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Jeff Cumberbatch - New Chairman of the FTC
Jeff Cumberbatch – New Chairman of the FTC

โ€œThe greatest threat to our Constitution is our own ignorance of itโ€ฆโ€ โ€“ Jacob Roecker

โ€œHow easily men satisfy themselves that the Constitution is exactly what they wish it to be…โ€ โ€“Joseph Story

It would appear that the several jurisdictions in the region or, at least, some of them, have been seized simultaneously with the urge to re-examine their Constitutions and to reform these in some particular or other.

Later this week I am scheduled to participate in a panel discussion in Antigua & Barbuda on that twin stateโ€™s possible accession to the appellate jurisdiction of the Caribbean Court of Justice [CCJ]; an initiative that is to be the subject of an upcoming referendum as is constitutionally required in that jurisdiction and some others, once a delinking from the Judicial Committee of Her Majestyโ€™s Privy Council is contemplated. It is an interesting contrast that no identical procedure was deemed necessary for that latter tribunalโ€™s adoption at the coming into force of the Constitution.

And, as if it were irremovable from the public discourse, the notion of Barbados assuming formal de jure republican status returned last week with some force in a widely-reported panel discussion, despite an earlier and rather emphatic denial by a senior public officer, situated in the office of the Prime Minister no less, that this specific reform was not being considered currently.

On that occasion, one of the more newsworthy items, for obvious reasons -given our penchant for intrigue and the prurient-, proved to be the revelation that there had been an earlier effort to draft a โ€œrepublican Constitutionโ€ for Barbados. In light of this information, most people seemed shocked that so significant a national development could have been undertaken โ€œin secretโ€.

I tend to agree with the popular sentiment to some extent. While I understand, of course, that the draftsmanship of a Constitution is a technical exercise that would be best left to those who may be skilled in the area โ€“that is, the drafting of Constitutions and not necessarily constitutional law-, the very nature of such a document demands intensive public participation in its broad outlines.

The Constitution connotes by definition that it is a document โ€œconstitutiveโ€ of the nation, and is not merely to be treated as any other piece of legislation. It is, otherwise put, a creation of the people, by the people, for the people. Hence their consent to its provisions should sedulously be sought.

I do not agree that this requirement would have been constituted (pardon the pun) by the views expressed to the admittedly wide-ranging Forde Commission. After all, to the best of my knowledge, this body was charged merely with eliciting popular opinion on general constitutional reform, as opposed to the precise elements of the form of governance that would ensue. In other words, once republican status had been considered the desired constitutional arrangement, only then what the international lawyers call the โ€œtravaux prรฉparatoiresโ€ would have assumed pride of place through the determination of the finer points of that arrangement.

Indeed, if memory serves me correctly, the drafting of a โ€œrepublicanโ€ constitution would have been precipitate in any event, since the actuality of this was officially hinged on the outcome of a referendum on a question that naysayers were to quick to seize on and to object to as insulting their โ€œintelligenceโ€ when, as a matter of law and fact, it was the direct answer to that question that would have provided the irreducible minimum of formal republic status. Maybe that was the true reason for the re-drafting of the Constitution โ€“simply to give those persons and their ilk additional fodder on which to vent their monarchical spleen!

I have also been made privy recently to a number of Bills that indicate the contemplation of substantial Constitutional reform in Grenada. According to the Grenada Government Gazette of February 12, 2016, these Bills, all styled Constitution of Grenada (โ€ฆ)(Amendment) Bills, were read for the first time in Parliament in early December last year.

They comprise (i) A Bill to restrict anyone from holding the office of Prime Minister who has held this office for three consecutive Parliamentary terms prior; (ii) A Bill to prescribe a fixed date for general elections; (iii) a Bill to ensure that there is the appointment of a Leader of the Opposition in Parliament even if, as has happened, all the members of the House of Representatives are members of the political party that forms the Government; (iv) A Bill to permit Grenadaโ€™s accession to the appellate jurisdiction of the CCJ; (v) A Bill to provide for the formal re-structuring of the Constitution; (vi) A Bill to change the name of the State from Grenada to Grenada, Carriacou and Petite Martinique; (vi) A Bill to establish an Elections and Boundaries Commission; and (vii) A Bill to refine the Chapter protecting fundamental rights and freedoms; to provide expressly for Directive Principles of State Policy; and to insert a new Chapter on Gender Equality.

These should provide ample material for legal scholars, and political and other social commentators to reflect on. I am especially provoked by the last Bill mentioned above that seeks, inter alia, to increase the kinds of conduct that would constitute discrimination, by adding to the traditionally proscribed grounds, those relating to disability, ethnicity, language and social class; to guarantee the right of a child to education; to require the state to aim at enhancing the supply of food, water and health facilities; and to domesticate relevant treaties.

In this existing climate of formal constitutional change in the region however, it is imperative that citizens become more familiar with the workings of the relevant document. I have often expressed my intrigue in this space at some of the assertions, not all populist or lay, as to what may be contained in the Constitution and what conduct may be contrary to its provisions.

We have had the Bar Association finding therein an express right to work; and relatively recent assertions that it would be unconstitutional for the police to arrest someone on suspicion of him or her being about to commit an offence; that the conferral of a knighthood is included in the Constitution; that the choice of Opposition leader is restricted to members of one political party; that the Attorney General must be a member of the Lower House; and that the Prime Minister may be removed by a simple majority of members of the House that support the government advising the Governor-General of their change of heart. These are all, if nothing else, mythical.

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93 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – A Season of Constitutional Change”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    On that occasion, one of the more newsworthy items, for obvious reasons -given our penchant for intrigue and the prurient-, proved to be the revelation that there had been an earlier effort to draft a โ€œrepublican Constitutionโ€ for Barbados. In light of this information, most people seemed shocked that so significant a national development could have been undertaken โ€œin secretโ€.

    I tend to agree with the popular sentiment to some extent.”

    Just curious Jeff….to which extent don’t you agree, there should be no secrecy re the drafting of the new constitution or it’s content to the public.


  2. @Mr. Cumberbatch, another thought-provoking article. I am wondering how much about the Constitution are citizens exposed to during their formative years. Besides learning about the powers and structures of the three branches of government as part of the social studies curriculum, I cannot recall learning much about our Constitution before reading for a particular degree at university. Is it that we need to do more to acquaint our citizens from small with this document, including teaching children, for example, about the Bill of Rights, the limitations on those rights etc? I completely agree there is pervasive ignorance about our supreme law and until such time that citizens are apprised or make themselves apprised of its contents, debates on constitutional reform will be somewhat superficial or a pursuit for the “select” few.


  3. Here is what was reported, it is scary when you study it.

    “Gollop responded: รขย€ยœI donรขย€ย™t quite support the view that the drafting of any constitution took place in secrecy, because the drafting of a constitution is an academic exercise.รขย€ย Attempting drafting He contended, however, that despite a few persons being selected to draft the document, there was input from Barbadians far and wide. รขย€ยœOne has to consider what preceded that exercise, and there was a prolonged Constitution Review Commission (chaired by Sir Henry Forde) that went the length and breadth of Barbados, went to England, all sorts of places to get the views of Barbadians about what they would like to put in a Constitution. รขย€ยœSo that the drafting of the constitution by however many people in a private place is not something one should look at in exclusion from what took place before that attempt at drafting. รขย€ยœI do not agree that nobody knew what was going on because there was a raging debate across the length and breadth of Barbados about moving towards a republican state.รขย€ย – See more at: http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/78610/albert-brandford-secret-laws-hogwash#sthash.wIe8tDb6.dpuf

  4. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @WW&C, there is no problem with the drafting behind closed doors, As I intimated, drafting is a highly technical exercise and should be left to experts. However, the “instructions for that draft should be the result of a participatory act by the citizenry.

    Alicia, the course you refer to is called “Civics” and includes, besides a study of the Constitution, other matters that might lead to one becoming a better informed citizen of a democracy. The value of a vote for instance.


  5. @Mr. Cumberbatch, when I was a student at an older secondary school which will remain unnamed, civics was not a separate course but a component of the social studies curriculum. I cannot recall being taught anything in it besides the structures and powers of the branches of Government. I am wondering if this is still the case and if so, instead of having civics as part of the social studies curriculum, shouldn’t it be a separate subject once again like it was in the older days?


  6. BU addressed the issue of teaching law/civics:

    Law In Education

    by David on September 24, 2009 in Blogging

    Submitted by BU family member Ignorantia juris non excusat or Ignorantia legis neminem excusat. Translation: โ€œIgnorance of the law excuses nothingโ€. This internationally settled principal of law means that you cannot go and break the law and then tell people, โ€œSorry, but I didnโ€™t knowโ€. The burden is on you to know the law. Does [โ€ฆ]

    75 Comments โ€ข Continue Reading โ†’


  7. Another issue is that in much the same way now that our most recent legislation is being drafted in more “everyday language” and with explanatory notes, shouldn’t we as part of any constitutional reform, redraft the Constitution in language the average citizen can understand? Not everyone has the patience for legalese. We can also have a version with explanatory notes similar to what the US DOJ has done with theirs: https://archive.org/details/TheConstitutionOfTheUSWithExplanatoryNotes


  8. @David, thanks. That article reinforces my argument.


  9. We all agree drafting is technical, the ‘business point’ though is that the government of the day in the interest of being transparent never broached the matter. The people deserved to know. To heap wood on the fire the incumbent never disclosed to continue the cloak of secrecy. The citizens had to hear it as if by accident from a person who is known to be a friend of the Prime Minister.


  10. @Alicia

    Redrafting the Constitution in everyday language is a must but understanding what the document represents calls for the education initiative you mentioned. Ordinary citizens need to be able to quote the Constitution to support everyday living in much the same way an American understand 1st Amendment right is this and 4th Amendment rights is that…

  11. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    David@7:43am: that is exactly what I am saying. And as I wrote, the Forde Commission never addressed the question of whether we should have a Republican constitution and what would have been in it. This was to be a matter of referendum!

    Incidentally, which PM are you referring to?

  12. de Ingrunt Word Avatar
    de Ingrunt Word

    Jeff as you suggest, it is reasonable and practical to draft and put together some sort of meaningful framework document for something so significant even before it might be properly ventilated as an option.

    Whether the public knew that a draft was being done or not fades to nothing, in my view.

    The real and only issue is that any structural governance change would have to be discussed the length and breadth of the country and completely approved. Drafting the doc (secretly or otherwise) and getting public approval of the governance change are different issues completely.

    When Barbados moved to independence one assumes that there was key technical document work being done well before Independence was widely accepted publicly!


  13. @David, I agree. I believe an engaged citizenry requires an enlightened citizenry.


  14. @Jeff

    It is no secret Hal Gollop is a friend of PM Stuart.


  15. @Dee Word

    Whether the public knew that a draft was being done or not fades to nothing, in my view.

    Look how you walk into links early Sunday morning. See Alicia’s last comment.

  16. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    David, I know that. In fact, they shared chambers space in Roebuck St. But it was not Mr Stuart that commissioned the Republican draft.


  17. We also need more players with legal backgrounds like the Jeffs, Alicias et al engaging ordinary citizens to assist with demystifying a discipline that in its original form was meant to be difficult to understand.


  18. @Jeff

    Agreed, BU however has taken the revelation by Gollop to a conclusion.He can sue if he wants ๐Ÿ™‚

  19. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Have you ever heard that an elephant is a mouse made to a committee’s specifications.

    To my mind, there is nothing wrong with preparing a draft and then putting it out there for discussion by the public.

    By the way, not everyone that has an LLB is an expert on legislative drafting or constitutional law; I therefore wonder about the composition of that committee.


  20. @Caswell

    How can the citizens hold a government(s) accountable if a simple transaction like informing there is a committee setup to amend the Constitution is thought to be top secret information?


  21. @ Jeff
    Are we not putting the cart BEFORE the damn horse here?

    What difference does it make what the constitution says if government selectively decides which laws it will obey, ignore, break or misinterpret?
    It is complete idiocy – and a waste of time and resources – to be continually talking about introducing ‘new laws’, ‘changing structures’ or moving to republicanism when officials AT ALL LEVELS routinely flout EXISTING LAWS….We can’t even get a MTW official to enforce anti-flooding laws in Holetown…..

    Cuh Shiite….
    The PM is currently sitting on situations where his ‘friends’ have stolen millions of dollars from CLICO policy holders – and his last comment was related to having a list of investors…

    He advised his Speaker of Parliament to get a lawyer ..because stealing his client’s money was ‘just a disagreement between lawyer and client’ – and apparently, he too has suffered similar…

    The Central Bank has money in safe-keeping that Commercial Banks REFUSE to touch because of legal questions….

    The DPP has been a national embarrassment now for YEARS…without sanction.
    MULTIPLE lawyers have been charged with stealing from clients – with no action from the Bar, the Courts. Parliament ….or from UWI who empowered them…

    Constitutional reform Bushie’s behind…..
    What difference can THAT make…?
    Just to have the politicians ignoring NEW laws…?!!

    Steupssss….

  22. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    David

    Don’t get me wrong. I am not saying that it should be done in secret. All I am saying is that having a draft would give you something to talk about.

    Sent from my iPad

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  23. de Ingrunt Word Avatar
    de Ingrunt Word

    @David at 7:47 AM, that is a very interesting point re Bajan knowing their constitution as Americans know theirs. I too wondered about that when I first visited the US as a student and was confronted with Constitution this, Constitution that. But over the years a few things have crystallized.

    The average American knows the constitution exactly along the lines you noted 1st Am – Free Speech…because they want to do as they like verbally ; 2nd Am: The give me my gun crowd and too the 4th Am. re freedom against unlawful search But of course the big one…pleading the Fifth…no self incrimination!

    In sum, continued awareness from police and crime movies/TV shows. Now let me also state that it is taught specifically in schools unlike here.

    But that fact still holds that many do not know it as well as we sometimes think, particularly beyond the Amendments (and some of the Bill or Rights) and especially beyond those few that are heard most often.

    On the Bajan front the very unfortunate thing is that our politicians trample our constitution badly and very seldom do we have any legal challenges publicly ventilated re constitutional matters.

    All that to say that learning our constitution is vitally important but we need citizens (lawyers) to aggressively challenge the breaches by the government in order to get us on a path to become more ofay and alert to that important document.


  24. @Dee Word

    All that to say that learning our constitution is vitally important but we need citizens (lawyers) to aggressively challenge the breaches by the government in order to get us on a path to become more ofay and alert to that important document.

    Do npt know if it is the water but we are agreeing a lot this morning.

  25. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Bush Tea@ 8:24am, there you go again about UWI “empowering” lawyers. Why do you not blame their day nurseries, primary schools and first degree grantors while you are at it? You do not have a clue about how and when one is admitted to law practice in Barbados, do you?

    And are you suggesting that we should live in a state with no laws, because they are ignored? Or is the remedy their enforcement by the citizens? Thing is, one cannot hide behind a pseudonym and do that. Talk, or blogging, I suppose, is cheap!


  26. @ Jeff
    As soon as Bushie finds a day nursery or primary school that hands out LLBs, rest assured that the whacker will be pointed in their direction too…

    All Bushie is suggesting is that while it may be fun and even intellectually stimulating to discuss technical aspects of ‘The Law’, it is a waste of time …in an environment where no one seriously FOLLOWS the law anyway….

    Surely you get that….

    As to UWI’s responsibility, who better do you see in a position to FOLLOW UP on the ethical, technical and social performance of lawyers ..than the EDUCATIONAL body that empowered them in the first place…?

    Can you imagine the impact …if UWI ROUTINELY had current students producing RESEARCH papers on the performance, ethical approaches and social impact of CURRENT and past lawyers ….as a VITAL part of the student’s preparation (and as a performance check on existing lawyers, as a guide to modifying the teaching and qualification program etc)?

    Or do you REALLY think that we need to wait on the Phillip Nicholls of the world to get FACTS and FIGURES of such an important aspect of our society…?

    Who else do you think could play such a role?
    Primary schools?
    ..day nurseries?
    …the damn Bar Association…?

    steupsss…
    Start the damn program next Semester do…!!!

  27. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Bushy, the LLB is only the half of it. And I do not agree that the research agenda you are pushing is one peculiarly for law students. All regionally trained lawyers, including some on BU’s Hall of Shame, are required to pass courses in (i) Office Management and Accounting and (ii) Ethics. Rights and Responsibilities of the Legal Profession. What do you get when you “put lipstick on a pig”?


  28. Don’t avoid the point Jeff….
    Without the LLB, these people would be relegated to being clerks…..
    With it…. they INEVITABLY go on to be ‘movers and shakers’ in Barbados.
    No LLB…no dice…

    As far as the lipstick goes, …no matter how much lipstick a pig applies, a knowledgeable farmer can assess the real value of the pork…. while clueless spectators may be tempted to look to kiss the nasty pig….
    THIS is why YOU and your knowledge institution has a particular responsibility to routinely assess these pigs and to provide FACTS and STATISTICS that allow innocent onlookers (and the many brass bowls bout here) to be in a position to identify which pigs may be worth kissing up to…. and which ones to sent to market….

    …and come on Jeff man…..
    What ‘pass what courses’ what…?!!
    Wuh Bushie got all A’s back at his university …including courses based on the ‘theory of Evolution’ and many other shiite topics that the Bushman OPENLY scorned…..

    Human Performance control is not only preemptive in nature, …it must also be ongoing and fact based….

  29. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Lol…love it…maybe those courses should extend throughout the years of training, pound them into their heads, but, dont care how many courses you apply, there are lawyers wil stilll find a way to do the opposite.

    Serious criminal laws need to be applied to lawyers who breach the public’s trust….here again, the bar association, disciplinary committee, attorney general, chief justice, DPP, all have to change the current way they view criminal acts committed by attorneys….and administer a no nonsense approach, they too are looking incompetent for not making radical changes to the behaviors being displayed by rotten lawyers.

  30. de Ingrunt Word Avatar
    de Ingrunt Word

    @Jeff, oh dear are you saying that our Bajan attorneys like wearing lipstick! LOL.

    But to Bushie point, the core of it that is, why has the UWI over these many years not used its persuasive power to drive the debate related to legal ethics?

    The matter of partnership/attorney drawings, for example, which was a highlight on another thread is a very straight forward ethical matter.

    Yet, it was suggested by some bloggers that our attorneys abuse it because there is no specific legal rule preventing it.

    Clearly, your ethics course tells the prospective attorneys that using client funds is always a ‘no no’ so why has the UWI not been strong in their public condemnation of these vile practices by their lipstick painted grads?


  31. @Bush Tea

    Why don’t you heap the same opprobrium on people who should know better? Didn’t PM Stuart advise Carrington to get a lawyer and brushed aside ethical and moral concerns raised by the public to him withholding money from a wheelchair bound septuagenarian?


  32. @ David
    @Bush Tea….Why donโ€™t you heap the same opprobrium on people who should know better?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Bushie argues with (and cusses) intelligent people who are able to get the point….

  33. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @DIW, the simple explanation is that the charge of the Faculty of Law is to impart the academic and theoretical aspects of law to those who qualify for admission.So we do not produce lawyers as such, rather we provide the basis that one may use for a career in business, sports management or even legal draftsmanship. Of course, the LLB also provides the basis for professional law practice, although it does ny itself not qualify the holder for admission to the regional Bars. This is a separate course of study and it is at Law School that the individual acquires or should acquire the necessary professional training to practice law.

    You should understand, therefore, my resentment at Bushie’s constant carping that we are somehow to blame for the unethical practitioner. The LLB from Cave Hill may be one condition precedent, but it is no more a sine qua non of the qualification of a lawyer to practice than a previous honours degree or 2 good CAPE qualifications’

    Equally, legal ethics or the condemnation of graduates misusing clients’ funds is no more our preserve than that of any other institution in this sorry abstentionist society….


  34. โ€œDrafting is a technical exercise and should be left to expertsโ€.

    I have been hearing โ€˜this phraseโ€™ all week and it make my blood boil. Let me put in my two cents, even though Caribbeantradelaw has already touched on my point, but I want to be even more explicit.

    โ€œDrafting is a technical exercise and should be left to expertsโ€.
    There is an element of elitism and snobbery in that sentence. I may be wrong, but it strikes as if there is also an appeal to working in secrecy; this secrecy that has made a mockery our processes, governance and law. I will go further and state that our “so called” experts are not โ€œfounding fathersโ€ and what will emerge may be a legal Frankenstein, a cut and paste of several bits of constitutions from here and there. A teenager with access to the internet and Google may produce a similar, if not an identical document.

    It is somewhat amusing how we brag of our literacy rate, and then in a next sentence we indicate that John can read, but he does not understand anything; let us shut him out. One has to look at the lambasting of Naked Departure and even here on BU to see that Barbadians delight in secrecy. Some are so smart or things are so complicated that they have to work on it in secrecy and then presented to our countrymen.

    The average Barbadian has to stop this nonsense dead in its track and try to be involved in every facet of the society that has an impact on them. Lawyers and politicians are treating them like idiots. Acting as if they went up the mountains (and not just a lowly hill) and like Moses they descend with tablets in their hands.

    AS CTL has mentioned, let us educate our children so that they can have full participation in the process. I will admit that those who are charged with drafting this document will need an environment within which they can be productive and work towards it completion, but I cannot accept going up the mountain and toiling in secrecy.


  35. Point of clarification: *lambasting of ND and even here on BU… Two ideas in one– ND is criticized for printing names, and a few on BU areadvocating never going to the press.


  36. Surely you have misrepresented on this issue.

    It is somewhat amusing how we brag of our literacy rate, and then in a next sentence we indicate that John can read, but he does not understand anything; let us shut him out. One has to look at the lambasting of Naked Departure and even here on BU to see that Barbadians delight in secrecy. Some are so smart or things are so complicated that they have to work on it in secrecy and then presented to our countrymen.


  37. @ Jeff
    “…..the condemnation of graduates misusing clientsโ€™ funds is no more our preserve than that of any other institution in this sorry abstentionist societyโ€ฆ.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    If you are prepared to take such a stand, then you are in no position to condemn ANYONE for the present mess in which we find ourselves….

    If you – who understand the conundrums of the law better than almost ANYONE else in the whole region, can wash your hands like pilot…..
    …no wonder that Caswell, who don’t even have the damn LLB, is unwilling to BUP…and serve -despite his OBVIOUS talents….

    Our asses are doomed…!


  38. Of tangential note is Justice Adrian Saunders admonition to Barbados and others that the judiciary is broken:

    http://www.iwnsvg.com/2016/03/03/criminal-justice-system-in-most-caricom-countries-is-broken-judge/

  39. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @ The Gazer, Have you yourself ever tried drafting anything? And I do not at all intend here to be supercilious in any way. When one speaks of drafting legislation, it is trying to put the instructions of the policymakers, whether the citizens or the Cabinet, into English Language. Not any old form but one that expresses as clearly as possible the precise policy so that it might not be subject to too many interpretations.

    For example in your contribution above you equated literacy with the ability to read:

    It is somewhat amusing how we brag of our literacy rate, and then in a next sentence we indicate that John can read, but he does not understand anything; let us shut him out…”

    But is that the interpretation of literacy that most persons have? And what if it is argued by someone that literacy in your piece means both the ability to read and write? But write what? A column? A letter? Drafting legislation is a highly specialized skill that is usually taught at the graduate level.

    Incidentally, do you hold the same opinion about pediatric neurosurgery? Or Economics?


  40. I will never discount the value of an education. But the internet and computer has placed vast amount of resources well within the grasp of the average citizen.

    In the same way that we have moved from a world of witch doctors and natives, we are moving from a world of experts and ordinary citizens. The internet has decreased the knowledge difference between an expert and the ordinary citizen.

    Whilst I would not go to John Doe for a surgical procedure (some has) , I know that John Doe now has access to a great deal of information pertaining to different types of medical procedures or medicine in general and can now ‘challenge’ his physician. In fact, if John Doe does not perform this search, then he is being foolish.

    Let us retreat from the dying world of experts and secrecy and move to sharing information and knowledge. The future is upon us.

  41. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Bushie, I did not know that I was washing my hands of anything. I simply said that it was no more our collective preserve than anyone else’s. I do not resile from that view. What of the Bar Association? The Church? The Chamber of Commerce? Organized labour?

  42. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    That is the same thing I kept explaining to Dee Word, unless there is legislation by the appropriate authorities, the above mentioned, criminalizing lawyers using client’s funds for any reason, even if it is repaid and treating lawyers as criminals for these practices of stealing money, raiding client’s accounts, stealing client’s insurance compensation money, setting up clients to lose their cases because they were bribed by the other side to do so….. instead they treat these lawyers like bosom buddies to be protected, nothing can be done about the practices…..no one else can do anything.

    Displaying a lack of ethics and morals when practicing law is a conscious, individual decision, because of this brotherhood nonsense in the legal fraternity on the island, it morphed into the pack mentality, something to be broken by the authorities.

  43. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    “Let us retreat from the dying world of experts and secrecy and move to sharing information and knowledge. The future is upon us”.

    I am with you 100% on this. Indeed, I dedicate my life to being a public scholar. At the same time, professional expertise also includes the ability to discriminate among the vast array of uninformed opinion masquerading as “knowledge” out there in cyberspace!

  44. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @David, there is one saying :aw degree too! My point exactly!

    http://www.giftwrappedandgorgeous.co.uk/please-do-not-confuse-your-google-search-with-my-law-degree-mug-18753

  45. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    There is nothing to compare to having the actual discipline, whether it’s legal, medical, etc. How one uses the knowledge is quite a different matter…..in saying that, the public also need to do continued research and share information tirelessly…because the tools are available.


  46. I will not call the names of indivuals, for when I do I have omitted the names of those that I enjoy reading their post.

    As this is Jeff post, I can state that I delight in reading his contributions.

    Jeff, I am going to expose my flank, but I am hoping that you go for the jugular and not for obvious flaw.

    I wish to assert that Caribbean law is a dead subject. Indeed, as much lipstick as you have slapped on it, it remains a dead pig. This is why Bushie and you engage in the same repetitive combat. Bushie sees a living animal, that can be trained to deliver a higher quality of pork But alas, Cave Hill is repackaging the same old material and letting it loose on the citizens of Barbados. ๐Ÿ™‚

    I hope you smile as you give me the courtesy of a reply.


  47. I should have added .. ” No disrespect is intended”.
    I just felt that (1) relatively small population (2) small economy and (3) our history and dependency on the British limits the amount of “life” in our judicial system. The sporadic twitch that we experience now and then should not be confused with life , but

  48. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    Smile ever present for you, Sir! ๐Ÿ™‚

    I do not understand what you mean by Caribbean law being a dead subject though. Do you mean instead the legal profession? If so, then I must remind you as I do so often Bushie that we DO NOT let it “loose on the citizens of Barbados. :-)” We merely certify them as being academically competent to pursue professional legal training…that is all!


  49. @ Jeff..
    What of the Bar Association? The Church? The Chamber of Commerce? Organized labour?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    LOL …don’t make sport now man….

    …in addition to TheGazer’s point about ‘living animal that CAN be trained’, UWI happens to be unique in the following ways…
    ..It happens to have YOU on board as a resource
    ..It is an opportunity to make future training MORE relevant
    ..It would be a RESPECTED, unbiased and trusted source for the data produced
    ..It provides a WHOLE NEW area of relevance for UWI with similar potential in other specialised areas such as engineering, management, sport etc…

    The Bar association is what we have now …. Crooks monitoring themselves
    The Church is a waste of everyone’s time…. as long as they have their tax free status
    Organised Labour? …LOL …what the hell is that? …ya mean Caswell?

    UWI or bust Jeff… ๐Ÿ™‚

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