Local Biotechnologist Comments on American Advisory | Should Barbadians be Concerned About ELEVATED Levels of Bacteria in the Water? | Should Food Establishments on the South Coast be Closed by Government?

David Estwick – Minister of Water

Dr. Robert D. Lucas

Dun-Low lane

Bridgetown

Barbados, BB11157

robertd.lucas@gmail.com

Tel.246-426-6512

28th, January2018

The Editor

Barbados Underground

Bridgetown, Barbados

West Indies

Dear Sir/Madam,

A press conference was held on the 26th. January that sought to clear the air over the discrepancies in microbial findings and interpretation of the potable water quality on the south coast of Barbados. The Americans found that there were elevated counts of microorganisms (this was not refuted by the local authorities) and advised their citizens to boil the water before drinking it. The Barbados’ government position is that Salmonella, coliforms and E.coli (fecal indicator (FI) organisms) were not detected and therefore the potable water on the south coast complied with the World Health Organization’s (WHO) guidelines. The press conference was aired live on the Voice of Barbados (VOB), and it was admitted by the Barbados Water Authority (BWA) that it had increased the level of chlorine added to the potable water supply on the south coast of Barbados. It was disclosed by the Minister of Health, that he became particularly concerned when it was revealed by the Americans that the advisory affected the area where he lives among other areas (it appeared that he was only interested in saving his own hide).

The following is written in the public interest. Let me start by saying that the Americans are correct in the position that they have adopted and that the local authorities are skating on thin ice, as I will now show…

There are other fecal indicator organisms also recognized by WHO. These are fecal streptococci, Clostridium perfringens among others. What are of importance from a microbial aspect of the above disclosures are the elevated numbers of organisms detected and the increasing levels of chlorine being used. When added to water, chlorine forms chlorous acid, which is able to penetrate bacterial cell walls, and disrupts protein synthesis resulting in death. It also attacks organic matter and indeed this is one of the drawbacks when using chlorine based-disinfectants. In other words, the greater the organic matter load of water, the greater the amount of chlorine which has to be used to attain a specific disinfectant level Fecal matter is highly organic in nature and therefore it is correct for the local authorities to up the levels of chlorine used. The problem, however is that the exact amount of fecal matter seeping into the potable water cannot be ascertain plus the microorganisms continue to grow and multiply and therefore estimates have to be made. This is starkly revealed by the elevated counts obtained by the Americans. From the disclosure the following events have occurred. Note we are dealing with hard science not law, economics or political science.

1. There was a high level of organic matter present in the water (could be fecal in nature or derived from food processing operations) and most of the chlorine disinfectant was used up in reacting with it.

2. Microorganisms were present at what is known in microbiology at levels too numerous to count (TMC); and since microorganisms are organic in nature, the disinfectant was not present at concentrations adequate to destroy all of them.

3. A combination of one and two occurred.

There is a risk associated with the use of chlorine as a disinfectant at high concentrations. At 200 parts per million (ppm) there is no carcinogenic risk associated with its use. At 1000 ppm chlorine is carcinogenic. BWA must in the public interest state what levels of chlorine have been used in an effort to achieve safe potable water.

Increasing levels of disinfectants increase the selective pressure on microorganisms and can result in pathogenic genes being passed from pathogenic organisms to non-pathogenic ones creating unwanted problems.

In any event, elevated levels of microorganisms indicate that something is wrong and the absence of the presence of fecal indicators does not preclude their presence at some time prior to the testing. The local authorities should therefore advise citizens in the affected areas to boil their drinking water, given that at the same press conference, the BWA admitted that the situation was getting worse.

The local authorities have been keeping a lot of noise about the gastroenteritis outbreak not being associated with the sewerage problem. They have not demonstrated the following:

Koch’s Postulates

Four criteria that were established by Robert Koch to identify the causative agent of a particular disease, these include:

  1. the microorganism or other pathogen must be present in all cases of the disease
  1. the pathogen can be isolated from the diseased host and grown in pure culture
  1. the pathogen from the pure culture must cause the disease when inoculated into a healthy, susceptible laboratory animal
  1. the pathogen must be reisolated from the new host and shown to be the same as the originally inoculated pathogen

Have the authorities grown the suspected causative viral agent in cell culture or have they used a DNA probe to substantiate their claim? Proof must be presented.

From food safety aspects, establishment dealing in food in the area affected should not have a say in whether or not to open or close their shops. Under the hazard analysis critical control (HACCP) system, which is considered the Holy Grail designation for food establishment, there are certain prerequisites, which must be met. These are sanitary standard operating procedures (SSOP’s) and current good manufacturing practices (cGMP). Absence of filth and obnoxious smells fall under these prerequisite conditions. Since currently, in the affected area these conditions are not being met, all such establishment should be closed by law. I train members of the Environmental Health Department at the Barbados Community College (BCC). The last time one of my students closed down a food establishment I wrote about it and the print media would not publish the article. It was published online and I was fired and actually received a letter from a prominent attorney giving me two-weeks to retract the article or be sued for libel. I ignored the joker. Last year I was at BCC teaching the students again. Most likely I will be fired again for writing this, which is neither here nor there with me.

Robert D. Lucas, PH.D.

Food Biotechnologist.

161 comments

  • Good to see Dr. Lucas has addressed the concern raised by BU about elevated use of Chlorine to combat rising bacteria in our water.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    So what does the government have to say about this barbadostoday article….claiming an imminent sewage system collapse..

    “Sewage collapse
    Water official warns waste system on brink of meltdown

    Added by Barbados Today on January 27, 2017.
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    A senior water management official made the stunning admission today that the south coast and Bridgetown sewage systems are on the brink of a disastrous collapse.

    The official, who spoke to Barbados TODAY on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the subject, all but confirmed assertions by Opposition Leader Mia Mottley of faulty diffusers that had not been maintained in over seven years and that Government had ignored an offer from the Industrial Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) to finance rehabilitation of both systems, and to build one for the west coast.

    According to the source, the entire sewage outfall at the Bridgetown treatment plant is about to fall apart.

    Untreated effluent outflows in a canal on Trevor’s Way, Bridgetown.

    “Of great concern is that only one of the two digesters is working and this has been so for years. The one is working overtime and if it fails the entire plant fails. The entire sewage outfall to sea is about to collapse,” the official said, adding that it was so bad, only two of the 14 sewage outfall diffusers were visible while the others were buried under materials and sand.

    “The plant to produce chlorine to kill bacteria is not working, the effluent pumps and electrical systems are on their last legs [and] the unchlorinated effluent with high bacterial contamination that should be going out to sea via the outfall is now being put in the nearby Trevor’s Way located adjacent to the Bridgetown Port.”

    The Bridgetown plant located at Lakes Folly was old and in serious need of repair, it processes more than five times the sewage it was designed to handle and several major components of the plant are not functioning, the official told Barbados TODAY this morning.”

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    To date, the government has refused to tell their citizens to boil their water, they prefer talk about the 3 year sewage spill in Broward County, Florida the one in UK and in Canada..

    FYI…boiled and filtered water can be tested at home, as told in another forum, you can get a filter that comes with a small device that can test your water….for when the filter needs changing, or test tap water for filth…dont know if they are available on the island.

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  • Talking Loud Saying Nothing

    Vagabonds, miscreants and degenerates!

    This government needs to be prosecuted. They are menace to the health of the public.

    You see where decades of corruption has led us to.

    From food, to drugs, to chemicals, to fogging, to cars, to houses, et al. Everything on that wretched island is unsafe and probably not fit for purpose.

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  • Underworld Whistleblower

    Wtf

    Nothing surprises in this shithole.

    Politicians making mock sport and become Rich off the ignorance of the Masses.

    No hope for Barbados too much dishonesty and incompetence.

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  • Theophilius Gazerts (of Flint) 259

    It is not funny to see Barbadians referring to Flint and places in Florida.

    Someone needs to tell them that the water in Flint or in Florida will not harm anyone on the island. The water in Barbados is what the need to pay attention to.

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  • Lock Dem up.

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  • We were told by the BWA that some temporary fixes have alleviated the problem of sewage flowing in the streets and done away with the accompanying noxious smells permeating the the air in the affected south coast locations.

    Evidently the sewer pipes by the Massy store and closed down post office building at Rendezvous have not been informed of this development. Driving by that location earlier this afternoon, the sewage water was in the road again and with it the usual objectionable smell was in the air. It appears we have not got a fix (be it temporary or otherwise), but we do now have a fixture on the south coast – sewage flowing in the streets and disgusting odors filling the air we breath for the foreseeable future.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Why dont the health inspectors close down Massy Big B, until the problem is fixed…it has become a health hazard…

    ……I was told residents up by Rockley can smell the stench in the air.

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  • Well !! Well !! – (the exclamation, not WW&C etc)..
    It seems like we are all beginning to grasp the concept of brass bowlery….
    Bushie hereby apologises for not having been able to fully explain the concept ..(and the consequences of the lotta shiite) that we have been accepting as ‘normal’ in Barbados.

    Unfortunately (some would say inevitably) the worse is ahead of us.
    One good thing about brass though, is its ability to take some serious abuse… so all may not be lost.

    Looka…
    If wunna think that the sewerage crisis is bad, then a look back at some warnings from former BU commissioned officer, Colonel Buggy – about the tenuous nature of our power supply – now notably much worse under Emera’s exploitation, should send shivers up wunna donkeys.

    Based on last year’s Atlantic hurricane season, and the record ocean temperatures predicted for 2018, all non-brass-bowls would be VERY worried.

    To cap it all, this year’s Winter Olympics are being hailed as the peace Initiative of the decade, with the world’s media shouting ‘Peace and Safety’ as North and South Korea cozy up to each other….Unfortunately as the prophet Bob Marley sang in ‘Rat Race’ – ‘When you think it is peace and safety – sudden destruction’….. echoing 2 Thessalonians 5

    Worse of all, Bushie’s whacker has been recalled by the makers – a clear sign that heavier equipment is being considered…..

    looks like cat piss and pepper……

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  • Based on Dr. Lucas’ explanations is there a public role for BAMP and the those in related fields to play to assist the public with demystifying the many issues at play here?

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  • RE Based on Dr. Lucas’ explanations is there a public role for BAMP and the those in related fields to play to assist the public with demystifying the many issues at play here?

    That is the job of the Public Health Department, really- NOT BAMP per se. It seems that standards have dropped, despite his sound teaching at BCC. iT SEEMS THAT HIS STUDENTS LEARNED HIS LESSONS WELL AND WERE BOLD ENOUGH IN THE PAST TO EXERCISE THEIR AUTHORITY IN CLOSING DOWN AN OFFENDING ESTABLISHMENT. IT SEEMS HIS STUDENT CLOSED DOWN AN ESTABLISHMENT OF SOME ONE WHO IS ” CONNECTED”………….AND HELL BROKE LOOSE.

    I ONCE HAD A MINISTER CERCA 1994 ASK ME TO TALK TO THE THEN MINISTER OF HEALTH AND ASK HER TO EASE UP ON A FRIEND WITH A BUSYNESS IN DEFAULT. I TOLD HIM IT WAS NOT FOR ME OR THE MINISTER OF HEALTH TO TRY TO INTERVENE AS THE HEALTH INSPECTOR HAD APPARENTLY DONE HIS JOB CORRECTLY.

    I AM HAPPY THAT THIS DR LUCAS IS TEACHING SOUND DOCTRINE AT BCC, BUT ASTONISHED TO HEAR THAT HE WAS FIRED FOR DOING SO.

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  • The question was asked because there appears to be a growing distrust by members of the public of pronouncements coming from the Chief Medical Officer.

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  • Seems like Dr. Lucas is one of those good doers who are far and few between on the rock, seems a shame that this Govt won’t call on his expertise but based on his last sentence he isn’t likely to suffer fools gladly.

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  • It was disclosed by the Minister of Health, that he became particularly concerned when it was revealed by the Americans that the advisory affected the area where he lives among other areas (it appeared that he was only interested in saving his own hide).
    ++++++++++
    And wunnah criticise de Minister, de man has excellent instincts when it comes to self- preservation.

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  • @Robert D. Lucas “The last time one of my students closed down a food establishment I wrote about it and the print media would not publish the article. It was published online and I was fired and actually received a letter from a prominent attorney giving me two-weeks to retract the article or be sued for libel. I ignored the joker.”

    Thanks Dr. Lucas for having the good sense to ignore the prominent attorney joker who knows naught about public health.

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  • WHAT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME IS THAT DR LUCAS KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

    I FIND HIM TO BE FUNNY AND MOCKING WHEN HE SPEAKS OF Koch’s Postulates.

    SINCE THIS IS VERY VERY BASIC MICRO-B, HE IS BASICALLY TELLING THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPT AMD THE AUTHORITIES ” YOU CAN NOT MAKE THE DECLARATIONS YOU ARE MAKING…MAN. AFTER ALL, YOU HAVE NOT EVEN DONE THE VERY BASICS!”

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  • What is Clostridium perfringens
    Clostridium perfringens (C. perfringens) is a spore-forming gram-positive bacterium that is found in many environmental sources as well as in the intestines of humans and animals. C. perfringens is commonly found on raw meat and poultry. It prefers to grow in conditions with very little or no oxygen, and under ideal conditions can multiply very rapidly. Some strains of C. perfringens produce a toxin in the intestine that causes illness.
    https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/diseases/clostridium-perfringens.html

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  • @Robert D. Lucas “Increasing levels of disinfectants increase the selective pressure on microorganisms and can result in pathogenic genes being passed from pathogenic organisms to non-pathogenic ones creating unwanted problems.”

    This is the scariest part.

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  • Koch’s Postulates are the very basics of Micro-B
    iTS LIKE ABC TO READING , OR
    I 23 TO ARITHMETIC, OR
    DOH RAY ME TO MUSIC

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  • Having just returned from a brief official visit to Haiti I can tell you that the south coast of Barbados now has the similar malodour as when one deplanes in Port-au-Prince.
    If tourism is important to Barbados, then the actual sewage problem and the increasing International PR problem needs to be addressed quickly.

    The lack of information by the Government agencies involved is worrying and makes one wonder if any priority is placed on correcting the problem.

    If pumps are broken, have new ones been ordered and on the way?
    If the system is overused, what is the plan?
    Why is 3 million gallons of water being pumped into the ocean each day and not being treated and reused in the agriculture sector?
    What is the plan to have all homes and businesses on a national sewage system?

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Ronald Jones is telling yall to “listen to your own”…..he is forgetting that “your own” meaning government ministers and authorities tell lies to the people on the island…all the damn time….routinely and as a matter of course..

    The US never proclaimed to be saints, but even demons tell the truth now and again.

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  • For some reason every time I look at the picture chosen for this blog Barnum and Bailey come to mind.

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  • Dr. Lucas will want to know his letter is bouncing around social media.

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  • Prime Minister Stuart said last night that there is no quick fix for the problem plaguing the South Coast and the government has been working with IADB since December. Question Prime Minister, is this December last year or December two years ago when Mia Mottley alerted you about the problem.

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  • Rain been falling a plenty!!!

    It is standard practice that Bowmanston pumping station is shut down routinely because mud appears in the water.

    If mud, probably from the surface can get to the well some 257 feet below ground more or less instantaneously, then it follows that anything, either particulate or in solution in the run off also gets to the well.

    The authorities know this.

    You can find the problem described in Senn from as long ago as 1946!!!

    No amount of zoning can prevent the free flow of water and whatever it carries because the limestone is cracked and fissured and no one can say what is going on underground.

    The waterfall at Harrison’s cave is a perfect example of how water flows through the limestone to the wells.

    What you see here appears ultimately at Allplewhaites, Belle and Codrington on its way to the sea.

    It is thus not at all surprising that there will be elevated levels of bacteria in most if not all of the islands public water supply wells in the rainy season.

    There is a limit to how much chlorine can be added to kill what bacteria does make it to the supply wells before the water is piped to the distribution system..

    That’s one of the reasons my father insisted that all of our drinking water be boiled .. and filtered .. when I was a child.

    For January, we had 3.44 inches this year, so far compared with 1.11 a year ago.

    December 2017 was also elevated over 2016.

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  • The sewage problem is a symptom of the crisis in Barbadian politics and policy-making. Our public life is a failure. No one expects politicians to repair the sewage system, but we elected them to make decisions and a Cabinet to manage the nation. They have failed. We employ technocrats to carry out technical analyses and repairs to our infrastructure; again they have failed. As far as I am aware, this issue has not been debated in parliament, no proper explanation has been give to the nation; yet everyday we risk dysentery, cholera, typhoid and other water borne diseases.
    At some point we have to wake up and smell the coffee: our leaders have normalised mediocrity; they have failed the nation; we are good at talking rubbish, nothing else. We celebrate people talking for hours without notes, even if they talk nonsense and are repetitive. Our national standards are low and we expect as a nation very little.

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  • Should be closed????? They are are opening a new one it is going to be called South Beach Gastro Pub … order the special and you are guaranteed to lose 20 pounds.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    FYI ALSO:

    this information was around BEFORE the sewage leak.

    get_vaccinated eat_drink

    Hepatitis A
    CDC recommends this vaccine because you can get hepatitis A through contaminated food or water in Barbados, regardless of where you are eating or staying.

    get_vaccinated eat_drink

    Typhoid
    You can get typhoid through contaminated food or water in Barbados. CDC recommends this vaccine for most travelers, especially if you are staying with friends or relatives, visiting smaller cities or rural areas, or if you are an adventurous eater.”

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  • WW&CnP;

    Internet Source for your cut and paste at 8:10 am, Please!!!
    Do we have typhoid in Barbados?

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  • One sure way to restore some confidence back to a distrustful and suspicious public is for the authorities to public the damn results. If the bacteria presence is elevated tell us the timeline the intervals it began to trend upwards. Did it coincide with leaking sewage for example?

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  • How long does it take for the US Ambasador to request and receive by email, the actual test results and pass them to the Barbados Authorities? One hour? Two? Something here stinks, and it ain’t the shit in the streets.

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  • mitchlans January 29, 2018 at 9:18 AM #

    Is the US ambassador an employee of the Barbados authorities?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    David Mr Blogmaster, re 8:50 post: how can such action restore confidence….confidence in what, about what by whom?

    The experts Dr Lucas and Dr Sealy as detailed in their presentations have noted lapses with the science related to this matter; lapses related to systematic management ; and lapses of judgement.

    All types of lapses that have been ongoing for over THREE years…. a point to which you again alluded with your Mia remark above.

    Blogger Hal said it most recently but all others have also noted: this debacle is a comprehensive advertisement of the total breakdown of our governance and civil service management.

    Here you (well blogger are-we, actuallly) above are fending off references to typhoid. Bdos, the same nation that builds its economy on the wealthy touriists who came in december spending US$50,000 a week and more at villas is now being directly compared to the unplesant, stinky odour of Port-A-Prince. REALLY..

    YET we would even countenance that this mafia govt who blindly brought us to the edge of this abyss could restore confidence with attempts at transparency….NOW.

    The horse out of the barn doesn’t work…rather the shittee is spinning off the fan and is deeply ingrained in the minds of tourists and spilling off those embassy warnings…ingrained in our minds re real problems of gastro and now loose talk of typhoid fever too.

    Thus confidence will only be restored when professionals are allowed to do their jobs and big problems are not allowed to fester into this catastrophy…

    … Confidence can only be restored when we stop playing political gamesmanship with this crap and call out the gross negligence and incompetence for what it is.

    This is absolutely a black eye to our nation. No elected official associated (like an entire cabinet) with it should EVER sit on behalf of anyone, anywhere ever again.

    That would be one first step of my confidence in Bajan sensibility back on track.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Are We There….sorry, you may want to check the CDC website yaself see if you find that info

    …., but I accessed that info from an email the embassy sends to US citizens…who travel abroad.

    Ya can ask them yaself.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ lawson January 29, 2018 at 8:08 AM #
    “Should be closed????? They are are opening a new one it is going to be called South Beach Gastro Pub … order the special and you are guaranteed to lose 20 pounds.”

    LOL!!

    Law(less)son, you are ‘soooo deliciously’ funny it makes me want to puke from ‘excess’ laughter.

    What a smart way to deal with the obesity problem in Barbados! Let them ’fatties’ eat shit cakes instead of ‘Purity’ bread.

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  • @ Theophilius Gazerts (of Flint) 259 January 28, 2018 at 4:45 PM #

    It is not funny to see Barbadians referring to Flint and places in Florida.

    Someone needs to tell them that the water in Flint or in Florida will not harm anyone on the island. The water in Barbados is what the need to pay attention to.

    …………………………………………………………………….

    You are so right!

    I sent the alert to a DLP friend of mine out of a health concern. She sent me back the article circulating on Fort Lauderdale.

    On Sunday my priest who is a dem but pretended that he was not being political, took a glass of water up into the pulpit which was unusual……..

    I knew immediately that he was getting ready to pull a stunt……he said a prayer, he took a sip of water….. then said he is drinking water from a tap…….Barbados tap water……..

    He then went on a rant………..rather than preaching the word of God for which people go to church to hear and to get away from the politics………..he said that after we tear down Barbados we still have to live here and that we should not allow foreigners to come in here and dictate to us. Of course he dragged in Flint, Michigan and Fort Lauderdale, Florida……..he said we Bajans go there and we have families there. What the hell that has to do with the water we have to drink here.

    And of course………he is so predictable………..he went where I know Dems are thinking but did not want to say…….he linked the advisory to the vote Barbados took at the UN some months ago. Unbelievable.

    After the service I thought about confronting him but he is such a thin skinned individual, for peace sake I ignored the moron! He is lucky that I was properly raised otherwise I would have walked out during his rant.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Hal Austin January 29, 2018 at 8:01 AM

    We are ‘on all-fours’ with this one.

    Bajans have exchanged meritocracy for mediocrity.

    Mediocrity being a version of national development being ‘taught’ at the local university whose graduates have now replaced the 7th standard and ‘O-level’ educated public ‘servants who used to discharge their duties in the most ‘meritocratic’ style with Commonsense their main manual (book) of reference.

    Case in point: Just look at how the South coast sewerage problem has been ‘managed’ over the last 3 years by a bunch of ‘overqualified-book-learnt’ jokers like a troupe of monkeys armed with an arsenal of loaded AK 47’s

    Even the road maintenance crew with the donkey carts from the 1950’s would have done a much ‘cleaner’ job that this’ modern’ collar and tie lot with all the sophisticated equipment at their disposal.

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  • Where is Dr David Estwick, the minister who is being paid to manage this portfolio which falls under his ministry?

    Yes, I understand why Maxine McClean was there as the foreign minister as the advisory came from the US embassy…………but the lady is out of her depths……….does anyone remember the Myrie rant that cost the taxpayers millions?

    If David Estwick is angry and unhappy with the ministry he was given and does not want to account to the people who pays his salary, he needs to resign even at this late hour.

    He is seemingly bringing NOTHING to the table. Lazy indifferent moron!

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  • Hasn’t Estwick overpromised and under delivered more times than we care to remember? Estwick is a pit bull with rubber teeth. He has proved this repeatedly.

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  • ” He told the DAILY NATION he was rushed to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital by ambulance last week after he contracted gastroenteritis. ”

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/124504/misery-st-matthias

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  • Rass Hole Vex aka RHV

    More civil servants need to have big balls for too many are compromised

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  • Estwick is a pit bull with rubber teeth.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Call a spade a spade David
    The man is a shiite hound.

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  • Barbadians everywhere need to demand the Rh results of recent testing of the water.

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  • Regarding Dr Lucas and his opinion that food businesses along the area under discussion should be closed by decree, let me ask; if any blogger on BU operated a cook shop anywhere on the island and a suckwell on the property was overflowing for over two years with concurrent spewing of effluent on to the street and all around the business, would the Ministry of Health allow that business to remain open? Even if the operator washed the area with Clorox every day? Secondly, are we not told that from time time the BWA redirects water from one reservoir to another? Could this not lead to cross contamination? Jones is reported to have said that Barbadians don’t listen to their own. Is Dr Lucas one of our own?

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Lol…I dont know what the hallabaloo is about, I cannot drink tap water from any part of the world, so for decades I have boiled and filtered what I drink, it is my ritual and routine, every day.

    It is not rocket science, this my water is better than your water or my raw sewage is better than your raw sewage will cause deaths.

    And people need to know the name of the high levels of bacteria found so we can identify if it is high levels of fecal matter.

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  • re And people need to know the name of the high levels of bacteria found so we can identify if it is high levels of fecal matter.
    WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU SAYING HERE WELL WELL? THIS STATEMENT MAKES NO SENSE

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  • RE mitchlans January 29, 2018 at 9:18 AM #
    How long does it take for the US Ambasador to request and receive by email, the actual test results and pass them to the Barbados Authorities? One hour? Two? Something here stinks, and it ain’t the shit in the streets.

    CLEARLY THIS MITCHLAN DOES NOT KNOW THAT MICROB RESULTS ARE NOT OBTAINED IN A FEW HOURS.

    RE David January 29, 2018 at 11:42 AM #
    Barbadians everywhere need to demand the Rh results of recent testing of the water.

    THAT SHOULD BE EXCITING!
    I GUESS THE BU HOUSEHOLD WILL INTERPRET THE RESULTS FOR THE MASSES. OR PERHAPS THE PEDANTIC DRIBBLER WILL.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    GP…dont know if you were following, but the embassy said they found a high level of bacteria in water at their staff residences, I believe most known bacteria have names, both the embassy AND now the government has the name of the bacteria found, none of them shared the name with the public…or US citizens traveling to the island

    “There was a high level of organic matter present in the water (could be fecal in nature or derived from food processing operations) and most of the chlorine disinfectant was used up in reacting with it.”

    Just asking….

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  • The BU is sure Dr. Lucas would have no difficulty as a public service to provide a layman’s analysis.

    http://www.loopnewsbarbados.com/content/us-tests-barbados-water-and-gets-3-negative-results

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    “In regard to the alert, which stated that elevated levels of bacteria were found in the tap water at US Embassy residences during recent tests, Acting Chief Medical Officer Anton Best said that the bacteria were “nonspecific”.”

    So if what Best is saying is accurate, more testing is indeed needed so we….the public…can get specifics…eg, specific name of bacteria present..

    So why was this info not carried by nation news, barbadostoday etc, how is it only Loopnews was this thorough.

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  • David January 29, 2018 at 8:50 AM #
    One sure way to restore some confidence back to a distrustful and suspicious public is for the authorities to publicize the damn results. If the bacteria present is elevated tell us the timeline the intervals it began to trend upwards. Did it coincide with leaking sewage for example?
    ++++++++++++++++++++

    There is a slim to non existent chance of the sewage on the South Coast is related to high bacterial levels in the water mains.

    If the Embassy Residences are for example in St. Lucy, there is absolutely no way that there is a relationship.

    If they are in any other parish, except Christ Church there is absolutely no way there is a relationship!!

    Murphy would have had to have been working overtime for such an occurrence to take place!!

    I will dig out the results from the 1978 water resources study and what they were back then from the various water supply wells.

    My guess is that every year one of the effects of the rainy seasons is elevated levels of bacteria in the water …. and of course, copious weed growth.

    Boiling is a sensible precaution.

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  • From the Stanley Water Resources Study of 1978, available in the Public Library, Volume 5 on Quality.

    “Bacteriological water quality: Although total coliform counts were high at some well sources, chlorination is sufficient to disinfect the raw water from all water supply sources. Coliform counts were high in Scotland District streams, but not so high as to rule out the streams as potential water supply sources given adequate treatment. Analysis of storm water quality showed the need for complete treatment if it is to be used for potable water supply, although chlorination and settling would be sufficient for agricultural use.”

    So back in 1978, some well sources had high total coliform counts but chlorination was to disinfect.

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  • Talking Loud Saying Nothing

    @de pedantic Dribbler,

    Perhaps we have gone beyond the stage of repairing and fixing our country. Was it not Miller who compared our leaders to monkeys.

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  • @John

    What you have posted makes sense if we restrict the inquiry to the South Coast. We may be dealing with a multifaceted issue. The common factor is the need for robust testing and transparency.

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  • Embassy residences are in CHRIST CHURCH

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  • John there is the issue of heavily chlorinated water which many agree is in play given the elevated levels of bacteria.

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  • Back in 1978, every single water supply well in Barbados had fecal coliforms present.

    The worst example was Bowmanston where one sample produced 178 fecal coliform per 100 ml.

    Belle on the other hand had a maximum level of 12 fecal coliforms per 100 ml.

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  • WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
    BACTERIOLOGICAL DRINKING WATER STANDARDS
    A.
    Treated Water
    no random sample of 100 ml will reveal the
    presence of coliforms
    B.
    Untreated Water
    for samples taken from the distribution networks:
    (1) throughout any year, 95% of samples should not contain
    any coliform in 100 ml;
    (2) no samples should contain Escherichia coli (E coli);
    (3) no sample should contain more than 10 coliforms per 100 ml;
    (4) coliforms should not be detectable in 100 ml of any two
    consectutive samples.
    Source: International Standards for Drinking Water (3rd Edition);
    World Health Organization, 1971.

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  • The numbers should be available for public consumption

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ John January 29, 2018 at 7:55 AM
    “Rain been falling a plenty!!!
    It is standard practice that Bowmanston pumping station is shut down routinely because mud appears in the water.
    If mud, probably from the surface can get to the well some 257 feet below ground more or less instantaneously, then it follows that anything, either particulate or in solution in the run off also gets to the well.”

    Dear John, we on Bu genuinely respect your expertise when it comes to things related to Bajan hydrology.

    For the very reason we would like your ‘invaluable’ opinion on the thesis that many of the problems facing the quality of water in Barbados today are as result of an ‘indirect’ impact of the widespread use of suck wells to store and ‘disseminate’ liquid waste from Bajan households and some business properties.

    Would you agree that too much waste in liquid form finds itself, inadvertently, into the underground water system where too many Bajans rely on as their only source of potable water?

    Could that be a possible source of the high level of hormones, especially estrogen, found in the water?

    Can we expect a spike in the rates of cancer and endocrinal-related mutations with both fish and boys (and girls) subject to sexual (and gender) distortions and future reproductive malfunctions?

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  • @Hal Austin January 29, 2018 at 8:01 AM “yet everyday we risk dysentery, cholera, typhoid…”

    Yes we had your friend John disputing what my father told me, that he had typhoid in Barbados sometime after May 15, 1941. John who is fromm an upper income family believes that the last typhoid cases in Barbados were in the 1850’s. No doubt some of our political class also believe the same.

    They are ALL so WRONG.

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  • @Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service January 29, 2018 at 5:23 AM “Ronald Jones is telling yall to “listen to your own”

    Tell Ronnie that ee have not forgotten that David Thompson said “don’t panic”

    Even while CLICO was imploding.

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  • @Hal Austin January 29, 2018 at 8:01 AM “…we have to wake up and smell the coffee…”

    if the smell of sh!t does not disturb the political class, I don’t really see how smelling coffee will help.

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  • @mitchlans January 29, 2018 at 9:18 AM “How long does it take for the US Ambasador to request and receive by email, the actual test results and pass them to the Barbados Authorities?”

    I am sure that the U.S. Ambassador had the actual results, and expert interpretation [CDC and U.S. Aid have expert health advisers in that building at Wildey do they not?] in her very hand, or on her computer screen hand before the Embassy issued its advisory. She may well have shared those test results with our Ministry of Foreign Affairs/Ministry of Health/Barbados Water Authority BEFORE the Embassy spoke publicly.

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  • dpD;

    I asked WW&C the following:

    “Internet Source for your cut and paste at 8:10 am, Please!!! Do we have typhoid in Barbados?”

    You interpreted that as fending off references to typhoid. viz: “Here you (well blogger are-we, actually) above are fending off references to typhoid”

    I am not, as someone with your above normal command of pedanticism would realise.

    WW&C avoided the question in her usual fashion leaving me and the BU family no wiser about the mooted occurrence of typhoid in Barbados. You might be more influential with her. Ask her to post the US email she referenced to BU so that we can all determine if there is another, even more horrendous threat extant here.

    Google Typhoid, the causal organism and its epidemiology (how it is spread) and the almost cataclysmic importance of the deadly disease it causes and see why it’s mooted presence here should not be treated lightly and why the source of the rumour (The US embassy or WW&C herself?) should be required to provide the background details so that it could be put to rest asap.

    I would still like to see the original references, failing that, It might have to be concluded that the reference was stupidly mischievous on either or both WW&C’s or the US embassy’s part.

    Ask Georgie Porgie about the history of typhoid in the Caribbean if yu don want to google.

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  • Bernard Codrington

    @ Dr. Simple Simon PhD at 2 :57 PM

    I see you have now added comedy to your repertoire. Quite apt methinks.

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  • you know it must be bad when the locals wont let there dogs run loose on the beach.

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  • John who is fromm an upper income family believes that the last typhoid cases in Barbados were in the 1850’s.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If you read what I wrote a while back you will see I referred to two outbreaks of Typhoid in 1907 and 1917 in the Mile and a Quarter area.

    I even give the public water supply source …. well in Farmer’s Gully.

    … and I do remember … too well .. the typhoid inoculations as a child.

    I know of a slightly older contemporary who died for Typhoid in or around 1966 when I was a boy.

    Given the surname I am guessing he was a distant cousin.

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  • I did refer to the cholera epidemic of 1854 when 20,000 Bajans died in a few months.

    Maybe you are confused.

    I would suggest you need a refresher course ….. Cholera and Typhoid are different. from what little I understand

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    ….WW&C avoided the question in her usual fashion leaving me and the BU family no wiser about the mooted occurrence of typhoid in Barbados.

    Are We There..i did not avoid your question, you asked where i got the info, i not only told you but referred you to CDC website or even the embassy, they got a website too…

    you did not ask me to post the CDC link, if it is possible.

    i will not post the email, but will see if the link can be copied later, am now on a completely different device.

    you will note that it is a normal CDC warning to be cautious, it never said there was an outbreak of either Hep A or typhoid…it merely asked citizens to exercise caution when traveling and advise they get the requisite shots …at all times….because of course CDC will know the islands history of water and food borne illnesses better than the jokes in parliament or the citizens.

    what you should be doing is imploring your lazy ass government to get their nasty acts together, because you can be sure that neither i nor the embassy caused any raw sewage to be leaking on the streets and neither can we be held responsible for any outbreaks..

    and while ya at it, get them to post truthfully, the test results of any elevated bacteria.

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    She may well have shared those test results with our Ministry of Foreign Affairs/Ministry of Health/Barbados Water Authority BEFORE the Embassy spoke publicly.

    i would bet on that..and the incompetent wretched brutes, very likely ignored her ass.

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  • SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT BREK DOWN

    HURRY UP AND FIX IT

    BACTERIA GETTING IN DE DRINKING WATER

    HURRY UP AND FIX IT

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  • Well Well @ Cut and Paste @ Your Service

    as a matter of fact…i did post portions of that email to BU the same day the advisory was sent out, so for all who missed it, that is just tough.

    ya just gotta settle for the CDC link, if i can manage to copy it, when i move again.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Are-We, my sideways swipe re “fending” off typhoid was followed later by the remark “loose talk” of typhoid fever. Take the two together good sir and you should realise that my supposed above normal pedanticism was blaring the same alarm you were…LOOSE, DANGEROUS talk.

    I would say this senor: Based on the excellent stuff read here by Dr Lucas and the factual historical details (in total) by John it is clear to me that we are in a very bad place re our vaunted water supply.

    This is dangerous Are-We. Talk of typhoid is very loose but it’s an illness that has its origins in contaminated water…we HAVE contaminated water… of course there are no public cases of such a calamitous illness and likely all the underlying factors are not present for such an outbreak….

    … But there are several cases of alleged gastroenteritis which is another debilitating illness caused by contaminared water…thus the loose lips as you suggest can cause consternation despite the fact that these diseases are very treatable.

    We are in a bad place and we have actors already identified as very perverse, corrupt folks running the show to ‘purify’ the same operations they f****ed up.

    We are being screwed…AGAIN.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service
  • dpD; It is clear that both the USA tests and the home grown Bajan tests did not find Salmonella typhi, the causal agent of Typhoid. No salmonella spp were found using the standard protocols so the talk of Typhoid is malicious at the least.

    As most posters have intimated the USA alerts were actually mild and only talked of high levels of unspecified Bacteria in the samples of water taken and sent for tests to an unspecified laboratory. Indeed, they indicated that salmonella and coliform bacteria were apparently not found – thereby eliminating Salmonella typhi as a probable cause.

    Is there some link between the sewage problem and the enhanced levels of “bacteria”? Quite likely, in my dated opinion, despite not having sat on a Laboratory bench for over 35 years.

    Are we in a very bad place re. our vaunted water supply. I venture to speculate that we are somewhere in the continuum between “yes” and “perhaps” in answer to that question. There is no doubt, however, that myriad poor decisions have brought us to this sorry pass.

    Have the Government and its agencies demonstrated that they appreciate the urgency for short and long term fixes? In my view, yes. But this Government and its cash strapped agencies can not solve the problems immediately even if they give the line agencies all the resources they need. Poor decision making and hoping for another dry first quarter is clearly not an option and will not work.

    Even calling an election in March is not likely to solve the problems quickly unless some fairly draconian steps are taken pre- and post-elections with the buy-in of the private sector. I think Dr Robert Lucas briefly outlined some of those steps.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Yall are truly lost, no wonder ya got shit running in the streets, you asked for the link, ya got the link and being the piece of shit negro ya are…ya still feel it is everyone else’s fault, or someone being malicious, anyone else but ya own government that can cause an outbreak of anything on the island…at any time.

    The only idiot you are convincing is yourself.

    Goddamn yardfowl….try changing anything, you probably never knew that the island is susceptible to TYPHOID…until I posted it.

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  • WW&C and Dr Simple Simon;

    Thanks for the above information.

    WW&C; I apologize for any adverse imputations I might have made re. your mention of typhoid in your previous post.

    I note that It was the CDC that made the unfortunate link that is somewhat akin to a Health agency in Barbados stating in an advisory on the USA that Bajan travellers there should take precautions against the plague.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Dr. Simple…every country issues precautionary warnings to their citizens, but these disgusting, low life, low class, useless, nobody yardfowls who are only good for pimping, think they can change something.

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  • Talking Loud Saying Nothing

    This is not looking good and will end very badly. Stuart and co. have been stumped and have become severely exposed by the USA health warning and their most recent test of the county’s water quality. There will be no business as usual on the plantation. People’s perception of the island will have irreversibly changed.

    As we speak, long term damage is being inflicted on the island

    When you cannot trust the water supply and the sanitation of a small island such as Barbados then you will have on your hands a chronically severe crisis.

    It has taken many decades to destroy the infrastructure of the country and it will take the same length of time to refurbish it.

    Stuart and his team of ministers should reflect on this crisis, and tender their resignation with immediate effect for the good of the country

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Are We There…the same warning given by CDC.., will also apply to citizens in Barbados…one has to be aware and always cognizant of water and food borne diseases no matter where you are…I have said a thousand times…I cannot drink tap water anywhere in the world..

    Bajans need to stop their backward bullshit of taking these things personally, they are for everyone’s safety, their time will be better served learning the island’s history of these diseases and avoiding the nastiness…eg..sewage leaks etc…that causes outbreaks.

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    I have a daughter in her midtwenties, in the island for a short period of time and got infected with Zika nearly 2 years ago, same time I did, now she cannot have any kids for at least 3 years because of that infection…and the associated birth defects.

    So if Bajans want to get angry because CDC is warning pregnant women or women planning to get pregnant to do not travel to Barbados…well too damn bad…same with water and food borne diseases.

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  • Theophilius Gazerts 258

    Now some yardfowl will talk about Zika in the US. Wait and see

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  • Talking Loud Saying Nothing

    “HARDtalk
    Cyril Ramaphosa – South Africa’s Deputy President
    In his first interview with the BBC since he became leader of South Africa’s ruling ANC In December 2017, Cyril Ramaphosa talks to Zeinab Badawi for HARDtalk. Currently deputy president of the country, Cyril Ramaphosa could become president very soon if Jacob Zuma heeds calls to step down. But is this ANC stalwart and wealthy businessman the right person to create a new South Africa from a country mired in cronyism and corruption allegations?”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09q09ly/hardtalk-cyril-ramaphosa-south-africas-deputy-president

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  • Thank you for your unbiased assessment – at last, a voice crying in the wilderness!

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Theo…they can talk until their asses fall down, we caught the ZIKA virus in Barbados, not US, not Canada, everytime I get a flare up, not only is it costly to treat, but I remember where I got it…

    ..,…one year before that..I got Chickungunya in Barbados, it very nearly crippled my ass, because of previous injuries I had….

    …..so these can blame everyone else under the sun……but just like every other country on earth, the damn place is dangerous, if cleanliness and basic health measures are being ignored and neglected.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Are-we thank you for the detailed review re the typhoid threat. As I said before we are on the same page. It is absolutely loose talk.

    I had not reviewed the CDC site and thought that they had in fact made a passing reference to the current issues along with their typhoid comment thus imputing a causaul link … as the blogger basically suggested.

    After a review, that is ABSOLUTELY NOT the case.

    I agree with your assessment. The remark here to make the reference bordered on malicious.

    Anyone who travels through Latin America and surely to the African continent knows that the identical general remark warnings would be attached to many countries there also.

    That’s not to take away from our current self-created problems or bash the CDC…not in the least..but as you pellucidly noted we do not have a typhoid issue imminent and the CDC NEVER SAID SO EITHER.

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  • Some things are better left unsaid.

    [video src="https://barbadosunderground.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/denis_kellman.mp4" /]

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    Pedant…dtop lying…you idiot..

    “I had not reviewed the CDC site and thought that they had in fact made a passing reference to the current issues along with their typhoid comment thus imputing a causaul link … as the blogger basically suggested.”

    This is what I posted…I specifically stated…when the info was available….if you frauds would read properly instead of trying to impress with ya ignorance…you will not make these stupid errors……inutile…

    …..you and Are You There are the only two asses on the blog who drew references with what I posted to a sewage leak instead of reading…read again what I posted this morning, how the hell did you two graduate from school…or did you?

    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service January 29, 2018 at 8:10 AM #
    FYI ALSO:

    this information was around BEFORE the sewage leak.

    get_vaccinated eat_drink

    Hepatitis A
    CDC recommends this vaccine because you can get hepatitis A through contaminated food or water in Barbados, regardless of where you are eating or staying.

    get_vaccinated eat_drink

    Typhoid
    You can get typhoid through contaminated food or water in Barbados. CDC recommends this vaccine for most travelers, especially if you are staying with friends or relatives, visiting smaller cities or rural areas, or if you are an adventurous eater.”

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    AGAIN…for fools who cannot read and understand at the same time…

    this information was around BEFORE the sewage leak.

    Which means that no one should have drawn any conclusions that any reference or suggestion was made to the sewage leak, the intent was merely to show that the island has a history of typhoid and HEPATITIS A.

    My 12 year old grandson understood that, learn to read AND comprehend simultaneously and stop spreading lies….I am not the one.

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  • BAJE January 29, 2018 at 2:33 PM #
    Embassy residences are in CHRIST CHURCH
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Christ Church is served from reservoirs like Fort George, Brittons Hill, Providence just above Springer Memorial. Grand View I think it is called.

    It is a gravity fed system.

    For sewage at the lowest level of Christ Church, 0-10 feet above sea level, to naturally impact anywhere on a higher contour interval is not possible … gravity won’t let it.

    It would have to be pumped.

    So once the residences are not in that contour interval, there is almost a negligible chance of any interaction … unless someone intervenes, … and not Murphy!!

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    As gracious as I can be, I will say Madame WW&C I replied to blogger Are-We’s remark which highlighted a reference which you had made. I really was NOT responding to you….

    I have absolutely no interest in engaging your petty personal attack modus.

    I misconstrued the overall typhoid reference from the brief comments. As is quite clear it is in fact a standard advisory issued for several countries besides Barbados.

    My error as was Are-We , was to correlate his (yours, in his case) CDC tyohoid reference to the current problems. There is absolutely NO SUCH link…direct or indirect.

    And again as graciously as I can state, yes your comment was malicious….

    … there was absolutrly no need to highlight a standard travel advisory with its typhoid fever caution into the debate of the current sewerage problems….if it was always on the CDC site then WHY the attempt to link it to this problem??

    It is also understood that EVERY tropical climate location will have issues of mosquito bourne diseases (like Miami, where several mothers had children with birth defects also) … thus, ALL travellers MUST take comprehensive personal precautions to safeguard themselves in addition to precautions done by the authorities against Zika etc.

    Please have a great night.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service January 29, 2018 at 8:04 PM

    Stop trying to defend your position on this one. You are presenting a very proactive case based on the first principle of public sanitation and public health; that is, ‘an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure’.

    Your detractors are like ostriches burying the Bajan sand of short memories.

    Anytime there is human shit (not cow or sheep) floating around for an extended period of time and out of control you can expect the presence of bacteria which could turn out to be dangerous to human health. Typhoid fever is a possible occurrence under such poor sanitation conditions.

    How can you expect to invite people from all over the world to come to your ‘advertised’ paradise of sea, sand, good health and safety but still have human waste- both local and exotic- floating on the streets housing places of dining and on the beaches?

    What’s make the current Shitbados so different from other shithole countries with poorly implemented and maintained public health standards and facilities?

    The crap that is playing out on the South coast was clearly preventable.
    But shit would always attract flies like those who- although handsomely paid to ensure that the health of the public is the wealth of the nation- are prepared to sell their professional soul for a mess of partisan political pottage.

    These so-called authorities, both political and executive, have been playing a game of Russian roulette over the past 3 years with the only asset the country really possesses and saleable to people with foreign money. That is the health of the people.

    They have been warned about the high probability of the collapse of the already overloaded and leaning utility poles lining the streets on the south coast.

    We shall see if they will take a proactive approach to this early warning or allow it to drift to a state of preventable collapse just like the Oistins Bay Gardens facility suffering an out break of some serious food-related infection.

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  • Theophilius Gazerts 259

    Somethings better left unsaid.
    It must be fun living in an alternate universe where potholes save lives and shitty water is a great advertisement.

    Didn’t he have a next water incident?

    The only thing that surprise me was that he was not one of the ministers jumping in the sea on the south coast,

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  • @Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service January 29, 2018 at 7:52 PM “We caught the ZIKA virus in Barbados, not US, not Canada, every time I get a flare up, not only is it costly to treat, but I remember where I got it…one year before that…I got Chickungunya in Barbados”

    If you have caught both Zika and Chickungunya on your [infrequent?] visits to Barbados then YOU are being careless. I have spent more than 50 uninterrupted years in Barbados and neither me nor any member of my household have ever caught dengue, zika or chickungunya. You would be well advised to follow the CDC’s advice on these matters. Screen all doors and windows, use bed nets, use mosquito repellent, and wear pants and long sleeves as required.

    Nobody except the very poor has to catch any of those three. All people with a basic education, a modest income and adherence to common sense rules can take measures to avoid catching dengue, zika and chickungunya.

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  • @Are-we-there-yet January 29, 2018 at 6:45 PM “akin to a Health agency in Barbados stating in an advisory on the USA that Bajan travellers there should take precautions against the plague.”

    And indeed if Bajans are visiting the southwest U.S.A. they SHOULD take precautions against the plague as the CDC advises:
    https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html

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  • Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service

    “neither me nor any member of my household have ever caught dengue, zika or chickungunya”…

    I got all three..2 in Barbados…it only takes one mosquito to deliver the disease, mosquitos love some people..unortunately, I am one, I had the whole protection thing down pat, screen on the windows, long clothes, socks and just opened the door….and that is all it took, one got in, laden with virus.

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