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Marguerite Woodstock-Riley, Chair of the Disciplinary Committee
Marguerite Woodstock-Riley, Chair of the Disciplinary Committee

It has become evident to BU that one of the reasons the Disciplinary Committee (DC) cannot effectively carry out its work is because of a lack of resources. Even the well-meaning Andrew โ€˜Pillyโ€™ Pilgrim could not make a difference and the incumbent Woodstock-Riley must be facing the same challenge.

The DC is an autonomous body – not to be confused with the Bar Association – of all volunteers therefore adequate administrative support is essential for the committee to do its work. Routine office activities to efficiently record complaints, follow up on decisions, timely service of documents and record of date served, records of what is sent out and follow up, notices to committee members of matters to be discussed to enable preparationย  etc. BU understands that the staff at the DC work only two days per week. To exacerbate the situation one staff member was extended to 5 days but was off sick for a large part of last year. After persistent representation by the BA another person was appointed to work 5 days per week by the Registrar. A scanner was used to better distribute documents and various systems put in place to have information automated. It is evident the BC needs greater resources to improve office administration to effectively tackle the mountain of complaints against members of the profession.

The committee meets every Tuesday but decided toย  meet one Saturday per month in an attempt to chip away at the backlog. Some hearings were done on other days to accommodate complainants and teleconferences used to facilitate overseas complainants. Complaints wereย  prioritised and those involving financial issues as the highest.ย  Firmer positions taken on adjournments by both parties.

It is BUโ€™s view given the backlog – just like what exist in our Courts – a draconian and urgent intervention will be required by the government to address the several issues faced by the DC. A proposal was made to increase the size of the committee to 14. At present 7 persons with 4 needed as a quorum makes it very difficult to review complaints efficiently, schedule hearings and have decisions written. An increase in the amount of financial support received by the committee to improve administrative support has been requested. However BU suspects given the current state of public finances the challenge at the DC will be with us for a while longer.

One area the DC can improve is in the area of communication with the public to increase awareness of what the DC is mandated to do. BU understands that many persons use the DC as a means of collecting funds or resolving issues that can more effectively done in other forums.

It is interesting to note that the majority of complaints to the DC involve land matters. While there has been a suggestion to restrict funds paid to attorneys on land sales BU has been advised that is not something the DC can act on.ย  BUโ€™s concern is that Barbados should not have to reinvent the wheel in this regard. Let us borrow from other jurisdictions where disciplinary action is undertaken with fervour. We therefore await the proposed changes to the Legal Profession Act that is slated to be reviewed soon.

Can we [the people] expect to hear from the Attorney General and government on this issue?


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92 responses to “Understanding the Challenges Faced by the Disciplinary Committee of the Barbados Bar Association”

  1. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    David

    The Disciplinary Committee of the Bar Association was not designed to be effective. It is a tool to help lawyers get away with wrongdoing by giving the impression that something is being done.

    When lawyers steal or otherwise defraud clients, they should be brought before the courts like any other suspected criminal. In most instances where theft by a lawyer is reported to the police, the complainant is directed to the Disciplinary Committee. Very rarely do police take action against lawyers. The system was designed by lawyers to benefit lawyers.


  2. Can the people hear from the government or the AG on this matter? We already did. The leader of this government is on record advising a cohort that since he had done nothing wrong”get a lawyer”.As I recalled the supreme court had just demanded that cohort to pay monies owed to a disabled old man. Juxtaposed with the facts of the case that comment lends exposure to the absolute contempt this class is shrouded in.


  3. No one wants to advocate violence but when one accepts the frailty of the human mind it begs the question how long now before the wants are overtaken by needs?


  4. @Caswell

    Do we not have Disciplinary Committees in our jurisdictions?


  5. The staff of the DC as I understand it are under the control of and selected by the Registrar. Other than complain to the Registrar the bar association has little recourse to control staffing the committee and as we all know the government has no money for certain projects. I know the committee had a torrid time with one Clyde Cummins former government lackey of the Urban Development Commission who performed clerking for the committee and acted as a law unto himself when it came to complaints. The Committee is misused by the public.About 75% of complaints are frivolous, i.e I called for my lawyer and he is out of the office or he won’t return my call. As correctly stated in the post many persons have other quicker avenues for recovery but don’t use them. The best way to recover money from an attorney is a theft charge or to pursue the matter in a civil action but many persons cant be bothered. Look at the gentleman who had the issue with the speaker by his own admission he delayed doing anything for several years because the speaker was his friend. I know it is tempting to rake all lawyers over the coals and there are some wicked ones out there but use common sense people, don’t select a lawyer because of perceived popularity. Sadly bajans like too much freeness and will select a politician lawyer that they know do not have the time to be in parliament and run a practice because they think that person can pull strings for them. I have always maintained the worst lawyer is a politician one but we are yet to learn.

  6. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Let’s see what kind of effect this luke warm legislation to stop thieving lawyers actipually have, the bar association need more powers to deal with repugnant lawyers and so do the judges.

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/03/16/govt-acts-to-stop-thieving-lawyers/

    While they are at it, maybe they can also stop the practice some lawyers have of misleading and lying to their clients, taking full advantage of their client’s lack of knowledge of basic law….those types of cretinous lawyers should be immediately disbarred.

  7. Violet C Beckles Avatar
    Violet C Beckles

    All parts of the government of parts of law and order seem to behave like the DBLP government , To much conflict of conflict on all levels ,Many sit on the same boards or tables that are to judge each other, Only thing that change is the NAME of the HEADING,So so many have the same family member or members friends from same schools watching after the robberies in the getaway cars with all the keys for all doors and locks,
    Ghost sounds and papers issue to give appearance that some thing was not done,Being judge over the phone , All things settled by name alone and who when where , who knows who, the pimp title given out for level of crime done, Payment to enter the Sir and Judge side of Protection from what appear to be Law, Movie , LAST KNIGHTS ” GEZZA MOTT”Shows the crimes until a few take them down,

  8. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    If that luke warm legislation does not also include sections criminalizing the conflict of interests too many lawyers on the island practice against their clients, then it can be seen as another slimy pre elections political move to pacify a very angry and victimized, by lawyers, public.

    These actions practiced for decades by the most dishonest lawyers to be found anywhere in the world have the supreme court as a now nonfunctioning entity and the practce of law on the island seen as one person I know said yesterday as “the practice of stupid unintelligent law”.


  9. “The best way to recover money from an attorney is a theft charge or to pursue the matter in a civil action …..”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Ha ha ha
    LOL
    What a joke….

    You mean if yuh don’t have a ‘cell phone’….. ๐Ÿ™‚


  10. The Bar Association seems incompetent. How long will matters continue as they are. I am sure that the time will come when those who have been wronged will take matters into their own hands. Only in this country Barbados can things like this occur. People have lost their monies in CLICO and many have lost their lands to avaricious barbarians call LAWYERS. I hope something is done and done quickly. This country is decaying like ancient Rome..right from within…May God help us.


  11. The most important reform is missing from the draft legislation: Withdrawing money from the clients’ account for any purpose other than that for which it was intended should be a crime in itself. Phillip Nicholls, who is far from the worst, admitted that he and his partners borrowed from the clients’ account and he didn’t seem to think that there was anything wrong with this. The whole mindset regarding the clients’ account has to change.


  12. Committees with their hand out. It’s a civic duty, fund it with donations. What is the case load? What are the results: cases vs guilty vs acquittal, and the sanctions/actions placed on the guilty. If you show positive results you just might attract donors. But show us what the DC has accomplished to date first.

  13. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    In my opinion, the first mistake in constituting the Disciplinary Committee is that the members are practicing lawyers. I well recall a case where a friend of mine complained to the DC about a lawyer. The lawyer’s defence was that he did not do the work because he was not paid for his services.

    The DC sent a copy of the lawyer’s sworn affidavit, making that claim, to my friend who then produced receipts from the lawyer to show that he was paid. You would not guess in a million years how the matter was resolved. The term of that particular committee expired around that time; the lawyer ran in the elections and became the chairman and the case was never heard of again.

    This was many years ago, so I don’t want cast aspersions on the character of any of the recent chairmen.

    Sent from my iPad

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  14. The problem is that most of the high offices in Barbadian judiciary are political offices (courts and bar), not depending on exam marks, professional performance and other merits.

    And by the way. New legislation will not change the course of judiciary here in Bim. You can enact whatever law you want but enforcement of law is usually very, very poor. Adding more persons to DC? Will not help. You need a certain quality of human resources.


  15. @Paula
    The Committee is misused by the public.About 75% of complaints are frivolous, i.e I called for my lawyer and he is out of the office or he wonโ€™t return my call
    ++++++++++
    Your above is incomplete as in โ€œhe wonโ€™t return my call because he/she hasnโ€™t paid me the funds owing for the sale of my propertyโ€™ or โ€œhe/she hasnโ€™t turned over the insurance settlement from my accidentโ€ or โ€œhe/she hasnโ€™t paid the purchaser the funds I gave to him to purchase a propertyโ€ or โ€œhe /she took his payment out of my settlement and I understand the Insurance company paid him/herโ€ or โ€œhe/ she wonโ€™t turn over the papers for the property I purchased years agoโ€ or โ€œhe/she supposed to be working on the probate of my relativeโ€™s will for the last three years and we canโ€™t get in touch with him/herโ€

    Yeah we know the โ€œfrivolousโ€ as in when we call and the Receptionist/Secretary wants to know your identity and when we identify ourselves he/she is miraculously out of the office, yuh see how quickly the โ€œfrivolousโ€ becomes significant?

    BTW how does โ€œfreenessโ€โ€™ appear in any article about Bajan lawyers?


  16. I like Sargeant’s response to Paula. Paula must be either a lawyer or naรฏve.

  17. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    The author of the above article is indeed being dishonest and sounds very much like a lawyer, refusing to address the real, substantial and very NOT FRIVOLOUS existing issues.

    Time to address the real issues and not bullshit fantasies to slither out from taking responsibilty for thieving, unethical, dishonest lawyers and their actions.

    How many decades has the bar association and disciplinary committee been in existence, how many more decades do they need to get it right re locking up and disbarring the dishonest criminal minded lawyers.

  18. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Should read instead:

    The person giving this information to BU re dishonest lawyers and the role of bar association and disciplinary committee is indeed being dishonest and sounds very much like a lawyer, refusing to address the real, substantial and very NOT FRIVOLOUS existing issues.


  19. Sorry, I am a bit confused. Didn’t David write the article?


  20. @Old Baje

    Why are you so easily distracted? We can beat up on the DC but that would be myopic. Yes the DC can find areas to improve on their mandate but other factors must be considered as well. Unlike some others BU is about bringing all the issues to the table and avoid being blindly influenced by an agenda.

  21. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Old Baje…I meant Paula’s post trying to justify the bar association and disciplinary committee ‘s decades old ineffectiveness in ensuring relief for clients ad others victimized by bad lawyers.

    Caswell sums up best the roles both entities have played in favor of the dishonest lawyers and why.

  22. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    More evidence that Stuart is about protecting the corruption.

  23. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    The Piss Poor Prime Minister (3-PM) stated that he will be dealing with the matter of lawyers stealing clients money by putting measures in place that would allow lawyers to deal with lawyers when they steal clients money. In other words, if you steal like the speaker of the chair, do not worry, you will be dealt with by a lawyer. And if you have nuff money and steal, I will call you friend. And if you are former Prime Minister involving in shady deals to get 3.3 million, I will call you outstanding son of the soil. ALL STUART; OUR PISS POOR PRIME MINISTER:


  24. I understand that there is a fundamental difference in the functions of the bar association and the disciplinary committee. The disciplinary committee is intended to be independent of the bar association for obvious reasons. There are several individuals on this site who are so blinded by their hatred and resentment of lawyers that they cannot look at anything objectively. Thankfully I have experience with lawyers both here and overseas and can speak from a position of knowledge. I have dealt with lawyers in the UK and Canada, you don’t get to call those lawyers for free, or drop in unannounced to ask a question or tack on new cases on a previous case. You are billed because a service is being provided, you pay for their time in the same way you pay your doctor when you go in to see him. I read all of Philip Nicholls book I certainly didn’t get the impression that he was saying that it was okay to borrow from the clients account, hence his actions in trying to get his partners to repay what was taken as he was on the hook for it. Sargeant if you don’t know Bajans like freeness you must not live here. If your lawyer steals your money go to the police. That is the function of the police or sue your lawyer. Philip was naive and admits that a lot of their problems came because of poor business practices and ineffective systems in operating their business. As for well well and consequences I have no intention of responding to you… ever. Since David identified your moniker as one of those linked to the naked departure site it certainly put in perspective your stance on a number of issues. I have no intention of even reading your comments so your attempts to shout down or intimidate will not work on me.


  25. @ Paula

    Phillip admits that they only had an overdraft of $100,000 so where else would these euphemistically called “overdrawings” be coming from if not from the clients’ account?


  26. @ Paula

    You say go to the police but often these are complex matters and the attorney has all of the documents. I seriously doubt the willingness and ability of the police to involve themselves in disputes between attorneys and clients.


  27. The bottom line is that the law should be that from the time you touch the clients’ account you have committed a crime.


  28. @Old Bajan

    And that is the law.


  29. @ David

    You mean that is the law right now? They are not allowed to borrow from the account? Please give me the reference number.


  30. @Old Baje

    The academic Jeff Cumberbatch addressed the issue on the 6 March 2016 under the Nicholls blog.

    It is also illegal here, Sarge. It amounts to a breach of the fiduciary relationship that ought to subsist between the parties


  31. @ David

    OK. Now that we’ve established that it is illegal to borrow from the clients’ account the next step is to devise a system of surprise audits. Our current system is based on the premise that all lawyers are honest and would never do such a thing. I used to be in a consumer goods business and I have witnessed lawyers paying for goods with cheques clearly marked “Clients’ Account”


  32. As part of their legal education are lawyers advised how to setup their accounts and office procedures?


  33. @ Old Baje
    OK. Now that weโ€™ve established that it is illegal to borrow from the clientsโ€™ account the next step is to devise a system of surprise audits.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Skippa…. tek it easy!!
    You want the world to come to an end? … surprise audits? …in Barbados?
    You got money to build another Dodds? … in fact …ten?

    Boss, if you were to institute surprise audits (or even ‘not-so-surprised’ ones) we would have to lock up all lawyers in Barbados except about four or five (depending on the notice given for the audit)….
    You would have to lock up many private sector managers and senior staff…
    You would have to lock up almost all the sports leaders… especially the fellows with the Lotto dollars..
    You would have to lock up doctors, plumbers, mechanics … all the politicians… even undertakers…

    Perish the thought…

    Pay David no mind…
    What law what… The use of client funds by lawyers represents nothing more than a disagreement between lawyer and client …and has even happened to Froon…
    All it requires is to ‘get a lawyer’ – (who will have a first hand understanding of his lawyer -client’s dilemma…. ๐Ÿ™‚
    This from the highest source…

    …in any case ‘The Law’ in Barbados only applies to to certain people….


  34. @Old Bajan

    What framework exist to support surprise audits? Only central bank can audit banks.

  35. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    The academic Jeff Cumberbatch addressed the issue on the 6 March 2016 under the Nicholls blog.

    It is also illegal here, Sarge. It amounts to a breach of the fiduciary relationship that ought to subsist between the parties

    see the word “ought”. Listen if this were true, the lawyers would have a separate banking account for each and every client. They don’t. They have a cohobblopot, where monies and out are noted separately in internal books. This is how lawyer A can indirectly access lawyer’s B client funds, for they all end up in the same place. Why A/R can go undetected for years. And IF ONLY the senior lawyer assigned to any client, is the only one who can sign at the financial institution, then one establishes a clear line of cause and effect. It is a pain in the ass, but when persons cannot be trusted, it is the only solution.


  36. @ David

    Financed by BA dues (which would obviously have to go up), an audit firm could visit one lawyer each week (the names could be picked out of a hat to make it random). They would look at the Client Account bank account and ask to see the paperwork associated with large withdrawals (at random). They would also have to contact the purported payees and see if they actually received the money. Obviously checking a few transactions per week would not turn up much, but the chance that it may would be an deterrent to lawyers borrowing from the clients’ account.

  37. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @Old Baje
    that would be an invasion of attorney/client privilege, and an invasion of propitiatory business knowledge (ie) how an attorney sets their fees.

  38. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Paula…you are crazy…David cannot link me to Naked Departure because I have never been linked to the website, I read certain things on it, just like you and David.

    I dont care how many lawyers you visited know or whatever, I was legally trained in the US and a dishonest lawyer is a dishonest lawyer…..Barbados has too many dishonest lawyers for a small island….only an equally dishonest person would try to justify their nasty actions.

    And only a dummy would read my posts and then claim they will never read them, how did you know what I posted.

    David…you really need to bring this proof linking me to Naked Departure…..really, since you are the one started the rumour, not that I care, but it seems people of a certain intellect do…AC and Paula.

    I can guarantee you Sherri Veronica is wondering who the hell I am being accused of being linked to her…when she dont even know me….bring that proof.

  39. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Northern…re attorneys fees, anyone can go to the government printery on Bay Street and get a schedule of attorneys fees, if it still does this, the printery…its not supposed to be a secret unless the attorney is over charging.

  40. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Old Baje…Paula is an idiot or pretending she does not know that the police have to determine if a crime is committed when the tiefing lawyer, pick up the client’s moneyl, because though Jeff claimed this act of stealing client’s funds is ‘illegal’…I know it is not criminalized unless determined by the police, they can and do ignore complaints….violating your fiduciary duties to the client by stealing their money, is a very long jump to criminal…in Barbados, unless determined by the police….having social interactions with lawyers, does not make anyone a lawyer..


  41. I am reading of this account and that account, but on no account should the lawyer be given all of the money. Near the end of the transaction, the lawyer should make the client aware of his/her fees. When the amount of money is decided on, two checks are written; one in the client’s name and the other in lawyer’s.

    I dealt with a lawyer in the US and that was how the transaction was done. Why do we copy everything (from the US) except the good and commonsense things.

    I wish someone could convince me why a lawyer must have control of both his/her and the client funds.

  42. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    If the lawyer is honest, he she would only touch the client’s account to pay the client, personally I do not believe most lawyers on the island are mature or ethical enough to be handling any client’s money…particularly, insurance settlements…they do not even want to pass over the check that is in the client’s name, for goodness sake, some of them, their only intent is to keep the client’s money for themselves, come what may, knowing the client is injured and suffering …what kind of beast would do something like that…

    I really hate when hypocrites pop up trying to deny the level of victimization of clients by attorneys so inclined…particularly when they are well aware it has been ongoing on the island for decades, everywhere you turn on the island someone can tell you they or a relative or someone else was victimized…yet the jokers and enablers want to pretend that it is not so….but how will you stop the exposure when it’s now all coming out in the wash….as it should…hypocrite.

    I am in Toronto one day some years ago talking with a couple…wife was Bajan, the conversation drifted to legal matters, what do you think the couple had to say…only about their bad experience with lawyers in Barbados re their property, so when ya coming to justify, be better prepared.


  43. The ‘draft amendments to the Legal Profession Act’ as reported in Barbados Today, is comparable to the promise of ‘ integrity, transparency, accountability and freedom of information legislation’ promised eight years ago…2008.At that time, it was reported that it “has taken two years and nine months to get to this place where a government MAY actually publish draft FOI and Integrity Legislation for public consideration”. We are still awaiting that legislation! But instead, we were recently told that there is no problem of corruption in Barbados.Let’s face it ! Professionally, members of the legal profession are over-represented in Parliament. Many entered politics because they see it as a means of quick self-enrichment ! Some of them have been accused of professional malfeasance ! Unless aggrieved persons start taking the law into their own hands,( which is to be eschewed), does anyone seriously believe that there will be meaningful change to the Legal Profession Act even WITHIN THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND NINE MONTHS or, for that matter, anytime before we celebrate the centenary of Barbados’ Independence ? We will soon forget about Philip Nicholls’ revelations and return to our accustomed habit of being victims of the many thieving lawyers !


  44. Where there is no justice,even sensible people resort to hooliganism.I have stated a true story on BU when a maverick lawyer was denied access to a computer sent to a company in Bridgetown for repair and the company responsible for the repair withheld the computer for an inordinately long time.The lawyer Ambrose call the company director Brian and tell him in plain bajan…..Gaul bline yuh,u get my effing computer at my house by 10 o’clock tomorrow morning or I gone sen a convict fren ‘o mine that owe me a favour wid orders to break eva one ‘o dem effing show Windows yuh got out dey.
    The computer was returned with hours to spare.


  45. @WW&C
    I hope you do not allow yourself to be silenced. I think you do do a great job on the legal items that are of interest to the average Joe.

    @Gabriel
    Yuh bajan real bad…
    I gih yuh sum help

    Corl bline yuh,u get my effing computah at mi house by 10 oโ€™clock tomorrah morning or I gun sen a convict fren โ€˜o mine that owe me a favah wid orders to break eva one โ€˜o dem effing show Winduh yuh got out dey.

  46. Retribution-things that make me go hum! Avatar
    Retribution-things that make me go hum!

    Lack of resources – bunch of BS, all the thiefing lawyers are friends and have dirt on each other. Pleeeeeeez!!

  47. Retribution-things that make me go hum! Avatar
    Retribution-things that make me go hum!

    @Well, what do you care being linked to ND at least she is ruffling some feathers. This Government want throwing out of Government and all the dishonest business people with them.

    Most people in Barbados is living pay check to pay check and still afraid to bring down the corrupt at their expense – Stupse!!


  48. @David,
    I cannot understand why we (Bajans) with easy access to the Internet, google and yahoo, do not use it, and then they show their ignorance by posting submissions on BU. All they have to do is Google “Solicitors Rules and see what they are required to do; which monies they can hold on to (in trust) etc, etc. All this thing and fringe is tiresome, when the answers are there. At the same time they can look up Judges’ Rules.


  49. @ Northern Observer

    Re: Your 6:02 PM post

    You have a good point about an audit violating attorney-client privilege. Any ideas on how to police these crooks? How is it done up north?


  50. Alvin, the rules may be there, but are they being obeyed? That is the heart of the discussion.

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