Our West Indian Cricket Shame Only Deepens

DAVID A. COMISSIONG, President, Clement Payne Movement, Citizen of the Caribbean, and Lover of West Indies Cricket

How  shameful  it was to witness the gleeful rejoicing of the members of the West Indies cricket team in the wake of their fortuitous and totally undeserved victory over Scotland — a non- test status, associate member team of the International Cricket Council (ICC).

These men — supposed heirs to the  great West Indian cricketing tradition of such immortals as George Headley, Sir Frank Worrell, Sir Garfield Sobers, Clive Lloyd, and Sir Vivian Richards — seemingly had no qualms about celebrating the fact that it took  a manifestly erroneous umpiring decision, the intervention of a shower of rain, and the complicated calculations designed by Messers Duckworth and Lewis to “gift” them a 5 run victory over a Cricket team that is regarded as a minnow in international cricket!

But, as hurtful and shameful as this experience was, it should not have come as a surprise to any of us.

Let us recall that less than a year ago – on 20th June 2017 to be precise – Darren Sammy, our former West Indies cricket captain, prophetically warned us as follows:-

“I am very scared for the future of West Indies cricket …………I am scared that we might be relegated to the league of the Irelands and Scotlands, playing against these guys which is very, very sad — if something doesn’t change. And at the moment, the guy (Cricket West Indies president, Whycliffe “Dave” Cameron) has just been re-elected for another term. I can’t see it happening for us. It’s very sad for us.”

                                                                       (Published in the Nation Newspaper of Barbados on 21-06-17)

At the time, I came out publicly and stated that I totally agreed with Darren Sammy . West Indies cricket, I felt,  would go nowhere but DOWN under the immature, self-centered, and self-righteous leadership of current Cricket West Indies president Whycliffe “Dave” Cameron and the social class that he is a representative of.

I also took the opportunity to renew my call for the resignation of Mr Cameron – a call that I had first made when he presided over the backward decision to remove the Combined Campuses and Colleges (CCC) team from our regional one day cricket competition on the most ridiculous and frivolous of grounds, and I repeated the Call when his irresponsible and self-centred actions led to the abandonment of the West Indies cricket tour of India.

As far as I was concerned, the honourable and responsible thing for Mr. Cameron to do – in his capacity as President and leader of the WICB – was to publicly accept a considerable measure of responsibility for the Indian fiasco that had taken place; to publicly apologize to the Indian Cricket Board; and to resign from office.

Needless-to-say no such resignation was forthcoming then, and none ever will! And the reason it will not happen is not because of any special peculiarity of Mr. Cameron’s character or personality! Rather, it will not happen because the members of the Caribbean social class that Mr. Cameron belongs to simply do not behave in that manner!

The sad reality throughout our Caribbean is that a new bourgeois class has taken over the key leadership positions in Government, in the professions, and in important areas of national and regional life such as Cricket Administration. And it is such a self-absorbed class that its members find it extremely difficult to accept personal responsibility for anything, or to recognize that there are causes or institutions whose interests take precedence over their own personal individual interests.

These social elements have capitalized on the relative apathy and marginalization of the working class, and have constituted themselves into an entrenched elite or in-group, equipped with their own narrow group interests, and with a narrow, self-serving value system. Furthermore, many, if not most, members of this “class” have convinced themselves that they are entitled as of right to positions of privilege, wealth and comfort in our societies. This, in turn, is manifested in their unceasing jockeying for and pursuit of positions of status – privileged “jobs” – in national and regional political and Administrative structures, not least of which is the leadership and administrative structure of the WICB.

Many, if not most, of them are contemptuous of the working class base from which they have sprung. As a result, they possess no substantial roots in our region’s history of race and class struggle, and are therefore incapable of truly appreciating the value of the fruits of such struggles – whether such “fruits” are the sacred cultural institution of West Indies Cricket or — in the case of my island home of Barbados — the famous Barbadian system of free secondary and tertiary education!

The same social element that is incapable of perceiving that the interests of the people’s institution of West Indies Cricket dwarfs their own personal interests, is the same social element that – in national governments throughout our region – is incapable of recognizing and defending the precious social-democratic gains that generations of Caribbean sufferers struggled so hard to achieve.

We, the masses of Caribbean people—the so-called ordinary citizens of the Caribbean– therefore cannot simply sit back and expect these supposed leaders to act responsibility and selflessly, not even where our beloved game of West Indies Cricket is concerned. Left to Cameron and his ilk, they will complacently look on while the once mighty West Indies Cricket team is reduced to a genuine and certified “minnow” in contemporary international Cricket, as long as they –the so-called Administrators– can continue to enjoy an elevated social status and the financial rewards that go with that status.

Some form of determined mass activism has to emerge from the base of our societies if our Caribbean Community is to get back on track with its historic liberatory struggle!

If we truly want to preserve the WICB, West Indies Cricket, “free” education, public health care, welfare provisions, worker rights, national sovereignty, and the list goes on – the people at the base of our societies and such working class-based institutions as the trade unions and the grass-roots cricket organizations (like the “Barbados Cricket League“) will have to bestir themselves and unite around a concrete people’s agenda.

148 comments

  • David March 25, 2018 at 2:03 PM #
    Does the average Barbadian care about if West Indies win or lose?

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    Precisely, winning or losing was never the issue!!

    It was all about seeing your team play hard honest cricket in the firm knowledge and expectation that “the glorious uncertainty” would produce something glorious!!

    … however, winning is better than losing!!

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  • millertheanunnaki March 25, 2018 at 2:07 PM #
    @ John March 25, 2018 at 1:35 PM
    So what fostered the spread of the same game in South Africa? Apartheid?
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    Yo will find the British Army in South Africa from I think the 1600’s!!

    Like Barbados South Africa had three things going for it before the discovery of precious stones and gold!!

    Location, location and location.

    It was the way to India for the British …. and the Dutch East Indies for the Dutch.

    Needless to say they fought over it from the beginning!!

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  • How shameful it was to witness the gleeful rejoicing of the members of the West Indies cricket team in the wake of their fortuitous and totally undeserved victory over Scotland — a non- test status, associate member team of the International Cricket Council (ICC).

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    The shame is felt by people of the generation who came along and instinctively understood why WI played cricket.

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  • David March 24, 2018 at 9:12 AM #
    @Hants
    Agree with you Hants. Then money flowed into the game and we didn’t integrate a relevant operating model to sustain the success. Since the Lloyd and Richards era we are still playing catch up.

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    The funny thing is the Lloyd/Richards era caused the decline!!

    Wonder if any sharp tacks can figure out why!!

    I’ll explain later!!!!

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  • Looks like the Australians should be ashamed.

    Who knows how many times this thing has happened before.

    Ban Australia from international cricket for 5 years.

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  • NorthernObserver

    “That team is playing the game for the sake of the game.”

    John that happens on Saturday afternoons. At the upper echelons they are all professionals.

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  • Scotland is not offended by barbados display, we are kindred spirits, I see it every time I go to the beach….HOG MANY

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  • John that happens on Saturday afternoons. At the upper echelons they are all professionals.

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    http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22916100/why-australia-outraged-steven-smith-team

    The difference between West Indies Cricket and the other teams is that simple identifier, country!!

    There is no country called West Indies.

    Our cricket is entirely unique.

    We are constant losers at the moment but it isn’t because West Indies cricket is inferior.

    Steve Smith may have done world cricket a huge favour.

    He may have exposed what really goes into “Reverse Swing”!!

    Pakistan was the major exponent of the art but maybe there was always a bit more to the art … artfulness.

    Maybe the skill in reverse swing is the ability to avoid being caught tampering with the ball, a skill West Indies never mastered!!

    The English team mastered it in 2005 and beat Australia after years of dominance by the team from down under.

    But if you cast your mind back to when Waqar and Wasim burst on to the scene, the English were convinced there was cheating but could never prove it.

    They then learnt the “art” and suddenly became world beaters themselves.

    Maybe, just Maybe, Smith is exposing what goes into cricket these days … what it means to be professional!!

    It is like doping in athletics, that’s why human records keep getting shattered.

    … that’s the difference between amateur and professional!!

    It is involvement in sport by countries that make sport professional!!

    Countries divert some of their budget to sport to “enhance” the sport.

    Central contracts are given to top cricketers so they don’t have to worry about income, just perform “for their countries” … for a fee!!

    The GDP of the “West Indies” … Jamaica, Guyana, Trinidad Barbados … and the “small islands” …. is less than the GDP of the smallest cricketing nation … and that GDP is not under the control of one government ….. hence CARICOM is a joke.

    The uniqueness of West Indies cricket makes it extremely difficult to compete in cricket, or for that matter … any sport!!

    Athletics is about the individual … cricket is about a team …. and cricket at its highest level demands members work together for five days.

    The hundred metres dash is over in 10 seconds.

    Football is over in 90 minutes.

    Cricket is a different sport.

    For the brighter sparks on BU, it should be evident by now how the Lloyd Richards era destroyed West Indies Cricket long term!!

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  • Could you please explain what India’s GDP has to do with their cricket?

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  • Resources!!!!

    People can’t understand how such a small population as exists in the West Indies could produce such world beaters in cricket.

    The answer is any where can produce a world beating team because of the nature of the game.

    Their reign at the top however will be brief if opposing countries subsidize sport as part of a national goal.

    India is at the top not by accident, but by design.

    https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/odi

    Afghanistan at the bottom can leapfrog the West Indies once they play their cricket as it should be played … which means there is hope for the WI too … and any bottom ranked team!!

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  • What are the significant differences between people from different Caribbean islands tolerating each other or “working together for five days” and a team such as South Africa in which white cricketers are forced to tolerate and work with black cricketers “for five days,” especially if you take into consideration South Africa’s underlying mentality of apartheid?

    Although black and white South Africans may play for the same teams, there are vast differences in the culture and mentality of both races…….. yet they worked together to make South Africa’s cricket team #1 on the ICC Test Rankings and they are currently at #2 on the ICC ODI Rankings.

    Your comment re: “It is involvement in sport by countries that make sport professional,” may be true at the domestic level.

    England’s cricket, for example, is controlled by the ECB……and NOT the state. So your reference to the size of a country and GDP as it relates to sports, is more or less…..questionable.

    “The ECB is responsible for the financial direction and commercial exploitation of England’s cricket. It raises revenue from the proceeds of sales for tickets at One Day International and Test matches in England and Wales. The ECB is also responsible for the generation of income from the sale of sponsorship and broadcasting rights, primarily in relation to the English team.”

    Although you may consider India to be one country, there are a number of “ethnicities” with different cultures that come together to create “one” Indian cricket team.

    There may not be a country named “West Indies,” but there is a region called “West Indies,” where the underlying cultures are similar.

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  • You seem to be suggesting that India’s cricket has developed as a result of country’s resources and its high GDP. This demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the administrative structures of cricket in that country.

    Maharaja of Patiala Bhupinder Singh, who had an instrumental role in bringing international cricket to India in 1926, convened a meeting of representatives from various Indian provinces/states which had their own cricket teams, such as Sindh, Rajputana, Alwar, Patiala, Delhi, United Provinces, Central India and Baroda,…… and they agreed creating a board that could represent India at the ICC. As a result, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) was created in 1928 and is recognized by the ICC, as the official representative of India’s cricket.

    Unlike most sports bodies, BCCI does NOT fall under the CONTROL of the government or the Olympic Committee. BCCI does NOT RECEIVE FUNDS from the government of India nor has it applied for recognition by the government.

    “Technically, the Indian Cricket team represents only the BCCI, since the government of India has not formally recognized its official status. But empirically, the Indian team represents the whole of India, since the Indian government is ready to accept it without complaint.”

    “BCCI is not a recognized sports federation and the sports ministry only grants clearance to host international matches in India and to participate in international events abroad at no cost to the government, subject to clearances by the Ministry of Home Affairs and Ministry of External Affairs.” Source: Sportskeeda

    However, if the ICC bans the BCCI from participating in international cricket, the Indian government or Indian Olympic Association can formulate a governing body for cricket in India and seek recognition from the ICC.

    And the members of the Indian cricket team do NOT play for India…..they play for the BCCI.

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  • John March 26, 2018 at 9:28 AM #

    The talent pool is very important. For example, China is using its vast wealth to buy UK public school franchises. I have argued that this is not because of the quality of UK education over Chinese, it is not. China scores higher on STEM tests than the UK.
    What they are buying is the public school ethos: rugby union, cricket, etc. Once this generation of school children go through the system you will find a growing number of world-class Chinese rugby players etc. The same will happen with cricket.
    It is one reason why public/grammar schools produce such a high number of UK rugby union players and northern working class towns produce so many rugby league players.
    I know someone of Barbadian heritage who went in to a fee-paying school as a keen young cricketer, his number one game now is rugby. The school he went to is know for its rugby playing and he was slowly turned in to a rugby player. He still plays cricket, but that has given way to rugby.

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  • GDP is a measure of economic activity.

    Cricket sponsorship does not have to come from Government alone!!

    Where does the finance/seed money come from to start say the IPL?

    How do cricketer become millionaires?

    How many cricketing millionaires exist by country?

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  • The size of the talent pool is important but it is not the be all and end all of success.

    Access to education is important but not everything.

    There will always be room for individuals who may not be especially talented or gifted mentally or physically to excel at Cricket simply because the sport requires the ability to see and perceive at the same time and that ability trumps all others.

    Sobers walked to the wicket at Lords in 1966 with England in control, WI 95 for 5, and the commentators extolling the qualities of the English swing bowlers.

    Sobers took one look around and decided the fielders were too close so he set about “moving” them!!

    He talked Holford through the sessions and WI declared at 365 for 5.

    Sobers had the gifts even though he never went to public school and developed any ethos.

    In todays world his skills would be dissected and countered using resources that require much investment.

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  • All the video analysis and dissection in the world cannot help where an individual has the ability to see and perceive.

    That’s why there are armies of coaches attached to a team, many of the players are not gifted that way they just know the mechanics of the job and are very good at them.

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  • For example …. remember the Shell Shield … sponsored by … you guessed it … Shell.

    And C&W also sponsored cricket in the West Indies.

    Are there any such sponsors today?

    Economic activity!!

    GDP!!

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  • … or is it they get no bang for their bucks

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  • “Where does the finance/seed money come from to start say the IPL? How do cricketers become millionaires?
    How many cricketing millionaires exist by country?”

    GDP is the total dollar value of goods and services a country produces during a specific period of time….usually one year.

    However, the above questions are irrelevant and do not substantiate your original point re: “The GDP of the “West Indies” … Jamaica, Guyana, Trinidad Barbados … and the “small islands” …. is less than the GDP of the smallest cricketing nation … and that GDP is not under the control of one government ……..”………and your other comments, which suggested you were implying the governments of other cricketing nations are involved in financing cricket.

    You guys make one point and when challenged, you “dilly dally.”

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  • “For example …. remember the Shell Shield … sponsored by … you guessed it … Shell. And C&W also sponsored cricket in the West Indies.”
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    You are essentially trying to intellectualize a simple issue, making us believe you conducted a “superior psychological analysis” of West Indies cricket that was never undertaken by anyone.

    I gave the following information: “The ECB is RESPONSIBLE for the FINANCIAL direction and commercial exploitation of England’s cricket. It raises revenue from the proceeds of sales for tickets at One Day International and Test matches in England and Wales. The ECB is also RESPONSIBLE for the GENERATION of INCOME from the SALE of SPONSORSHIP and broadcasting rights, primarily in relation to the English team.

    Similarly, it is the responsibility of CWI to solicit sponsorship (financial and otherwise) for regional cricket and the WI team.

    When WI cricket was at its highest, I’m sure the then WICBC and (subsequently WICB) did not have any problems soliciting sponsorship, because businesses like associate with winners……..it’s a marketing strategy. Obviously, with WI cricket at its lowest, obviously, CWI will experience difficulty in soliciting adequate financial sponsorship.

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  • John March e26, 2018 at 1:27 PM #

    The talent pool is very important since it is from that pool that you get your players. .. But, as you .say, it is not the bee all and end all of selecting talent.
    Formal education has nothing to do with playing cricket at a high level; however, good cricketers .are hugely bright. Jut think of a batsman: bat, pad, thigh pads, helmet, bat n hand; a bowler bowling at 90 miles an hour, bouncing the ball over .a 22 yard pitch.
    The batsman must see the ball sthe moment it is delivered, get him/herself in position to make an attractive stroke and bat on for a long period of time.
    I am not a neurological scientist, but the eye contact, the eye-hand coordination, the level of concentration. All that calls for genius at .the very highest level. Don’t underestimate it.
    You are also talking about the business side of cricket, which is different to the playing. I remember when David Beckham joined Real Madrid, I went to a conference on the business of football and the presenter from Real Madrid told the audience that by just signing his contract they had already made millions – through merchandise.
    At about the same time I wrote a long essay about the business side of cr icket, which I am not prepared to regurgitate now, but that is a side of our cricket .that needs closer attention.

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  • GDP is a measure of the economy, its health and more importantly it size.

    C&W sponsored Cricket when it was effectively operating in the economies of the Caribbean as a monopoly.

    It is no longer rolling in money … it has competition now, Digicel which appears to have supplanted it.

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  • Yes, GDP is an indicator used to gauge the “health and size” of a country’s economy and represents the market value of the total goods and services that country produces over a specific time period…..usually one year.

    But you’re “jumping all over the place” and not making any sense……perhaps this is where I should leave the “discussion.”

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  • The bigger the GDP the more companies and individuals available for sponsorship.

    Instead of having one “Shell Shield” there are perhaps 100’s at all levels and ad age groups.

    The talent pool is thus expanded and there is a constant supply of players at the highest levels.

    China has an immense population … like India …. but no talent pool.

    The talent pool is not a function of population (it is important) but of a desire to play cricket.

    The more sponsors and money in cricket the greater the desire to play.

    … now if Chinese businesses sponsored Cricket in China we would have an immense talent pool.

    … and imagine if America ever adopted the game!!

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  • … and if desire is the principal motivator then money is not necessarily a driving force, satisfaction will do.

    That’s why WI cricket is unique.

    The Peter Shorts of the past received peanuts if they ever received a salary.

    I’ll bet Cameron and other administrators are handsomely paid …. but their output as measured by performance of WI cricket is zero!!

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  • The Peter Shorts of the past are the ones who built West Indies cricket and kept it unique.

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  • Your perception of sponsorship is rather myopic.

    Firstly, sponsorship is a MARKETING strategy used to ADVERTISE a business’ products and services. However, businessmen are known to sponsor their “hobbies,” which in many cases are sports.

    You mentioned India. A “cricket culture” has developed in India since the game was introduced there by the British in the early 1700s with the first cricket match being played in 1721. Cricket is described as the “unofficial” national game of India. According to the February 4, 2014 edition of “The Economist,”: “To outsiders, the magnitude of Indians’ love for cricket is as incomprehensible as its feverish intensity.”

    Unlike west Indians, Indians have a great desire to play cricket. Check the amount of fans that follow the cricket team around the world and the stands are always filled during the IPL.

    Therefore, while it is obvious some Indian businesses will sponsor cricket as a marketing strategy…….several wealthy Indian businessmen sponsor cricket because they LOVE the game. They are willing to PAY the best players substantial amounts of money to entertain them and their friends.

    It is a completely different situation in the Caribbean. Cricket is not as well loved in this region as it is in India.

    Businesses in this region, several of which are foreign owned, do not sponsor cricket teams because they LOVE for the sport……they capitalize on the opportunity sponsorship provides to advertise their goods and services in the several Caribbean islands where cricket is played. Unfortunately, when teams perform poorly, these sponsors usually “disappear,” because “partnership” is no longer financially viable.

    C&W and Digicel are two telecommunications companies competing for dominance of the regional telecommunications market. After C&W gave up sponsorship of WI cricket, Digicel as a NEW company perhaps saw this as an opportunity to sponsor CWI as a means to advertise their products and services in the region.

    If you ever attended cricket matches in Guyana or islands such as SGV, SLU, T&T, Dominica, Montserrat, Antigua, St. Kitts, Jamaica, you would have noticed Digicel booths; “T” shirts and all types “paraphernalia” bearing the Digicel logo.

    However, there are many “big businesses” in the Caribbean such as SOL, Simpson Motors, C.O Williams, Williams Industries, Sandals, Shillingford in Dominica, J.Q Charles and Hess in St. Lucia, Ansa McAl in T&T, Grace in Jamaica or the Eastern Group of Companies in SVG, that, when combined could provide adequate sponsorship for regional and WI cricket………….but that depends on if they want to. And the present situation with WI cricket is not enough to motivate the business sector to sponsor the game. There may also be businessmen that love the game but are unwilling to provide sponsorship.

    Interestingly, Barbadian, Kyffin Simpson bought SHELL and rebranded it as SOL. So far, he has not expressed a desire to redevelop a “SOL Shield Cricket” to replace “SHELL Shield Cricket.”

    Instead, SOL (and companies such as C.O Williams, Williams Industries and R.L Seale Co. Ltd.), prefer to sponsor sports (hobbies) such as car racing/rally, surfing, polo and horse racing. The owners of these businesses and their relatives either actively participate in these sports or are administrators.

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  • “I’ll bet Cameron and other administrators are handsomely paid…..”

    No they are NOT.

    On several occasions Conde Riley and other CWI board members have dismissed the myth that they are paid “handsomely.” Those positions are more or less……voluntary.

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  • “The Peter Shorts of the past are the ones who built West Indies cricket and kept it unique.”

    The above comment did not surprise me.

    I have read some of your comments on various issues in this forum in which you would discuss a point before subtly raising some underlying racial overtones (i.e. your constant references to the white Quakers helping slaves, when in actuality they owned slaves).

    You keep mentioning the white WICBC president Peter Short. Are you suggesting he was responsible for the halcyon days of the 1970s and 1980s when WI cricket was at its highest level……or do you attribute the success to the talented players of that era?

    If you attribute success to the players, then it would be unreasonable for you to lay blame at the feet of Dave Cameron and hold him responsible for WI cricket reaching its nadir…….because this current group of cricketers are simply “no good.”

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  • John March 26, 2018 at 11:47 PM #

    China has an immense population … like India …. but no talent pool.(Quote) ..The population is THE talent pool – able, disable, tall, short, , female, male, all of them are the pool from which the cricketing taalent will come.

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  • Shaking My Head In Amazement

    ..The population is THE talent pool – able, disable, tall, short, , female, male, all of them are the pool from which the cricketing taalent will come.

    Shaking My Head In Amazement at this man. He should use a pseudonym.

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    @ Shaking My Head In Amazement March 27, 2018 at 10:29 AM

    LOL!!!!

    SMHIA, you are rather “slow” in arriving at that ‘simple’ conclusion.

    You should have gone to St. Giles in August to be with a classmate in Shallow Hal. LOL!!!

    The idiot savant of journalism probably doesn’t know that game of cricket (unlike ping pong) is a cultural relic of British colonialism and nothing to do with population size.

    Maybe he was thinking about Hong Kong.

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  • Instead, SOL (and companies such as C.O Williams, Williams Industries and R.L Seale Co. Ltd.), prefer to sponsor sports (hobbies) such as car racing/rally, surfing, polo and horse racing. The owners of these businesses and their relatives either actively participate in these sports or are administrators.

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    Faulty logic!!!

    Go to the Garrison on Gold Cup day and see the crowds!!

    …. and if you really want to see crowds … go up at Bushy Park at a race meet!!!

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  • … then see if you can find a cricket match a saturday … count the peoples on your fingers!!

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  • John March 26, 2018 at 11:47 PM #

    The talent pool is not a function of population (it is important) but of a desire to play cricket.(Quote)

    The first part of your statement is correct, but the second part does not follow on. The second part is a function of managing behaviour. The ‘pool’ is the catchment population, it has nothing to do with who excels at the game.
    Twenty five years ago Afghanistan was not a cricket-playing country, they adopted cricket as a result of being exposed to it by the British, but more importantly, Pakistan. They were nudged.
    If you have a population of 1.3billion and, more importantly a youth population of over 800m, the it is fair to say a huge number of those may become attracted to the game, even if they had not considered it before.
    We have all kinds of cricket: blind cricket, women’s cricket, youth cricket, etc. I gave the example of the young lad of Barbadian heritage who went to his specialist school playing cricket, and ended up being a rugby union player.
    He was not in a rugby playing pool until his school sports master took him under his control .and trained him up. He was part of the talent pool (ie the pool of potential player).
    Think about it like homeownership: the pool of potential homeowners are not just those who are saving for a down payment; but the entire population.
    For example, those already looking for homes are already in the ‘pool’, but if lending is made more attractive (ie 100 per cent mortgages), then others not considering home ownership may become interested; and so would some people who are already homeowners, who may then think of building a portfolio of homes for rental. It is managing behaviour/attitudes.
    In business potential customers are the pool, that is why businesspeople market their goods and services. They do not sit back and wait until people come to them.
    So it is with any game in a new environment.

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  • Shaking My Head In Amazement

    My friend, you are being extremely ridiculous….…“faulty logic,” WHAT!!!!

    Initially, the “conversation” was about SPONSORSHIP……NOT crowd attendance. But since you mentioned the subject……… “Go to the Garrison on any normal Saturday race day and see the crowds,”……..

    ………..you can also “count the peoples on your fingers!!”

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  • “Faulty logic!!! Go to the Garrison on Gold Cup day and see the crowds!! …. and if you really want to see crowds … go up at Bushy Park at a race meet!!!”
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    The only time there is a crowd at horse racing is on Gold Cup Day. Racing on any other Saturday has as many people as a Division 1 cricket final or a premier league football match.

    Gold Cup is sponsored by the owners of Sandy Lane, who are ACTIVELY involved in horse racing and the OWNERS of race horses. This race attracts entrants from the region, USA and Canada. I also mentioned R.L Seale Co. Ltd. Its owner, David Seale, is also ACTIVELY INVOLVED in horse racing as well. He is currently the President of the Barbados Turf Club and the owner of race horses.

    As I previously mentioned, “According to the February 4, 2014 edition of The Economist,”: “To outsiders, the magnitude of Indians’ love for cricket is as incomprehensible as its feverish intensity.” Similar cannot be said about West Indians.

    You are correct re: “…….if you can find a cricket match a Saturday … count the peoples on your fingers.” Although Bajans, for example, love cricket, many fans do not attend games as was the case in the halcyon days when Barbados’ and West Indies’ cricket was “strong.” Interest in the sport has been dwindling over the years as is evidenced by the attendance at Tests and ODIs, which has also extended to the other Caribbean territories.

    When I was growing up, cricket was played in the “gap,” on the “school pasture,” vacant lots and on the beach. This is not the case today. Younger Barbadians and West Indies are now more interested in English, European and South American football, US basket-ball, baseball and the super bowl. Youngsters can tell you the names of players, their salaries, statistics, previous teams, etc. “Go to any sports bars around the island to see the crowds.”

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  • Initially, the “conversation” was about SPONSORSHIP……NOT crowd attendance.

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    Sponsorship and crowds go hand in hand!!

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  • The above comment did not surprise me.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Peter Short, King Dyal, Clyde Walcott John Goddard, Garry Sobers etc etc all built WI Cricket.

    George Challenor, Learie Constantine etc etc likewise.

    Sometimes I like to see who is insecure and who isn’t …. just for a laugh!!!!

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  • “Sometimes I like to see who is insecure and who isn’t …. just for a laugh!!!”

    The above comment is a “cop out.” You are a very dishonest individual.

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  • For the sake of curiosity, would you please explain how “Sponsorship and crowds go hand in hand?”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    “The Peter Shorts of the past are the ones who built West Indies cricket and kept it unique.”

    Then: “Peter Short, King Dyal, Clyde Walcott John Goddard, Garry Sobers etc etc all built WI Cricket.”

    Hmmmmmm……..you keep “moving the goal post” in an effort to prove yourself correct.

    You are a very dishonest, disingenuous individual…….no wonder WW&C refers to you as “Johnliesalot.”

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  • Sponsors want to reach the market they serve … made up of people … kind of like crowds .. they are made up of people too!!

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  • Artax March 27, 2018 at 8:11 PM #
    “Sometimes I like to see who is insecure and who isn’t …. just for a laugh!!!”
    The above comment is a “cop out.” You are a very dishonest individual.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Peter Short is long dead.

    Yet his name seems to cause you great insecurity.

    … clearly Quakers do too!!!

    Facts are facts …. only insecure people can’t deal with them.

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  • … and it is also a fact that all of the names I mentioned built WI cricket!!

    Undisputable!!

    I could also add my name too because like thousands of others I was once heavily emotionally invested in WI Cricket ….

    … all those thousands also built it too!!

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  • I have said her e before and say again: have we in Barbados ever produced a better batsman than Seymour Nurse. Why don’t we celebrate him the way we celebrate others? Doubt me, go back to hat historic game in the Park, Spartan versus Empire, with Wes Hall at his best. Nurse put so many lashes in him tears still come to my eyes when I think about it. That game represented the real spirit of cricket.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Look at these sentiments about Cricket.

    Do you realise that which team won or lost was irrelevant?

    Was the match drawn?

    Cricket was never about the mundane … win, lose or draw … it was about the spectacular.

    That is the change.

    I can remember Kallicharran vs Dennis Lillee in the World Cup ….. I am sure WI won but that for me is secondary.

    What colour was Kallicharran???????????????

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  • No big set of protective gear …. no helmet …. and no jumbo bat!!!

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  • More!!!

    … and who can forget “Caught Sobers bowled Gibbs”!!

    This was Sobers’ last series, 1973 … he was “old”!!!!

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  • “Sponsors want to reach the market they serve … made up of people … kind of like crowds .. they are made up of people too!!”

    Rubbish…….a whole heap of shiite!!!!!

    You have conveniently “twisted” the meaning of your original comment in an attempt to prove yourself correct…….dishonesty!!!!

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    “Facts are facts …. only insecure people can’t deal with them.”

    If making an observation that many of your comments have racist undertones, especially in the year 2018, makes me insecure…….then I plead “guilty.”

    However, if you are black……. and you believe white people are responsible for the “civilization” of blacks……….. then you are more insecure than you may care to admit.

    People such as you sicken me……..facts are facts.

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  • Which one of our current players can produce anything like this?

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  • NorthernO

    We hope yuh see that Australia is a real country.

    We no doubt are referring to the recent incident of ‘cheating’

    In which the ICC imposed minimal fines, suspensions

    Only for the government of Australia to get involved and bring a level of seriousness to the issue.

    As a result the captain, Smith, maybe not to play again

    And the vice-captain has been severely sanctioned

    So the political elites brought a level of sanity to the matter

    As compared to how the ICC is attempting to treat the regional political leaders who are seeking to meet with them, the ICC

    The ICC is telling regional governments that the President of the WICB (C) must be at such a meeting.

    The ICC, like the FIFA, obviously feel that their governance of world sport is outside the remit of the political elites. This has always been so,

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  • Pacha ya got ma bawlinn on de call-in.

    What lil babee Jeebus gobshite what?!!!!

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  • Know what I like about the Bush, Bushie, and indeed the whole internet? No eminents. Me, Harold Hoyte, Patrick Maxwell, Bobby Pitcher, Jeff Broomes, a judge, and you, and Welly. Also, goats.

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  • John March 28, 2018 at 6:51 AM #

    I do not like discussions about cricket (or any other sport, for that matter) in the wrong company because it brings out the emotion in people. You are right: the art of cricket is not about winning or losing, but the beauty of a fine batsman, a top class spinner, an artistic fast bowler and a classy wicket keeper (Ossie Gill, Andy White); it is how th game is played. That was the tradition.
    And you are right, I cannot remember the outcome of the Spartan v Empire game. I do remember Peter Lashley and Cammie Smith opening for Spartan with Chaarlie Griffiths coming from the hospital end.
    In those days cricket was more than a game, it was theatre. The introduction of one-day cricket, limited over and so-called T-20 cricket have combined to turn it in to a get rich quick activity.
    ,

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  • NorthernObserver

    @Pacha
    it was Cricket Australia (formerly the Australian Cricket Board) which levied the 2 one year bans on the capt and vice-capt, and 9 months on the offending player.
    Not the government of Australia.
    They should have banned them for 5 years. (ultimately career ending bans)

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  • NorthernO

    Yes. The PM of Australia made a public statement raising the level the seriousness of the offence.

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  • NorthernObserver

    Yes PM Turnbull called it a ‘national disgrace’. He also called for an end to “sledging”.

    The ICC, and other bodies of its ilk, are a colossal waste of time. This is no secret.

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  • The Prime Minister of Australia was bound to step in because the sport has “used” the country.

    However, when things were good, the country relished the connection so the country is complicit.

    Ideally, country should not be involved, the sport should be played for the pure enjoyment and upliftment of people.

    This is what WI cricket used to be all about.

    Win, lose or draw, it used to be about pure enjoyment.

    So, there will be a team called West Indies at the World Cup but barring an act of God or some divine revelation to an individual on the team, we won’t be seeing any WI Cricket being played by that team.

    Sobers went tot Rhodesia and created a furore because of insecure Black leaders who never understood what Cricket was really about and tried to create a new interpretation.

    Because it was Sobers it was a storm in a teacup and blew over!!

    However, careers of several remarkable talents were ruined years later because none of those men who went to South Africa was a Sobers.

    A real pity!!

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  • NorthernObserver

    @John
    “I could also add my name too because like thousands of others I was once heavily emotionally invested in WI Cricket ….”

    John, emotional involvement doesn’t produce top players?

    “Ideally, country should not be involved, the sport should be played for the pure enjoyment and upliftment of people.
    This is what WI cricket used to be all about.
    Win, lose or draw, it used to be about pure enjoyment.”

    Maybe that is how YOU saw it, but what about the PLAYERS?

    There was likely no other time in history, except the 74-84 decade, that WI could have fielded 3 internationally competitive teams. And the majority of those players were in the English County cricket league, a professional league.

    What happened of significance in the 81-82 period???? What was its effect on cricket, particularly in the Caribbean??

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Entering this debate seems almost like taking part in one of those timeless tests…soon come ideally that a team need to catch the ship bound for home so stumps will get pulled…soon 😁

    @Hal, re “…I cannot remember the outcome of the Spartan v Empire game. I do remember Peter Lashley and Cammie Smith opening for Spartan with Chaarlie Griffiths coming from the hospital end…In those days cricket was more than a game, it was theatre. The introduction of one-day cricket, limited over and so-called T-20 cricket have combined to turn it in to a get rich quick activity.”

    What a strange perspective! Cricket is still more than a game and wonderful theatre and earnestly played matches always will be such.

    To suggest that skilled players who now have a chance to earn an excellent wage from the various limited over competitions are simple money grabbing schemers is terribly discriminatory (NOT racially); professional sportspeople in all disciplines take EVERY opportunity in their field of endeavour to make as much money as is possible while their skills and health are intact, so why should cricketers be any different.

    And do you think that those Zimbabwe players were not emotionally torn asunder to not make the world cup !

    Cricket has totally moved on from those glory days when Spartan and Empire were filled with stars BECAUSE for one reason early on, they could not play anywhere else. Your nostalgia also omits some very salient facts re the combined BCL to the BCA competition et al… Anyhow, enough of that.

    @Northern, as I asked another blogger why “… should [they] have banned them for 5 years. (ultimately career ending bans)”?

    Sachin Tendulkur was caught ball tampering, so too other prominent players…they were sanctioned and moved on. What these men did was stupid and wrong and they will pay dearly but they can’t be punished way beyond the sentencing guidelines simply because they are stupid.

    If that was the case generally in life we wouldn’t have enough room for jails!

    And why is the “… ICC, and other bodies of its ilk, … a colossal waste of time.”?

    They are merely the governing body that sets the structure and guidelines for international play…whether good or ineffectual some group would have to play that role, seems to me.

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  • There was likely no other time in history, except the 74-84 decade, that WI could have fielded 3 internationally competitive teams.

    What happened of significance in the 81-82 period????

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Today we can safely say that there is no other time in history that WI CANNOT field a single competitive team …. AT ALL, ….NOT A ONE ….. NADA …. PERIOD!!

    What caused this change?

    Why is it now that not a single WI team has been produced since the 90’s which is internationally competitive?

    Lara popped up in this period … how come no team?

    There was no sweat producing not only competitive but world beating teams in the 1950’s, or 60’s.

    What caused the demise?

    Define WI cricket prior to 74-84 period and it will be clear to you!!

    Could it be that there is simply no emotional investment by me and others that there is no such world beating teams?

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  • Independence in 66 perhaps?

    Many bloggers accept Barbados has declined since 1966!!

    Could the same process be at work in Jamaica, Guyana etc?

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  • NorthernObserver

    @DIW
    I am unaware of ‘sentencing guidelines’. It would appear from your comments, that prior sentences have not served to stop the actions?

    Not a big fan of “international governing bodies”. They have been repeatedly inconsistent, and in several cases simply corrupt. And in several cases one member(s) are so strong, the stick they wield makes it a joke. Ever seen Hockey Canada follow anything from the IIHF, unless its a tournament run by the IIHF.

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  • NorthernObserver

    @John

    What happened in 81-82? English county cricket changed to allow ONE non-national per team. The vast majority of all those WI stars in the +/- 70’s on, played in this league. And they were several on certain teams.

    While the WI team had continued from the 50’s and 60’s, they relied more on development and skill honing via County Cricket. And to make a living playing cricket. They even trained Gordon Greenidge for us (he left Bim @ 11 I think). He was eligible to play for England.

    Any surprise a bunch of them subsequently accepted a year’s salary to play for a month in S.Africa?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Yes there are guidelines for ball tampering per ICC. In fact the sanction for this ‘cheating offence’ starts at rather innocuous (opposing team gets a 5-run credit) and ends apparently at a maximum one game suspension for offending player(s)… I say apparently because that was Smith’s sentence.

    Compare that to the proposed two game suspension which Rabada was to endure for ‘accidental’ contact of the same Smith during the bowler’s exuberant send off of the aussie captain during the preceeding test. That was overturned on appeal but the seeming discrepancy tells a clear story of the lack of gravity of ball tampering compared to the supposed ‘greivous bodily harm’ incidental touch!

    It’s worth noting that press reports highlighted that in the same match the South Africans were doing the other ‘ball tampering’ ploy of throwing the cherry into the ground on returns to the keeper. They wanted to achieve the same goal: speed up opportunity to get reverse swing.

    And that highlights the fact that ball tampering is done – so the players say in their tell all books and in the press- by all bowlers in some way…these guys simply got caught crossing that line.

    The bounced returns is sorta a nod and wink ploy if the umpires are not attentive…they were quite so however in this match and warned the SAs to stop that action on the ball and they did. Matter closed.

    The Aussies went way over the cliff with their tampering, however.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Sigh…continually flawed logic , with dishonesty and disingenuity as the blogger Artax noted.

    You said: “Why is it now that not a single WI team has been produced since the 90’s which is internationally competitive?”

    As far as I know these are viable and successful WI teams also,

    2004,Champions Trophy winners.
    2012,T20 winners
    2016, T20 Men Champs; U-19 Champs ; Women’s T20 Champs

    Additionally the WI were beaten finalists in the Champions Trophy in 2006 and in U19 and women’s ODI in the 2000s also, as I recall.

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  • As far as I know these are viable and successful WI teams also,
    2004,Champions Trophy winners.
    2012,T20 winners
    2016, T20 Men Champs; U-19 Champs ; Women’s T20 Champs
    Additionally the WI were beaten finalists in the Champions Trophy in 2006 and in U19 and women’s ODI in the 2000s also, as I recall.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    While in Test Cricket …. the way WI cricket was measured …..

    Point is so simple you missed it.

    So let’s get this right.

    WI got Test status in the 1920’s

    We get the individual brilliance during the 30’s.

    The war years of the 40’s not much cricket.

    From the beginning of the 50’s WI cricket shines … Ramadin and Valentine.

    Three W’s, Sobers.

    The 60’s Hall and Griffith … excellence in Tests cemented.

    Peaks in the 80’s then decline sets in.

    What is it that our ancestors did to build WI Cricket from the 20’s and before to the 80’s and what is it now that has created the decline?

    Remember, if you want to understand the decline look at the common factor … TEST CRICKET!!

    TEST …. that is the magic word!!!

    WI Cricket was built long before Peter Short came along!!

    Peter Short played for Lodge in the 1940’s.

    Who built it up and how?

    …. …. and now we have to address the question … who destroyed it?

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  • NorthernObserver March 29, 2018 at 1:37 AM #
    @John
    What happened in 81-82? English county cricket changed to allow ONE non-national per team. The vast majority of all those WI stars in the +/- 70’s on, played in this league. And they were several on certain teams.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Somehow West Indians before the onset of county cricket as an outlet for West Indian Players were able to produce Sobers, Hall, Griffith, Goddard, the three W’s etc.

    Richards and Roberts were created at the Alf Gover school in England in the 70’s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_Gover

    Who is presiding over its demise?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    The Blogmaster has noted repeatedly that the sport of cricket is our allegory of Bajan social decline so it’s reasonable to step away from those real life blogs to address your absolustely irrational and illogical remarks.

    WI cricket was founded on teTests because that was basically the ONLY form of international cricket played…it is utter nonsensical reasoning to say:”While in Test Cricket …. the way WI cricket was measured …..” as some meanigful point.

    For as long as I started following cricket the Brits and others pejoratively labelled us “calypso cricketers” because of our one-day style of play long before that form of the game became the coin of the realm, so to speak.

    The point being that since that ’75 final we basically stamped our authority as limited over maguffies…and then after that Australia debacle in 75-76 we slowly built prowess as a dominant Test nation.

    Consider further that when Kerry Packer started his rival cricket league he desperately wanted our WI one-day might as the star attraction.

    The simple point you so stumble past is that cricket is about executing the skills regardless of the type of game…we have always had the skills but have simply disbanded the collective spirit to harness everything into a winning formula!

    The Alf Grover School cut and formed lumps of mineral rock into superior diamonds …it did NOT create the diamonds.

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  • I hope the rewards justify the risks.

    “KARACHI, Pakistan –

    Presidential-style security, including bulletproofed buses, will be afforded West Indies on

    their historic three-match Twenty20 series against Pakistan starting here Sunday.

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