Time to Modernize Court System

Judicial Impact Assessment (JIA) is a process whereby the government can anticipate the likely cost of implementing a legislation through the courts and help deliver timely justice to litigants. Litigation demand depends on a variety of factors most of which are not factored in the making of laws. This results in the court system being left with little or no extra resources to cope with additional cases generated by new laws… The Hindu (Judicial impact assessment and timely delivery of justice)

One of the pillar issues of the Barbados Underground through the years has been to focus on a dysfunctional Barbados Judicial System.  It is a fact that timely delivery of justice in the local court system has been compromised because of many factors detailed in the Tales of the Courts.

Fast forward to the present, we have an embarrassing situation where the delivery of justice of the Barbados Supreme Court has been negatively affected because the ‘relatively’ new building is deemed to be a threat to the health of the occupants and has had to be closed for maintenance. The result is that the court system threatens to crash under its own weight- to borrow words from newly installed Attorney General Dale Marshall- as cases have had to be tried using alternative arrangements. Not to forget the ancillary services that form part of the delivery of court services that have to be arranged for as well.

Central to maintaining an orderly society is to ensure we are able to efficiently manage a judicial system that is made relevant. The inability of successive governments to ensure timely delivery of justice by providing adequate oversight has been the biggest challenge. While we are being overwhelmed by basic issues related to occupational health and safety of court buildings, misplaced files, incompetent judicial officers and the like- modern court systems in more enlightened jurisdictions are being planned.

A new flagship court specifically designed to tackle cybercrime, fraud, and economic crime will reinforce the UK’s reputation as a world-leading legal centre, the Lord Chancellor will announce tonight (Wednesday 4 July).

The following article is reproduced to be used as a benchmark to what is required if we are to align with real world demands of the legal system. It is noteworthy how technology will be integrated in the delivery of justice to manage:

  •  case files and applications to the court e.g. apply for divorce,
  • small money claims
  • apply for probate
  • create strategic linkage with the transportation sector to resolve cases.
  • deal with minor (nuisance cases) online

Read the full article (thanks to Senator Caswell Franklyn for sharing)

World-class fraud and cybercrime court approved for london’s fleetbank house site

A new flagship court specifically designed to tackle cybercrime, fraud, and economic crime will reinforce the UK’s reputation as a world-leading legal centre, the Lord Chancellor will announce tonight (Wednesday 4 July).

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  • A new flagship 18 courtroom legal centre providing world-class legal services in the heart of London given go-ahead
  • To be built on the site of Fleetbank House, the court will reinforce the UK’s position as a global legal hub

Developed in partnership with the City of London Corporation and the judiciary, the cutting edge, purpose-built court, which will also deal with business and property work as well as civil cases, will hold 18 modern courtrooms and replace the ageing civil court, Mayor’s and City of London County Court, and City of London Magistrates’ Court. Also included in the court will be a new City of London police station.

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A feasibility study to look at whether a court might be built was announced last October, and now the plan has been given the go-ahead. Speaking to members of the senior judiciary at the Mansion House this evening [4 July], the Lord Chancellor, alongside the Lord Mayor, Charles Bowman, and Lord Chief Justice, will reveal that the court will be built on the site of Fleetbank House in the heart of the City.

English law is currently used in 40% of all global corporate arbitrations, and more than 200 foreign law firms currently have offices in the UK. Revenue generated by legal activities in the UK was worth £31.5bn in 2016, and the top 100 UK law firms generated over £22bn in 2016/17. Built next to some of the world’s leading legal, business and technology firms in the heart of legal London, this court will be a sign to the world that the UK remains the global centre for law and finance.

Lord Chancellor David Gauke said:

The flag of English law is flown in countries across the globe, and London already leads the way as the best place to do business and resolve disputes.

This state-of-the-art court is a further message to the world that Britain both prizes business and stands ready to deal with the changing nature of 21st century crime.

The City of London is the world’s financial centre, hosting an unparalleled cluster of financial, professional, and business services. The City’s legal services offer, clustered around the Temples in the West of the Square Mile, which plays host to more than 17,000 solicitors, is a vibrant centre for international law firms serving their clients across the world.

Commenting on the announcement Policy Chairman of the City of London Corporation Catherine McGuinness said:

This is a hugely significant step in this project that will give the Square Mile its second iconic courthouse after the Old Bailey.

Our rule of law is one of the many reasons why London is the world’s most innovative, dynamic, and international financial centre, and this new court will add to our many existing strengths.

I’m particularly pleased that this court will have a focus on the legal issues of the future, such as fraud, economic crime, and cyber-crime.

Fleet Street may historically be known for hosting newspapers, but I believe with this iconic project it will be seen as a world leading centre for legal services and justice for decades to come.

The Government is investing £1 billion in reforming and modernising courts and tribunals, which has already delivered:

  • A fully paperless system in conjunction with Transport for London – which means thousands of cases involving fare evasion are dealt with more swiftly and effectively.
  • An online system which enables court staff to prepare case files and access them digitally in a courtroom during a hearing – saving 68 million pages of paper.
  • The ability for those convicted of minor motoring offences to make their initial plea online. Some 1500 pleas are dealt with online every week. Court staff and the police automatically receive the completed online plea form as soon as the defendant has submitted it, reducing delays.

In the civil courts people can now:

  • Make a small money claim online – with over 3,000 claims issued in the first month, cases moving through more quickly, and user satisfaction over 80% during the pre-launch pilot.
  • Apply for a divorce online – which has cut errors in application forms from 40% to less than 1%, saving people time and trouble during a traumatic time.
  • Apply for probate online – which has also cut errors, sped up the process, and has a satisfaction rate of more than 90%.

Notes to editors:

  • The timeline for building the new court is subject to finalising funding arrangements and securing planning permission. It is expected to be completed in 2025.
  • The proposal for a new court was announced last October by the City of London Corporation, and work on feasibility has now concluded and a location for the court has been set. Funding will be provided by the City of London Corporation and HMCTS.
  • The court will replace the civil court, Mayor’s and City of London County Court, and City of London Magistrates’ Court, which are owned by the City Corporation and which HMCTS operate. |* The Employment Appeal Tribunal that is currently at Fleetbank House will move to the Rolls Building.
  • The City of London Corporation is the governing body of the Square Mile dedicated to a vibrant and thriving City, supporting a diverse and sustainable London within a globally-successful UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/worldclass-fraud-and-cybercrime-court-approved-for-londons-fleetbank-house-site

There is some irony that the new president  Hon. Justice Saunders of the Caribbean Court of Justice was sworn in at the HoGs conference in Montego Bay yesterday – a court that has been strident in its observations of the failings of the local court to deliver timely decisions. Prime Minister Mia Mottley attending her first HoGs lauded the establishment of the CCJ as an example of how regional countries can leverage regional institutions to effective manage our affairs. Perhaps the time has come…

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Now if Mia, the AG and the Chief Justice could only get the supreme Court restarted, they maybe can modernize its function…I will not hold my breath, right now they can’t even get it jump started, the move from one location to the other is a challenge by itself for them…just imagine trying to upgrade the whole system using technology. .

    You cannot even get them over the last 6 years to keep the court calendar on the Supreme Court’s website up to date weekly, and even if they managed to update it, the slimest among the lawyers hellbent on keeping cases lingering in the system will swear in the courtroom in front the judge no less, that they did not see it, forcing adjournment after adjournment for years.

    I witnessed that malicious behavior myself by an unethical lawyer in a courtroom,,…I am not picking on anyone, just stating a well known fact..

    So there is no use attempting to modernize a broken court system without addressing these issues that destroyed the supreme court in the first place.

    when I said address the issue, I do not mean just talking about it for the next 5 years then stopping, I mean actually doing something about those lawyers who are 95% of the problem and caused the court system to implode….and who put the blame on the employees of the court, after they themselves were done screwing up the all cases..

    It amazed me to see judges still writing witness testimonies in longhand, no courtroom stenographer. …no laptop…I doubt their idea of recording testimony is effective, hence no adequate judgment decision can see the light of day for years due to the many misinterpretations…which disenfranchises claimants, defendants, plaintiffs….and anyone doing business with the court.

    The CCJ knew what they are talking about, the island’s court system is still stuck in the dark ages, it broke, it’s now dead…and unless we continue to expose it, nothing will be done to bring it into the 21st century, we all witnessed from Fruendel’s malicious reaction to the CCJs critique, lashing out and threatening….that they all feel more comfortable keeping the court in the 18th century…to destroy their own people’s lives.

    So far all we got since the election was talk and promises, no action, no function.

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  • It is a scandal that 2018 see Barbados with one of the most ‘delayed justice’ systems in the Caribbean!!! So many lawyers and still taking years for simple matters to be dealt with eg: divorce, small claims, traffic offences, etc..

    Is the infra-structure to blame? Who???

    One example….. traffic offences…. why have we not implemented a simple ticket system?? Why must we take a day off work for a speeding or parking offence ?? Clogging up the courthouse, Magistrate time, Police, etc. for the accused to say ‘Guilty’ and a fine imposed? A day off work for 30 seconds of court time!!!

    Come on…. CJ, get with the times or resign!!! Instead of streamlining these processes, we make them purposely difficult and slow. Earn you salary and help get Barbados back to respectability …. we are now the laughing stock of the region.

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  • We have to start a conversation about the will of governments to drive real reform to the judicial system given successive governments are made up of lawyers. Attacking individuals does not cut it, we have to be strategic and attack the structural issues. As a society we have to encourage more Comissiong like advocacy. Ironically it is his profession which permits him to be the citizen champion he has become.

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  • One example….. traffic offences…. why have we not implemented a simple ticket system?? Why must we take a day off work for a speeding or parking offence ?? Clogging up the courthouse, Magistrate time, Police, etc. for the accused to say ‘Guilty’ and a fine imposed? A day off work for 30 seconds of court time!!!

    @KS.

    Unfortunately or fortunately depending on which side of the coin u fall the court allows for delays. These delays are predicated on allowing which side that asked for it; “time to properly prepare itself” for the courtroom drama that should unfold. However, these delays are also tactics use by either side in their quest to win the judgement in their clients favour. I don’t see that changing. However the court/judge may have to limit the number of delays allowed in order to speed up things. Don’t hold your breath.

    We have a loyal opposition. Usually MPs that don’t support the Govt.. Then we have the permanent opposition(civil service/ servant); Member of the public that actually do the stuff that makes the country tick or unwind. They are the invisible force that controls the rudder that turns the HMS or MV Barbados.

    We honeslty needs massive reforms in the civil service; the unions have their place in the soup; but if too many chefs/cooks spoil the broth/soup we need to lessen the hands/impact that all the unnecessary players exert. This reform should encompass all of Govt. Legal to no-legal, and all in-between; the whole gambit.

    Just my take

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  • One immediate change would be to get so-called police prosecutors out of the courts and back on the streets. We have enough young lawyers undertake all the prosecution work. The days of police prosecutors are long gone, along with the days when old men hung around the court yards acting as ‘lawyers’ to accused persons. That history is not even talked about.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    “However the court/judge may have to limit the number of delays allowed in order to speed up things. Don’t hold your breath..”

    The Chief Justice, AG and the Registrar have a responsibilty to the taxpayers who pay their monthly salaries to pressure the judges to permanently END these maliciously contrived and well orchestrated delays by the nuisance lawyers in the bar association….. the AG and chief justice should create rules procedures that severely punishes these nuisance lawyers and their law firms…

    Even if the AG and Registar are ignorant or pretending to be about that reality and their powers to end it, the Chief Justice is not, like myself he is a creature of the US legal system and knows better…if he allows it to continue, he is being nonchalant and lazy and should be fired for wasting taxpayer’s money, just like the judges.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    And in all fairness, knowing the mentalities of those with such powers involved, if the Chief Justice is being frustrated from doing his job, like the Auditor General has been for years by government ministers to protect corruption and like am sure the chief justice has been for the last decade by Fruendel and his Fools…., in this case it would be to protect corrupt lawyers in a corrupt court system…..the CJ should do the honorable thing and resign and leave them all with their cockup.

    Cause I sure wont put it pass any of them to say one thing in front of cameras giving the CJ responsibilty to clean up and have a functioning court….just to make themselves look good….and behind the scenes frustrate his every effort…just like Fruendel did…

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  • Never! Not with the same crooks in power for the last 30years, 360 has been done and the Bajans still asleep DLP is gone! BLP next to Go, Next elections will not take 5 years + 90 days, IMF not fools like long talking E-Con-omist in Barbados

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  • Taking it to the end

    You all want to run before you can walk. Technology could provide the answer. But let’s try to first get the system working before we throw technology into the mix.

    Given our small size, it is highly probable that we could have a working and efficient court without employing fancy technology. Technology will now be a “valid” excuse to explain why a system that did not work in the first place is now not working.

    To combat cybercrime we need develop homegrown expertise. I suspect most cybercrime in the Caribbean will be directed outside of the Caribbean, We should let international police agencies take the lead in solving these natters.
    Our possible cyber criminal mastermind have already been protected (joke :-))

    Before we embark on this venture get a donation of Chinese computers infected with spyware we should at least develop some local expertise.

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  • The technology can be integrated to relieve some of the stress on the system, this is the point. Who wants to use paper files that can be misfiled if electronic filing with basic redundancy can do the trick?

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  • I like my pie in the sky guy.
    We are all aware of the benefits of technology.
    But technology does not bring an immediate answer.
    Electronic files can be wiped/erased/delete/misfiled/not created/corrupted……..
    Safeguards have to be in place.
    Expertise and experience has to be gained first,
    It is more than buying a computer and saying “tek dat”.
    Most importantly, technology does not immediately remove the corrupted human influences, In fact it can be used to enhance them. You have to address that part of the equation as well.

    Remedy: A generous helping of ground provisions – forget the pie in the sky.

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  • It is about how business is done today and will be in the future. Why should a magistrate write case notes in a book? Why should a court not be equipped to accept credit cards? Why should money be spent to create space, filing cabinets etc if a well managed network will do the job more efficiently? Why can’t a case be heard at one facility if a WAN will facilitate same from anywhere using WiFi and VPN? You may have the last word.

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  • Surely if Lawyer A is too swamped to handle a case at a court appointed time then he should get one of the many other lawyers looking for work to handle it……….. we got hundreds of lawyers looking for work………… stop the delays and stupid adjournments!!! If Doctors and other professionals were as deviant & tardy as the lawyers, we would be in BIG trouble!!

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  • Caswell Franklyn

    There is absolutely no need to ensure that the current systems are working perfectly before going digital. The major reason, for the delays, is the current systems. Let me explain: the systems are designed to ensure that lawyers make a more than decent living. Simple things that require no particular legal skills are designed in such a way that a lawyer must at least sign some document or the matter can go no further.

    In England since 1985 persons could do their own land transactions or hire a licensed conveyancer, who is not a solicitor. As a result, the cost of conveyancing has plummeted. We tend to refuse to copy innovative ideas from other jurisdictions if it means reducing the exorbitant legal fees that lawyers can charge. Mind you, I don’t suggest that you should expect reform any time soon because we continue to have too many lawyers in Parliament.

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  • Caswell,

    Those areas you mentioned are not all. Law firms should be allowed to advertise and compete; why should the state have a role in how much lawyers charge for conveyancing? The reality is tat the work needed for the sale or purchase of a mansion is the same as that needed for the sale or purchase of a rundown property, yet we have fees listed in the Official Gazette.
    I remember at the height of the global economic boom property sales in Barbados were about 2000 or so at the maximum, I was told by a minister in the Arthur government.
    It was clear to me that many of the lawyers did not get any conveyancing work, and many of those who did had very little experience. We all knew that at the top of the chain were the old solicitor firms, then the well-known attorneys would get a large portion of the remaining cases.
    Allowing firms to advertise would drive down costs and benefit consumers – unless this is precisely what the lawyer/politicians do not want. We also want to see law and accountancy firms merging to offer a better service to the consumer.
    There are also tribunals and official cases that there is no need for a qualified lawyer with a right of audience. In the family court, for example, someone qualified in welfare law would be better representative than an attorney who gets one case every year.
    I know the unthinking would say Barbados is snot the UK, but even in the conservative UK we move occasionally. In the early 1970s we reformed our court system and created Crown Courts, Barbados still has the outdated assizes and so on; we have the Tesco laws which allow supermarkets or other firms to take over law firms; @Caswel has mentioned conveyancing, but most universities now offer certificates and diplomas in specialist areas of law (pensions, sports, housing, etc).
    Some time ago the UWI was considering opening a campus in the UK and I was asked to give a view by a team representing Dr Harris. I suggested it was a very good idea but start with a soft launch – certificates, diplomas, undergraduate and post graduate degrees in Caribbean studies, etc. Areas that the English would not see as controversial. I also suggested a UK LEC course on the grounds that many black lawyers in the UK would like to be qualified to practice in the Caribbean but would not be prepared to spend any time studying at Mona or St Augustine. Such a course would have been commercially successful. But, not surprisingly, I was dropped off the consulting list.
    The powers that be wanted to launce with medical courses etc. Can you imagine the British allowing a Caribbean medical school to move in to London to compete with their own? It was lunacy. The British would have found a way to close down such courses. Then there is the research courses such as diplomas in EU law, WTO law, financial regulation, etc.
    These are the radical changes we want a new and dynamic government to introduce, not just offering jobs for the boys and girls. A new government for the 21st century, to be mission-critical, to think outside the box, and whatever cliché you want.
    The reality is that this conservatism also protects privilege, the logic of life in the managerial/professional classes. But their poverty of ideas is damaging. We have just had a general election with 130 candidates, which should be a defining moment, where are the books and serious essays about the campaign and election and what they represent? Where is the debate – BU aside – about amending the constitution to accommodate the sons and daughters of privilege?
    .

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  • An interesting comment. Three schools of thought
    1) Put the cart before the horse
    2) Put the horse before the cart
    3) The donkey dead, it doesn’t matter where you put the cart

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @David Mr Blogmaster, that was an amusing non-argument with @Theo 🤣…its amusing that here in 2018 its considered ‘pie in sky’ to have modern technology tools in our court system.

    You asked who ” wants to use paper files that can be misfiled if electronic filing with basic redundancy can do the trick?” … Well the physical misfiling is not the issue really as just with digital files there should be more than adequate redundencies…the issue is of course using the available tools for more efficiency, speed and improved litigant service.

    In that regard I can only laugh hilariously because I recall eons ago when for example Phil Nicholls was still an up and coming white-shoe law partner-to-be that those legal guys were transitioning to PC based filing and legal process systems. So what a hoot to read above in a context of this tech being out of our league !

    The senator said it bluntly: “the systems are designed to ensure that lawyers make a more than decent living”.

    Any judge who is taking years to issue a judgement is indifferent, lazy or incompetent because he or she should already have access to quickly transcribed stenographed details from within his/her court; easy access to research the legal precedents; a top of the line voice-to-text activated system and a law cleark to do anything else available technology can’t!

    The use of technology in local courts is a NON argument as you suggest because it covers basic stuff that has been part of how ” business is done today and will be in the future”.

    And BTW, why is there this ridiculous perception that some Bajans are not competently aware of cyber crime issues to a level that they could be a formidible partner to fight the issues….after all, we have one ole-man on this blog who daily displays the superior knowledge of his grandson… so tell me, is that lad and his senior the ONLY two so competent on de rock and haven’t you been doing a superior blog and forestalling regulatory attempts to shut you down for almost a decade now. Are you and team the ONLY ones thusly smart enough re some dark arts of the net?

    Steeeupse, some things just sound so illogical 🙃…tech is a tool (limited only by cost and practical effects)…those who don’t want to use it to its fullest are simply doing so to suit their self interest.

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  • Excellent post ‘shallow Hal’.

    Caswell’s example of land transactions is also food for thought.

    As a second example, the handling of the lawyers fees and monies owing to clients have to be a part of the discussion. After commingling the two sets of monies, the lawyers often find it difficult to part with what monies is due to their client.

    I raise this to again point out that digital cannot solve these types of problems. Leave out the fact that digital can be manipulated just like any other media. No problem can be solved until Ali Baba and his gang of thieves are brought under control.

    We hanker for new stuff and new technologies, but in the wrong hands the new technology may only lead to more problems for clients.

    The basis for any change should be to improve the outcome for those who turn to the court as a source of relief.

    A crooked lawyer with a computer is just a smarter crook.

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  • @piece
    I like to put it simple.

    I am not opposing technology or questioning how smart Bajans are. I am stating that if the system is corrupt then changing technology will not help us in anyway.

    Don’t let your love and knowledge of things technological blind you to the fact that changes must first be made elsewhere.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Hal, 😁…seriously…did you just write : “Some time ago the UWI was considering opening a campus in the UK ….I suggested it was a very good idea but start with a soft launch – certificates, diplomas, undergraduate and post graduate degrees in Caribbean studies, etc. Areas that the English would not see as controversial. I also suggested a UK LEC course on the grounds that many black lawyers in the UK would like to be qualified to practice in the Caribbean but would not be prepared to spend any time studying at Mona or St Augustine. Such a course would have been commercially successful. But, not surprisingly, I was dropped off the consulting list.”

    I am taking YOU completely on your words above and am SMH in disbelief. SMH!

    Why would it be ” commercially successful” to provide a platform for British attorneys (whatever their hue) to come into the region and cherry pick the big money deals from regional lawyers? How would that make sense for US.

    You suggested the UWI strategists were stupid to seek to compete “with medical courses etc” against the Brits (which makes sense) but YET thought it more VIABLE and practical for the competition to flow easily in the other direction. SMH… you sir are truly amazing!

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  • Mia in a matter of days was able to do more than the DLP could do with the sewage problem in years. I doubt if the solution was because of the use of new technology.

    Could sewage problem was a cash cow for some? This was the last remnant of the fatted calf and had to be kept alive to be feasted on.

    Technology may not be the answer. A change of mindsets, infusion of ethical practices, the desire to do what is best for the island, and having men and women of good character may be needed to solve our problems.

    Don’t go so far downstream. The problem is at the origin of the river. Fix there first.

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  • Hacking it on a cellphone instead of my old desktop. Excuse typos and incomplete sentences. Technology is failing me.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Theo, sorry that line of reasoning is a non-starter.

    It’s impractical to broadly state : “I m stating that if the system is corrupt then changing technology will not help us in anyway.[…] Don’t let your love and knowledge of things technological blind you to the fact that changes must first be made elsewhere.”

    Billy the Kid, John Dillinger, Ronnie Biggs and Mike Madoff are all one of a kind: they robbed people with lots of money. What awesome preventive changes were made in banking and finance that stopped each in succession from achieving their objectives? Did the growth of tech stop to let processes in banking get up to speed?

    The Kid used horses and six shooters and was successful in bank robbing. Dillinger had the improved tech of the automobile, tommy ( machine) guns and a wider network of bank branches to get his success.

    Biggs of course took it another step up and pulled off the biggest train money heist then known. He also used the updated tech of his day to get wonderfully forged docs etc to run off to South America and then in our ‘dilapidated’ court system fought of a ‘rendition’ attempt to get him back to England.

    And Madofff used the awesome advances of tech of digital financial exchange to top them ALL.

    Of course, I have gone WAY over board to make a simple point. Technology explodes around us regardless …a bad actor who is intent on corruption, crime or stealth can’t be “CHANGED” first before tech is used where he/she is!

    Realistically, the tech itself WILL have safeguards to also identify the bad actor along with better and more effective protections.

    …we catch more Madoff these days…the Kids, Dilligengers and Biggs are very few because tech advances has basically stopped them cold!

    Tech was not waiting for them to become good guys.

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  • @DpD
    You call them ‘British attorneys’. Hal nigh view them as lawyers from the West Indies who have every right to access their country of origin.

    Hall still gets an A+

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  • @DpD
    I think you are making my point.

    Bernie Madoff was a crook . Bernie Madoff used low tech stock charts and graphs to bamboozle tech savvy folks.

    The circus masters of the court system will be doing the same. See technology as a tool and not a savior. GIGO.

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  • de pedantic,

    I am suggesting that young black people in the UK, of Caribbean origin, may like the idea of having a Caribbean legal qualification, but they are not queuing up to live in the Caribbean. I suggested to a young relative of mine that she should go to Barbados and do an internship in a law office and she balked at the idea. The majority of young black people do not want to live in the Caribbean, they want to visit their grand parents and spend two weeks ever so often. They are not even keen when you offer to pay their fares. In the real world we have to stop protecting Caribbean professionals (protectionism) and make them compete. Consumers will be the ones to benefit.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Theo, no I am definitely NOT making your point. The GIGO concept is not new and CANNOT be ascribed only it simply to tech.

    Bad actors will use whatever is available to get their unjust rewards…it is absurd to either blame tech or suppress it’s use in some ill conceived attempt to twart crookery.

    You are very inaccurate to state that “Bernie [not Mike] Madoff used low tech stock charts and graphs to bamboozle tech savvy folks”.

    Is that not INCONGROUS and defeats the entire premiss of this high bech debate: why should tech savvy folks get bamboozled by low tech charts!

    I have already made the obvious point that technology is very much a tool and MUST be used to advance life and as importantly better safeguard from the crooks.

    @Hal, I am bemused with your reasoning …what exactly in terms of major legal issues or career improving precedent making law is done in the region that would incentivise a Carib-Brit to head back to the region for legal education??

    And with respect are u not living in a nation that voted to enshrine protectionism of his borders and thus it’s professions etc??

    And you are telling a region of just over 6 mil people that we crave protectionism? Fah real!

    You had an open policy with cricketers and then we started to get powerful foolish and bite the hand feeding us…bruggandung protectionism in we backside.

    Let’s get real bro…cut the BS theory and let’s gets serious!

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  • HAL WROTE
    The powers that be wanted to launce with medical courses etc. Can you imagine the British allowing a Caribbean medical school to move in to London to compete with their own? It was lunacy. The British would have found a way to close down such courses.

    WIST THOU NOT THAT THE UWI MEDICAL SCHOOL BEGAN AS A COLLEGE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF LONDON? AND THAT THE ENGLISH HAVE OVER THE YEARS BEEN EXTERNAL EXAMINERS THEREAT.

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Theophilus

    You said and I quote

    “…As a second example, the handling of the lawyers fees and monies owing to clients have to be a part of the discussion. After commingling the two sets of monies, the lawyers often find it difficult to part with what monies is due to their client.

    I raise this to again point out that digital cannot solve these types of problems…”

    De ole man will suggest the following as an example of the use of the digital technology that works and would respectfully suggest and agree with you that not all technology, a la atom bomb, is useful

    Years ago when you travelled on a boat or a plane it was only after the captain of that vessel transferred your name on a copious paper manifest that you were allowed into a jurisdiction.

    Enter the age of electronic manifests and all that outdated physical silliness is now a thing of the past.

    Let me extrapolate to C.H.I.P.S the Clearing House Interbank Payments System that runs digital exchanges of U.S. $ 1 Trillion a day.

    And you are suggesting that in this day and age a bajan lawyer should be able to commingle client and lawyer accounts?

    Or that I should have go leave St Philip and arrive at the courts in Bridgetown to be told ghat my case has been rescheduled?

    This is why white people like Me Claire Who You love to come to Barbados and run their scams because we are a truly backward people

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your help please with an item thank you

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  • HAL WROTE
    Law firms should be allowed to advertise and compete;
    SHOULD DOCTORS BE ALLOWED TO ADVERTISE AND COMPETE TOO?

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  • Get rid of the lawyers, to the extent they only advise, and work for the title co. Reduce the VAT on home sales. Make the lending institutions escrow money monthly for taxes, and insurance to be paid by them when due, unless the buyer puts 35% down. then he pays taxes and insurance directly. https://www.zillow.com/mortgage-learning/title-company/ Money changes hands that day!

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your help please

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Racehorse

    You said and I quote “…Get rid of the lawyers, to the extent they only advise, and work for the title co. Reduce the VAT on home sales. ..”

    And as I constantly say

    20 years later it takes a white man to discover what a black man has known for 20 fucking years

    But we are hewers of wood and drawers of water AND SHALL FOREVER BE POOCH SUCKERS

    YET MANY WILL TELL ME THAT WE ARE INDEPENDENT…

    All we really know to do is to steal people’s ideas by screen grabs and JavaScript exploits.

    We lack the ability to be anything else but theives

    Fortunately we won’t be in charge when He Comes…

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  • @piece
    All my comments were geared towards the court system.

    I now restate… employing technology will not solve all the problems of the court system. Those who abuse the system have to be held accountable in some way and their dirty practices discouraged.

    You took the example of clients’ monies which I cited and suggested I was stating the opposite of what Was there. Talking about ship manifests, passengers lists, super collider, C.H. I. P.S l, moon rocks, Biggs, and all other examples cited are just a set up of straw men.

    @DpD
    Technological expertise does not mean that your knowledge encompasses all things. Some of the brightest geeks fall for the silliest things. It was not technology, but Bernie’s graphs, chart and investor’s greed was the main reason folks got scammed.

    I restate my argument… employing technology will not solve all the problems of the court system. Those who abuse the system have to be held accountable in some way and their dirty practices discouraged.

    Please, no more straw men …

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    “Those who abuse the system have to be held accountable in some way and their dirty practices discouraged.”

    That is 95% of the reason the court system stopped functioning, the abuse and dirty deeds by those officers of the court and their co-cinspirators in insurance companies who dont care and continued their evil actions over the decades unfazed and undeterred because they had atyorneys general who enabled and colluded with them, they had a chief justice who was the actual creator of the circumvention of the court process and total deliberate destruction of the lives of injured people, land owners etc…..for years Simmons sat on that bench weaving evil until Thompson removed him……..the remaining one like Haynes et al are the ones who must be stopped permanently even if it means jailing them or fining them very heavily for the continuation of destroying the court process for their own selfish gains. ..one way or the other it has to end…unless they like their dirty deeds and names continually exposed…up to them.

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  • ——-THIS IS ABOUT THE COURT SYSTEM———

    What is a simple concept appears to be one of the most frightening ideas ever advanced in Barbados.

    Modernizing the court system requires more than the input of new technology. Indeed we can import a thousand computers but if the same court practices continue to be employed then we are spinning our tops in the mud. Whispering ‘technology’ is equivalent to whispering ‘abracadabra. It will not solve the basic problem.

    Indeed our legal eagles will be less creative in their excuses and just blame the new technology. What was seen as a fix become the petard we are hoisted with. Solutions that do not solve the underlying problems are nothing more than gimmickry.

    ——–THE ABOVE WAS ABOUT THE COURT SYSTEM—————-

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    their CO-CONSPIRATORS in insurance companies who dont care, had good use of them all and continued their evil actions over the decades unfazed and undeterred because they had ATTORNEYS GENERAL who enabled and colluded with them, they had a chief justice who was the actual creator of the circumvention of the court process fir personal gain and total deliberate destruction of the lives of injured people, land owners etc…..for years Simmons sat on that bench weaving evil until Thompson forceably removed him.

    Theo….I have been at this particular subject for years and still feel repulsed and appalled at what these negro people have all done to each other and a supreme court funded by taxpayers,, aided by minority con artists and crooks….while sucking on a monthly salary from the same taxpayers they used the supreme court to destroy and disenfranchise..

    It just does not get any worse nor can these bottom feeding dirty negros go any lower than that….by those actions they reached their lowest point….from which they will never return… they are branded traitors and sellouts.

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  • Of course we all can agree that modernizing the Court system will take more than technology. As required for most systems to work, many components of said system must be aligned and relevant to the space it operates. Using the technology as a backbone to remove nuisance claims/cases from the system, integrate paperless environment to allow for flexible courts and not be anchored to deliver from brick and motor is a good way to start. We live in a brave new world. Our inability up to know to make things work should not be an excuse to ignore what advances in technology can benefit the system in the now and future.

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Theophilus

    Your point is noted and I agree with a reservation.

    If the “system” does not undergo concurrent improvements the problems will still exist TO THE DEGREE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY DID NOT IMPACT THE WORKFLOW.

    Let me explain as it relates to the specific example of commingling of client funds.

    So say As de ole man had suggested 20 years ago, the powers that be had pursued a system which purposed a non commingling of client funds but, like the previous author opined placed said funds in some type of escrow milieu for benefit of the consumer, the single greatest issue per teifing lawyers would have been removed.

    Mine never is the promotion of technology by itself.

    The ensuing technology ALWAYS OPTIMIZES the commensurate data AND workflows.

    And whereas you would hzve said “…. Those who abuse the system have to be held accountable in some way and their dirty practices discouraged…” my solutions first of all so optimize the situations that ALL PARTIES INTERACTING WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS are automatically held “accountable ” by their unique nodes and process signatures and their customary practices are forcibably dissuaded

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Theophilus

    I more than most am aware of the “stray men” mentality and I first try to deal with the Brotherhood of the Rose through “code” no pun intended.

    I more than most EXPECT THE DISHONEST MEN AND WOMEN WITHIN THE SYSTEM TO CONTINUE TO TEIF but what I will rely on is the system architecture to entrap and flag those teifs.

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Theophilus

    On anogher blog it is noted how you complimented our Honourable Blogmaster for the good work of keeping diverse opinions alive on the BU blog.

    You must be kidding me right when you say these words.

    Here is the very person who is “deep sixng ” EVERY SINGLE MUGABE ARTICLE ON THE BARBADOS UNDERGROUND SITE, EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

    But readers like you are NOT even noticing it.

    So you do not know that OUR HONOURABLE BLOGMASTER HAS BEEN GIVEN ORDERS TO DO SO

    LOOK AT THE COUNTS ON ADRIAN LOVERIDGES ARTICLES – 20 something!

    & THOSE ON GEORGE BRATHWAITE THE CUNTSULTANT another why 20 something?

    AND EVEN THOSE ON THE LUMINARY Jeff Cumberbatch- another 30?

    THEY DO NOT CUMULATIVELY ADD UP TO 75 BLOGS yet they are up for 2 weeks!

    BUT THE MUGABE ARTICLES, EACH WITH 300 COUNTS, THE HONOURSBLE BLOGMASTER HAS BEEN INSTRUCTED TO KILL THEM

    BECAUSE THEY ARE ATTRACTING THE WRONG ATTENTION FROM THE WRONG IPs

    Barbados Underground is capturing the wrong type of readership and the Stoopid Cartoon on that page has over ONE THOUSAND VIEWS!!!

    AND WE MUGABE’s faithful followers DO NOT WANT THAT DO WE??

    You don’t have to post this BU watcher heheheheh its your ting…

    Long live George Linnaeus Banks…

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  • pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with a recent submission that you are not going to be pleased with but so be it.

    We dun got your number like you have our IP address bless all uh wunna…

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Theo, yours is a circuitous argument validating earlier points with an assertion NO ONE ever disputed and also navigating around other earlier assertions (like pie in sky) with Houdini like shape shifting.

    The Blogmaster restated at 6:15AM what he said since yesterday and which drew me to the debate that “…many components of said [tech] system must be aligned and relevant to the space it operates […] Our inability up to now to make things work should NOT BE AN EXCUSE (my emphasis) to ignore what advances in technology can benefit the system in the now and future.”

    His last thrusrt was the theme of my over the top , colourful reference to Dilliger, Biggs at al yesterday…that which you called the strawmen argument 🤣…

    For whatever inexplicable reason you restated the OBVIOUS : “…employing technology will not solve all the problems of the court system. Those who abuse the system have to be held accountable in some way and their dirty practices discouraged”.

    Yes this is about the COURTS but the fundamental POINT remains pellucid still: bad actors will perpetuate their bad behaviour regardless of your impractical concerns to retard the use of technology.

    If you realistically (and not just to prevail here 🤣) believe that resolving a lack of ethics and moral standards MUST be a first step to fixing the problems in our COURT SYSTEM and thus we have ‘pie in sky’ delusions of technologically improving the court system then praise be to your almighty Faith or amazing lack of candor !

    Let me tief this idea to help you get a handle “…but what I will rely on is the [tech] system architecture to entrap and flag those teifs.”

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  • @DpD
    🙂
    We are both being circuitous
    Let me strengthen this idea to help you get a handle “…but what I will rely on is the [tech] system architecture to entrap and flag those teifs.”

    The flags have to be set by someone…. Dude you can have a system with a thousand flags, but if they are not turned on or set to flag the wrong thing.. top in mud….

    Let me tief this phrase to help you get a handle ……. “You may have the last word”

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  • Bernard Codrington

    Technology and Justice Delivery Improvement.

    Here we have two systems; both are works under construction and we expect one to improve the other.
    Are the risks of information loss and corruption of files any less in an electronic processing and filing system?
    Is the retrieval of information better or worse?

    Does the electronic system leave a better forensic trail?

    If things go wrong ,which is more likely to cause a wider systemic failure?

    Can an electronic system deliver judgement?
    Does it think?
    Does it feel?
    Or is it an aid to deliver structured answers in an unstructured world?

    My fear is that we are already slaves to robotics to the extent that we tend to give answers and jump to conclusions as if we are robots. And this is frightening to me .

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