Jeff Cumberbatch – Chairman of the FTC and Deputy Dean, Law Faculty, UWI, Cave Hill

The late US film producer, Samuel Goldwyn, is usually credited with first saying that a verbal (sic) contract is “not worth the paper it is written on”. In this statement, he would strictly have erred in at least two particulars; first, he probably meant “oral” instead of “verbal” which is the adjective for “in words” and not for “spoken”, so that even a written contract is verbal in the true sense and, second, he was also wrong in law since most oral contracts are legally enforceable except where statute requires that an agreement be in writing or be evidenced in writing.

But then Mr. Goldwyn was also known for other similar pearls of wisdom – He is reputed to have averred, “I don’t think anybody should write his autobiography until after he’s dead”, and when informed by one director that a script was too caustic, Goldwyn is alleged to have responded, “To hell with the cost. If it’s a good picture, we’ll make it!”

Mr Goldwyn’s first exegesis came to mind last week as I reflected on the diligent preparations being made by the respective political parties for a general election that may possibly be a twelvemonth or more away. As the Barbados Labour Party continues to rub shoulders with the citizenry and to stage its weekly constituency canvasses, the Democratic Labour Party appears to have settled on its slate of candidates for the campaign, having last week deselected three of the candidates that represented the party in the 2008 general election. The fact that among those deselected was one candidate who had been beaten in the constituency by a mere handful of votes signals the earnestness of that party to regain the reins of governmental authority.

Amidst all this, the collective third parties are equally busy with their nominations of candidates. It is not this form of preparation, however, that brings Goldwyn’s dictum to mind. The staging of public meetings at which the respective programmes of the parties will be made known to the electorate will naturally follow the current nomination process and will itself precede the written outlines of these policy proposals in the form of glossy manifestoes sometime later in the campaign.

It is at these latter two stages that we will have cause to wonder whether these verbal (both oral and written) promises to the electorate are indeed “worth the paper they are written on” or whether they are mere allurements held out to attract the unthinking into choosing one party’s candidate over that of another party in the thirty constituency elections that collectively comprise the whole.

The observant reader would have noticed that I have chosen not to refer to these promises as “contracts”. This is so for the strictly legal reason that a contract is accepted to be a legally enforceable agreement and, try as hard as I might, I am unable to detect in the political promise, if it may be so described, any hint of an agreement on the part of the electorate as opposed to simple notice of the policy proposals. Nor is there any truth in an assertion that they are legally enforceable.

First, it would be difficult to pinpoint with any degree of certainty which of the multiple promises might have caused the majority of a constituency to vote for a particular candidate and thereby supply the necessary consideration for that promise made by his or her party, whether it be the enactment of integrity legislation, the proposal to establish an office of Contractor General or the soonest passage of freedom of information legislation. Or even to revoke the current fee paying arrangement by Barbadian students at the University of the West Indies.

In any event, there may be good reason to believe that electoral support is not as linear as might be supposed, but owed rather to an eldritch combination of family tradition, candidate recognition and personality, bandwagonism and, perhaps, to rejection of the incumbent for articulated reasons of “doing-nothing-for- me-personally” or of “not-being-seen-in-the-constituency-since-the-last- election”.

It may be in this context that some have expressed the view that such proposals are not promises at all, but are mere moral representations of future conduct whose realization is cribbed, cabined and confined by the opportuneness of the circumstances prevailing at the time in future most appropriate for their fulfillment.

It is in the aspect of legal enforceability, however, that the analogy has its clearest failure. While there may be the politico-moral enforcement of failed promises by an elector through a refusal to cast his or her vote for the candidate of the breaching or misrepresenting party, the very vagueness of the link between the political statement of intention and the collective electoral support of a constituency converts this form of recourse into a mostly dead letter.

In fine, my thesis is that the political promise, proposal, representation, undertaking or howsoever it may be termed is demonstrably not worth the paper it is written on. And calling it a covenant or a guarantee does nothing to change its essential nature.

Please permit me to express sincere sentiments of condolence to the family, friends and colleagues of Mr. Eli Edwards, Attorney-at-Law and quondam Public Counsel, who was called to higher service on Thursday last. Eli was a skillful prosecutor who clearly had the public interest at heart. May he rest in peace.

A blessed Easter Sunday and holiday to all my readers.

133 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – The Paper it is Written On…”

  1. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    Jeff

    My thinking was on genuine community groups whose interest lay in different fields but would come together under an umbrella like the old BYC or even BARP,BAS,BMA,etc of today….I recall back in the day when the media would seek the opinions of the leaders of BYC,Jaycees,BAS,4-H,etc,etc

    We must accept that without strong groups like these the political class will continue along their merry way…….note we have established that they cannot be changed from within.e.g OSA.


  2. @enuff

    You picked the Bar and ran with that one?

  3. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ Jeff Cumberbatch.

    First let me offer my commiserations per your (imminent?) suffering at the hands of “he whom you have asserted, you know him not”

    Such is par for the course and envy is great in this country.

    Then let me thank you for answering my question that I posed 2 months ago.

    I was in some despair when I noted that you did not answer with your usual alacrity but hindsight being 20/20 I clearly understand why.

    I must say that though it is not the answer that I wanted you have, as usual answered the question and given the solution as you usually do.

    Unfortunately, as was evident by your having to come back and clarify your article some 9 hours later, all who would have read it did not understand it.

    Certainly you have the CCC badword whose acronym i will not enumerate this Glorious Day, speaking of how “you are supporting the BLP with this article”. even though you spoke clearly as to the impotence of the Mugabian “Covenant of Hope”.

    So now we have the lineup for the Third Movement assembling before our very eyes

    Jeff Cumberbatch
    Leighton Trotman
    Caswell Franklyn
    Ronnie Yearwood (one he can be decoupled from the Mugabe Brown Shirts)

    The names are increasing…

    And once you declare to them what the answer is Jeff to that Instrument that is Full of Hot Air and signifying Nothing…” and declare it to Bajans then your ascendancy to the House of Assembly is assured

    @ Brother Bush Tea.

    Prosecuting them to the Fullest Extent of the Law MUST BE the Way for any incoming party but it cannot be a campaign strategy, such has to be “held in abeyance” until …

  4. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Artax, if the FACTS are political.promises too, then they are of identical ilk…


  5. LOL @ Enuff
    Is the Bar Association an NGO?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Only when the bar is solid.
    In Barbados it IS an NGO …. a National Goat Organisation.

    @ Artax
    Arthur made the error in making Lashley minister of social transformation…. just like he made the chicken farmer Insurance Supervisor, just like his Public Sector reform, his productivity council, and his CSME shiite….
    Just because a fella CARES about, and LOVES his community is NO reason to put him in charge of something as COMPLEX as social transformation.
    Just because a fella likes money ….is THAT reason to put him in charge of the treasury….
    (OOPS….LOL …currently, it is apparently so…)

    Steupsss…
    Why did he not put himself in charge of Mount Gay? …or perhaps he did…? 🙂

    @ Gabriel
    Exactly!!
    Globally, politics seems to be fully infested with traitorous scamps.
    However, the GOOD NEWS (gospel) is that in the TRUE scheme of things, it really makes NO real DIFFERENCE to anything CRITICALLY important….. believe it or not.
    As desirable as it is that we enjoy a healthy, prosperous and successful life, it is ABSOLUTELY possible to live a totally successful life …even with the dastardly devils doing the dog.
    It is vital to keep in mind that the OBJECTIVE of life is the building of righteous character . not the accumulation of shiite ‘wealth’…. or even safety and security.


  6. @ Vincent
    My thinking was on genuine community groups whose interest lay in different fields but would come together under an umbrella like the old BYC
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    YOUR thinking…?
    Scamp….
    Boss, this is almost word for word what was proposed in Bushie & BAFBFP’s ten point plan…. which you rubbished….
    LOL
    ha ha ha

  7. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    Bushie

    Chuckle….time for the meds….the level of jobby is getting bigger……go and lie down.


  8. @ Enuff
    Of course I do Bushie, hence my reason for being critical of a party of businessmen only and or one built on a digital participatory platform as being promoted on BU.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Don’t be ridiculous now….

    When Grenville speaks of ‘businessmen’, he is OBVIOUSLY not speaking of a ‘party’, but of potential leadership CANDIDATES.
    There is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with such an approach. He is SIMPLY seeking to place ROUND pegs into round holes, …and square ones into square holes.

    In his academic way, he is just asking for PRIOR EXPERIENCE from those seeking to manage a national economy.
    If your man Arthur had done this we would not be now up shit street (literally if you live in the Hastings area…)
    LOL … for one thing a certain chicken farmer would have been at ‘Super Poultry’ or some such place – rather than overseeing the demise of CLICO…
    …and with the current lot of idiots,…someone who actually knew about Transport would probably be managing the Transport board ….and similarly for the BWA….

    As to the digital platform – you cannot be serious.
    The whole world revolves around social media…. from Trump’s tweets, to ISIS recruitment, training and deployment.
    What do you want? Town Hall meetings? …to deploy a Town cryer?

    Wake up man…. no wonder you shill defend the 1950’s ‘CSME thinking’.

  9. William Skinner Avatar

    While I do not doubt the sincerity of those who contribute to BU, I notice that we tend to elevate those whom we believe fit our class system. In any part of the world, a citizen such as Hammie Lashley , would have been judged on his ability to achieve so much as a community worker, who was elevated by the people he served. We are being snobbish because in many of our minds he is not a so-called academic heavyweight. Yet in many instances, I see us falling over the contributions of those whose only contribution to national life has been often warmed over academic/intellectual positions and whose contributions when critically analysed reveal nothing more than the ability to impress with words. We would be directed to spend two hours listening to the views of one person, while a genuine worker on behalf of the people is relegated to a mere toy for those we consider to be the real deal. Rather than accept that Hammie out foxed all the heavy weights , we prefer to fool ourselves that he was used. In other words , he apparently does not possess the ability to out think Arthur or Thompson.
    Hammie served on his terms and the reason that he called the shots as he so brilliantly did was simply because he did not depend on the wealthy donors or the party strategists to develop and our support a political career that was not built on being a lawyer or somone we consider to be some academically gifted opportunist. If we had serious political writers in our country, a biography of Hammie Lashley, would be just about now hitting the book stores. Hammie has a body of community work that is almost impossible to surpass and this is his legacy for generations to come. We talk about people power and no where in our country was that more evident in the fact that it was the people’s power that allowed Hammie to “seamlessly” move between the BLP and DLP. Nobody in either party could stop him because they could not defeat him.
    It was his body of work that so inspired his constituents, that he was so successful . Much more than OSA who had to depend on Tom Adams to get his political career off the ground or David Thompson who inherited a safe seat. Neither Arthur or Thompson, had done the work at the grassroots level, to inspire the constituents of St Peter or St John.Hammie empowered the people and they in turn gave him the political power to carry his work further. So David and others, can fool themselves that Hammie was used but it was the other way around. I hope that if he ever gives a lecture , that BU would promote him with the same zeal that was given to others. Obviously some of us after all the shouting are still blinded by a pervasive classism that manifests itself whenever the opportunity arises.


  10. William,
    Spot on. But many of those who masquerade as professionals, academics and intellectuals are just whimpers. Bajans associate a degree with intelligence and intellectualism. It is really a belief in credentialism not education.
    Hammie is a decent, sincere working class lad who should be celebrated. I remember once some jobs worth at the British High Commission in Barbados, some lonely spinster, was terribly rude to Hammie, I was fuming. But, typically, he took it and did not complain.
    But it says a lot about us when we can elevate crooked and semi-educated lawyers above a man of the people, but that is Barbados.

  11. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Only the new candidates if elected to government can institute integrity legislation, as they are not yet tainted, but we need to identify them first to separate the known dishonest ones from those who may give a glimmer of hope re Integrity Legislation and FOI. …so Grenville and the others, better chose their candidates carefully, very carefully….and dont choose the ones who have dirt and dishonesty sticking to them.

    DBLP politicians/ministers have 50 years of taint, rot, decay and the stain of bribery and corruption sticking to them, the stench is unbearable and unmovable.


  12. @ William Skinner April 16, 2017 at 11:56 PM
    Brilliant analysis.


  13. You seem to be of the view that because BU suggest that Lashley was used by Arthur to push his poverty alleviation agenda and in the process modify the image perception of the BLP at the time it was a party of the business class we are of the view he is a bad man? You need to lose the emotionalism in your argument if all we are doing is to engage in dispassionate analysis..


  14. Bushie
    So there is no place in Grenville’s party for those special persons who are non-business persons but unselfishly care about the dispossessed in their society, and who take up the mantle of representing their interests in whatsoever ways they are able to do so??
    What is the difference between an engineer providing services and a lawyer doing likewise or Suckoo? Interestingly, Owen is a lifetime public servant! The key competency for functioning well as a Minister, apart from being incorruptible, is the ability to critically analyse, synthesise and determine evidence-based solutions that fit into the overall vision of the Ministry and Government. The solutions I have seen so far do not indicate any grasp of the above.
    @David
    The Bar Association was tongue in cheek.


  15. @ Enuff
    So there is no place in Grenville’s party for those special persons who are non-business persons
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    There is a place for EVERYONE…. the round pegs in round holes, and the square pegs in square holes. There IS a critical role for persons like Hammie/Grant, who genuinely love and is able to communicate with the people….. but that place may not be implementing social policy changes in a post-slavery society. You have to find a special talented, experienced, WISE and knowledgeable champion if you REALLY wanted to execute such an objective.

    The difference between an engineer /lawyer/ doctor providing leadership services is called EXPERIENCE.
    Which ever of them (and of others such as wrought iron manufacturers, community leaders, sports organisers etc) can DEMONSTRATE that they have the capacity to succeed in leadership in PREVIOUS areas ….then deserves the opportunity to perform at the national level….

    “Ye who have been faithful in SMALL things, Grenville will make them rulers over national ministries..” Perhaps you lack the ability to ‘see’ the solutions that are REALLY needed.

    What Owen what…??!!
    Bushie likes the man, but he would have done well to listen to Grenville’s advice back then… instead of putting lots of shiite people in critical positions – while trying to buy-out the political opposition with his ‘politics of inclusion’.
    Anybody can look good to albino-centric brass bowls during the phase when they have loads of borrowed money to flash around….
    Then payback time comes….


  16. “Hammie served on his terms and the reason that he called the shots as he so brilliantly did was simply because he did not depend on the wealthy donors or the party strategists to develop and our support a political career that was not built on being a lawyer or somone we consider to be some academically gifted opportunist.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    NONSENSE!!!!!!


  17. There are certain individuals who seem to be of the belief that because they use their real names, their contributions must be accepted as the gospel, while the contributions of those who use pseudonyms must be dismissed as nonsense.

    They are likewise “snobbish whimpers, masquerading as (journalist), professionals, academics and intellectuals,” as demonstrated when they “condescendingly” try to impress upon others, constantly, that they established some course at a university or were a “deposit losing” member of a political party.

    They sit in their ivory towers in the UK and other places to use this forum to constantly remind us: “Barbados! Can anything good come from there?” cuss Owen Arthur, our educational system, political parties and other people who made outstanding contributions to this society.

    WHO MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT ACADEMICS? Just goes to show that COMPREHENSION was a difficult subject for these pseudo academics.

    After the 1986 general elections the NAB moved him from the post of Housing Officer to the post of Store-room Keeper. He was subsequently moved from that post to organizing activities for senior citizens. Lah told others and me that he was approached by the DLP to be a candidate in the 1991 general elections. He was at first reluctant, but was subsequently convinced to accept.

    Lah began to experience problems with certain members of the DLP who thought he should not have been among them. One evening I was with two other friends who also knew Lah personally and we saw him in Kathy’s shop in Oistins hanging out with a guy who used to drive him around. He told us that he has been experiencing problems with the DLP due to his perceive social status. He recalled an instance when he was sick and David Thompson came to visit him, but stayed by the door. Lah told him that “heart attacks are not contagious.” He said Arthur came into his bedroom to visit him and commented on the difference in attitude.

    And there are other instances which I will not reveal in this forum.

    After telling us the level of segregation he experienced in the DLP, he was considering Arthur’s proposal of being given a ministry if he joined the BLP. We told him he should do what he thinks is best for him. Soon after he crossed the floor.

    Lah’s tenure in politics saw him using his salary to pay electricity, water and rent for constituents. He went as far as offering his constituency office, which was then located in Golden Rock, to a homeless constituent.

    Ironically, he began to experience similar levels of “segregation” he experienced in the DLP and crossed the floor again.

    Let me state for the record that I have KNOWN Hammie Lah PERSONALLY, for 32 years, BEFORE he reluctantly became a politician. He was involved in football and other community activities before he was embraced by then Community Development Officer Ralph Walker, who was instrumental in establishing Pinelands Creative Workshop (PCW). As a youngster, I supported attended all PCW events and plays to the extent that I was allowed free admission.

    However, I have to ability to praise a man when he has done well and criticize him when he does nonsense. Accept it or not, the truth is Lah did not present any initiative to alleviate poverty.

    I can go on, but because of the respect I have for Lah, I will not divulge any of his personal information in this forum.

    I can argue that what the two braggarts claim to know about Lah is “hear say,” because they don’t know the man. Perhaps these “gentlemen” should stop being so hypocritical.


  18. @William, most clearly Lashley was the one in ‘control’ as he managed the politics of the day. But it is also inaccurate to say that he was ‘coopted’.

    The two are really hand in glove of politics when sage players are at their best. I thought Lashley was brilliantly wise….but so too was Arthur!

    And isn’t the final answer in politics always who benefited most…moving as he did from just ‘another’ community organizer to being the power player in the Bajan political landscape for many years there can be no doubt that Hammie succeeded (for himself and his village in Pinelands and beyond) well above scores of other pols…and surely much moreso than the Bees or Dees did by using his MP status to their advantages.

    On your other point re ‘class’: although it’s a valid point isn’t it worth only half a chapter in that book about which you desire; this class ting is overblown.

    We always had and will always have the Hammie Lal type grassroots pol… wasn’t Hinds (Burton) cut basically from his cloth; even a man like Craig in many regards could be considered a bit of a ‘grassrooter’ …of course though he lost his humility real fast and became a terrible, snobbish ‘first-class’ boorish person…as many pols tend to do!

    Lashley as noted above never seemed to adopt that personality.

    And incidentally didn’t Hamilton Lashley in his heyday fill public places when he ‘talked’ about Bajan affairs.

    In Bajan politics this man did supremely what others before had merely hinted at doing.


  19. oops…Let correct that to read: “But it is also ACCURATE to say that he was ‘coopted’.”


  20. Let me state for the record that I have KNOWN Hammie Lah PERSONALLY, for 32 years, AND BEFORE he reluctantly became a politician.


  21. @Artax

    Like you Hammie Lal is known to members of the BU household -NOT for 32 years. We are aware of his personal sacrifices especially the personal debt he has accumulated because of his interest in the vulnerable and dispossessed. If only those who aspire to public service were as selfless. It is unfortunate he had to play the politics to try to help people.


  22. William Skinner is possessed of a vile hatred for the Barbados Labour Party.He gives a hoot about the Democratic Labour Party and pure unadulterated admiration for the National Democratic Party.Just another possessed individual with a beam and a mote mentality.Hammy -La would have brought the criminal mind out of Laventille to engage the criminal mind out of Pinelands,Gall Hill,Silver Hill.Haynesville and such like hot spots in Barbados.The man is known for praying on the lower elements of the housing areas but in particular the Pine.Look at how the little girls are taught to dance.No grace.Common class legs sprawl open,wukkup style.Low life scumbags leading the poor children astray by their well concealed perverted lifestyles.


  23. Bushie
    You were convinced in 2008 too! The same kind of incoherent and unpragmatic policies impressed you. I maintain that the solutions presented so far do not indicate an appreciation for, or understanding of the policies required to improve the lives of all Barbadians. Not even the role and marketability of all undergraduate degrees is understood.

    On another note, all of a sudden the previously sacrosanct Auditor General Reports are irrelevant. The hypocrisy is suffocating.


  24. de pedantic Dribbler April 17, 2017 at 8:13 AM #

    “On your other point re ‘class’: although it’s a valid point isn’t it worth only half a chapter in that book about which you desire; this class ting is overblown.”

    @ de pedantic Dribbler

    Don’t get “caught up” in the “class” argument.

    Lah came from a family of “business people.” His mother owned three guest houses, including Indrama that was located in Dover, Christ Church.

    His brother also owned supermarkets (e.g. Harvest Mart) and the little stores which were once known as “Cosmetiques.”

    Lah is unique in that he preferred the simple way of life than glamour.

    I will bet anything that those individuals who are in this forum referring to class, if they were in a situation similar to that of Lah, judging from their writings, they would opt not to emulate Lah.

  25. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    Artax April 17, 2017 at 8:33 AM #

    Thank you for setting the record straight.

    Too many individuals with their own agenda create mountains or straw men to climb on or tear down.


  26. David

    Would Lah have been subject to recall for his work as an MP or Minister? hahaaaaa!


  27. @ Enuff
    Bushie …You were convinced in 2008 too! The same kind of incoherent and unpragmatic policies impressed you
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    You only need to refer to BU’s archives to confirm that you are WRONG….. but then again you are probably becoming acclimatised to being wrong…. 🙂


  28. @ Enuff
    Would Lah have been subject to recall for his work as an MP or Minister? hahaaaaa!
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    His work as a minister was no more his fault than the ‘work’ of the chicken farmer in his role as Supervisor of Insurance.

    The “person to be recalled” is the one who appointed CLEARLY unqualified persons to such critical positions – PURELY as bribes in the interest of ‘politics of inclusion’….

    haaaaaaa THAT!!!


  29. @enuff

    Yes he made mistakes and some will say he was better suited in a support role.


  30. David – Mistakes? What a choice of word!!

    Bushie – Your fan belt soon pop, keep spinning.


  31. @Artax, I get your well-scripted personal assessment of Lashley (although a few of the anecdotes are ‘interesting’ to say the least) but how do you get to the summary that “‘ Accept it or not, the truth is Lah did not present any initiative to alleviate poverty”.

    In what realistic context can ANYONE ever have that as a mandate?

    Entire political systems built on that base-line perspective have ‘failed’.

    If Lashley’s broad tenure is taken in real terms it seemed to me that he had some very worthy successes.

    Ascribing an ‘impossibility to him is a demerit on us certainly not on him.

    Poverty can never be alleviated because some people simply make inherently ridiculous decisions (12 children with four different fathers is inherently ridiculous sans a mental imbalance); and Bajan leadership help the poor to help themselves, not to take the poor to the next level.

    Poverty alleviation needs draconian ‘social engineering’ decisions, unpopular directives on what folks in poverty can and cannot do until they graduate from that despair; a process of continued education and guidance and instilling a mindset and focus of ‘I want to be a millionaire’ (draconian thoughts as I said).

    @Vincent, where did Skinner create a mountain of a ‘straw’ man and where did Artax ‘set the record straight’??

    We apparently fool ourselves that the sausage we buy in the attractive package is not made from a combination of ingredients that can look very gross and nasty on the production floor.

    Artax, provided a glimpse into the production of Lashley’s political sausage…it took nothing away from Lashley’s brilliant movements to and fro…his attractive packaging!

    And the reason that he would never be a straw-man in the eyes of many – regardless of his standard human failings- is due to the fact that he made all those machinations based on his desire to help the people in his community…not for direct personal aggrandizement.


  32. @Dee Word

    A manifesto pledge of Arthur’s BLP was poverty alleviation. A review of Hammie lah performance would indicate he was weak in implementing policy frameworks to wrestle with what we all know is a tall challenge. He never failed on the photo ops and showing concern though.


  33. @ de pedantic Dribbler

    alleviate means make (suffering, deficiency, or a problem) less severe.

    This has been done in Barbados for years. Why do you think government employed people to watch grass grow along the roads in Barbados ?

  34. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    I have been around and closely associated with politicians for most of my life and I can say, without sensible contradiction, that Hamilton Lashley is the most genuine politician that I have ever met. He cared more about the welfare of others than he cared about himself. Mind you, some people exploited his caring nature but that is only a reflection on them. Some people would give out of their abundance but Hammie gave all that he had and then went into debt to continue assisting others. I was Chairman of the credit Committee of a credit union and can testify to that but my oath prevents me from saying more.

    Hammie is in a class by himself. I don’t mind what the naysayers have to say, he is in a class by himself.

    Sent from my iPad


  35. Poverty can be ALEVIATED by creating employment.


  36. @ de pedantic Dribbler

    As usual, you must oppose everything I contribute to this forum and have seen it fit to respond on the basis of my “poverty alleviation” comment only, while describing the other content as “interesting.”

    I must admit that your intelligence far exceeds mine, so perhaps you may want to explain “(although a few of the anecdotes are ‘interesting’ to say the least.)”

    Additionally, you may also want to explain “…..it took nothing away from Lashley’s brilliant movements to and fro…his attractive packaging!”


  37. Bushie

    Cuhdear………Bushie – Your fan belt soon pop, keep spinning.

    Yuh means tuh sez dah evahbody dun noh dat yuh mawnin wurds ain nuffen tuh do wid de ones pun a nite……wuhloss

    Little does he know that the belt pop already,the pump spinning and the engine overheating with hot air flying all over…….we will keep that as our little secret….eh…

  38. William Skinner Avatar

    @ Caswell
    What fascinates me is the gall of some
    who seem to think that Hammie was some
    simpleton who was manipulated by the
    BLPDLP. They don’t even want to give
    him any credit as a sensible politician.
    They will never admit it but they would
    rush to call Mottley and Thompson “bright”
    young politicians ( when that was apparently
    applicable) but to them Lashley was just
    some community worker with no mind of
    his own. It is therefore no mystery why
    Hammie experienced rampant class
    discrimination in both the BLPDLP.
    If many of the inferior candidates seeking
    political office, were to build their political careers on the Hammie model, the country
    would be better served.
    Whenever genuine grassroots people
    surface in the national light they are those
    waiting to pull them down or belittle them
    in some form or fashion.
    You are absolutely correct when you state
    that Hammie is in a “class by himself”.


  39. @William

    Hamilton Lashley was NOT a poltician. He was coopted by politicians to identify with a segment of the population. Like Artax we will leave it there to not tarnish the reputation of Lashley -suffice to say he was an excellent community practioner which is how he always described himself.


  40. To David and Hants, granted my interpretation of ‘alleviating’ went far left towards the context of ‘eradication’.

    The basis of my remarks that it is a difficult process still stands however.

    @Artax, you sir are a highly strung fellow. The nature of blogging is offering opinions.

    It is beyond amazing that I could highlight that I agree with your text and also highlight a point of disagreement and yet you contend that “you must oppose everything I contribute to this forum”. Is that Waterford level of comprehension? LOLL.

    With due respect but that is dismaying. Have I often not given kudos for your contributions…are you THAT sensitive!

    So to your questions: — “perhaps you may want to explain “(although a few of the anecdotes are ‘interesting’ to say the least.)”—-

    I was struck by the DT anecdote. No doubt it is as stated but life has thought me that things are not always as they may appear. Generally being acquainted with DT I never saw or experienced him as really snobbish or as we Bajans would say ‘scornful’.

    Thus I perceived that there had to be more to that mortar than that anecdotal pestle. It was a minor issue either way thus my throw-away comment.

    AND — “you may also want to explain “…..it took nothing away from Lashley’s brilliant movements to and fro…his attractive packaging!”—-

    I thought I had explained pellucidly. You described the workings (sausage making) of the Lashley political actions. There was nothing there which in my view reflected negatively on him. I still thought he was a brilliant tactician.

    Is that now fully explained??

    And let me apologize in advance. If I continue life and thus continue to blog here I will attach to (NOT attack) your remarks from time to time.

    Please get over yourself…this is an opinion forum and that is what the blogmaster wants…lively discourse.

    If we all agree then what is the point!


  41. Well said Caswell.


  42. @ David

    Exactly!! I agree with your comments 100%.

    Lah was always one to ADMIT that he was “NOT a politician” and he knew politicians “coopted him to identify (their political parties) with a segment of the population.”

    Introducing academics into the discussion is nonsense, when clearly no other contributor mentioned Lah in that context.

    @ de pedantic Dribbler

    I wanted to allow your comments to go “over my head,” especially taking into consideration that, with the Thompson comment, you are essentially implying Lah and I are being untruthful, which is the basis of your “created disagreement.”

    However, your hypocrisy comes to the fore when you want me to accept that you being “Generally being acquainted with DT (and) never saw or experienced him as really snobbish or as we Bajans would say ‘scornful’,” “there had to be more to that mortar than that anecdotal pestle.” By making those comments are you not also EXHIBITING SOME MEASURE of SNOBBERY?

    Likewise, I being “generally being acquainted with” Lah, YOU MUST ACCEPT I BELIEVE his version of what transpired. And I could mention many more things that occurred, but will not do so in this forum.

    Additionally, if Lah had approached the politicians and convinced them into embracing him as a candidate for the BLP and DLP, because of his community orientation and subsequently using that attribute to his advantage, then I would agree that “he was a brilliant tactician.”

    However, it was the politicians who APPROACHED and used him, as David mentioned, “to identify with a segment of the population.”

    Lah was not readily accepted by some members of both BLP and DLP. He also lost favour with Arthur and was removed as Minister of Social Transformation, but was subsequently appointed as Government’s adviser on poverty eradication and the United Nations’ Millennium Development Goals.

    Note, Lah rejoined the DLP and Undene Whittaker remained Government’s adviser on poverty eradication and the United Nations’ Millennium Development Goals.

    Furthermore, because I do not want to divulge any personal information, I will not engage in this Lashley debate any longer, especially with individuals whose knowledge of the man is based on “hear say.”


  43. To come on BU and repeatedly hold an anti-corruption stance, and lament the need for good governance, accountability and transparency then deify Lah, epitomises the vacillatory nature of many of BU’s self-appointed intelligentsia.


  44. Good father above on the Easter period of penance I ask your forgiveness…. Artax, are you just blithely desirous of being absolutely repetitive or do you seriously not read posts carefully.

    I said “I was struck by the DT anecdote. No doubt it is AS STATED (emphasis added) but life has thought me that things are not always as they may APPEAR (again added).”

    Good heavens bro where did I say that you or Lashley were untruthful.

    Geezus, I presume that Harold Wharton had already retired or otherwise did NOT teach you English comprehension Waterford…LOLLL….because if he did I am flabbergasted…the old boy must have been losing his mojo!

    Life has thought me- to repeat- that things are not as they appear. If DT stopped at the door I don’t know that it meant he was not keen on venturing into the room with Lashley because of implication of him being class conscious, snobbish or such.

    THAT was my ONLY point. I thought that was ‘blind man on trotting horse’ clear.

    This entire Lashley brouhha is amazing to me. Of course he was a politician. The man was a representative for his people.

    The fact that he did so well that BOTH political parties CAME to HIM is an advertisement of his BRILLIANCE and Success.

    That is the freaking crux of representation: getting the notice and support of the people in power. Lashley did that superbly.

    Was Dr King a ‘politician’. Was Helen Keller a ‘politician’. This debate makes no sense.

    Of course they were all ‘politicians’ in the sense that they worked diligently and purposefully for the rights and to the benefit of groups of people. And in the case of Lashley he then also became an elected rep.

    But that apart as a vigorous community organizer he was always acting in a ‘political’ context to give his community voice and get aide from government.

    And let’s get away from these personal innuendos. The man was a public figure and he surely was tempted by several people and offered all types of inducements; he surly made errors along the way but from a ‘distance’ he appeared to be the epitome of what a ‘true politician’ should be!

    The problem here is that HE was the real ‘politician’. The others are a bunch of frauds.


  45. @Dee Word

    Surely you cannot be so naive to misunderstand what the context ‘Lashley is NOT a politician’ means?

    By the way -can comprehension be taught?


  46. @enuff

    Let us agree those who are aware agree with you Lashley made some ‘mistakes’ let us leave him alone, his heart was in the right place.


  47. @ David who wrote ” By the way -can comprehension be taught?”

    Yes David. I was taught comprehension in primary school in Barbados. lol


  48. David, that is exactly the point.

    In EVERY explicit AND implicit measure of the word politician, I would say that Hamilton Lashley was certainly one.

    I mentioned Helen Keller before. You know of course that many current ‘elected MPs’ developed via groups like Lions, Rotary and so on. When Dale Marshall or Ed Hinkson were plying their wares in their respective groups were they not being ‘political’ beings even then…I mean as part of their organizations’s strategic push on the Bajan scene.

    The Lions Club donated a major center at the QEH of course and Rotary and others have done other major projects. Step outside the strict Webster definition of politics.

    That type effort reeks of ‘political too and fro’.

    And had Lashley remained only a ‘community organizer’ I would still label him a ‘politician’. And frankly based on what he was doing up there in the Pine a good one too!

    And yes of course, comprehension can be taught.

    The nuance of words and structure. What is the writer’s tone as well of course. And all that must be considered after reading carefully – a first gloss and then a more analytical review…and ALWAYS devoid of one’s own preconceived perspectives.

    That is added afterwards! LOLL.


  49. @ David

    The de pedantic Dribbler seems always to be questioning my level of education (as he usually does) and finds it necessary to go through my contributions with a “find tooth comb,” looking for silly arguments to substantiate his belief.

    Although you and I made similar comments about Lah, the dpD has to prove that I am wrong.

    @ de pedantic Dribbler

    Rather than SCROLL PAST my incomprehensible comments, why do you find it necessary to respond?

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