Christmas in October?

An interesting trend has emerged in Barbados in recent years. We have seen the promotion of the Christmas message in October by the commercial elites. A Bajan tradition of the not too distant past was to wait until we cleared the Independence period of November 30 before promoting Christmas messages.

Tradition in the context of this discussion is popularly defined as  “the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way”. The BU household is of the view that promoting Christmas after the Independence period has been a Bajan tradition up to five or six years ago. The shift we are witnessing raises the question- why the haste to popularize Christmas in October?

BU blogmaster is of the view the trend of promoting Christmas in October is linked to the increase in local businesses which are foreign and regionally owned. Starcom Network owned by the Port of Spain domiciled parent has attracted rising criticism for promoting the theme “Christmas in October” on 104.1 The Beat. In recent years, and this year is no exception, we have seen the Trinidadian owned banks- Republic and First Citizens- launching Christmas promotions in October. Interesting also to note- Royal Bank the Canadian owned bank with regional head office in Trinidad- launched its Christmas promotion this week.

We have key intuitions in the country that have responded to the pressure of maintaining profit margins by using resources to power a message to create consumption demand in a period traditionally reserved for pre-Independence activity. All agree that Independence promotion is NOT a money spinner for the business sector. Barbados society has shifted to a secular mindset which makes it receptive (vulnerable?) to Christmas messages in October. Worldwide Christmas has denigrated from a Christian holiday to a wildly commercial venture promoted under the theme “eat drink and be merry”.

There is a view to which the blogmaster subscribes, it is tasteless to promote Christmas in October. Unlike Jamaica, Trinidad and a few other islands, Barbadians have struggled with propagating a patriotic fervour that fiercely perpetuates and defends the Bajan identity and brand.  The concern for some of us is that when our leading radio station, once locally owned, surrenders its responsibility to defend local traditions then the obvious result is that the fight becomes a little harder for the next generation Bajan.

There is the argument that life is about change and this is true. However, some things in the opinion of this author- implied or expressed- must never change. Although a minority view, WE must demand that key players in civil society respect the Independence period by maintaining a respectable ‘noise level’. If we allow traditional notions and values to be subsumed by cultural relativism and popularism, the inevitable result will be one where the evolution of the Bajan identity will be laid bare on a path to nowhere.

We [Barbadians] loyal sons and daughters all
Do hereby make it known
These fields and hills beyond recall
Are now our very own
We write our names on history’s page
With expectations great
Strict guardians of our heritage
Firm craftsmen of our fate

Chorus, Barbados National Anthem

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61 Comments on “Christmas in October?”

  1. Hamilton A Hill October 14, 2017 at 9:22 AM #

    Oh boy! The power of the almighty dollar coupled with the fact that we are nothing but CARI CLOWNS is at work here again. Bajans believe that once it is said by a politician or some other public figure ala a radio personality, it is the gospel. Bajan pride, or at least what’s left of it tells me that 104.1 The Beat continues to engage in syncopation. Is there any significance in the date November 30th ? Others choose not to respect us because we choose not to respect ourselves. Case in point…….. not so long ago certain Trickidadians were able to ship into Barbados some garbage labeled as “Crop Over Water” in the height of the crop over season, and we said nothing. These are the same heifers that turned back Pine Hill Dairy products from their shores on the flimsiest of reasons without reprisal. No media house, print nor electronic should promote any Christmas activity before December 1st in Barbados. The significance of November 30th needs to be wrapped in BAJAN PRIDE.

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  2. Vincent Haynes October 14, 2017 at 9:53 AM #

    Merchants are unable to make much money on independence in a month as opposed to a true,tried and tested marketable product over the ages called xmas.

    Note the xmas theme only needs dusting off every year from september in the western countries,whereas Independence is yet to stimulate some gurus to come up with an annual marketable money earning theme for the merchants to push, which obviously would entail importing cheap and selling high a la crop over/kadooment.

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  3. de pedantic Dribbler October 14, 2017 at 10:15 AM #

    Mr Blogmaster, your five-six year time line is way off. That was noticed long before Stardom was a jewel in a TnT’conglomorate.

    But more important though how is our society’s behaviours in October any more secular than the outsized consumption, advertising and commercial activity in December.

    Neither of the two have anything to do with the Jesus story.

    I hear your lament that our independence celebration is being devalued but realistically it’s not going to change as the commercial frenzy of Christmas drives significant economic vibrancy.

    The patriotic fervour of our nation’s birth simply does not beneficially impact citizens in the same way.

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  4. Tony Trotman October 14, 2017 at 10:24 AM #

    It seems that Barbadian traditions will continue to pass away, e.g. 1. Cricket (it’s no longer a way of life). 2 Saying “Good Morning” or replying to a person who has said “Good Morning” (e.g. at the bus stop). 3. Home-cooked meals on Sunday (I’ve been told that nobody aint got no time for da now).

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  5. David October 14, 2017 at 10:27 AM #

    @Dee Word and Vincent

    It is the positions you have taken and seems resigned that we oppose.

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  6. Sargeant October 14, 2017 at 10:56 AM #

    Wuh Xmas dey talkin bout? Don’t they know that we have to get through Halloween first?

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  7. Pachamama October 14, 2017 at 11:15 AM #

    The whole of Christendom is bare Shiite.

    Yet we have some supposedly intelligent people here who are willing to follow racist Christians zealots as racist, including Trump, right here on BU

    They follow a book which has no historical credence.

    A book in which none of the characters ever existed.

    A book for which there are no robust proofs of its validity, yet they call themselves scientists.

    A book used and still being used to enslave and subject the peoples of the world to vicious dispensationalism – dominionism.

    With stinking white people in charge, of course. Because their god could only be white.

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  8. de pedantic Dribbler October 14, 2017 at 11:26 AM #

    David , the only position I have taken actually agrees with your base point re the secularism of ‘Xmas’.

    The fact that you lament the October or pre-independence period as the start ofthe secular frenzy is flawed in my view as I noted. What’s the difference?

    Christmas has long been secularized (world wide, as you noted) and in Bdos our independence day is your bench mark but to do that misses the outsized commercial frenzy that has taken Christ out of Xmas for many, many years…particularly in Barbados.

    In the US some folks lament the same around their Thanksgiving Day celebrations (week before our Independence) and others too in Canada where Thanksgiving is early October as some companies started their campaigns juxtaposed with those major holidays.

    But we can only fix that in our own personal and family life … unless @Hal’s worst fears are realized or other such draconian mandate comes to pass. That’s just a fact of life!

    In US for example people were aghast for years now that retail stores wanted to open on Christmas day itself to facilitate gift returns and of course incite purchases of newly discounted items.

    Your lament is noted…yet it’s still a very personal/family issue as I do not see a practical way back for society writ large.

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  9. David October 14, 2017 at 11:35 AM #

    @Dee Word

    And the point you are missing is that the thrust here is about a changing landscape in Barbados which sees the rubbishing of a tradition that strikes deep to who we are as a people i.e. the rubbishing of Independence because we have surrendered to populism.

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  10. Theophilius Gazerts III October 14, 2017 at 12:21 PM #

    @Tony
    1. Cricket (it’s no longer a way of life). ***
    Given the limited success of the WI cricket team, it is not surprising that youngsters are not as enthusiastic as in previous years. It can only get worse until a large very talented group of players emerge (all at the same time)

    2 Saying “Good Morning” or replying to a person who has said “Good Morning” ****
    Do your bit, just keep on saying “Good morning” to all

    Home-cooked meals on Sunday. **** I like that one best of all.

    I am wondering if some of those macho men step in the kitchen on Sunday or is it the woman’s work. If it is the woman’s job, you are going to eat out some Sundays… The men have to pitch in and help.

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  11. Theophilius Gazerts III October 14, 2017 at 12:27 PM #

    The length of the Christmas season is expanding everywhere. It is now a marketing season. Sadly, the good old days where Christ was the center of Christmas is far behind us.

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  12. Theophilius Gazerts III October 14, 2017 at 12:32 PM #

    Before I draw the ire or love of a few, please allow me to add that I am not a bible thumper. However, I love this time of year and the idea of “Peace on earth. Goodwill to all men”.

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  13. Georgie Porgie October 14, 2017 at 12:43 PM #

    RE 1. Cricket (it’s no longer a way of life). ***
    Given the limited success of the WI cricket team, it is not surprising that youngsters are not as enthusiastic as in previous years. It can only get worse until a large very talented group of players emerge (all at the same time)

    THIS IS BULLSHIT.
    PRIOR TO THE PERIOD 1976 The WI cricket team PLAYED GREAT CRICKET WITHOUT BEING THE RAMPANT VANQUISHERS OF ALL AND SUNDRY BUT CRICKET WAS THE WAY OF LIFE

    AS BOYS WE PLAYED EVERYWHRE, ALL DAY SOMETIMES EVEN THOUGH he WI cricket team WERE NOT WORLD CONQUERORS THEN

    WHY SHOULD BOYS TODAY HAVE TO BE INFLUENCED BY the limited success of the WI cricket team, TO BE as enthusiastic as in previous years?.

    IT IS BETTER TO PLAY CRICKET ALL DAY AND ANWHERE AS WE DID, THAN JOINING GANGS AND SHOOTING UP FOL AND SMOKING WEED. ah lie

    2 Home-cooked meals on Sunday.
    IN MANY HOMES BACK IN THE DAY MOST FAMILY MEMBERS CONTRIBUTED TO THE FAMILY MEAL ON SUNDAYS. IT WAS A GREAT TIME TO BE ALL TOGETHER AFTER GOING TO CHURCH TOGETHER

    YOU MORONS ARE MISSING THE POINT OF THE THREAD

    WE ARE DEPARTING FROM OUR TRADITIONS
    OUR TRADITIONS MEAN LITTLE TO US TODAY
    WE LIKE EVERYTHING FROM OVER IN A WAY ESPECIALLY THE EVILS FROM THE USA

    NOTE THAT IN THE USA THEY TRAVEL FOR MILES TO ENJOY THEIR TRADITIONS OF I JULY 4TH AND THANKSGIVING DAY

    MAYBE CAMMIE TUDOR DIDNT CHOOS E THE MOST CONVENIENT COMMERCIAL DATE FOR OUR INDEPENDNCE DAY………..BUT NOVEMBER 3OTH IS OUR INDEPENDENCE DAY. WHY CANT WE OBSERVE IT AS ALL OTHER NATIONS OBSERVE THEIRS WITH ALL THE ATTENDING TRADITIONS?

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  14. Georgie Porgie October 14, 2017 at 1:02 PM #

    re David October 14, 2017 at 11:35 AM #
    @Dee Word

    And the point you are missing is that the thrust here is about a changing landscape in Barbados which sees the rubbishing of a tradition that strikes deep to who we are as a people i.e. the rubbishing of Independence because we have surrendered to populism.

    NO DAVID WE HAVE SURRENDERED TO ALL ( EVERYTHING) THAT WAS GOOD AND WORTHWHILE AND THAT WORKED IN THE PAST! …….and generally sought to replace it by meaningless shit!

    what has become of Colonel Buggy? He used to bring much relevant knowledge of our past to this forum, which I personally enjoyed

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  15. Theophilius Gazerts III October 14, 2017 at 1:18 PM #

    RE 1. Cricket (it’s no longer a way of life). ***
    Once upon a time, long long ago, there was nothing to do but play cricket. A bat and a ball were your sole source of entertainment. Skills were sharpened by hours upon hours of playing the game.

    But one day, a wicked sorcerer invented something call the television. And other socrerers followed in his footstep and computers and video games were invented. These video games cast a spell upon the youngster and instead of venturing outside to play the game of cricket, they were distracted by other games.

    If it was just c’cricket all day and anywhere” or “joining gangs and shooting up folks and smoking weed” you would have a point.

    But breaking news “Internet, Tv, wi-fi, computer, video games, youtube ….

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  16. Georgie Porgie October 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM #

    re If it was just c’cricket all day and anywhere” or “joining gangs and shooting up folks and smoking weed” you would have a point.

    HOW IS IT THAT OTHER NATIONS STILL SUCCEED AT CRICKET?

    DONT THEY ALSO HAVE breaking news “Internet, Tv, wi-fi, computer, video games, youtube ALSO?

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  17. millertheanunnaki October 14, 2017 at 5:47 PM #

    @ Georgie PorgieOctober 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM

    Good point GP.

    You are getting good at spotting fallacious arguments. We are wishing upon a star for such luck to prevail in your epistemological incursions of the Judeo-Christian kind. LOL!!!

    We suspect it’s a more a matter of an abject lack of discipline and the loss of genuine love of the game which once infused a certain ‘competitive’ esprit de corps and bonded the team called “West Indies”.

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  18. Georgie Porgie October 14, 2017 at 6:02 PM #

    mILLER
    YOU SHOULD HAVE STOPPED AT Good point GP. AND OMITTED THE BULLSHIT IN YOUR SECOND PARAGRAPH

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  19. Lee October 14, 2017 at 7:12 PM #

    “Ah started to prepare because I know the time is near
    Ah feel a change of climate coming through the atmosphere
    Christmas music playin’ – parang bands gettin’ in line.
    Ah hope Santa bring you exactly what you had in mind.”

    Early seasonal shopping is encouraged in T&T because carnival ramps up from December.

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  20. Theophilius Gazerts IX October 14, 2017 at 7:16 PM #

    This does not discount the fact that kids in the Caribbean still have plenty of distractions instead of playing cricket all day.

    This is a complicated topic and merits more than a few throw away sentences. We need to add other factors.

    Does the modern day Caribbean cricketer still have the hunger of the cricketers of yesteryear?
    Do they want to beat their colonial masters as badly as Sobers et al wanted to?
    Does their desire to be champs equal or surpass that of cricketers elsewhere?

    Most of these countries have populations that are several times ours. Using India as an extreme case, by the size of the population then for each talented Caribbean man, we can have a a 100 talented Indian Cricketers
    Are the training regimes comparable?
    Do we have the same level of discipline?

    The poor miller though blinded by your eloquence pointed out that there is more at play. Sadly, he did not recognize what his main point should have been and should have stopped at “Good point GP”.

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  21. Simple Simon October 14, 2017 at 7:25 PM #

    @David he blogmaster “An interesting trend has emerged in Barbados in recent years. We have seen the promotion of the Christmas message in October by the commercial elites. A Bajan tradition of the not too distant past was to wait until we cleared the Independence period of November 30 before promoting Christmas messages.”

    For those of us who were born and came to adulthood before November 30, 1966, we say bring on the Christmas season, and bring on Independence too lolll!!! who says that we can’t celebrate Independence and Christmas at the same time?

    To imply that people cannot celebrate Independence and Christmas at the same time is like saying that one cannot love one’s parents and one’s spouse at the same time. That one must somehow chose between these 3 people all of whom we love.

    We love them BOTH, Christmas and Independence, parents and spouse.

    We are a generous, big hearted people.

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  22. Simple Simon October 14, 2017 at 7:28 PM #

    I love Barbados. I love Christmas.

    Who are these Stalinists who want us to choose?

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  23. Simple Simon October 14, 2017 at 7:35 PM #

    @Theophilius Gazerts III October 14, 2017 at 12:21 PM “I am wondering if some of those macho men step in the kitchen on Sunday or is it the woman’s work. If it is the woman’s job, you are going to eat out some Sundays.”

    And when wunna men eat out on Sundays wunna betta be prepared to pull wunna pockets. No going Dutch sh!te!!!

    Lol.

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  24. Simple Simon October 14, 2017 at 7:43 PM #

    @Georgie Porgie October 14, 2017 at 12:43 PM “WE ARE DEPARTING FROM OUR TRADITIONS OUR TRADITIONS MEAN LITTLE TO US TODAY. WE LIKE EVERYTHING FROM OVER IN A WAY ESPECIALLY THE EVILS FROM THE USA.”

    And there you are leading from the front, loving and living in the traditions of the good ole USA.

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  25. Georgie Porgie October 14, 2017 at 7:50 PM #

    RE
    Does the modern day Caribbean cricketer still have the hunger of the cricketers of yesteryear?
    Do they want to beat their colonial masters as badly as Sobers et al wanted to?
    Does their desire to be champs equal or surpass that of cricketers elsewhere?

    Most of these countries have populations that are several times ours. Using India as an extreme case, by the size of the population then for each talented Caribbean man, we can have a a 100 talented Indian Cricketers
    Are the training regimes comparable?
    Do we have the same level of discipline?

    HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THE ABOVE
    THE MAJOR CAUSE BEGAN IN 82 WHEN WE BANNED OUR PLAYERS FOR LIFE WHO WENT TO SOUTH AFRICA
    THE RESULT WAS A LACK OF COMPETITION AND CONTINUITY OF THE STANDARDS
    HOW MANY FIRST CLASS GAMES DID LARA PLAY FOR T&T AFTER HE “RETIRED” IN 2007?
    COMPARE THIS WITH WEEKES IN BIM WORRELL IN JAMAICA OR WALCOTT IN GUYANA

    BOYS IN BIM SHOULD BE PLAYING NUFF CRICKET TODAY IN THE HOPE OF GETTING A LUCRATIVE CONTRACT SOMEWHERE

    BEFORE 77 THE GREATS PLAYED FOR PEANUTS

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  26. Truthseeker October 14, 2017 at 8:02 PM #

    Blame Cammie Tudor for the very thoughtful decision to put “Independence Day” smack dab in the “Christmas Season”! Genie is out of the bottle folks…. BTW, who decreed that “Independence” must be celebrated for a whole month? Why can’t the two coexist?

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  27. millertheanunnaki October 14, 2017 at 8:23 PM #

    @ Theophilius Gazerts IXOctober 14, 2017 at 7:16 PM
    “Most of these countries have populations that are several times ours. Using India as an extreme case, by the size of the population then for each talented Caribbean man, we can have a a 100 talented Indian Cricketers
    Are the training regimes comparable?
    Do we have the same level of discipline?”

    Good riposte there, Theo!
    It only goes to show that the ladies’ claim that size doesn’t matter is just a massaging of the puny egos of underequipped boys playing in the league for well-endowed men.

    So if size did matter how come India or China has never produced a star like Ali, Pele or Bolt in sports like boxing, football or athletic?

    But there is still time as AI takes over all competitive games as it has done in the zero-sum game of Chess.

    Britain was formerly greatest empire in history not because of its ‘size’ but because of the discipline, organization and the acumen ‘resting’ in its people.

    English-speaking Caribbean people, aka West Indians, because of their heritage can do much better in punching above their weight than they presently do especially in the game of cricket given the kind of financial sponsorship and forex involved compared to that which Sir Learie Constantine, Sir Garry and Sir Viv were offered to entertain the best of the critics.

    Those fellas did not bat in helmets against castrated fast bowlers as the boys do today.

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  28. Georgie Porgie October 14, 2017 at 8:29 PM #

    Those fellas did not bat in helmets against castrated fast bowlers as the boys do today. murdah!
    nor did they use arm guards or chest armour or thigh pads et al!

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  29. Artax October 15, 2017 at 4:56 AM #

    What I also find disturbing is that over the past few years the popularity of halloween is growing exponentially among Barbadians.

    On the Barbados Today web-site there is an advertisement of a facebook page called “Creepy Hollow Haunted Estate Barbados,” which gives details of halloween events, such as “Thriller, the halloween event” and “Creepy Hollow J’ouvert Massacre.”

    What the hell does the American shiite halloween has to with Barbados and why are Barbadians so eager to embrace such shiite?

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  30. David October 15, 2017 at 5:04 AM #

    The answer is simple, we (especially the middle class) slavishly follow US TV and social media. We know more about what Trump says than Chastanet or Mitchell. It is what the blogmaster means when he refers to going with what is popular. When do the leaders make a stand to defend certain values that define the Bajan. We prefer to surrender and say businesses must make money.

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  31. Vincent Haynes October 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM #

    Chastanet and Mitchell………..with Branson.

    do we want a Marshall plan????

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  32. de pedantic Dribbler October 15, 2017 at 1:47 PM #

    @ Blogmaster David, I agree with you and Artax above re the impact popular customs of large nations subverting the local traditions or cultures of Bdose and other such small countries….BUTTT … I approach the issue from a diametrically different perspective and thus see different paths to solutions and safeguarding local traditions.

    In brief…

    How many Bajans ‘celebrate’ Valentine’s Day? And what of Mother’s or Father’s Day. These too are commercializations of a worthy thought or implied custom.

    Unquestionably every day is a day to celebrate the love of a partner and surely the love for a parent so there is absolutely no need to build so much hype towards one day a year, is there!

    But it’s done of course to create a theme and generate marketing buzz to drive commerce…so I really can’t get to your place that says “. We prefer to surrender and say businesses must make money”. That is too cynical.

    We can’t decry lost customs because of crass commercialization rather it is often what we as a people embrace as worthy which businesses hype successfully…and vice-versa.

    That said, I have never embraced Halloween but how can I scoff at this when in fact it’s quite related (yes, though different) to what in Mexico (Latin America now and world wide generally) is a hallowed tradition of ‘Dia de Muertos’ when homage is paid to those who have gone on.

    This is a dedicated holiday there in Mexico and has a tradition going back centuries.

    The link to Halloween is surely seen in the imagery because the two customs have different ‘intents’.

    But simply stated, there is much too learn, interpret and expand from one seemingly insignificant custom (Halloween)…

    It’s all that multiculturalism about which we so often (and idly) speak.

    And beyond all that there is always a new day to encourage consumption around some theme.

    In my restaurant there would be a Mother’s Day celebratory special buy EVERY day….

    But if people want to fete and are more than willing to rent my establishment for the night in order to dress up and transform themselves to a land of make believe for a few hours I would be doing a disservice to my employees to ” surrender and say [the] businesses must [ NOT ] make money” for a Halloween party, Kadooment Jam, Burn All Bras Day or even a Get Rid Of Stuart(/ Mia) Bashment.

    Just saying!

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  33. Georgie Porgie October 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM #

    Artax October 15, 2017 at 4:56 AM #

    What the hell does the American shiite halloween has to with Barbados and why are Barbadians so eager to embrace such shiite?

    I AGREE WITH YOU ONE HUNDRED PERCENT
    WHY MUST WE SUCCUMB TO THE CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS OF OTHERS AND FORGET AND ABANDON OUR OWN?

    David October 15, 2017 at 5:04 AM #
    The answer is simple, we (especially the middle class) slavishly follow US TV and social media. We know more about what Trump says than Chastanet or Mitchell.

    AGAIN I AGREE WITH YOU ONE HUNDRED PERCENT
    INSTEAD OF SLAVISHLY WATCHING THE LAME STREAM MEDIA I REVEL IN LONE RANGER GUNSMOKE AND ROY ROGERS MOVIES WHEN THEIR IS NO CRICKET. THERE ARE OF COURSE ALSO THOSE DELIGHTFUL ANIMAL SHOWS THAT HIGHLIGHT GOD’S CREATION

    RE
    IWe prefer to surrender and say businesses must make money.

    DID NOT businesses make money IN DAYS OF YORE.
    CAN businesses NOT make money WITHOUT SUCCUMBING TO AMERICANA?.

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  34. Kevin October 15, 2017 at 2:25 PM #

    Both Christmas and Independence can be celebrated together. Christmas in Barbados feels too short. Bring it on and I hope it continues from now on.

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  35. Vincent Haynes October 15, 2017 at 3:06 PM #

    The Why……….

    But with changing world,celebrating festivals is not limited to its core cause,with time the reason of celebrations are modified.In today’s world,people are too busy in their schedule to have time for others.These celebration gives that person a reason to enjoy,to mingle and to live a peaceful moments,away from stress and worries.Festivals mends the broken hearts and bind the relationship. People have a fresh start,leaving mistakes,worries behind,with new hope people look forward towards life.A meaningful celebration can fill a person life with joy and love.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiF1JjTqPPWAhUDOiYKHQs6CGwQFghdMAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.quora.com%2FWhy-should-we-celebrate-festivals&usg=AOvVaw2CvcrSi3hEw1kPY8ch-4Qg
    ……………………………………………………………..

    The more the merrier it seems.

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  36. David October 15, 2017 at 3:14 PM #

    @Vincent

    Your last comment confirms what some of us disagree with i.e. an approach of cultural relativism.

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  37. Vincent Haynes October 15, 2017 at 3:31 PM #

    David

    Hmmm…..cultural relativism……please explain this term in lay mans language and how it pertains to the link I shared.

    At the University of Waterford we did not come across such terms,remember I am an ancient duffus.

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  38. David October 15, 2017 at 3:36 PM #

    Question: "What is cultural relativism?"



    Answer:
    Cultural relativism is the view that all beliefs, customs, and ethics are relative to the individual within his own social context. In other words, “right” and “wrong” are culture-specific; what is considered moral in one society may be considered immoral in another, and, since no universal standard of morality exists, no one has the right to judge another society’s customs.

    Cultural relativism is widely accepted in modern anthropology. Cultural relativists believe that all cultures are worthy in their own right and are of equal value. Diversity of cultures, even those with conflicting moral beliefs, is not to be considered in terms of right and wrong or good and bad. Today’s anthropologist considers all cultures to be equally legitimate expressions of human existence, to be studied from a purely neutral perspective.

    Cultural relativism is closely related to ethical relativism, which views truth as variable and not absolute. What constitutes right and wrong is determined solely by the individual or by society. Since truth is not objective, there can be no objective standard which applies to all cultures. No one can say if someone else is right or wrong; it is a matter of personal opinion, and no society can pass judgment on another society.

    Cultural relativism sees nothing inherently wrong (and nothing inherently good) with any cultural expression. So, the ancient Mayan practices of self-mutilation and human sacrifice are neither good nor bad; they are simply cultural distinctives, akin to the American custom of shooting fireworks on the Fourth of July. Human sacrifice and fireworks—both are simply different products of separate socialization.

     

    https://www.gotquestions.org/cultural-relativism.html

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  39. Vincent Haynes October 15, 2017 at 4:19 PM #

    David

    Cuhdear…….all of that to say what I quote umpteen times on here……”to each their own”……wuhloss……and I learnt that at Cawmere.

    Now to your substantive point and objection to each one/substrata of society having and doing their own thing…..I wonder why?

    We have had East Indian,European,American,Afro-American,Caribbean Pelau with their many feasts and celebrations ranging from Diwahli to Kwanza being accepted here.

    With the Caribbean Pelau being the most prolific embracer of activities,hence we have a merchant class ready and willing to facilitate their desires.

    We are a capitalist society with freedom of speech and will under our constitution…..not a communist one………..so whats the beef?

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  40. millertheanunnaki October 15, 2017 at 6:01 PM #

    @ Vincent HaynesOctober 15, 2017 at 4:19 PM

    Excellent interpretation of the saying: “Variety is the spice of life”.

    Just remember when in holy Rome do as the Romans do; unless you want to be fed to the lions on their feast day dedicated to the god Bacchus.

    “So where is the ‘dragon’ herb”, eh?

    Under the control of those who make up the moral rules and legal regulations to stop the Rasta-man from making a living like the merchant class?

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  41. Sargeant October 15, 2017 at 6:55 PM #

    What day is Jesus’ birthday again?

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  42. Georgie Porgie October 15, 2017 at 7:04 PM #

    RE What day is Jesus’ birthday again?
    No ONE KNOWS
    SUCH KNOWLEDGE HAS NO REAL VALUE. DOES IT?

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  43. Simple Simon October 15, 2017 at 7:53 PM #

    @Sargeant October 15, 2017 at 6:55 PM “What day is Jesus’ birthday again?”

    This year Monday 25 December. if you are still working take Friday December 22 as a vacation day, and enjoy a long, long weekend with your family. Go back to work on Wednesday December 27.

    A Merry Christmas to all.

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  44. millertheanunnaki October 15, 2017 at 8:08 PM #

    @ Georgie PorgieOctober 15, 2017 at 7:04 PM

    And all along pagans like the miller thought it was the same as Horus!

    Nah, why not make it the same as Krishna’s?

    No way Jose, that would be making Lord Jesus a tar baby!

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  45. Navigator October 16, 2017 at 8:11 AM #

    I am sorry but this Christmas in October is bare foolishness!!
    Independence issue apart, play Christmas songs so early make many to hate the Season…who starts celebrating his birthday 3 months before?? So why not Easter in February?? It is disturbing and confusing, but not only that. The commercial purpose of this madness can reverse with people tired to hear xmas songs and honestly I hope it’s going to happen! Commercial freaks!!!

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  46. David October 16, 2017 at 8:16 AM #

    The root point here which was referenced in the blog is the ‘addiction’ to consumption behaviour, the shift of ownership to non-Bajan shareholders who are not as committed to our ideals, mores and the like. We will continue to see the fallout. For Vincent’s benefit, this is not just abut celebrating Xmas in October or maybe next year in September. It is about what is a Bajan and the type of society we want to build.

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  47. Sargeant October 16, 2017 at 9:19 AM #

    Does Archie Bumma and de tuk band sound as sweet in October as they do on Xmas morning? Looka here it can’t hurt if I hear Archie Bumma and de tuk band early, dat Potato mout man too sweet.

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  48. David October 16, 2017 at 9:28 AM #

    Just as sweet as jugjug in September.

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  49. Sargeant October 16, 2017 at 9:39 AM #

    @David
    Gotta say that you are trying to secure the barn long after the horse has bolted, what type of society do you have when kindergartens have elaborate graduation celebrations?

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  50. David October 16, 2017 at 9:46 AM #

    @Sarge

    “I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had no where else to go. My own wisdom and that of all about me seemed insufficient for that day.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln

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  51. Vincent Haynes October 16, 2017 at 12:20 PM #

    David

    I am not into festivals,celebration or activities of any sort….I do not need validation or require crowd support.

    The point I keep leading you too that you refuse to deal with is……the MERCHANT class exists because of the Political class……..the mc offer the supply and the pc ensures that a demand exists.

    The Merchant class is the major supplier of money to the economy and the election coffers.

    So tell me how you are going to convince Bimmers to stop wukking up at every cock fight&dance…….look at the donkey hair,fake nails,cheap jewelry,dresses,pants to drop off of bottoms,nuff underpants to show…..that is only one area of demands….the others would be the high end or wannabees…..who need big rides,real bling,house accesories and the list goes on…..tell me how to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted.?

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  52. Vincent Haynes October 16, 2017 at 12:59 PM #

    Look at how this govt treats its Manufacturers……..but not merchants…

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  53. Vincent Haynes October 16, 2017 at 1:06 PM #

    David

    The above post was a letter by Sir David Seale to the Sunday Sun pg 12A of october 15th 2017…..lamenting the treatment by govt.

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  54. Vincent Haynes October 16, 2017 at 1:16 PM #

    will try again….

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  55. Vincent Haynes October 16, 2017 at 3:06 PM #

    Interesting BIBA…..

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  56. Vincent Haynes October 16, 2017 at 3:08 PM #

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  57. Rick October 16, 2017 at 10:18 PM #

    What is so wrong with Christmas in October in an open society….Non Communist, multi religious country. We talk liberalism and open economy but behave like we are some isolated communist island.

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  58. David October 17, 2017 at 2:20 PM #

    It seems mildly ironic to listen to PM Stuart announcing that in the “rich tradition” of Barbados the late GG Husbands will be afforded a state funeral. Then there is the resignation that Trump’s conservative appointments to the Supreme Court of late and to come will ensure that American ‘traditions’ are protected. It is only in Barbados we do not even try to defend what is Barbadianna.

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  59. Vincent Haynes October 17, 2017 at 4:58 PM #

    David

    The American tradition going back 400 years is based on genocide,rape,theft,incest,fratricide,duplicity and being the worlds bully.

    Bim has not developed a tradition as yet because it has had many a restart since 1627 e.g. end of slave trade,emancipation,adult suffrage,independence,now globalisation……never rush the brush.

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  60. merrychristmaswishes2017 October 30, 2017 at 12:40 PM #

    christmas in october title was good.. in fact people definitely see eye catching title…
    content was good…

    christmas eve memes funny

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