very close family to me.


  34. @ Robert

    What is the purpose of the BDF? What is its role?


  35. Hong Kong is to impose a mandatory 14-day quarantine on all visitors from mainland China as it battles to prevent the spread of a coronavirus outbreak.
    The policy comes into effect on Saturday but officials refused to close the border entirely, as demanded by medical staff who have gone on strike.
    Hong Kong, which has 21 confirmed cases and one fatality, suffered 300 deaths in the Sars outbreak in 2002-03.
    There are 24,300 confirmed coronavirus cases and 490 deaths on the mainland.
    Those figures included an additional 4,000 cases and 65 deaths on Tuesday.
    Diary of a life in locked-down Wuhan
    Could it become pandemic?
    The virus has spread overseas, with 25 nations confirming a total of 191 cases, although there has so far been only one death, in the Philippines.(Quote)


  36. @robert lucas February 5, 2020 1:09 PM “There is a Chinese who lives in Barbados who visited China. He recently returned to Barbados. He has been placed in quarantine.This is not alarmist talk. This is a fact. The person’s wife talked to the accountant who works for them. The accountant is very close family to me.”

    So?

    It seems to me that Barbados is very sensibly following WHO protocols,

    But I know that you have little confidence in WHO as you wrote yesterday

    “There has been mention of the fact that Barbados is following the WHO guidelines. Is this the same WHO that was shown to be totally incompetent its handling of Ebola? What about the Haitian cholera outbreak? The latter was under the aegis of the United Nation of which WHO is a part. The best scientists in the field do not work for WHO; they are found in research institutions. The WHO like all other United Nations bodies are constrained by political realities of member states who push political objectives”


  37. @ Hal February 5, 2020 1:09 PM

    To cow the populace and to find work for the unemployed. The former intent seems to be moot these days : when first thought up, the populace was cowed and very docile. With all the stealing by the lawyers and politicians and Pablo Escobar leading the way, the populace ditched the cowed state and armed itself with AK 47 and IED (improvised explosive devices) and is now a match in fire power for the authorities.

    To answer your question : no purpose at all.


  38. @ Silly Woman February 5, 2020 1:23 PM

    The WHO is basically a politicalized organization. Scientific facts are down played to political considerations. The United Nations are responsible for introducing cholera to Haiti. Not only that, the UN then tried to dispute the origins of the causative agent, even though the DNA profiles of the causative agent were shown to be identical to that obtained from Nepal . The UN have refused to compensate the poorest country in the western hemisphere. One would have expected better from an organization that claim the WHO as its show piece. Sloppiness of the worse order.


  39. Silly Woman February 5, 2020 1:23 PM

    This is one reason why I am persona non grata in this country.


  40. @Robert Lucas,

    you have restored my faith in my former school. i hope you will never venture outside your field of expertise. that is when you go off the deep end. at the moment you are batting soundly re the BDF, aquaculture, and the coronavirus.

  41. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Oh dear, senor Greene, why would u lose faith in your Waterford U!

    They are many who do the institution proud…back to the Dr. Sandifords (the one who wrote the history and the others of his name sake) and all the way up the line to the many national athletes, statesmen, Colonels (as we have BDF under debate), CoPs, MPs, Judges and more!

    I don’t imagine those of HC, QC Foundation or CP or Parkinson or any other former student should lose faith because of the shenanigans from one or two of their well known former colleagues!

    And talking about jobs at BDF your school could likely have about two plaques in their school hall dedicated to all those former cadet officers who became Colonels in the BDF and another 10 or so for other senior officers!

    So what was the despair … one memorable PM; the attorneys in the ‘Hall of Shame’, what exactly!

    What a thing.


  42. @February 5, 2020 1:39 PM “Silly Woman The WHO is basically a politicalized organization. Scientific facts are down played to political considerations. The United Nations are responsible for introducing cholera to Haiti. Not only that, the UN then tried to dispute the origins of the causative agent, even though the DNA profiles of the causative agent were shown to be identical to that obtained from Nepal . The UN have refused to compensate the poorest country in the western hemisphere. One would have expected better from an organization”

    Cholera was accidentally reintroduced to Haiti by Nepalese relief workers, that is very different from saying that ” The United Nations are responsible for introducing cholera to Haiti.” I agree with you that the UN ought to compensate Haiti. But remember the Nepalese relief workers were also in Barbados on rest and recreation in the aftermath of the Haiti earthquake, i saw the “blue berets” on Broad Street myself, yet no cholera was transmitted in Haiti. So the problem was the Nepalese relief workers + the earthquake+ Haiti’s generally poor infrastructure For Haiti’s poor infrastructure let us blame France which brutally exploited the Haitian people for hundreds of years, and some of the blame is also on some of Haiti’s subsequent “leaders” who also brutally exploited their own people + Haiti’s white and mulatto elites who colluded with the politicians to continue the centuries long exploitation of the Haitian people.

    So to solely blame the UN is simplistic.


  43. CORRECTION yet no cholera was transmitted in Barbados.


  44. @DPD,

    it have all to do with Robert Lucas posting nonsense outside his expertise rather than what you mentioned lol. when he sticks to his field he is on the ball.


  45. @ Silly Woman February 5, 2020 4:51 PM
    “For Haiti’s poor infrastructure let us blame France which brutally exploited the Haitian people for hundreds of years, and some of the blame is also on some of Haiti’s subsequent “leaders” who also brutally exploited their own people + Haiti’s white and mulatto elites who colluded with the politicians to continue the centuries long exploitation of the Haitian people.
    So to solely blame the UN is simplistic.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes indeed Simple Simon(e)!
    Extremely simplistic to blame the UN directly for the transmission of the cholera in Saint Dominique.

    Maybe it was ‘innocently’ done in the same way you blame men (and their absence from the homes as if they live on the streets) solely for the crimes committed in Barbados.

    Most Bajan men live in households where there are children (both boys and girls); even if not their biological offspring. And that’s a sociological fact, whether you accept it or not.

    Just a taste of your own medicine as the antidote to a severe infection of feminist ignorance!

    BTW, Barbados has long enjoyed a rather good potable water distribution system which no reliance on surface water (rivers and streams) as a source for human and animal consumption. You ought to thank the white people for that!


  46. @ Silly Woman February 5, 2020 4:51 PM

    “Cholera was accidentally reintroduced to Haiti by Nepalese relief workers, that is very different from saying ”

    I would suggest that you stop nit-picking facts. The Nepalese were in Haiti under the aegis of the United Nations(UN) The Nepalese did not invite themselves. There they were defecating in to streams in one of the poorest countries in the world. The WHO is part of the UN. Sloppy selection practices in picking peace keepers. Thousand of people died. This is the same UN whose Indian troops in Africa were having sex with under age girls and at the same engaged in smuggling gold and other precious stones out of Africa. Stop making flimsy excuses.


  47. Social media platforms are lambasting Mia for her decision to let Chinese in Barbados
    Waxphalax the licks hot


  48. Was Barbados the source of this dastardly virus, does anyone here feel that China or any other country would hesitate to ban all travel into and out of this island paradise? Would they pause to discuss the pros and cons as to the merits and demerits regarding safety to their citizens? I think not, yet here are we, and other Caribbean governments, playing with the lives and welfare of us all, and to what purpose?

    I sometimes wonder why we invest, ney spend, so much money on educating our only natural resource all the while hoping that we will discover the brightest and the best.


  49. For sure Trump watching this decision by the barbados govt and if in as much as one person here get infected one can bet that Trump would put measures in place making it harder for people coming out of barbados to enter the USA
    Mia might think she is providing a safe haven for the Chinese dollars
    But she better think about the other economic repercussions it can have on country and people
    Trump has made no bones about the fact he is taking no risk in letting any one living in these infected countries into America
    Hence for sure Truml will be closely watching countries taking such high risk


  50. A whole bunch of confusion at the Dome Mall
    One chinese guy put in quarantine
    This is the kind of govt that think it knows it all.

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