An Elitist 11+

Submitted by William Skinner

John Cumberbatch, the late president of the Barbados Union of Teachers, often described the Common Examination as elitist. He was convinced that once it remained the gold standard of excellence, the system would eventually be the main cause for several societal problems. It was a position he took before the mid-seventies, when he was leader of the BUT. Forty years later, his predictions have come to pass and we are still refusing to accept that he and others who supported this view were correct.

What is most unfortunate is that many of those teachers who were exposed to John’s views, embraced them but we now find them four decades later, in powerful positions, denouncing his positions and shamelessly defending the status quo. These former “Comrades” have sold their souls on the altar of political expediency and one often wonders, if they have collectively agreed to hold fast to the mantra: “if you can’t beat them join them”. They are to be found in both government and opposition. The classical case of pigs now walking on their hind legs and behaving like the masters, in Animal Farm.

Those voices crying in the wilderness for a radical reform of the education system, are to be commended but once parents believe that their children, can enter Harrison or Queens College, the task to change the system becomes more difficult. If many of those parents knew that some children enter the examination room, barely having the ability to recognize their names, they would perhaps be more supportive.

Any country that deliberately throws hundreds of its children in a socio-economic river while gleefully celebrating the achievements of a few, is certainly guilty of a form of societal genocide. The current rise in crime and the escalating disregard for life or limb by some of our youth, are certain signs of the full growth of seeds that were planted at least four decades ago. Our social scientists, have bluntly refused to utilize their knowledge to show or explain how the education system, is fertile breeding ground, for much of the deviancy that is now permeating the society.

Some moderators who chased callers off their programs, when they tried to explain that the education system was a great contributor, to many of our problems, are heard these days crying crocodile tears because they are facing the frightening reality, that if we refuse to rescue our youth from the path of drugs and crime, they would be no longer safe in their comfortable heights and terraces. It means that their desire to now embrace what they formally dismissed as “fringe elements”, is perhaps guided by ulterior motives.

Any form of elitism breeds disaffection and is immediately followed by hopelessness. We cannot restructure the economy without education reform. It is impossible to produce a 2017 model car on a 1950 production line. Our people remain our most precious resource, and that resource must be carefully nurtured for national development. It is not too late but time is running out.

190 thoughts on “An Elitist 11+


  1. The fools in government and ministry of education refuse to listen that the 11 plus has outlived any usefulness it have had had for 40 or 50 years, as long as it’s still tied to a slave society concept designed, created and given to them by UK, as long as it disadvantages a wide cross section of socuety so that a few fools can boast about a particular school or two to feel they are more important or better off than they neighbors…. they will not want to let it go.

    But the port is open for gun and drug running from those who are hellbent on destroying the society and have the resources to do it if not stopped in their tracks……and the governments dont want to shut that illegal business down..

    Which will lead to the total destruction of a few more generations of young people in the majority population.


  2. Once again, we hear & read how terrible the 11+ is for our children ………. but no constructive alternative solution is offered! It is elitist, unfair to the poor, tied to a slave society, etc., etc. …. and now it is being linked to the use of guns & murders…. wow! May be true but who knows?

    Until ALL our secondary schools are on an even playing field & there is enough space for all the children, the 11+ or a similar system will remain in place…. and please don’t suggest ‘continuous assessment’ as a better alternative. Will not work in our small society where ‘everybody knows everybody’ &

    Will delaying the “11+ syndrome” until they reach 5th Form & have to deal with CXC, CAPE, etc., then the competitive world of work …… make a difference?


  3. On the issue of education. Nothing is wrong with the 11 plus. It demonstrates what status the children have achieved in academics.

    What IS wrong is that once in secondary school, children have to take lessons because many, not all, but many, teachers do not care or else simply cannot teach.

    That applies to Harsuns, Queens, Cawmere, St.Michaels, Foundaiton, Lodge, etc ALL.

    The other thing is, if a child is not academically gifted, then provide school alternatives of excellence such as electrics, carpentry, masonry, etc. And I mean excellence, not some ship shoddy class.

    The problem is not that the common entrance is elitist, it is that the secondary school system is mediocre.


  4. Before someone says that the school system here is better than US etc.

    So what, comparing to worse does not make it better.

    @Well Well,

    You do agree that the presence of illegal drugs is no coincidence in degrading a society?

    It is not just about criminal elements making money. It is also deliberate sabotage of the majority.

    It happened in the US with crack etc vs black population. What is interesting is that the white middle class is being targeted by the same forces.

    No coincidence that the opioid epidemic is happening.

    It is calculated castration of the minds of the majority.

    That process is elitist, truly elitist.

    And something worth discussing too. How the world elite keep the masses in check.


  5. William Skinner wrote,” if we refuse to rescue our youth from the path of drugs and crime, they would be no longer safe in their comfortable heights and terraces.”

    The have-nots will rob the haves.


  6. Yes it is Crusoe, yes it is a very malicious and deliberate act of sabotage by the minorities to destroy the most vulnerable in the bajan society and create many pockets of poverty and criminality…..

    ……it has happened in the US for decades, still is, has always been orchestrated and aimed/focused at black and hispanic communities, dont be surprised that some evil minorities has their minds set on getting a taxpayer funded contract and building another prison….they always find ways to rob the treasury and pension fund.

    ….if they cant get BWA for free with 60 million dollars of taxpayer’s money thrown in for free for free, they will collude together and come up with more evil to throw at the majority population…, and it will happen when they pay these useless governments enough bribes.

    It was wicked and deliberate and happened because black government ministers cannot say NO to bribes…., and will continue because they will have to expose themselves and each other just to clean it up….cause and effect.

    They always copy the negatives out of the US and act like positives do not exist….the 11 plus is not a necessity for any child anywhere, they are much better off without it…….in this age it does more harm than good….the less brainwash and miseducation, the better the population’s chances of breaking away from the evil being designed daily hy the parasites and aimed directly at them….the 11plus is destructive.

    “The other thing is, if a child is not academically gifted, then provide school alternatives of excellence such as electrics, carpentry, masonry, etc. And I mean excellence, not some ship shoddy class.

    The problem is not that the common entrance is elitist, it is that the secondary school system is mediocre.”

    And therein lies the biggest problems post 11 plus…, that is what is creating gangsvand boys on the blocks with nothing to do but rent guns imported by minorities.


  7. One of the evils of “arithmetic democracy” is that we have to put up with voters who cannot cut the mustard, cannot make the grade, and because they and their children are dunces, they want to abolish all academic standards.

    Without academic standards, we make it harder for gifted Barbadians to pass the exams and achieve the skill levels required of modern professionals — in law, medicine, engineering, accounting, finance, computer technology, etc. All modern professions require their members to have academic capacity: the ability to understand complex written materials. Dunces are not allowed.

    For the dunces, there are many paths to financial success in Barbados. There is no excuse for poverty in the young generation. If you are poor, it is probably your fault, and you should not complain. You can make it in professional sports, in music and entertainment, in the selling trades, in blue collar occupations, in customer service jobs.

    Long live the 11+ exams. Make them even harder.


  8. Dumb Chadster…ya obviously was not raised in the US, or Canada or you would know you do not have to take an 11 plus exam to benefit from being naturally and born gifted.

    No wonder ya so bewitch, ya lucky ya got out at all.


  9. How does a student gain entry to Brooklyn Tech or the Bronx High School of Science or any other specialised high school of New York City?


  10. Or Stuyvesant or any gifted school…through assessments and specialized testing, there are even programs at Ivy League universities for the gifted from 6 and 7th grade level, Princeton offers an SSAT…..

    as long as you are naturally born gifted…ya cant go wrong….and you certainly do not need an 11 plus exam.

    I know of no extraordinarily gifted child in North America who has ever had to do an 11 plus exam to excel or be propelled to top universities,….that includes mine.


  11. Silly WW&C

    Stop boasting about your children. I’m sure they’re just average.

    When I use the word “gifted”, I do not use it in the North American sense. North Americans use “gifted” to mean a person of unusual or extraordinary ability in academics or some other field, like music or dance.

    When I say “gifted”, I mean someone in a place like the Caribbean who has the ability and discipline to absorb and apply book knowledge. Someone who can pass high school and university exams if they try hard enough.

    Unfortunately, we have a lot of people who cannot learn by reading books. Those are the ones who always seem to have difficulties taking exams — any exams — and are always looking to dilute standards.


  12. Chadster…you obviously know nothing about the named gifted schools above which also includes Hunter or who are eligible to attend them…whose student are candidates for top univserities and top scholarships including to MIT…

    ……I know of one Bajan at MIT and it’s not you…most of the inventors and genuises from those gifted schools are the inventors whose inventions we use today…where is yours, a mediocre accountant, not even an actuary…does not count…

    Gifted in the US is not exclusive to dance and music…that’s how I know ya went up to the US as a big hard back black man begging for a work permit.

    ….my kids are in a dimension far removed from your twilight zone, so it’s useless telling you about their gifts and abilities…ya cant enter those heights.


  13. This is NOT one of the things that William understands well….
    Lotta shiite.

    Crusoe, on the other hand, gets it….

    “The problem is not that the common entrance is elitist, it is that the secondary school system is mediocre.” (Crusoe on BU @ 8:55AM)

    …but “mediocre” is being nice….


  14. @Ping Pong -at 12:22 PM …One can only presume yours is a rhetorical question…. cause the answer is right there on the web.

    But, beyond a search retort however, simply stated they get into those schools as any other student gets into ‘specialized institutions’of learning : they do well on an entrance test!

    They are very few top class learning facilities which aim to pursue rigorous teaching standards that can sustain an open entrance policy which does not have some ‘screening methodology’ to weed out low achievers… it’s just not feasible.


  15. You do not weed out those who work at their own pace…, you work with them…

    You however, identify the gifted independently, EARLIER …and separately from those….who need additional work and attention…..in so doing everyone has a fighting chance at ending up at MIT, Columbia etc….without having to take the same assessments or specialized testing as the gifted…….including those who initially needed to work at their own pace to achieve the same results later…


  16. There are even schools for the gifted that is not very public knowledge, entirely for the exceptional, however, they are taken from their parents at too young an age.


  17. @ Bush Tea September 15, 2017 at 1:39 PM #
    This is NOT one of the things that William understands well….
    Lotta shiite.

    Crusoe, on the other hand, gets it….

    “The problem is not that the common entrance is elitist, it is that the secondary school system is mediocre.” (Crusoe on BU @ 8:55AM)

    …but “mediocre” is being nice….

    If the secondary schools are mediocre, the question that must be asked is; Where do the mediocre students come from ?
    There are many misguided and ill-informed people who believe that continuous assessment will disadvantage the “bright” students. This is very distant from the truth and the results will be quite the opposite. Continuous assessment will identify BOTH groups at an earlier stage. Therefore gifted children can be placed in an accelerated program. For example , a student who can take and pass an Associates degree can actually do so before leaving high school.
    A child who displays tremendous talents in the arts; music acting etc can also be placed in a more progressive program. Children who are challenged can then be given the remedial help they need rather than be thrown into the river at age eleven.


  18. William Skinner September 15, 2017 at 3:34 PM
    said “If the secondary schools are mediocre, the question that must be asked is; Where do the mediocre students come from ?”

    A peculiar question… I would have asked where do the mediocre teachers come from? Why is the curriculum mediocre? Why is there mediocre parental support of the school system? Why is there such mediocre collaboration between the teachers’ union and the ministry? why is the Minister of Education so mediocre? Why is our early childhood education system mediocre? Why has our mediocre primary school education system failed these students?

    After all, would you go into a failing hospital and ask “where do these mediocre patients come from?”


  19. In my opinion, “continuous assessment” is an expensive alternative to periodic assessment, and is often unnecessary in Third World education programs that don’t have money to waste.

    Of course, feminists don’t like periodic assessment — especially the BIG EXAM — because boys do better than girls on big exams, while the opposite is true in continuous assessment systems.


  20. peterlawrencethompson September 15, 2017 at 3:59 PM #

    Quite.
    I did NOT say that the students are mediocre, I said that the system is mediocre.

    Listen, when most if not all students are doing lessons to get ones and twos to go further in their education, something is seriously wrong.

    When many students leave school without five CXC’s at even grade three, something is wrong.

    When there are teachers (there are good ones too, so do not take my comment as a generalization) who cannot teach a boy to ride a bicycle, far less csec or cape subjects, who the schools cannot get rid of, something is wrong. Yes, and those same teachers ‘stats’ likely do not look so bad because all of their students get lessons…because everyone knows that they are a waste.

    Only an idiot would think that the school system, supplemented as it is by lesson money spent hand over fist, does not need a serious look.

    As for the SBA’s, lol. Give me a break.


  21. I posit that teaching is one of the more important disciplines in any country and teachers should be well respected,well trained and appropriately remunerated given their importance in societal development.They should be provided with all the requisite material resources to enable them to discharge their duties without fear or favour.All this baloney I see on TV interviewing certain teachers and pupils who cannot speak coherently is all balls and political claptrap.That is not going to help Barbados,neither will the attitude of the minister and his henchwoman of hair rugs for wigs.All show and no substance.Pearls worn by swine don’t make for proper broughtupsy.


  22. Chadster…for the benefit of your narrow intellect…it’s not about who is doing better than whom, it’s identifying those who are capable of working independently, needing none to very little one and one attention, in Bim’s case, so that those who need individual attention can get it without having to compete with those who should have already moved on to another level of education, so that their minds do not become stagnant and restless…

    Besides, it will eventually cost the state much less, particularly in housing those who fall through the cracks into prison…..since no child would be allowed to fall through the cracks because they did not pass a useless, one off exam….and what do you care anyway, it’s not ya money, mind ya business.

    Besides, the specialized testing gifted kids get in the US…is not a one day, one off exam.

    Trust me, there are so many reasons for you to be jealous, but you will never know what those reasons are.


  23. @ peterlawrencethompson
    The current system has served its purpose; unfortunately by refusing to accept that our economy had changed and ignoring the glaring fact that it was becoming somewhat archaic or even irrelevant, has been our downfall.
    The immediate post-independence era needed; civil servants, police, teachers , clerks and empolyment opprtunities were bountiful. A child leaving primary school could easily be a “short pants’ clerk in Bridgetown. The education system of that period would have prepared him for the world of work. He would have mastered arithmetic , reading and comprehension skills etc.
    By 1970, a mere ten years after independence, our economy started to change. By the time the information highway was up and running, we were incapable of making the shift. In other words anybody leaving primary school at that time would have encountered great difficult because different skill sets were required.
    The old “board buses were not inferior or mediocre but they really have no place in providing public transportation in 2017; no different from the donkey cart !


  24. WW&C

    What people like you want to do is persuade teachers to neglect the brighter kids, ostensibly because they can work independently, and focus instead on the dunce kids, like yours, because they “need attention”.

    That is a waste of scarce teacher resources. Your dunce kids cannot learn much in a classroom because they are dunce. Focusing on them will only improve them a little, whereas focusing on the brighter kids will yield much better improvements in their performance. I do not believe that any child in a high school should spend much time on their own anyway, regardless of how bright they are. At that early age, ALL kids need to be supervised quite closely. They have so much to learn.


  25. Chadster….if you would stop trying to fool us with your nonexistent brilliance, you would not be finding it so hard to grasp the basic and elementary.

    naturally bright kids cannot be left behind, they are in a class all by themselves, ah guess ya never met any, those are the kids their teachers who know their potential, allows them to show the other kids how to reach their potential, those are the ones who move on to another level earlier, because they do not require the attention the others do….just say ya dont understand the concept.

    am through spoon feeding you…am sure the others understood the very first time, but 8 hours later, you are still struggling.


  26. PLT is asking the critical questions.
    Those students that end up at the best schools will be there no matter what assessment system you use. Those that dont get into the best but are very clever will find a way to perform relatively eg my cousin who went to Foundation still won a Bdos Schol, my friend who went to Foundation/ HC ended up with a Rhodes Schol.

    The concept of placing the really clever in with average pupils or dummies is nonsense. The gent with the highest IQ ever measured in the USA barely finished HS due to a total lack of interest ie bored excrementaly with teachers and fellow students.

    PLT won a good Schol as did others in his year @HC 1974/75, part of the reason was that there were many challengers for the top spot in exams and when the competition is hot you are inclined to produce your best, assuming you are serious. Why do you think that there are State schools for the Gifted in the US? My nephew was recruited in NC as he was identified as a genius who eventually was accepted to do an MBA/ JD together.

    Change is required in Bim’s system for sure but we need to be wary of pitfalls.


  27. In North America, claiming to be bored in high school is a pose that many kids adopt to show off how bright they want everyone to think they are.

    When you look closely at their work you usually find huge gaps in their knowledge because they were pretending to be so smart.

    There are very few geniuses around. Even many Nobel Prize winners were hard working plodders or impulsive nerds who just got lucky in their work and stumbled upon an important finding.


  28. What is an education system supposed to deliver?
    Is the current system providing these deliverables ?
    Have there been changes in the education system since 1962 when the common entrance exam was first introduced?
    Will those who claim that the current system has failed to produce what it set out to produce show the quantitative evidence?


  29. So what’s the solution LW? Typical of here, always ready to tear down but offers no solutions. How is it elitist when children of varying socio-economic backgrounds can get to the ‘top’ schools once they apply themselves. The top achievers should not be punished for their efforts. I propose a continuous assessment maybe starting from class 3, where a portion of that assessment combined with the 11-plus will go towards your final grade to determine what school you should go to. Like 40 % assessment, 60% common entrance.


  30. Chad 99999 at 8 :21 P M

    Your interventions on this topic are useful and insightful. My reading of geniuses biographies support your submission that they had to work very hard. Somewhat like the pressure you get on BU. You are on the right track.


  31. Kevin at 8 : 37 Pm

    You were doing well until you conceded to this 40% assessment contrivance. The The SSEE is an assessment exam. It measures the academic achievement of the child.
    Continuous assessment schemes create a moral hazard. At present under the CXC there is a view that much of what is submitted is not the sole work of the students. The continuous assessment scheme is being discontinued in the UK precisely because of the moral hazard it presents.


  32. @Bernard, well with assessments, it could be like in-school test or sba-like projects. Just an idea. One of the biggest problem is that currently under the common entrance, a child fate is determined by two big exams at one sitting – Maths & English.


  33. In NJ we had this test NJ ASK which student start to take annually from around 3rd to 8th Grade. One kid was doing so well in these tests, that he was being invited to top universities (just to visit) and was hearing about scholarships from around 8th grade.


  34. @ Kevin at 9 :48 PM

    The child’s fate is never determined by the common entrance exam. Look around you and you will see numerous instances where persons who passed for the less preferred schools excelled in their careers. They are also many instances of early high achievers who went on to reap modest achievements in their lives. We owe it to our charges to encourage them to aim high and do not let one “failure”determine their future nor define who they are.


  35. Chad0000009

    Or is it Professor Chad00009. You are a real shite for real. Provide proof of the expenses associated with a continuous system, which is based simply on two or three reports generated during a term, according to some systems in Europe. That system highlights progress without a scores criteria. The reason there are no scores is that the system in individual European countries seeks to eliminate competition and comparison. It is similar to the same damn report cards that the student brings home at the end of every term, but without marks, averages and position in the class. Conduct, deportment, creativity, and participation are all part of the assessment, and though the students are subjected to tests and exams, there are not shown scores. At each evaluation, there is a parents’ meeting to discuss progressions and concerns. This is done mainly on Saturdays so that both parents can attend and not one. When it comes time to go to one of three schools in this system, low, middle or high, the teachers’ continuous assessment over the years is given a final report with recommendations. The student whose assessment is outstanding goes to high. If he or she struggles at that level, they can go to the middle or low. A student whose assessment indicates that they are suited for low, and goes to low, can easily be transferred to middle or high as they progress increases and the work at low is too low for their ability. The school system has an interchangeable programme between schools and works brilliantly. Let me also say that the curriculum at each of these school levels is basically the same, but at low, the workload is reduced. The system that generates the progress reports are not expensive. The expense comes from support staff systems set up to help a trouble or problematic child. That involves another school for children with problems, which parents have to pay for.


  36. Despite the economic depression, the high taxes, etc “What appears to be a growing demand for private schooling has seen several new schools established to meet that need over the past decade.” http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/100546/private-schools-soar

    When the 11+ is abolished, does anyone think that the materially less well off will be better served?

    As is now occurring in health care, similar trends of privatisation in schooling will happen. This will be to the detriment of the society as a whole. The minority with the financial means will enjoy better health care and schooling while the majority will suffer from worse health care and schooling.

    This is so ironic and sad given the early promising achievements of independent Barbados. Over to you Bush Tea!


  37. SSS…..Chadster is challenged, extremely….he really never met any bright people and was never exposed to the world of real education or the really educated, all the schools I know have an honor roll system, each class may have 5 or maybe up to 10 students on an honor roll….out of that 10, one or maybe 2 qualifies for being gifted or exceptionally gifted…these students are removed because they do not need to be subjected to curriculum they have already mastered…and so that those who remain can work at their own pace and those who need additional attention to move forward also get that attention.

    It’s not about competing and arguing who is brighter than whom, because most of the ones in Bim end up working in the drug dealer’s stores in Swan Street and Broad Street or for minorities who import the most drugs and guns in the island anyway and for barely liveable wages…..and most of them passed the common entrance, cxc and graduated high school…but they end up mediocre anyway.

    It would be insulting to have 8 or 10 Cape subjects and end up working for the likes of Cow, Bizzy, Maloney, Berkjham etc, even worse if ya got the scholarship/exhibition and end up in one of their pits, you would be lowering your own intellect and potential….as well as your value in the worldwide job market.

    …..so the ministry of education may as well take the time and get the education system right from the primary level to avoid those youngsters with potential from being stuck in low paying menial jobs, or falling through the cracks in a mediocre education system, when they are more than likely creatives, geniuses and inventors who just need to be identified. …

    ,..,,intelligent societies identify the SKILLS their student possess, from an early age….so that they can be molded to success.

    But there are those who are stuck in the 50 year old brainwash mode of creating a few who may be bright but burn out in the horse race they got for an education system…only to fade away without reaching full potential….while the others who managed to hold on, have to run outside looking for opportunities…therefore what remains will always fall through the cracks and will always be viewed as a failures.

    The idea of education is to identify those with skills, potential, brilliance…and not only the ones who can regurgitate in one day test…it’s a useless concept…

    ……if ya walk through Bridgetown ya can see many of them hanging around with nothing to do…stagnant…or have to accept 7.00 an hour jobs $3.50 US or $3.25 US.


  38. Ping Pong hits the nail on the head.

    The 11+ exam solves a problem of social and economic discrimination … and it has done it in an outstanding way in Barbados.
    It bothers the rich that they cannot just BUY the best opportunities for their children
    It bothers the dunces that the system ‘classifies’ them at age 11
    …and it seems to bother the poor because they allow themselves to be led easily.

    The 11+ is not perfect.

    The rich still seek to cheat ..by funding ‘cramming lessons’ for their spoiled children in order to have advantages over those who are unable to afford such advantages.

    Teachers see it as a way to make extra money – often underperforming in the classroom – to make their ‘private lessons’ essentially mandatory.

    Chad and Money B make some good points about the need to FOCUS TALENTS. Only an idiot sees benefits of mixing apples and oranges in a teaching environment. Good apples NEVER heal bad ones when mixed.

    The solution?
    Let us have MORE ’11+ like’ deciding exams….
    Exam at 11+ to move from primary to secondary.
    Exam at 13+ to be re-allocated at secondary based on performance
    Exam at 15+ to be re-allocated at secondary based on performance
    Exam at 16+ to be channelled into a further education program – or a career program

    This is what ‘continuous assessment’ should look like.

    A child who is a late starter can transfer to the most suitable top school at 13 or 15 – as the situation dictates.
    EVERYONE is forced to continue to focus on excellence throughout school life.
    Doing well at 11+ because you are primed and crammed, is then of no benefit – since at 13+ your little donkey will be re-allocated, unless you can keep up…

    Such continuous assessments can also be used to identify NON-ACADEMIC talents and skills to between focused and built on.. by an enlightened system.

    This is really quite a simple matter.
    BUT…
    Like the NCDs such as diabetes and high blood pressure, it required us to rise ABOVE basic brass bowlery and to execute the steps needed to dispose of these ‘problems’.

    @ William
    Good points at 4:59PM … but flawed…because you first need to address the PURPOSE of ‘Education’, and thus exactly what we mean by the term.

    Is it REALLY just to produce pegs to fit into society’s round and square holes?
    …or is education something MUCH, MUCH more than that?


  39. Ping Pong September 16, 2017 at 2:20 AM #

    Agree fully. The privatization will begin moreso at the CAPE level, where the options are limited. Lack of enough spaces for quality teaching.

    The private schools will afford the best teachers, hand plucked from the main secondary school.

    Then, because UWI fees have increased, people will spend on new private schools that offer such as the international baccalaureate program or a degree with a link to an international university.

    You will see a contraction of the UWI.


  40. The REAL problem with our Eddykashun system comes from monkeys we have playing with gun at the MoE. Not a single person in or around that ministry has demonstrated the ability to think strategically in the last 30 years.

    The SINGLE BEST thing that could be done for EDUCATION in Barbados would be to close that shiite ministry, and keep one receptionist on staff for an additional year – to answer the phone and direct callers to the appropriate school Principal.

    Take the matter of the proliferation of ‘Sixth Form Schools’….
    What is the strategic objective? … to compete with BCC? …to create more high paying posts?
    …or it it just to reward mediocrity – as is our wont?

    Any such change SHOULD have been aimed at BROADENING the range of options available to talented students – BASED ON THEIR IDENTIFIED ABILITIES…. instead, it looks like a ploy to water-down the perception of ‘reaching sixth form’…. like the bright boys such as Ping Pong and PLT.

    If every Tom, Dick and Vincent can now routinely reach ‘sixth form’ … why would a Ping Pong bother to reach deeply into his intellectual potentialities to do the best that he can…?

    Rewards, praise and acclamations are GREAT …. when associated with TRUE effort and full exercise of potential…..
    Good thing no cheap …or easy.
    Easy thing no good … or cheap.


  41. Bush Tea

    The first time I ever read so much bup writing from you, pertaining to your contribution at 6:00pm. Ping Pong indeed has a point, but chad is a shite.


  42. Bush Tea showing off how bright he is again. There is no surprise he wants to hide and fire his intellectual shots just in case his gun is mis-firing.


  43. @ Crusoe September 16, 2017 at 6:19 AM
    “Then, because UWI fees have increased, people will spend on new private schools that offer such as the international baccalaureate program or a degree with a link to an international university.
    You will see a contraction of the UWI.”

    That has been on the cards for sometime. Without the Faculty of Law at Cave Hill that Campus would have been closed by now.

    So why is the region producing so many lawyers in excess to requirements making the adage of ‘too many cooks spoil the broth’ most apt for what passes for judicial system in Barbados.
    There is far too much duplication in the offerings in training especially at the tertiary level for such a small country as Barbados.

    Just look at the dismal state (socially, economically and environmentally) Barbados now finds itself and ask if the UWI has produced the quality graduates needed for further development as a nation state.

    Even that joker now pretending to be follower of Saul on the road to Damascus Dr. Deliar Worthless has seen the darkness of the blinding effects of economic stagnation caused primarily by the piss-poor level of productivity on the island especially in the comatose public sector being administered by an overabundance of UWI intellectual abortions.

    A university education and degree is not a passport to a secured monthly salary as it is currently viewed by the majority of senior public sector workers but a golden opportunity to create a mirror image for self-improvement in order to contribute to national service and development.

    BTW, whatever has become of the plan to restructure and merge most of those tertiary institutions into a more appropriate University College of Barbados based on modern teaching and learning methodologies and technologies?


  44. @ Miller
    BTW, whatever has become of the plan to restructure and merge most of those tertiary institutions into a more appropriate University College of Barbados based on modern teaching and learning methodologies and technologies?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    …never happen.
    How does that create more jobs for lackies and yardfowls?
    That may lead to high standards being set (and fewer graduates per household)
    The Union wants more established positions … not less. Only one principal would be needed for example…

    Do you need more reasons…?

    @ SSS
    Bush Tea…
    The first time I ever read so much (p)up writing from you,
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Stop lying… 🙂

    Surely you have read more pup from Bushie in the past…
    There are MANY, MANY other things that the Bushman have said …that are way above your understanding…. no fault of yours…

    So why not be specific….?


    • Bim use to have one of the best education system on Earth. It has been mismanaged with far too much in fighting between the Govt, Teachers Unions et al. Couple years ago I was sitting with some prominent Toronto based Trinis and asked whether teachers in TT played the “Lessons” game. They categorically denied that that was happening in TT. What I did not have the chance to ask is how well teachers were paid.

      Everything about life in Bim seems to be about division rather than unison and then multiplication. This must change immediately we require a Revolution of thoughts and leadership as Bim is FAILING relative to where we should be in 2017 in most sectors–Education is critically important but does not just refer to Uni. In Ontario, we have the highest % of Uni grads, at least 25% were never prepared for Uni or capable of benefiting the country or themselves as a result, Bim should not be going down a similar path, we just dont have massive $$$$$ to waste like a very resource rich country like Canada.

      We must insist on channeling students to where the nation’s needs are eg we dont need 5,000 Sociologists and 10 Accountants—-many more Accountants must be produced. My nephew who was somewhat gifted in Math dropped out of Uni to become an Electrician, which pays very well. In Ontario there is a shortage of Trades people and these careers are much more lucrative than having some useless degree.


  45. Be careful now, Tea Bush, you may think you are all of that, particularly since your head might be swollen from a few praises re your ability to expound and articulate; but there is nothing you write on here that is beyond anyone’s comprehension, well accept the occasional bup commentary with your brass bowl philosophy. Should we engage in a little bassa bassa on this subject of education? I ain’t fight with no one recently and you would be a nice opponent to get me out of my boring slumber over BU.


  46. @ SSS
    Nothing Bushie likes more than a fight…. especially a scrappy one with a vivacious wild thing up in the northern cold – just waiting to be tamed….. and intelligent too boot…

    So…Bushie said…
    The 11+ serves to create a situation where allocation to PREFERRED schools (for whatever reason) is done by academic merit – rather than by who knows the minister, or can pass some ‘grantley’s to a functionary with the ‘ability to skip something through…’

    Is this part of the ‘pup’ that you are smelling from the whacker…?

    ….or are you smelling the suggestion that what we need are MORE OBJECTIVE tests to make determinations in the direction of our youth….?

    Why not have COUNTRY-WIDE examinations every July …and use those results to allow students to have the choice of which school they attend the following year…?

    Why should student A be going to some mock school where nothing is taught …and then some easy shiite exam is given to allow him to score 89%
    …while a bright fella at school B is presented with an exam like granite – and only manages 48% and have to repeat that year at school B?

    ….WHY?

    Where is the pup?


  47. ” In Ontario there is a shortage of Trades people and these careers are much more lucrative than having some useless degree.”

    That’s the future right therem trade schools are springing up all over the US…most degrees will become obsolete withinn 20 years, unless they are specialty degrees, trade schools are the future, not the paper mills for universities.

    Many who graduate from top universities usually have to return to school to get certified in something that an employer is actually willing to pay for or is willing to train them for positions which has nothing to do with the degree.


  48. @ Bush Tea
    “Take the matter of the proliferation of ‘Sixth Form Schools’….
    What is the strategic objective? … to compete with BCC? …to create more high paying posts?
    …or it it just to reward mediocrity – as is our wont?Any such change SHOULD have been aimed at BROADENING the range of options available to talented students – BASED ON THEIR IDENTIFIED ABILITIES…. instead, it looks like a ploy to water-down the perception of ‘reaching sixth form’…. like the bright boys such as Ping Pong and PLT.”

    Totally agree with you on this point. Jones and company have betrayed all that we believed in as “Comrades” in the 70’s. They are all running with the hare and hunting with the hound. The Community College should have never become a sixth form institution. There is no need for more sixth forms. By now we should have established six polytechnics and at least a dozen or more Business and modern information(IT) colleges
    When i read of political operatives who now infest the Ministry of Education, at the highest levels,jumping up and down about who get the most ‘ILAND SCOLARSHIPS’ I am appalled at their hypocrisy !!!!!

    By now all primary schools should have been managed on a cooperative model. They should have craft fairs, vegetable gardens; students should be soliciting and coming up with ideas to earn income to operate their individual classes and the entire school. Students should be creating wealth to buy their own computers etc.


  49. Having thought it over, I really gotta take issue with MoneyB and this overblown fairytale about Barbados years ago having the best education in the world…..the island NEVER had the best education, if you want to be truthful, it should be called the BEST MISEDUCATION ever created in the world to eliminate the history of the majority population. …..in order to maintain a modern day slave society for the last 50 years and beyond…, because that is what ya got.

    When a majority people can believe to this day that they are dependent on a minority population, most of whom whom are not only less educated than them, but use criminal tactics to steal on a decade by decade basis from the majority, that is not the best educated population, that is miseducation in its most vile form….

    Just keep telling bajans they got the best education in the world and they will never look beyond those deceitful and false words to find the truth.


  50. When a majority people can believe to this day that they are and have to be dependent on a minority population, FOR THEIR SURVIVAL….most of whom are not only less educated than them, but use criminal tactics to steal on a decade by decade basis from the majority, that is not the best educated population, that is MISEDUCATION in its most vile form….


  51. @ WW&C
    Everything is relative.
    Money B has a good point.

    You must recognise that black Barbados made a GIANT leap from an uneducated slave society to a society where about 20% of the black population jumped to world class academic and social levels …all within a single generation between about 1950 and 1970.

    It was indeed phenomenal.
    It was achieved with the help of some high-quality ex-pats teachers and administrators who generally did outstanding service and whose names remain legends as we speak… The headmasters of the top schools for example …as well as many of the specialist teachers…

    The brassbowlery came afterwards …when the products of this phenomena largely emigrated, and the process was taken over by second-rate riff raff who – like Jones, Peter Pollster, Froon, Stinkliar, Lowe, Kellman etc, basically failed the 11+, but found their way to US degree-mill universities …or at UWI studying shiite subjects like ‘economics’ and ‘Law’ …and then came and f***-up the system with their incompetence.

    Today, while spending a fortune on eddykashun, they still achieve the SAME 20% success rate from our education system, while others elsewhere have been able to do better with less.


  52. Wait!!!
    What happened SSS?
    Bushie stripped off all his clothes, brushed his teeth and gargled with mouthwash in preparation for this no-holds-barred, ding-dong, “to-the-finish” battle with you ….and you gone sleep…?
    What sorta woman are you?
    Looka!!!!


  53. “You must recognise that black Barbados made a GIANT leap from an uneducated slave society to a society where about 20% of the black population jumped to world class academic and social levels …all within a single generation between about 1950 and 1970.”

    Slaves were viewed as uneducated by british standards, it would have been better back then for leaders in the black community to create their own education curriculum for their people, devoid of british interference and influence , but i get it was definitely not the right conditions back then because of the control systems still in place in that era post slavery…

    …..and since the british form of education was geared toward maintaining a tainted british system…….ah do believe that most of the majority population are even more uneducated today, which was definitely the intent and by design.

    …… it is also worth pointing out that the majority population are more or less….right back where they started….as pointed out by all the wonderful points you made…….. despite all that edukashun.

    To conjure up GPs words. ….”ah lie”.

    The intent of my observation is to eliminate any first reaction of denial.


  54. @ Bush Tea

    Sorry hon, had me a bit of partying last night and now waking up to new news of today. So where are we, ahh yes. Your point.

    ”The 11+ serves to create a situation where allocation to PREFERRED schools (for whatever reason) is done by academic merit – rather than by who knows the minister, or can pass some ‘grantley’s to a functionary with the ‘ability to skip something through…’

    Is this part of the ‘pup’ that you are smelling from the whacker…?”

    Nope, this not part of the whacker bup. The truth of the matter is, the 11+ is not the big problem but the allocation of students to the notion that good marks get you into a deemed better school and poor scores into a not so good school, is. It is this stratifying construct that continues to permeate the Barbadian society and for which the noose of social divide ( at both the black, white and other colour levels) remains. It is one of the reasons why the great divide, socially, financially, and the sub-par state of mind, remains constant.

    The bup that I am drawing reference to are:

    ””””’Why not have COUNTRY-WIDE examinations every July …and use those results to allow students to have the choice of which school they attend the following year…?””””

    I mean really, Bush Tea? If you read my contribution; Sunshine Sunny Shine September 16, 2017, at 1:35 AM # in response to chad0009, I think a better system can be had if we look towards a continuous evaluation system that does not place the emphasis strictly on an exam as a suitable guage. But a series of test and exam scores over a prescribed period for better determination. Hence, this is where I will part ways with the 11+ for a series of reviews (test and oral reviews) over a term’s work. One exam as you rightfully pointed out, should not be the yardstick because it is too subjective and bias in nature.

    ”””””””””Why should student A be going to some mock school where nothing is taught …and then some easy shiite exam is given to allow him to score 89%
    …while a bright fella at school B is presented with an exam like granite – and only manages 48% and have to repeat that year at school B?”””””””””””’

    None of the schools should warrant the title good or bad, mock or real, shitety or not so shitety, but the ministry of education has seen it fit to continue with this shite. This is the failure of our educational system under this false demarcation or classification scheme of separating the wheat from the chaff, the not so good from the very good. Until the schools reclassify the curriculum to be the same in all schools but reduced work lows in some to accomodate the not so fast to grasp students, the shite that we do in Barbados will only continue. Currently, we are missing the mark, and it is resulting in those students who do very well at the so-called mock and poor rakey schools to be left out because those poor rakey schools have a different curriculum set for the so-called weak student. An interchangeable programme between schools is the way to go, and the stupid ass names associated with the schools want removing and replaced with suitable names that remove the stigmas that are mostly negative.


  55. ” and the stupid ass names associated with the schools want removing and replaced with suitable names that remove the stigmas that are mostly negative.”

    Which will also remove said stigma and stains of the vile history and crimes perpetrated against the majority population associated with the older schools which were built by slaves in the 18th century …..

    ………all of that information should then be placed in history books to be taught from the primary level…..to avoid any repeat.


  56. WWC

    You know this thing, yeah. These shites are so obsessed with statuses and titles, divisions, and separations, distinctions and distinguishment that none of it has brought Barbados any closer to equality in rights and the distribution of wealth. The government continue to waste millions in non-productive infrastructures, such as building buildings and hotels, and thinking that they can be no investment outside of tourism that would bring us positive gains. So no diversification, no significant change, no forward thinking. Just talk, talk, talk.


  57. As was intended by design SSS…as was intended.

    The weaknesses in the black mind were well researched and studied to perfection for centuries……and still is.

    And of course with black bajans being the most easily accessible, convenient and pliable lab rats, it’s a cakewalk….evil in intent but very brilliant and genius in design…and can only be dismantled by intelligent black mind, but who are deliberately chased off the island, once they are identified.


    • Chad wrote There are very few geniuses around. Even many Nobel Prize winners were hard working plodders or impulsive nerds who just got lucky in their work and stumbled upon an important finding.

      Success occurs at the intersection of Inspiration, Perspiration, Education and dogged Determination. Yes, many scientific discoveries have occurred on the 9,875th +++ try, just review Thomas Alva Edison’s career.


  58. @ SSS & WW&C
    Ladies…. No matter what name wunna give to a school, in the final analysis, it will acquire a REPUTATION based on the Principal, staff, the students assigned there, and the ancillary staff.

    Princess Margaret School in no inferior name to Queens College. How is Combermere any better a name than Deighton Griffith or Daryl Jordan?
    The REALITY is that whenever you have multiple choices, there will be personal preferences, classifications and comparisons.

    There are a lotta women who passed through BU … probably all of them women of quality (except of course for AC…) …But in Bushie’s humble opinion, none can touch the IslandGal.. 🙂
    Who wields a better 2X4 than she…?

    Since INDIVIDUALS will have different preferences, a system must be implemented that PREVENTS those with the most resources from BUYING the top choices.

    …otherwise Bushie would have outbid ‘IslandGuy’ long ago…. and been enjoying those “11+ exams” of Islandgal all like now so…. whaloss!!!

    …so come with another point.

    As to the ‘continuous oral and other tests’ (done by biased teachers), ….that is the worse possible option…
    Bushie had some teachers that hated his donkey …cause he ALWAYS had too much chat…
    In THEIR opinions, the bushman was a trouble tree and a dead beat ….
    That was …UNTIL Bushie mashed up EVERY exam that was presented to him…. ALL!!

    Teachers (especially WOMEN teachers) love lackies and despise loud-mouth ‘know-it-alls’ who like to challenge and disrupt the status quo….

    Impartial, standardised, universal, well constructed EXAMS…..
    Nothing beats it…


  59. Bush Tea September 17, 2017 at 9:58 AM #
    @ SSS & WW&C
    …Impartial, standardised, universal, well constructed EXAMS…..
    Nothing beats it…

    Agree, anyone who denies that many (not all) teachers are biased, is an idiot. As long as there is human interaction of any length, there will be bias.


  60. Skins,
    You are exactly on point regarding diversifying the Ed system.
    Bim has produced some excellent Math Maniacs and UWI should have a top notch Computer and IT Faculty since it should be obvious that these types are in high demand globally.

    In NthAm there are at least 1.25 MN jobs that cant be filled because of the wrong emphasis in the Ed system. Saw a medium size business in manufacturing could not find 25 people to run computerised equipment. Eventually the owner had to convince the local Community College to design a course for such IT needs and they required 3 times the number of students to start the program as the company actually wanted, as they were so poor in Math.

    Intelligent Leaders would have seen this obvious trend and encouraged students in this direction, provided the necessary teachers, promoted Bim as a hot spot for IT employees etc. It is very disappointing that so called “leaders” have not got a clue.


  61. …Princess Margaret School in no inferior name to Queens College. How is Combermere any better a name than Deighton Griffith or Daryl Jordan?…

    Bushman…as you realized much too late, that was exactly mine and SSSs point., but better late than never.

    in 2010 it was brought to Jackass Jones attention, that the future lies in advanced areas of Math which leads to coding and other areas of much sought after IT skills…..

    some i know works for 3 or 4 different countries, simultaneously and remotely…

    the island is missing out on hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign exchange because of an idiot for an education minister.


    • WW,
      Bim had world class schools and to some degree still does in some areas. Mediocre gents that went to HC easily got in to Medical schools, Sciences, Engineering etc in the USA! When taking Chem at A level I used a College Chem US book because it was colorful ie we were far ahead academically.

      The problem today is very poor teaching, the purposeful destruction of some top flight schools eg The Lodge School (probably because it was the former school of the Plantocracy, which had long since changed with the system to be totally unbiased with regards to low income students).

      When my niece and nephew went there in the early 2000 there were “teachers” not teaching pre lunch class because they had to fry Fishcakes for sale to students! My nephew left in 5th form to study in Canada and on return at Christmas saw his Physics teacher who asked him whether he had passed the CXC in Phys, surely a caring teacher would know?—my nephew scored Grade 1, but this teacher would not know since he was useless my nephew never did his work but went for lessons elsewhere. This attitude says it all! Pay Teachers well but Demand performance as they hold the FUTURE in their class rooms!

      The entire system must be reset just as evating in Bim—REVOLUTION of thought and focused professional planning that understands the connection to growth and progress for BIM.


  62. and the beauty about it, Jones cant say he did not know cause one or two exhibition/scholarship winners from that year had it as their main choices of course of studies at top universities in North America, one relative has 5 countries under lock, because of those skills and 7 years of experience….the opportunities are mind boggling.

    the government ministers on the island are blinded by any future progress because of narrow minds and their extracurricular corrupt dealings.


  63. @ Money Brain
    We refused to reform because we rested on our laurels and have moved on to fancy graduations where poor parents, no doubt under tremendous pressure from their children , have to fork out anyway from $300 to $1000 to outfit them. We have primary school children owning expensive cell phones; preferring to pay private transport rather than ride free on gov’t units.
    The value system has dramatically changed while our children endorse the street culture of the worst North American cities. All of these negatives are reflective of an education system that concentrates more on style than substance. The teachers are caught in this vicious transformation of the society.
    Most of the so-called national and respected commentators are aiming at reform via secondary and tertiary plants when in fact the aim should be a radical reform of the primary school.
    We are successfully taking in sponges and turning them into cement blocks , then unleashing them on a society that is virtually asleep and that believes we will wake up one morning and the entire world will change to accommodate us.


  64. MoneyB….amazingly…ALL the schools up to 2010, when i last checked, ARE black majority schools with majority black principals and teachers, even the 18th century schools built for plantocracy, even the Ursulines….with the exception of St. Winifred`s back then and i cant swear that has not changed now.

    so the problems re level of standard re high level education can be attributed to ministry of education mismanagement and lack of intelligence….and mismanagement on the part of many school administrators…the problems lie within them.

    though many teachers are parasites on the school system, up to recently there still exist teachers who would not take a dime to give their class students, well needed addition all lessons.

    this is the cause of all the problems in black countries, small minded, narrow mindedness and corruption…across the board…when leaders are focused on self serving corruption only, whole countries are neglected, particularly vulnerable up and coming generations.

    when you allow evil, greedy corrupt people to wield undue influence in your country and distract you from your job, ya get the cockiup that is now Barbados….parallels with Zuma of South Africa.

    http://bit.ly/2y6MIHy

    …South Africa’s President Jacob Zuma has been accused of allowing members of the Indian-born Gupta family to wield undue influence, with a deputy finance minister saying he was offered the job of finance minister by one of them. Who are the Guptas and how close are their links to President Zuma?

    Brothers Ajay, Atul and Rajesh (also known as Tony) Gupta, all in their 40s, relocated to South Africa from India’s northern state of Uttar Pradesh in Saharanpur in 1993, just as white minority rule was ending and the country was opening up to the rest of the world.

    Family spokesman Haranath Ghosh told the BBC by email that their father, Shiv Kumar Gupta sent Atul to South Africa, believing that Africa was about to become the “America of the world” – the world’s land of opportunity.
    It is said that when Atul arrived in what was then Africa’s largest economy and he set up the family business Sahara Computers, he was amazed at the lack of red tape compared to India….

    http://bit.ly/2x6yUjj

    KPMG got caught up..

    But KPMG said work done for the Guptas, who have close links to President Jacob Zuma, “fell short of our standards”.

    Who are the Guptas?
    Zuma and the Guptas

    The new chief executive of KPMG’s South African arm, Nhlamu Dlomu, said: “This has been a painful period and the firm has fallen short of the standards we set for ourselves and that the public rightly expects from us.”
    She said: “I want to apologise to the public, our people and clients for the failings that have been identified by the investigation.”

    The accountancy and audit firm will also donate the 40m rand (£2.2m) it earned in fees from Gupta-controlled firms to charity and refund 23m rand it earned compiling a controversial report for the South African tax agency.
    KPMG is the third major firm to become embroiled in controversy from dealing with the Gupta family’s group of businesses, after London-based public relations firm Bell Pottinger fell into administration this week. Bell Pottinger’s downfall followed a damning report into its work for the Guptas which led to other companies deserting it.

    Pressure is also mounting on US consultancy McKinsey over its dealings with the Gupta family businesses.

    Brothers Ajay, Atul and Rajesh Gupta have interests in computer, mining, media, travel, energy and technology and employ around 10,000 people through their company Sahara Group.

    The Guptas have been accused in the past of wielding influence in South African politics under President Jacob Zuma’s administration.


  65. Money Brain, September 17, 2017 at 11:28 AM #

    As you say, teaching nowadays, barring a select few, is a joke.

    ALL of those who appear each year as scholarships attend lessons by the best.

    That is the reality. Why should that be necessary?


  66. I would like the know the number of grade ones earned by Barbadian students this year in CSEC Maths (which is an exam barely above common entrance) and the schools from which these students come.

    However such information is a state secret.


  67. when you court corruption as a government , ya end up with Gupta like mafioso…and an unbalanced, irreparably damaged and neglected country.

    its like if the black government learned nothing from apartheid under racist boer whites, the decades of imprisonment and struggles of Mandela and others so these modern day, so these riffraff negroes can own and control their own country without boer whites stealing everything and shipping the money out of SA, killing and brutalizing the now 45 million majority…its like it never happened in their narrow corrupt minds….now millions of SA black people and their children are being neglected..

    not unlike the starve out, hungry ass crooks who wield undue influence on the island, one talking and boasting about he is Mia`s advisor and he can get people jobs when she is elected, the other sitting his bloated, fat fruzy ass in the central bank being destructive, under the current government, allowed to by corrupt government officials….while the schools, the majority population and the whole island are neglected….trifling ass negroes.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/05/12/bullying-guptas-wanted-diplomatic-passports1

    The Guptas courted his predecessor’s administration as well but ex-President Thabo Mbeki played a guarded game with the Guptas and the relationship did not go far.

    And former DA leader Helen Zille has also enjoyed a “delicious” meal at the Guptas’ compound and received a donation for the party.
    The Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) party has called the family to leave South Africa, saying the country could not be held to ransom by a “corrupt cartel” with “mafia” tendencies.

    But there are deep divisions within the government over the family’s role and it is one of the reasons behind increasing calls for Mr Zuma to step down.
    Amid the outcry, major banks said they would stop doing business with the Guptas.

    The Gupta’s critics suspect that they want Mr Gordhan ousted so that they can extend their influence to the ministry that controls the money.


  68. @ Bush Tea

    You sure you understand what I wrote. Cuz em is looking like you more about comparisons than comprehension. Looka skippa, to use one of your familiar phrases, the problem of teacher bias, poor teaching skills, doan-carish attitudes has already been grilled. The issue of the ministry of education stuck in dumb dumb mode has already been fried. The repeat call for the 11+ to be reformed has been raised too many times now that is becoming an annoying recourse of a repeated mantra. You are so busy looking at the plasters that you are missing the sores. Barbados number one and most fundamental problem is mediocre approaches and the second is working with standards that are most subject to mediocracy. Shite, if Barbados use to work within stipulated rules followed by a system of continuous productivity assessment (where ya ass get fired for presenting something less desirable) they would be no favouritism for one head teacher or particular school for that matter. All schools would be faced with this shite about the best are placed there, and the less is placed here. You talk as if there are no controls to deal with human tendencies as well as unfair and unfavourable practices. Barbados just likes to act posh, but hardly have any posh showings to prove the inner workings of system operating from right concepts. As to the school names, you obviously missed that point as WWC has pointed out to you. The name does not make the school, yes. That is why there is no need to have a name because through an interchangeable school system that caters to what the student produces, eliminates the shite competition and stigmas.


  69. @ WW&C
    when you court corruption as a government , ya end up with Gupta like mafioso..
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    True dat…!!
    “But day can only run until night catches it…”
    ….or as one of Bushie’s favourite scriptures says :

    Do not fret because of evildoers,
    nor be jealous of those who do injustice.
    For they will quickly wither like the grass,
    and fade like the green herbs.
    Trust in the Lord, and do good;
    dwell in the land, and practice faithfulness.
    Delight yourself in the Lord,
    and He will give you the desires of your heart.
    Commit your way to the Lord;
    trust also in Him, and He will bring it to pass.
    He will bring forth your righteousness as the light,
    and your judgment as the noonday.

    Sweet as shiite boss!!! ….ent it??!!
    …and true as John 3:16

    Why wunna feel Bushie suh rich???
    …..>
    Trust in the Lord, and do good;
    dwell in the land, and practice faithfulness.
    Delight yourself in the Lord,
    and He will give you the desires of your heart.

    Shugga!!!


  70. Lol….and all their asses are now being exposed world wide for their neglect of people and country Bushman, both there and there…as it should.


  71. We just need the bajan population to fight back like the South African people are fighting against their corrupt black government….


  72. @ SSS
    Girl , …you like Poonka – all over the place.

    You are attempting to deal with one of the most complex challenges that exists anywhere…. that of changing culture….
    One either needs to be among a very select group of brainiacs to REALLY understand how to deal with such challenges … or have a whacker of the Bushie type.

    Which comes first? … the problem of teacher bias, poor teaching skills, doan-carish attitudes… or approaches such as an 11+ exam versus continuous assessment?

    …and Bushie is not saying that “there are no controls to deal with human tendencies as well as unfair and unfavourable practices” PRECISELY because the most effective control is to have a SYSTEM that provides that control….. NAMELY, …an independent, standardised, impartial, universal EXAM.

    Continuous assessment, on the OTHER hand, ENCOURAGES teacher bias, poor teaching skills, doan-carish attitudes… and cheating…. while its only real benefit is that it facilitates those who do not respond well to ‘big day nerves’

    …. as if THAT is not an impediment…!!!

    Extrapolated appropriately, this would suggest that we also adjust our evaluation systems to accommodate dummies like Hal Austin …so that he too can get a Phd like Chad…even though he can be so easily robbed by a beach-bum-parro …of his wife’s hard-earned money…. and it takes hime days to figure out SIMPLE statements by (the admittedly F****ed-u) Miller.
    LOL
    ha ha ha – (frigged-up)

    EXAMS …to the world….!!!

    Wait…Is that a towel being thrown into the ring by your handlers…?


    • Which book did you scape this definition? You accept elitism for the value it adds to the whole or not. No half measures or conditions warranted.


  73. Crusoe,
    WE need to pay Teachers well BUT demand performance of them and their students. There must be a Comprehensive growth plan that encompasses the entire country, naturally Education is a critical lynchpin and must focus on JOBS for the future as well as basic trades like masonry, carpentry, etc. We should research why Mauritius, Singapore and other more successful islands have attained their levels. Bim should be soaring with the Eagles not playing like Turkeys.

    Bim needs a group of highly intelligent, experienced people to act as Benevolent Dictators to save the country asap. The malignant and malingering attitude has to stop.

    Bim must revive true PRIDE and INDUSTRY.


  74. @peterlawrencethompson September 15, 2017 at 3:59 PM “A peculiar question… I would have asked where do the mediocre teachers come from? Why is the curriculum mediocre? Why is there mediocre parental support of the school system? Why is there such mediocre collaboration between the teachers’ union and the ministry? why is the Minister of Education so mediocre? Why is our early childhood education system mediocre? Why has our mediocre primary school education system failed these students?”

    Our Barbados scholars and exhibitioners have let us down. They have refused to go into teaching, or into education planning or into politics or policy making.

    So we have what we have. Second best students, second best teachers, second best ministers of education, second best curriculum writers, second best union leaders, second best nursery school teachers, second best elementary school teachers, even second best parents, because for the most part the Barbados scholars and exhibitioners have “laid their eggs away from home”

    That is have begotten their children overseas and have left them there.

    We the hard up tax payers gave our last pennies to help fund their education.

    And they have let us down.


    • Simpy,
      Especially if I pay for Lessons on top of high Taxes why would I encourage my kids to stay in Bim? Why would I with the Complete Jokers RUINING the country? Why would I with the terrible attitudes pervading?

      Couple scholars of 1974-75 variety have been totally demonised by Politicians for being honest professionals who would not lie for them or play dead when they were being bullied.

      The corruption coming from on high runs people to safer climes.


  75. Bim must also solve the criminal problem and boyz on de block. Anyone that does not have a job or education within a year of finishing school must be drafted into a Military school atmosphere to learn discipline, become appropriately educated etc.


  76. @David September 17, 2017 at 3:39 PM “Which book did you scape this definition? ”

    No book David.

    Usain Bolt won gold medals. I did not win any. Neither did you.

    I am not disaffected. neither should you be.

    Repeat after me “Elitism by MERIT it good. It should not breed disaffection.”


  77. “Our Barbados scholars and exhibitioners have let us down. They have refused to go into teaching, or into education planning or into politics or policy making.”

    No they did not…you have been let down by your mediocre governments that refuse to allow your scholars and exhibitioners to bring modern changes to your mediocre systems….because to do so will prevent your medioce governments from getting their bribes and kickbacks.

    Please do not blame your scholars…they kept trying, but at some point you have to give up and take care of self…

    …I sure as hell would not want to see not even an enemy get swallowed up by that nest of vipers that interchangeably and cyclically rotate in and out of parliament, every 5, 10, 15 year election interval.


  78. @William Skinner “The current rise in crime and the escalating disregard for life or limb by some of our youth, are certain signs of the full growth of seeds that were planted at least four decades ago. Our social scientists, have bluntly refused to utilize their knowledge to show or explain how the education system, is fertile breeding ground, for much of the deviancy that is now permeating the society.”

    For every young man for whom the education system was a fertile breeding ground, for much of the deviancy that is now permeating the society, there is his sister, his female cousin, his daughter, raised in the same community by the same parents, went to the same schools and they are not engaged in deviancy, none have been arrested and charged with murder this year, nor last year nor the year before? None have been arrested in for trafficking any major quantity of drugs, nor for guns, nor for nor for arson?

    Can some of the men on this blog explain why?


  79. @Money Brain, September 17, 2017 at 4:09 PM “Couple scholars of 1974-75 variety have been totally demonised by Politicians for being honest professionals who would not lie for them or play dead when they were being bullied.”

    But the Barbados scholars ad exhibitioners should have been the ones doing the bullying.

    Simple people like me would rather be bullied by a scholar than by an idiot.


    • Simpy,
      Politicians are voted for by average people who are easily conned. They are in control!


    • @Simple Simon

      Agree with the thrust of your comment, we educate our people to add value to the system i.e. whaever is required to sustain a quality life. The fact that our education system is not relevant today might have something to do with the returs.


  80. MoneyB…exactly, I will never stand by and allow exhibitioners/scholars to be wrongfully blamed or scapegoated when I know, because I have witnessed it myself what the mediocre governments do to their best and most intelligent…..to deter them from contributing significantly and making a difference to education and every sphere of potential progress on the island, because they perfer keep the island in its stagnant and dilapidated state intellectually, socially and physically…. to enrich themselves..oh hell no.

    You either have to know scholars, be one yaself, have relatives who are or ya will never know what the scum of the earth government ministers and ministry officials do to these bright minds….in favor of enabling crooks and conmen to run the island into the ground.


  81. @Money Brain, September 17, 2017 at 4:09 PM “why would I encourage my kids to stay in Bim?

    How can Barbados/we be better if our brightest and our best and their children, and their children’s children have left us? Where is the brain power going to come from?

    Don’t you understand that since wunna Barbados scholars and exhibitioners have left us we now have a bunch of people running tings ’bout hay both in the public and private sector, people you have failed the 11+, the GCE//CXC/ALevel/CAPE, barely scraped through university (I know because I have had the misfortune to have seen some of their transcripts)

    So how can we go forward?


  82. WW,
    Pols only care bout DEAD Presidents and Prime Ministers printed faces!

    When dem drinking the Dom P they laughing at the poor wretches sucking salt!


  83. By the way…as long as those exhibitioners/scholars pay back their loans, those that are applicable….they do not need to return to the island only to be stagnated and targeted by the stench coming from corrupt governments….

    …..they do not need to subject their children or grandchildren to such stench either…..

    …….I know some who contribute to the island quietly and anonymously. ..no one wants to deal or be associated with the stench that emanates from these ministers…except for their stench filled yardfowls.

    …please remember that scholar who helped with the cricket world cup…Stephen Alleyne…I dont think he made it past 40.


  84. Tell them MoneyB. ..those criminal ministers are best left to Scotland Yard, FBI and Interpol.

    I am surev many of them got soft bowels today.


  85. @ Bush Tea

    All over the place because you say so? Man reel and come again. You just do not want to accept my point on the basis that you cannot see past yours.

    Yours is a broad generalisation. So it is easy for you to reverse the order of my set of undesirables to provide a not so flattering picture of continuous assessment. Why, because you know Barbados as a whole got some make believers with bad attitudes pretending to be teachers but ain’t got one good professional bone to lean on? That is the fault o the system. A system base on hiring crap because many votes are in the house. Be right back. Got me a visitor.


  86. “The fact that our education system is not relevant today might have something to do with the returs.”

    It is not relevant and instead of listening to those scholars who are eager to return and show everyone how to upgrade their systems…because after spending 5 years at a top level university ya sure as hell will know how to and know a hell of a lot more than slimy Fruendel, Jones, Inniss, Lashley, Lowe or any of the other Carrion Birds….

    ….and instead of listening , they try to reduce and demean you because you are a scholar and they will never be scholars in this life nor the next, they chase you away and expect not to suffer the consequences after decades of chasing away their scholars….hello….

    Welcome to freaking reality…hope you enjoy.


  87. @Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 17, 2017 at 4:22 PM # “MoneyB…exactly, I will never stand by and allow exhibitioners/scholars to be wrongfully blamed”

    i am not blaming anybody.

    I am making a factual statement.

    Country person here.

    if you take the cream off the top of the milk then you are left with skimmed milk.

    Generations of Barbados scholars and exhibitioners have left us. We have been left with skimmed milk. And we expect to build a fat rich society with skimmed milk?

    I don’t think that we have a single Barbados scholar or exhibitioner in Cabinet, or in Parliament, or as a head of any government department, or as a permanent secretary, or as the head of any tertiary institution, or as the head of any hospital, or sitting on the governing body of any nursery, primary, or secondary school, of sitting as a judge or as a police commissioner, or as head of the prison service, or as governor general

    Please somebody correct me if I am wrong.

    Imagine a Barbados where Barbados scholars or exhibitioners sat in Cabinet, and in Parliament, and as a head of all government departments, and as a permanent secretaries, and as the head of all tertiary institutions, and as the head of all hospitals, and sitting on the governing bodies of all nursery, primary, and secondary schools, sitting as judges and as police commissioners, and as head of the prison service, and as governor general.

    Imagine.


  88. @Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. September 17, 2017 at 4:30 PM “please remember that scholar who helped with the cricket world cup…Stephen Alleyne…I dont think he made it past 40.”

    Don’t blame Barbados for Stephen’s death. You know don’t you that his mother did not live long enough to raise him to adulthood, that she died when he was yet a child and that his stepmother raised him.

    Methinks.

    Genetics.


  89. It did not help that Owen hounded Alleyne to death either.

    Simple…politicians should be scholars to sit in parliament, but Thompson was one …too smart for his own damn good…

    …and Mia is one, the kind of things and people she gets involved in, she really should know and can do a hell of a lot better……

    All the other riffraff were scraped from the bottom of the barrel by Thompson…and bajans are now stuck with them until next year.

    ……so it can be attributed to the political nastiness that abounds and passes for politics…a dirty game as long as those playing it are dishonest and lack class and integrity..

    Obama must be one of the few politicians with high levels if intelligence and no nastiness and scandal to his name…


  90. “I don’t think that we have a single Barbados scholar or exhibitioner in Cabinet, or in Parliament, or as a head of any government department, or as a permanent secretary, or as the head of any tertiary institution, or as the head of any hospital, or sitting on the governing body of any nursery, primary, or secondary school, of sitting as a judge or as a police commissioner, or as head of the prison service, or as governor general”

    And that is by design…not the exhibitioner’s/scholar’s.

    When yardfowlism, nepotism and cronyism rules a society, practiced by 2 governments for 50 years …, ya gotta accept what ya get from the bottom of the barrel….


  91. Speaking of bottom of the barrel….how come yardfowls Angela and Carson are so scarce on this link.


  92. @ Simple Simon
    Woman, you are so on point and accurate that Bushie is just here in awe…

    Two points…:
    ….there is his sister, his female cousin, his daughter, raised in the same community by the same parents, went to the same schools and they are not engaged in deviancy, none have been arrested and charged with murder this year, nor last year nor the year before? None have been arrested in for trafficking any major quantity of drugs, nor for guns, nor for nor for arson? Can some of the men on this blog explain why?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Men are natural leaders.
    Really good men do great things…
    Bad men do real shiite.
    …however…
    Women tend not to do much shiite …because women tend not to do anything revolutionary, dangerous, controversial or laborious…. they do shiite by omission…

    @ WW&C
    Speaking of bottom of the barrel….how come yardfowls Angela and Carson are so scarce on this link.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Bushie suspects that they have bigger fish to keep from getting fried….
    …besides their fancy cars may be in the process of dismantlement as we speak…
    to check if any junk was left in them during assembly.
    …but the bushman may be wrong…

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