Morality in the Absence of God

Submitted by Charles Knighton

PTSDIn the Nation of January 12, Mark Boyce in an article called Time We Let Go Of Flogging pointed to Sweden as a place that has abolished flogging and is a better society, with less theft, drugs, rape, murder and so on. But he didn’t mention that the Swedes have almost completely driven God out of their lives.” Be Our Guest column “In favour of corporal punishment by Daley Reneldo Reece, January 22.

We can always be sure of three things whenever a writer favours corporal punishment:

  1. The claim will be made that no causal effect exists between corporal punishment and subsequent aggressive behaviour exhibited by the victim of said punishment.
  2. We will be reminded of Proverbs 23:13-14.
  3. The writer will declare that despite the “hot licks” received as a youngster, he or she became a citizen of good character.

What these individuals seem unable to grasp is the known fact that similar stressors in life affect people differently. It has been estimated that approximately 23 percent of US military personnel who served in the Iraq and Afghan wars suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. Even though experiencing similar stressors, about three-quarters don’t demonstrate PTSD symptoms and go on to lead productive lives. Knowing that, can we not assume that a percentage of those victims of corporal punishment will come to display deviant behaviour, while a large majority will not? If such an outcome is even possible, corporal punishment should cease.

As to the Eurobarometer poll cited in the same article, that just 18 percent of Swedes believe there is a god, I say bravo to their becoming doubly enlightened. I continue to read in the papers and hear on the radio good and anxious people asking how we would teach morality in the absence of God. This question has two implications. It first shows a lack of confidence among believers, as if they half know that faith is weak, and suspect that morality might also be so. Second, it insults unbelievers, as if we infidels might at any moment give ourselves over to slaughter and pillage.

The working assumption undergirding such a question is that we should have no moral compass if we were not somehow in thrall to an unalterable and unchallengeable celestial dictatorship. What repulsive nonsense. Such a question constitutes a radical attack on the very concept of human self-respect. It does so by suggesting that one could not do a right action or avoid a wrong one, except for the hope of a divine reward or the fear of divine retribution.

While the Swedes may seem avant-garde to many, they have actually reverted to the long-held belief of many philosophers: Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.

103 comments

  • In order for there to be ‘OUGHT’ there must first be ‘IS’

    • If everything ultimately must be explained by the laws of physics and chemistry, help me understand what a moral value is (does it have mass, occupy space, hold a charge, have wavelength)?

    • How did matter, energy, time and chance result in a set of objective moral values? Did the big bang really spew forth “love your enemy?” If so, you have to help me understand that.

    • What makes your moral standard more than a subjective opinion or personal preference? What makes it truly binding or obligatory? Why can’t I just ignore it? Won’t our end be the same (death and the grave) either way?

    The old atheists did not want to have to face questions like these, so they simply denied the reality of objective moral values. The new atheists have thrown the door open. Let’s not make it easy for them. Let’s ask the hard questions in a winsome and engaging way.

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  • More nonsense from David. We have seen where atheism takes us. The Soviet Union. Stalin. China. Mao. North Korea.
    Human decency is an occasional impulse for most. The vast majority of people are predators, and without religion, they will behave like animals competing in an ecological system for scarce resources.
    And for God’s sake stop looking to Sweden for progress. The Caribbean must never become an androgenous society of same-sex marriages and effete, passive men.

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  • “Had Derby well whipped, and made Egypt shit in his month” from the diary of Thomas Thistlewood in reference to a negro slave who had the audacity to consume some sugar cane (Parker, 2011).

    The systemic practice of corporal punishment was institutionalised and became a learned behavioural norm on the plantation. The “enlightened” slave master certainly knew how to dish it out on his negro field slaves.

    Should we be so surprised that corporal punishment is still used as a tool of punishment in the Caribbean?

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  • @ David, I am currently reading a book called The Sugar Barons – Family, Corruption, Empire and War.

    Why has the corporal punishment method as practised by the European colonist been airbrushed out of Caribbean history. Do you not think that we in the Caribbean could learn an awful lot about ourselves if only we had the courage to candidly explore our past ?

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  • I saw this article as food for Zoe. Don’t feed the Zoes.

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  • @Exclamer re “Why has the corporal punishment method as practiced by the European … Do you not think that we in the Caribbean could learn an awful lot about ourselves if only we had the courage to candidly explore our past ?”

    Correct me if I am wrong with the interpretation of your comment above, but why does our introspection start with the period of slavery…particularly the absolute perversion of contorting the heinous act of the sadistic flagellation with the continuing debate on corporal punishment.

    No doubt we have internalized and adopted many of the practices and habits of our ‘jailers’ but we have also reclaimed and restated over the many years several of the practices, traditions and habits of our kith and kin from Africa (Note, parental or school flogging can in no way be practically equated to the flagellation by slave masters).

    Yet we are very different because there has been a blend of the two cultures that ‘unfortunately’ had set us apart as the generations evolved from those original arrivals.

    So of course there should be no fear of introspection…if we are honest in our appraisals of our ancestral homeland even as we revisit the lengthy period of imprisonment and all that came with it appropriately.

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  • de Ingrunt Word January 24, 2016 at 3:53 AM #

    Correct me if I am wrong with the interpretation of your comment above, but why does our introspection start with the period of slavery…particularly the absolute perversion of contorting the heinous act of the sadistic flagellation with the continuing debate on corporal punishment.

    The symbol conjure /relive those moments of resentment felt by our forefathers and delivered in the most inhumane ways against an humane being Now for the black race to adopt or reinforce those symbols tangible or intangible is another form of psychological entrapment
    Any symbol or gesture that reminds the black race of the dark days of slavery is not a step forward and should be removed from the mind body and soul with quickness

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  • @ Exclaimer
    Hard work was also an institutionalised aspect of the Plantation days.
    Are you also suggesting that we adopt ‘liming’ as a sensible cultural response?

    The book is about albino greed….not morality.
    Indeed the main lesson from that book is the similarity between the 18th century sugar barons and the 21st century Digicel /Flow/ Emera barons…. and the apparent ongoing inability of black brass bowls to open their eyes and see…and their ears to hear.

    Our asses deserve to be flogged again…for such monumental folly.

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  • @Bush Tea

    You understand it well. We have moved from physical slavery and the chattel approach to economic slavery. See who controlled the finance companies both banks and non banks. Not to forget other companies that support. Look at the reluctance by Blacks to support both White and Black businesses. Our minds are still shackled.

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  • We have moved from physical slavery ” that is a dam lie! the black and less fortunate still over worked and under paid by the big white corporations

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  • The following link should serve to educate the dullards what is meant by physical slavery compared to mental/economic slavery.

    https://ehappy.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/we-are-physically-free-but-mentally-enslaved/

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  • really a link to explain to a black and to educate what is meant by physical slavery and mental/economic slavery are you kidding me, really ! Everything in context and mostly having to do with one’s life experiences . i can show you a link where people are still working hard for nothing at the expense of physical as well as economic slavery /bro don/t give me that intellectual bull sh.t

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  • Bro u fu up the world in your eyes ight have moved somewhere further along but the very same systems that keep some races poor and underpriveleged are still in placed every so often revisited and tweeted to protect the wealth of a few . Physical slavery is still alive and well but better disguise and more organized

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  • Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.

    A very true statement and each society develops and redevelops its decency/morality over time,as tribes conmingle and priorities change……that has always been the way of the world untill it was hijacked by religion.

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  • Indeed, Vincent, and religion may be used, misused or abused to effect the worst inhumanities. The connection is tenuous at best.

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  • Bro have you ever heard the term : pull yuhself up by the boot straps” Do you know what is the real meaning and to who it was referred” do you know that the same term is widely used today by those who owned and control the most wealth… (needless to say most of it stolen or inherited) to those who can not even buy a boot strap farther-less a boot . That is a reality of physical slavery when an individual in this modern day cannot survive off one job but when a few can control in excess off the physical labor of certain groups and races around the world
    Bro you must count your blessing they might be many/ when compared to the masses who have nothing not even enough energy after a hard day of physical work to even tie the boot

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Vincent Haynes January 24, 2016 at 9:10 AM
    “A very true statement and each society develops and redevelops its decency/morality over time,as tribes conmingle and priorities change……that has always been the way of the world untill it was hijacked by religion.”

    So the Age of Aquarius is beginning to pour down its early watery effects of Enlightenment on the spiritual state of monkey man.
    The recent ‘probable’ discovery of another planet estimated to be 10 times the size of Gaia should tell you something.

    Here is a ‘snidbit’ of what’s in store.
    The Internet will become the modern-day God and its religion(s) will be promulgated through its ‘holy book’ called social media.
    Put that in your pipe and smoke it like the real weed, Dear Vincent!

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  • millertheanunnaki January 24, 2016 at 9:55 AM #

    Chuckle……nothing to doubt in your above…..humanoids must always find a way to mash up…

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  • @Vincent

    You first position can’t be refuted by anyone, racism, prejudice, bigotry, yardfowlism are all man made constructs. If is unfreezing them and charting a new way that should be occupying our time. Let us move on from the sandlot rehashed positions a few here feel comfortable retreating.

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  • How can persons – namely Vincent and Jeff, who confess to total ignorance about God, spirituality and religion, be so dogmatic in disputing the pre-eminent role that these play in the establishment of human decency?
    None of the leading scientists in this world (and that includes Bushie) risks to claim a through understanding of man’s consciousness. A leading researcher in brain science recently confessed TOTAL ignorance of how exactly the brain relates to personality, memories, love, emotions etc…. and expressed total amazement that a few nondescript brain cells can represent such exhaustive qualities.

    There appears to be an unexplainable, unearthly component that defines that aspect of man, as opposed to ANY other living entity.

    In fact, without God, not only can there be no morality…. there could be no ANYTHING.

    Wunna just lucky that Bushie just overhauled the whacker; loaded up new string; and got everything polished up and shiny…… and reluctant to nasty um up right now with this kinda shaving cream….
    Check back tomorrow …. 🙂

    Cat piss and pepper…

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  • David January 24, 2016 at 10:04 AM #

    Without any emperical evidence,my feeling is that these traits are the responsibilty of a particular rogue gene(s) which would also include killing and can be found in all creatures.

    Logically the purpose of all creatures,of which we are one,on earth is to multiply and die,strangely enough no role has ever been identified for us to be part of the eco-system,which allows for speculation as to our presence here and if we like miller came from somewhere else.

    Note all of the above is pure speculation other than the multiply and die bit.

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  • @Vincent

    Le the discussion continue brother!

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  • @Bush Tee
    None of the leading scientists in this world (and that includes Bushie) risks to claim a through understanding of man’s consciousness.
    ++++++++++
    Thanks for giving me a hearty laugh today, why include others as leading scientists when you could grab the whole hog all by your lonesome.

    Modest aren’t we all

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  • @Sargeant

    It appears you do you level best to stoke the ire of the bushman…lol.

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  • So David please tell all and sundry How does a mind become unfrozen after many years of being indoctrinated with all that which you have mentioned . Please note that yardfowlism is an exception rather than the rule simply a political football which garners attention and subject to many changes depending on whose interest it serves

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  • @ David
    That is the wont of NCOs…. making mock sport at the officers behind their backs…
    Secretly – of course you know that they revere the commissioned officers….

    @ Sargeant
    Bushie was just being honest…. and modest… yes…
    Not that it really counts for much in a world of brass bowlery…
    but if only you knew just how much Bushie knows…. 🙂

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  • Vincent Haynes January 24, 2016 at 12:13 PM #

    Logically the purpose of all creatures,of which we are one,on earth is to multiply and die,strangely enough no role has ever been identified for us to be part of the eco-system,

    Really ! and what do you think happens to our decaying dead bodies there is where the humans role become important to the preexistence of other forms of life which starts in the ecosystem , man is basically earth composed with all the natural elements and composite that generates life formation

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  • Which came first – the chicken or the egg? We speak with such certainty when we have NO PROOF either way.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Vincent Haynes January 24, 2016 at 12:13 PM
    “Logically the purpose of all creatures,of which we are one,on earth is to multiply and die,strangely enough no role has ever been identified for us to be part of the eco-system,which allows for speculation as to our presence here and if we like miller came from somewhere else.”

    What you postulate makes for good discussion.
    Are you implying we are no different in the grand scheme of things as any other life form on this speck of rock and water in some far-flung corner of a distant quadrant of some galaxy nicknamed Mary’s Womb?

    Is that why humans must eat, sleep and fo*p, piss and shit to survive?
    That’s only 98% of the human make up, just like the bonobo chimp.

    The other 2% genetically-modified DNA allows human to gaze at the stars and wonder. It also allows humans to point to or look up in awe when referring to their gods. It allows humans to want to travel to distant “worlds” in the heavens to meet their genetic ‘modifiers’.

    Now cogitate on these ponderous things, Dear Vince.

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  • LOL @ Miller
    2%…?
    TWO percent ???

    …you almost as bad as Stinkliar with the fractions boss…

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  • millertheanunnaki January 24, 2016 at 2:04 PM #

    Chuckle….ole scout,I must agree with BT it is quite a bit more than 2%.

    From the Dawn of the humanoid civilisation on earth,we has been lookin to the skies sensing an affinity to something out there,we have never been able to quantify it,some are agnostic like me and await proof of such magnitude that one is convinced whilst some conclude that nothing from nothing is nothing and others go mad on burning bushes and invent all sorts of gods.

    Mans quest only ends at death.

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  • @David

    Bushie’s outlandish statements make him an easy target, I hold back on so many things.

    BTW you once claimed that Bushie was a mover and shaker in Bajan civil society I can only presume he knows where the brass bowls are buried since he was responsible for creating many of them.

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  • @Sargeant

    Don’t be fooled!

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  • The agnostic has built a protective shield of denial in their avoidance of having to believe or an endeavor the pursuit of God . No one who has set foot on this earth with an ability to comprehend life with all its good and with all its bad has not at any single moment in time pursue a quest for an image of God
    By nature man are adventurers problem solvers and always seize the opportunity to look inwardly as well as outwardly and as far away that the mind can take us seeking answers
    The question of belief is entirely up to mans perception or acceptance of who we are and where we are going

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  • @ David
    Why don’t you leave Sargeant? He may be on to something…

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  • What do creationists believe? On Day Five of Creation Week, God created “every winged bird according to its kind” (Genesis 1:21). God created mature birds with the ability to reproduce. So the bird was first, ready to lay eggs.

    The Fossil record, repeatedly, confirm the Genesis Creation account; not one transitional Fossil has ever been found.

    This IS* empirical science evidence, factual evidence, that ALL life on earth were Created by Almighty God.

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  • @ de Ingrunt Word January 24, 2016 at 3:53 AM,

    There exists a lexicon of words and phrases used specifically within the Caribbean region to describe levels of aggression that an individual may utilise to describe a form of punishment against another.

    “Man put some lashes on her”
    “Box her down”
    “You are going to get a beating when your father comes home”
    “Give her some licks”
    To put someone under heavy manners.

    Such language is primordial and savage. The art of communication becomes lost and the narrative will conclude with an act of violence.

    When I was growing up one of our neighbours was Jamaican. They had a habit of beating their kids with an electrical wire!

    This learned habit that we refer to as corporal punishment was not picked up from our African ancestors. Rather it was ingrained in our ancestor’s consciousness through their brutalisation on the plantation by white Europeans.

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  • The onus is on the BU Cretins to produce science based evidence to refute Creation!

    Not speculation, and fairy tales, based on science FICTION!

    BTW, religion(s) ALL of them from antiquity, FALSE religions, came to utter ruination.

    The only ancient religious Worldview, across comparative difficulties, premised on warranted credible evidence and facts is The Historic Judeo/Christian Worldview.

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  • Why is it so difficult to understand that a parent,a teacher,a mentor when unable to reason with their charge,revert to the humanoids base response of violence.

    We are that way programmed.

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  • @Zoe,
    There is a subject called Comparative Anatomy.

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  • Alvin Cummins January 25, 2016 at 6:31 PM #

    @Zoe,

    There is a subject called Comparative Anatomy.

    Alvin, Comparative Anatomy, does NOT = Common Descent, but rather, Uncommon Descent, by SAME designer, using similar functional biological aspects; that why the Fossil record, still say NO, as not one transitional fossil has ever been found; they ALL appear abruptly, that IS* fully FORMED, as they ALL were Created in the first place!

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  • what were the similarities and differences between the Bentley the Morris Oxford and the Austin Cambridge

    were these not because these cars were made by the same people?

    if men could do this, could not God do the same or better

    There is a subject called Comparative Anatomy my big toe

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  • @Georgie Porgie, and Zoe
    ,
    Why do you have one big toe on each foot? Why not 10 big toes?
    Horses once had five toes on each foot. They became fused into one hoof. Lots of other evidence for evolution.
    Question. Who made God the first?

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  • the Bentley the Morris Oxford and the Austin Cambridge were made on the same chassis and made by men
    these cars had their similarities and differences
    BUT IGNORANT MEN DONT THINK THAT GOD CAN MODIFY THE SAME PRINCIPLS TO MAKE MAMMALS THE WAY THEY ARE

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  • God ways are higher than mans so why would God use man principles to create or modify his creations

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  • @Alvin
    …so Boss, when you passed by Coverley and saw those lotta houses looking “samie- samie” …did that suggest to you that the whole thing evolved? ……or that the DLP Trinity of Jerkham, McMoney and Lashes were behind the whole thing….?

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  • @Alvin,

    If Evolution is true, taking place over MILLIONS of years, gradually transitioning from Microorganisms to Fish; then from Fish to Reptiles; from Reptiles to Mammals, then to Man, is it not logical, to expect to find, as Darwin presumed MILLIONS of transitional FOSSILS, embedded in the rocks, etc, etc?

    But, the contrary empirical EVIDENCE of the Fossil record, over and over again, emphatically confirm the Creation Model every time!

    Do you have any idea how vastly complex a single cell organism IS? This is what Darwin claimed started out as life on earth; he was obviously not aware of the complexity of a single cell organism!

    If evolution did occur, it can ONLY be by the discovery of FOSSILIZED remains of representative samples of those intermediate types, which have been postulated by evolutionists scientists.

    In other words, the really crucial evidence for evolution MUST be provided by paleontologist, whose business it is to study the evidence of the fossil record.

    They KNOW that the FOSSILIZED remains, do NOT lend any support to the THEORY, not fact of evolution. So what do they then do?

    They fabricate all kinds of pseudo-science JARGON, that has NO bases in TRUE science, to try to keep alive a DEAD theory, which is really an philosophical IDEOLOGY, ( NOT science at all!) of rabid atheism, haters of Almighty God and His Omnipotent Created order of ALL life on earth.

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  • By studying each member of the ‘toe vestiges,’ we can discover fingerprints of the Divine Creator and gather evidence to refute Darwin’s false assumptions.

    The Hoof

    The equine hoof—a testimony to design
    The hoof, or equine foot, is vital to a horse’s existence. This horny structure is located on the very end of a horse’s leg. Hooves play such a crucial role in the health and well-being of the horse that the old adage, ‘No hoof, no horse’ is true.

    To study the equine foot uncovers a structural wonder which causes farrier, veterinarian, and layman alike to marvel. Here are just some of the tasks the hoof is designed to perform:

    Absorb shock.
    Provide traction.
    Assist the heart in pumping blood.
    Resist wear and fracturing.
    Protect the sensitive structures within the hoof wall.
    Support body weight. (Front hooves carry 60% and rear hooves 40% of the actual body weight.)
    Conduct moisture throughout the hoof wall.

    Horses NEVER had toes, as these stupid evolutionists contend, NONSENSE!

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  • A recipe must have a chef, a portrait must have a painter, and a creature must have a Creator. As Christians, we can rejoice that humans and all other creatures are not remnants of thoughtless evolution, but creatures skillfully designed by our Lord and Creator.

    As Revelation 4:11 declares, ‘Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created ALL things, and for thy pleasure they are and were CREATED.’

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe January 26, 2016 at 8:39 PM
    “They KNOW that the FOSSILIZED remains, do NOT lend any support to the THEORY, not fact of evolution. So what do they then do?
    They fabricate all kinds of pseudo-science JARGON, that has NO bases in TRUE science, to try to keep alive a DEAD theory, which is really an philosophical IDEOLOGY, ( NOT science at all!) of rabid atheism, haters of Almighty God and His Omnipotent Created order of ALL life on earth.”

    We can now see why Noah took two donkeys with no hooves into the Ark. So that their asinine vestiges can be found today in the fossilized brain of a jackass called Zoe.

    Yes paleontologists “fabricate all kinds of pseudo-science JARGON” just like how pseudo-Christians like you have fabricated (and stolen) all sorts of myths and legends stolen from early civilizations and even recently from Paganism and Mithraism.

    Of course you, Zoe, would dismiss any scientific evidence that supports the occurrence of an ice age more than 6,000 years ago.
    You would also reject the ‘fossil’ evidence of the woolly mammoth which Noah refused entry into his Ark in case it interbred with his prized elephants and left to die on the frozen steppes of Siberia and Alaska.

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  • @Miller, below are my CHALLENGES to YOU early in the New Year, which you CANNOT refute with any sound science methodology; so what do you do?

    As usual, Miller, you now come again with more Ad Hominem attacks, as you CANNOT offer any substantive facts or evidence in defense of your NAKI-NAKI fables, or against the science FACTS and EVIDENCE, confirming the Bible, God’s Word.

    Come on Miller, get real, be intellectually HONEST, if that’s possible at ALL; and deal with the EVIDENCE of TRUE science, OR, REFUTE, which you CANNOT!

    Zoe January 8, 2016 at 6:53 PM #
    @ Miller, come on NAKI, instead of asking silly questions about Leviticus 15, I CHALLENGE you AGAIN, to deal with my post as of Jan 4, 2016 @ 7:28 AM.

    REFUTE these points as listed below, historically, by sound science methodology, NOT with OUT any substantive facts as YOU always do; and rhetorical NONSENSE!

    Waiting to hear from you NAKI!

    Zoe January 4, 2016 at 7:28 AM #
    @ Miller, Evolution, is a Philosophy, NOT a Science, it is pseudo-science.

    Miller, this post @ 7:28 AM# dealt with “The finding of pliable blood vessels, blood cells and proteins in dinosaur bone is consistent with an age of thousands of years for the fossils, not the 65+ million years claimed by the paleontologists.”

    Once again, Miller, you CANNOT answer to the TRUE science of these FACTS, which clearly reveal that Dinosaurs lived THOUSANDS of years ago, consistent with Creation, and NOT 65+ million years as claimed by bogus paleontologists!

    Zoe January 4, 2016 at 7:52 AM #
    Dinosaurs – a Powerful Testimony for Creation.

    Sensational dinosaur blood report!

    “It is of course much less of a surprise to those who believe Genesis, in which case dinosaur remains are at most only a few thousand years old.”

    What are you, Miller, going to do with these TRUE science FACTS? Keep dogging the TRUTH!

    Zoe January 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM #
    What growth rate is needed to get six billion people since the Flood?

    “It is relatively easy to calculate the growth rate needed to get today’s population from Noah’s three sons and their wives, after the Flood. With the Flood at about 4,500 years ago, it needs less than 0.5% per year growth.6 That’s not very much.”

    Miller, REFUTE this? Go ahead, I CHALLENGE YOU to REFUTE the calculations which bring us down to get today’s population from Noah’s three sons and their wives, AFTER the Flood! Entirely consistent with God’s Word, the Bible!

    Zoe January 4, 2016 at 9:25 AM #
    Mitochondrial Eve and biblical Eve are looking good: criticism of young age is premature
    by Carl Wieland

    “Creationists have enthusiastically welcomed the ‘mitochondrial Eve’ hypothesis (i.e. that all modern humans can be traced back to one woman) because it clearly supports biblical history and contradicts evolutionary scenarios.”

    So, Miller, because you honestly CANNOT deal with above posts, which rest ON True science methodologies, substantiating the Bible, you then in YOUR typical red-herring distractives, now come AGAIN, with the SAME foolishness, referring to Numbers 31: 7, 17-18, and Deuteronomy 20:16, ALL of which I have ALREADY answered in its proper Old Testament context of the ancient PAGAN nations, with whom God HAD to deal with accordingly, in His Righteousness and Holiness, NOT vindictiveness, which you will NEVER understand!

    Come on Miller, get real, be intellectually HONEST, if that’s possible at ALL; and deal with the EVIDENCE of TRUE science, OR, REFUTE, which you CANNOT!

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe January 27, 2016 at 10:45 AM

    And here is my counter challenge to you.

    Do you think the theory and evidence on which the “Science” of Biology is based is also false and misleading?
    If so why would you allow your children (if any) to study Biology at school?
    In order to become a rich well respected doctor of medicine hiding behind a dog collar of religious mumbo-jumbo?

    BTW, Mr. Red-herring, you still have not dealt with the issue of the ice age and the woolly mammoth. Did both exist in Earth’s past?

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  • The post-Flood rapid ice age

    Mammoth remains in the northern hemisphere are associated with events during the ice age. However, uniformitarian ice age models cannot explain the mammoths, or even the ice age itself.

    The August 18–25, 1997, issue of US News & World Report had a long series of articles on eighteen great mysteries of science. One of those mysteries is: ‘What causes ice ages?’ The June 1996 issue of the popular earth science magazine Earth, reported on a new theory of the ice age. Daniel Pendick89 starts his article titled ‘The dust ages’ by saying: ‘If they hadn’t actually happened, the ice ages would sound like science fiction’. However, the unique creationist post-Flood ice age offers a reasonable solution for the mammoth mysteries.

    Fig 4: Effect of volcanic dust on cooling of continental interiors
    Figure 4. Effect of volcanic dust on cooling of continental interiors. Straight lines are solar radiation, partly reflected back to space by dust and aerosols. Wavy lines are infrared radiation. The result is the inverse of the greenhouse effect.

    The ice age was caused by the climatic aftermath of the Genesis Flood.55 As a result of this great tectonic and volcanic upheaval, the stratosphere would have held great quantities of dust and aerosols immediately after the Flood.

    Copious post-Flood volcanism would have reinforced the polluted stratosphere. Thus sunlight would have been partially reflected back to space from the volcanic products trapped in the stratosphere (Figure 4). Less sunlight would have meant cooler land surfaces, as was observed at various locations after the great volcanic eruption in ad 535.90

    During the Flood, warm water from the ‘fountains of the great deep’ would have produced a warm post-Flood ocean. Evaporation would be much greater at mid and high latitude than today due to the much warmer water. Copious evaporation close to the ice sheets would have been most favourable for their rapid growth. After many centuries, once the oceans cooled, the ice sheets would have melted rapidly. Many other aspects of the ice age have been estimated, including the average thickness of the ice sheets, the length of the ice age, the number of ice ages. http://www.creation.com

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  • Mammoth population explosion

    Was there enough time for the mammoth population to increase to millions by the end of the post-Flood ice age? We can estimate the mammoth growth after the Flood by examining the reproductive habits of African elephants, a good analogue.

    The elephant reproductive rate can vary significantly.92 Elephants do not reach sexual maturity until age 10 to 23. They live 50 to 60 years. Eltringham94 states that generally, elephants produce a calf at intervals of four to five years with twins 1.35 % of the time. However, some have suggested that elephants can give birth every two to three years, and there is a case of a zoo elephant giving birth two years and five months after its first birth.

    The reproductive rate is especially enhanced in a favourable environment as when the population is low or the animals are being hunted regularly. There are no natural enemies for a mature elephant, except man, but calves are subject to predation.So, mammoths have the potential to increase rapidly following the Flood.

    Based on doubling rates of 10 years and 25 years observed in Africa, there would be (assuming ideal circumstances with no predation or calf mortality) 2.1 million mammoths in 300 years or 8 million mammoths in 550 years, respectively. In other words, there should be no problem for the population of woolly mammoths to reach many millions toward the end of the ice age some 600 years after the Flood.

    The post-Flood rapid ice age would have had milder winters and cooler summers with little if any permafrost, mainly because the Arctic and North Pacific Oceans were warm, and ice-free. It would not have been the formidable landscape observed today or deduced from uniformitarian ice age expectations. Since the lowlands of Beringia were not glaciated, another uniformitarian conundrum, Beringia would have been a favourable environment for many mammals. http://www.creation.com

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  • @Miller, your turnaround accusation WON’T cut it man, deal with the FACTS and EVIDENCE of true Science, not evolutionary fables and tales, blatant LIES of neo-Darwinism!

    Come now NAKI, what about the PLIABLE BLOOD VESSELS, BLOOD CELLS and PROTEINS in Dinosaur bones, entirely consistent with Creation, THOUSANDS of years ago, NOT Millions NAKI, your monkey brain is clouded in a MAZE of unsubstantiated science FICTION!

    Zoe January 4, 2016 at 7:28 AM #
    @ Miller, Evolution, is a Philosophy, NOT a Science, it is pseudo-science.

    Miller, this post @ 7:28 AM# dealt with “The finding of pliable blood vessels, blood cells and proteins in dinosaur bone is consistent with an age of thousands of years for the fossils, not the 65+ million years claimed by the paleontologists.”

    Once again, Miller, you CANNOT answer to the TRUE science of these FACTS, which clearly reveal that Dinosaurs lived THOUSANDS of years ago, consistent with Creation, and NOT 65+ million years as claimed by bogus paleontologists!

    Zoe January 4, 2016 at 7:52 AM #
    Dinosaurs – a Powerful Testimony for Creation.

    Sensational dinosaur blood report!

    “It is of course much less of a surprise to those who believe Genesis, in which case dinosaur remains are at most only a few thousand years old.”

    What are you, Miller, going to do with these TRUE science FACTS? Keep dogging the TRUTH!

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  • aLVIN
    WHY IS IT THAT ALL MAMMALS ARE FED WITH MILK IN THE EARLY STAGES OF LIFE
    WHAT IS IN MILK THAT IS SO IMPORTANT? WHY?

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  • @Zoe,There is fossilized evidence for five toed horses BEFORE the toes were fused into a hoof. Next you did not answer my question; who made GOD the 1st?
    I would not quote anything from Revelation. Poor John after the time he spent in the salt mines was quite deluded (Alzheimer’s psychosis?) and wrote all kinds of foolishness.
    If you can believe Revelation, why is it so difficult for you to accept the fossil evidence before you. I guess you would not accept the validity of Carbon dating.
    @ Georgie Portie,
    You know as well as I do. Nutrients, genes etc. Mammals; on land and in the sea do feed their young on milk, but do other creatures depend on milk for life? What about reptiles?

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  • man I ask you about milk man

    reptiles is another issue

    what is special about one particular component of milk…….i.e lactose which is converted to glucose and galactose at digestion?

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  • Wow…..In the name of “whatever” two avowed political enemies have have lifted their swords together against Zoe&GP for the betterment of mankind…..only on BU….chuckle.

    I wish you well but you will forever talk at tangents…..Zoe&GP are not open to logic/reason.

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  • Alvin Cummins January 27, 2016 at 4:50 PM #

    @Zoe,There is fossilized evidence for five toed horses BEFORE the toes were fused into a hoof.

    Really, where is the fossilized evidence for five toed horses..?

    Next you did not answer my question; who made GOD the 1st?

    Cummins, Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence, Immutability, had NO beginning, Almighty God, ALWAYS WAS, and ALWAYS will be!

    Now, the following gives a brief expose of the facts re the Evolutionist perspective, and please NOTE, the dubious and spurious aspects of their imaginative writings, and DRAWINGS!

    The infamous ‘horse evolution’ series

    For the last century or so, this fine animal has been put to a more unfortunate use. Its alleged ancestry has been used as one of the key ‘proofs’ of evolution. It started in 1879 with the American paleontologist O.C. Marsh and the famous evolutionist T.H. Huxley, known as ‘Darwin’s bulldog.’

    Since then, many museums and popular books have presented a neat series starting from the dog-sized, four-toed ‘dawn horse’ or ‘Eohippus,’ which supposedly lived 50 million years ago. The next creature is usually a larger creature like Mesohippus, which had three toes. The next one was larger still, for example Merychippus, which had two of the toes smaller than the third. Finally, there is the large modern horse, Equus, with only one toe, while all that is left of the other two are ‘vestigial’ splint bones. Some of the diagrams also show trends in tooth changes, with increasing hypsodonty (high-crowned teeth). This is supposed to demonstrate a change from browsing on bushes to grazing on grass.

    How clear-cut is it, really?

    Two horses galloping through a field of yellow flowers As the biologist Heribert-Nilsson said, ‘The family tree of the horse is beautiful and continuous only in the textbooks,’ and the famous paleontologist Niles Eldredge called the textbook picture ‘lamentable’ and ‘a classical case of paleontologic museology.’ As shown in a detailed thesis by Walter Barnhart, the horse ‘series’ is an interpretation of the data. He documents how different pictures of horse evolution were drawn by different evolutionists from the same data, as the concept of evolution itself ‘evolved.’

    This especially applies to reconstructing the animals from fossil skeletons, which are usually very incomplete. The evolutionist Gerald Kerkut wrote:

    ‘It takes a great deal of reading to find out for any particular genus just how complete the various parts of the body are and how much in the illustrated figures is due to clever reconstruction. The early papers were always careful to indicate by dotted lines or lack of shading the precise limits of the reconstructions, but later authors are not so careful.’

    Informed evolutionists now realize that the picture, even in their own framework, is not a straight line at all. While they still believe in horse evolution, the modern view of the horse fossil record is much more jumpy and ‘bushy.’ http://www.creation.com

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  • all mammals need milk for their dvelopment
    lactose is converted to glucose and galactose at digestion
    glucose and galactose are epimers and can be converted to each other as needed
    the glucose is required to provide energy
    the galactose is needed for nerv and brain developmnt

    guess what? thease acts of biochemistry were not designed—they evolved
    ONLY A FOOL WOULD BELIEVE THAT OR FAIL TO S THE LOGIC

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  • Zoe January 27, 2016 at 7:46 PM #

    While they still believe in horse evolution, the modern view of the horse fossil record is much more jumpy and ‘bushy.’ http://www.creation.com
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………

    Did you actually pen the above words….while they still believe…..modern view is….??

    Skippah….try and tell us who is holding you hostage with a ak47 so we can mount a rescue attempt…..modern view is…..something wrong…..wuhloss…..miller our boy in trouble.

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  • millertheanunnaki January 27, 2016 at 11:04 AM #

    Interesting book below entitled “How they made a Negro a Christian”

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  • Every human body has Approx 100 TRILLION cells.

    Each DNA cell is an information storage Molecule. It stores digital data in Quaternary (twice binary) SO DENSELY that a PINHEAD size DNA equals TWO MILLION 2-TERABYTE HARD-DRIVES, and, if the double-Helix were stretched out as a wire, it would CIRCLE the EARTH 30 TIMES!

    And, Evolutionary Atheists, believe that this incredibly, vastly COMPLEX DNA information storage capacity, without which the human body would NOT function, just evolved by CHANCE!

    Only intellectually DISHONEST FOOLS, or just plain down-right IDIOTS, would believe such HOGWASH, promulgated by Evolutionary pseudo- LYING scientists!

    As God’s Word declares, “Professing themselves to be wise, they BECAME FOOLS.” (Rom. 1:22).

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  • @Zoe,
    Won’t get into further arguments with you and GP; creationists. I will just copy and paste, here, so that wiser heads than mine can respond.
    “Creationism utterly fails to explain the sequence of known horse fossils from the last 50 million years. That is, without invoking the “God Created Everything To Look Just Like Evolution Happened” Theory.

    [And there is other evidence for evolution that is totally independent of the fossil record — developmental biology, comparative DNA & protein studies, morphological analyses, biogeography, etc. The fossil record, horses included, is only a small part of the story.]

    Creationists are thus forced into illogical, unjustified attacks of fossil dating methods, or irrelevant and usually flat-out wrong proclamations about a supposed “lack” of “transitional forms”.
    Your other post in answer to my question re God the 1st… is equally illogical. How come God “was” always, but on a whim decided to create man. Don’t forget our universe; with its hundreds of millions of stars, suns, planets, galaxies, other universes, black holes etc, etc, Dark Matter, and millions of Suns many light years away.But man was so special that we are not as we were thousands of years ago. In other words man had to evolve, otherwise computers would have been in existence when Saxons And the Vikins were fighting each other. Man has ceased to evolve physically, but he is still evolving mentally.My grandchildren will be smarter than I ever could be.

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  • re My grandchildren will be smarter than I ever could be.

    WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THAT IS SO HARD SIR WITH YOUR LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE?

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  • LOL @ Alvin
    ….My grandchildren will be smarter than I ever could be.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Boss, that tells us nothing…
    …..so are your pets.

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  • @Georgie Porgie,

    That was an inswinging yorker you bowl at Alvin. lol

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  • hants

    I HAD TO HIT HE pun h big toe CAUSE HE LIKE HE CANT UNNER STAND
    HE CAN BELIeVE WUH HE LIKE BUT DONT TELL ME THAT I ILLOGICAL WHEN I BRING A PRISTINE BIOLOGICAL ARGUEMENT

    AND YES HANTS YOU CAN TeLL ALL DE WOMENS THAT ONE OF YOUR CONTEMPORARIES AT HC TEACHES THAT BREAST IS BEST IS BEST for all babies and all men regardless to age

    i have ben reported (incorrectly off course) to have once told a female patient to GIVE THE BUBBY TO THE HUBBY

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  • @Hants,
    An in-swinging yorker OUTSIDE the leg stump will obviously miss the leg stump. This one did.
    The issue of breast milk is designed to be a distraction. We are talking of GOD, a nebulous “creation” from the imagination of persons. There is only psychological conditioning that keeps it in the forefront of its “creators”.presentations. The arguments of Zoe and GP that “GOD was (ALWAYS) and is capable of doing things like “creating” everything, does not stand up to any logical argument.

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  • N. Macbeth, American Biology Teacher, who was by no means a creationist, has flatly stated that “Darwinism is NOT science, L.C. Birch and P.R. Ehrlich, ‘Nature’ state that the theory of evolution “IS OUTSIDE OF EMPIRICAL SCIENCE”.

    L. Harrison Matthews, British biologist and evolutionist, in his introduction to a publication of Darwin’s Origin of Species, says:

    “The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a SCIENCE founded on an UNPROVED THEORY- is it then a SCIENCE or a FAITH?” It IS A LIE, the greatest DECEIT ever promoted in the name of SCIENCE!

    K.J. Hsu, Journal of Sedimentary Petrology, while not a creationist, was moved to make the following observations, in his article:

    Regarding Darwin’s ‘Origin of Species’ Hsu says:

    “A casual perusal of the classic made me understand the rage of Paul Feyerabend. He considers SCIENCE an IDEOLOGY. Feyerabend wrote that “all ideologists must be seen in perspective. One must read them like FAIRY TALES which have lots of interesting things to say, but which contain WICKED LIES. Nevertheless, I agree with him that Darwinisn contains ‘WICKED LIES”; it is NOT a ‘natural law’ formulated on the basis of FACTUAL EVIDENCE, but a DOGMA, reflecting social PHILOSOPHY of the last century.”

    Yes, Darwinism, is NOT science, it IS* an IDEOLOGY of RAMPANT, RABID, RANCID, ATHEISM, which is then COUCHED, VENEERED, CONVOLUTED, and presented IN a MAZE of utter PSEUDO-SCIENCE JARGON!

    The FOSSIL record, again and again, CONFIRMS this LIE, masquerading as SCIENCE!

    A DISGRACE to true SCIENCE!!!

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  • re The issue of breast milk is designed to be a distraction.

    No you obviously dont get the nuance of the Biochemistry here

    Glucose and galactose are epimers with very similar chemical structures

    The fact that they can be converted one to the other as the infant needs each is most exciting and is not something that could have evolved

    this is as deft a touch as a Hooper or Frank Worell late cut and a likkle too high for you to understand obviously

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Georgie Porgie January 28, 2016 at 10:46 AM

    Dr. GP, could you please make use of that vast medical knowledge you possess and enlighten the BU family of laypersons about the role or function of the coccyx and the appendix in the human body?
    Why did your god create them in Adam?

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  • @Cummins, Miller et al, The fossil record MUST PROVIDE the critical evidence for or against evolution, since NO other scientific evidence can possibly throw light on the ACTUAL history of LIVING things. All other evidence is circumstantial, and can be more effectively explained in terms of the Creation model.

    the vital question, therefore IS* Does the record of past ages, NOW preserved in the form of FOSSILS, show any such changes have occurred? The answer, UNEQUIVOCALLY is: The fossils say NO!

    There has been NO evolution in the past any more than in the present. This important FACT is conclusively demonstrated and documented by Dr, Duane T. Gish in his excellent work: EVOLUTION the fossils STILL say NO!!

    And, we are not dealing with ‘micro’ evolution within a certain species, but, Macro evolution.

    Let us get to the facts, as revealed by the FOSSIL evidence.

    The Fossil Record – From Microorganism to Fish

    Life Appears Abruptly (Fully Formed) In Highly Diverse Forms.

    As Dr. Gish says: “According to evolutionary theory, life first appeared on this planet in the form of microscopic, single-cell organism. Hundreds of articles and books have been published containing SPECULATIONS about how this event may have occurred, and critiques of these notions by creation scientists are available.” (p.54).

    We all know the story, with evolutionists claiming, that this first form of life, not only diverged into many single-cell organisms that NOW exist- bacteria, algae, fungi, amoeba, BUT, that the Metazoe evolved FROM one or more of these single-cell organisms. Just how that occurred and what INTERMEDIATES were involved, is still viewed as one of the great, and, as yet unsolved mysteries of evolution.”

    As Gish states: “Metazoans, that is, highly COMPLEX multi-cellular creatures, with SPECIALIZED organs, ABRUPTLY appear FULLY FORMED in the fossil record. there are NO intermediates available from the fossil record that LINK single-cell organisms to COMPLEX invertebrates that SUPPOSEDLY arose from them.” (Ibid. p.53) Emphasis added.

    It is from the so-called Cambrian period, that this first abundant fossil record appears, Assumed by evolutionists, to be deposited about 530 million years ago. Amazingly, in the Cambrian rocks, are found JELLY-FISH, SEA URCHINS, SEA CUCUMBERSA, SWIMING CRUSTACEANS, SEA LILIES, and other COMPLEX invertebrates.

    as Gish exclaims: “The appearance of this GREAT variety of COMPLEX creatures is so startlingly SUDDEN that it is commonly referred to as the ‘Cambrian Explosion’ in geological literature.” ( Ibid., p,54)

    As Gish then goes on to soundly assert:

    “In any case, if single-cell creatures gave rise to the VAST ARRAY of COMPLEX invertebrates, which ABRUPTLY burst upon the scene, and nearly three billion years intervened between the origin of LIFE and this ‘Cambrian explosion’ of complicated invertebrates, we MUST find the record of that EVOLUTION somewhere in the rocks of the Precambrian/.” ( Ibid., p. 55)

    Cummins, Miller, it is grossly unreasonable, in fact, down-right, and blatantly intellectually DISHONEST, not to expect in this vast ‘Cambrian Explosion’ of literally MILLIONS of FOSSILS to find the TRANSITIONAL stage(s) of such evolution, IF* in fact it did occur; BUT, there are NONE, to be found, NONE!

    Why are NO transitional FOSSILS to be found, BECAUSE there were ALL Created in the first place, and NOW remain FOSSILIZED as they were CREATED!

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  • The Tailbone (Coccyx)
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    The tailbone or coccyx has often been presumed to be vestigial and a leftover remnant to our alleged mammal and reptilian ancestors who also had tails. Evidence that is cited includes the variable number of bony segments humans can have (usually 4 but can be 3 or 5) as well as “babies born with tails.” But these so called tails are not really tails at all and instead are a type of fatty tumor. There are no bones or muscles in them at all, and thus, it cannot truly be considered a vestigial organ.

    Spinney acknowledges that the coccyx now has a “modified function, notably as an anchor point for the muscles that hold the anus in place.”

    In fact, the coccyx is the anchor point for the muscles that form the entire pelvic diaphragm. Therefore, while the coccyx has a clear function in humans today, the only reason to claim that the function has been modified is because of evolutionary assumptions.

    If you believe that humans descended from animals that possessed tails, then there must have been a modification of the tailbone. In contrast, if our ancestor Adam was created by God then there was no modification, and our tailbone is just as it always was. Without the evolutionary presupposition, the evidence that the tailbone is vestigial evaporates. http://www.answersingenesis.org

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  • Your appendix

    If you put your trust in evolutionary based publications like the 1997 Encyclopædia Britannica, you would think of your appendix this way:

    The appendix does not serve any useful purpose as a digestive organ in humans, and it is believed to be gradually disappearing in the human species over evolutionary time. 1
    However, even in 1976 medical textbooks were beginning to admit the appendix had functions:

    The appendix is not generally credited with significant function; however, current evidence tends to involve it in the immunologic mechanism.
    And in a 1995 medical textbook, the authors are emphatic about the function of the appendix:

    The mucosa and submucosa of the appendix are dominated by lymphoid nodules, and its primary function is as an organ of the lymphatic system.

    Despite this, many public school texts still continue indoctrinating people in the idea that the appendix is great evidence that man evolved. An evolutionist had the following testimony put into the record of the historic 1925 Tennessee Scopes Trial:

    There are, according to Wiedersheim, no less than 180 vestigal [sic] structures in the human body, sufficient to make of a man a veritable walking museum of antiquities. Among these [is] the vermiform appendix . These and numerous other structures of the same sort can be reasonably interpreted as evidence that man has descended from ancestors in which these organs were functional. Man has never completely lost these characters; he continues to inherit them though he no longer has any use for them.

    Thus, at one time evolutionists postulated there were 180 vestigial (functionless) structures (including the appendix) in the human body. Today this list has shrunk to virtually none. Imagine asking a doctor in 1925 to remove all these ‘functionless’ structures from your body!

    Sadly, those brainwashed by the evolutionary idea that the appendix (and other organs) had no function included many Christians. This is yet another example of Christians being influenced by man’s theories outside the Bible. As the Bible is a revelation from the One who is infinite in knowledge and wisdom, then all of our thinking in every area should start with God’s Word.

    Thinking Biblically about the appendix

    Let’s assume that modern science knew of no function for the appendix. Would that show it was a useless left-over from our past evolution from the animals? Not at all. There would be at least two other possibilities, when our thinking is based upon the Bible:

    It had a created function in people originally, but as a result of the Curse (consequent upon Adam’s sin) on all creation, humanity has degenerated. Thus, our body has lost some functions which it once had. Evolution requires a gain in information—new structures, new functions.
    It has a created function, but we don’t know what it is yet.

    Why is the appendix so susceptible to disease?

    If the appendix is a specially designed organ with a function, why do so many people suffer from appendicitis, which requires the appendix to be urgently removed to prevent death?

    Answer:

    Death, disease, and degeneration from original perfection are all a part of the curse on a once-perfect creation. They do not reflect on the suitability of the original design.

    In addition, it is clear that appendicitis is only common in countries where a very highly refined modern diet is eaten. Where people eat a high proportion of vegetables, fruit and unrefined cereals, (in other words, have a high fibre diet), appendicitis is actually very rare. The original ‘Genesis diet’ for which we were designed7 was obviously much more like that.

    Today, the appendix is recognized as a highly specialized organ with a rich blood supply. This is not what we would expect from a degenerate, useless structure.

    The appendix contains a high concentration of lymphoid follicles. These are highly specialized structures which are a part of the immune system. The clue to the appendix’s function is found in its strategic position right where the small bowel meets the large bowel or colon. The colon is loaded with bacteria which are useful there, but which must be kept away from other areas such as the small bowel and the bloodstream.

    Through the cells in these lymphoid follicles, and the antibodies they make (see box below), the appendix is ‘involved in the control of which essential bacteria come to reside in the caecum and colon in neonatal life’.6 Like the very important thymus gland in our chest, it is likely that the appendix plays its major role in early childhood. It is also probably involved in helping the body recognize early in life that certain foodstuffs, bacterially derived substances, and even some of the body’s own gut enzymes, need to be tolerated and not seen as ‘foreign’ substances needing attack.

    But if it has a function, why can it be removed without ill effects?

    Our body has been brilliantly designed, with plenty in reserve, and the ability for some organs to take over the function of others. Thus there are a number of organs which everybody agrees have a definite function, but we can still cope without them. Some examples:

    Your gall bladder has a definite function—it stores bile from the liver, and squirts it into the intestine as required to help with the digestion of fat. However, it can be removed and the body will cope—for instance, by secreting more bile continuously.

    You can cope with having a kidney out, because there is still enough kidney tissue left in the other one. (In the same way, a part of the Gut Associated Lymphoid Tissue, which includes the appendix, can be removed, and the remaining lymphoid tissue will usually be enough to carry on the total function). You won’t suffer from having your thymus out (if you’re an adult), because this extremely important gland, which ‘educates’ your immune cells when you are very young, is then no longer required. This is likely to be very relevant to the appendix.

    1 Corinthians 8:2 says: ‘And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.’ Think about the questions God asked of Job: Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? … Where is the way where light dwelleth? … By what way is the light parted … ? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? After many other questions, we read that Job repented in ‘dust and ashes’ when he realized how much he didn’t know.

    We were not there to see Creation. We do not know everything. In fact, we know almost nothing compared to the infinite amount there is to know. So how could humans, with such limited knowledge, ever have dogmatically stated ‘the appendix is functionless’? It is impossible in principle to prove something has no function—without infinite knowledge.

    So-called ‘facts’ for evolution are continually being discarded (though sometimes only deleted from textbooks years later). Numerous people today still believe many of the outdated evolutionary ideas they were taught at school or college, not realizing that even the evolutionists no longer accept them.

    Making antibodies

    The appendix, in conjunction with other parts of the body which also contain cells called B-lymphocytes, manufactures several types of antibodies:

    A immunoglobulins, involved in surface or mucosal immunity. These are vital in maintaining the protective barrier between the bowel and the bloodstream.
    IgM and IgG immunoglobulins, which fight invaders via the bloodstream.

    The appendix is in fact part of the G.A.L.T. (Gut Associated Lymphoid Tissue) system. The lymphoid follicles develop in the appendix at around two weeks after birth, which is the time when the large bowel begins to be colonized with the necessary bacteria. It is likely that its major function peaks in this neonatal period. http://www.creation.com

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  • VERY GOOD ZOE
    THIS WILL NOT HOWEVER BENEFIT THE FOOL BECAUSE HIS BIAS SUPERCEDES ALL

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Georgie Porgie January 28, 2016 at 3:22 PM

    We notice you are allowing your sidekick Zoe to be not only your religiously biased mouthpiece but also your leading general in the war of Science versus Ignorance hiding behind a façade of religious intolerance.

    Just be careful that Zoe, like Lucifer who was once the right hand man of Yahweh (Zeus), does not move to overthrow you in his in-depth knowledge of Anatomy, a branch of Biology.

    It is truly amazing when you can allow an intellectual punk to make the following statements on your behalf:

    “So-called ‘facts’ for evolution are continually being discarded (though sometimes only deleted from textbooks years later). Numerous people today still believe many of the outdated evolutionary ideas they were taught at school or college, not realizing that even the evolutionists no longer accept them.”

    Didn’t you Judeo-Christians believe in killing animals as sacrifices to Yahweh, keeping slaves and isolating menstruating women for 9 days deeming them to be unclean?
    Didn’t your friend Jesus come along to be the only intermediary and agent of sacrifice for those sinners instead of the bull, the ram, pigeons and turtledoves for those making offerings or seeking forgiveness through the priesthood?

    The same way you have your Jesus whom ISIS continue to make a mockery of, modern Evolutionists have carbon dating and DNA techniques to dismiss your Adam & Eve creation story as just that; stolen tales from yore long before the Legendary Moses ever dreamt of the Promised Land stolen from Egyptian mythology.

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  • millertheanunnaki January 28, 2016 at 5:26 PM #

    i like to discuss the Bible with serious people
    such people do not exist on BU

    I do not have Zoe’s patience but I can appreciate his contributions and respect his sources

    you are at liberty to continue in your vein

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Georgie Porgie January 28, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    OK GP. We can see you have learned nothing from the lessons of the Job story.
    Be that as it may let us agree on one thing:
    That is, the principles and practices of MEDICINE have changed or evolved from the days of Imhotep (Asclepius) and Hippocrates to Jenner and Lister or even Crick and Watson after whom, someday, a binary star system might be named.

    So to shall Evolution and Religion. You can never tell. One day some time in the 42nd Century your god might have morphed into a being from Alpha Centauri who finds Earth a desolate wasteland in need of reformation.

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  • @Miller, Is this how you answer to the CHALLENGES I issued you?

    Utterly unable to refute the sound science FACTS and EVIDENCE, you now come AGAIN, with more inept intellectual HOGWASH!

    NAKI, you are not just intellectually DISHONEST, but stupid, instead of keeping quiet, in your IGNORANCE, you OPEN your mouth, confirming AGAIN, what a FOOL you ARE, BIG TIME!

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  • GP
    Explain how a lowly mosquito can evolve to resist various deadly repellents.
    Why is glaucoma controlled by a saline solution.
    Zoe
    Why with all the descriptive marvellous anatomical composition of the body human,whites murder and continue to seek out people of colour to murder them everywhere,on the corners of their own streets and in all corners of the planet earth.
    Why should I believe for one cotton picking minute that a jew has more reason to life than I do.Why did the man the greeks called jesus not write anything for his followers to think about.

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  • Gabriel January 28, 2016 at 9:25 PM #

    Zoe
    Why with all the descriptive marvellous anatomical composition of the body human,whites murder and continue to seek out people of colour to murder them everywhere,on the corners of their own streets and in all corners of the planet earth.

    G, consider, and ponder this:

    Black Americans are 12.61% of the U,S, population. Yet, they commit 32.5% of all rapes; 34.1% of all Assaults; 54.9% of all Robberies; and 49.4% of all Murders; 91% of ALL Murdered Black Americans are Killed by other Black Americans.

    THE TRUTH ISN’T RACIST, ITS JUST THE TRUTH.

    Jews do NOT have more reason to life than anyone else; millions of Jews have gone to Hell, and will continue as long as they REJECT Jesus as Saviour and Lord, like anyone else.

    Jesus spoke many things for His followers to think about; its all there in the Gospels.

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  • Zoe
    Does not your bible say hebrews are the chosen of all earthlings?How come you did not quote the number of rapes,murders,incest etc of those ‘chosen’.
    Once again,where is the written word of your white michelangeloed jesus.

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  • @Gabriel,

    Carry on in your racial bias and ignorance! So it be!

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe January 29, 2016 at 9:07 AM
    “Carry on in your racial bias and ignorance! So it be!”

    How can you accuse Gabriel of racial bias and profiling when you have the gall to quote the following?
    ‘Black Americans are 12.61% of the U,S, population. Yet, they commit 32.5% of all rapes; 34.1% of all Assaults; 54.9% of all Robberies; and 49.4% of all Murders; 91% of ALL Murdered Black Americans are Killed by other Black Americans.’

    Why can’t you also mention that the “average” black American is a more god-fearing Christian than his white counterpart and deeply believes in his sweet white Jesus demonstrated by his regular attendance at his Baptist Church?

    Some of the sweetest music ever sung to the worship of your Yahweh and his white baby son Jesus can be heard in those melodious ‘Nigger’ Spirituals.

    Yes Gabriel is right in his reference to the pathological inclination of those self-appointed chosen ones to murder, rape and commit incest.
    What does the story of Lot and the ‘forced’ extraction of sperm from his loins by his very own daughters say about that lot called ‘the chosen ones’?

    Are you conveniently forgetting the unequivocal commandment to carry out the first case of ethnic cleansing and mass murder to make Hitler look like a white plantation owner in the days of Willie Lynch?

    Now if you think you have the ‘sole’ patent on the art of “Cutting & Pasting” here is what your sweet loving caring god called Yahweh the schizophrenic envious of other god racist lonely dictator had to say to his subjects among whom you would have fitted in nicely:
    Numbers 31:7-18
    7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man.
    8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.
    9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder.
    10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps.
    11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals,
    12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.
    13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp.
    14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
    15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them.
    16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people.
    17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Not only is Yahweh the greatest overseer of murder rape and pillage but also the greatest warmonger and proponent of animal cruelty and their slaughter for fun but also the greatest terrorist to the very environment you claim he made in less than six days:

    Deuteronomy 20-

    Going to War
    20 When you go to war against your enemies and see horses and chariots and an army greater than yours, do not be afraid of them, because the LORD your God, who brought you up out of Egypt, will be with you. 2 When you are about to go into battle, the priest shall come forward and address the army. 3 He shall say: “Hear, Israel: Today you are going into battle against your enemies. Do not be fainthearted or afraid; do not panic or be terrified by them. 4 For the LORD your God is the one who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies to give you victory.”
    5 The officers shall say to the army: “Has anyone built a new house and not yet begun to live in it? Let him go home, or he may die in battle and someone else may begin to live in it. 6 Has anyone planted a vineyard and not begun to enjoy it? Let him go home, or he may die in battle and someone else enjoy it. 7 Has anyone become pledged to a woman and not married her? Let him go home, or he may die in battle and someone else marry her.” 8 Then the officers shall add, “Is anyone afraid or fainthearted? Let him go home so that his fellow soldiers will not become disheartened too.” 9 When the officers have finished speaking to the army, they shall appoint commanders over it.
    10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
    16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God.
    19 When you lay siege to a city for a long time, fighting against it to capture it, do not destroy its trees by putting an ax to them, because you can eat their fruit. Do not cut them down. Are the trees people, that you should besiege them?[b] 20 However, you may cut down trees that you know are not fruit trees and use them to build siege works until the city at war with you falls.

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  • @Miller, Once again, you take the command of God, to kill, kill, kill, entirely out of the historic CONTEXT, of WHY He ordered this to be done.

    There WERE very specific reasons, WHY God had to order the total destruction of a certain sub-culture of the Midianites, plus the DEATH of large numbers of Israelites.

    A certain sub-culture of Midianites, planned a Seductive SEXUAL plot against Israel, as a weapon to destroy them. This simply could NOT be tolerated, as it would INFEST the entire nation, and bring God’s judgement on ALL of Israel. The utter perversion, and the rampant Idolatry HAD to be dealt with by the DEATH of those who did this EVIL thing.

    The following is a brief, but true and correct summary of why God had to deal with these Midianites, in this manner.

    Summary:

    1.The judgment scene in Numbers 31 has nothing to do with lewd ‘tests for virginity’

    2The judgment scene in Numbers 31 has nothing to do with ‘sex slaves’ or even slavery in the sense of New World Slavery

    3.The judgment scene in Numbers 31 has nothing to do with a religious war against the Midianites, “because they worshipped a different god than Israel”

    The Midianites were a tribal league of generally nomadic peoples, with a wide variation in orientation, ethics, and practices.
    They were known to engage in kidnapping and international slave trading, as well as raiding and pillage of sedentary peoples/villages.
    The Moabites, who start the chain of events leading to Numbers 31, are under no danger or threat from Israel, but nonetheless begin unprovoked attempts to vanquish the unsuspecting Israelites

    7.After the Mesopotamian diviner/sorcerer/prophet Balaam fails to curse Israel, he nevertheless advises the Midianite leadership on how to overcome Israel—by a sexual deception of a massive scale.

    8.Moab transports women into the area en masse, and Midian moves into the territory east of Shittim, to begin this initiative. Some 6,000-12,000 married women aggressively offer sex to the Israelite men (most of whom are married), and after having sex/adultery, convince them to participate in further acts (involving both sex and disloyalty to the Lord).

    Israel ‘falls for it’, and likely makes a ‘covenant’ with a Canaanite fertility god of vegetation (Baal Peor), and are judged by God (at least 24,000 Israelites die of a plague, most of which are males)
    The Moabite and Midianite women retreat out of the area, having successfully used their sex as a weapon (with full knowledge, consent, support, and encouragement from their husbands, fathers, and civic leaders).
    For this atrocity, God orders Israel to attack this specific group of Midianites (not the Moabites) and eliminate them.
    The Israelite force of 12,000 men travel east/southeast to where the Midianite sub-group is camping, and engage in combat. (They are NOT instructed to hunt “all the Midianites in the world down and kill them”—just this group that did the treachery at Baal Peor.) They kill almost all of the males in this battle, but return to the Israelite camp with the herds and property of the Midianites, as well as with the women and (mostly girl) children.
    Moses is shocked to find out that they spared the very women who used the sex-weapon against them, and even brought these women back to the Israelite camp! He orders them to execute the women, who had been involved in the treachery (but only the Midianite women—the Moabite women are spared), and any remaining males among the children.
    The remaining young girls—with an average age of 5 years—were spared and distributed throughout the people, into families. They would eventually be assimilated into Israel families, but from this moment on, they would care for them, feed them, train them, etc. for family life in Palestine.
    The 32,000 young girls could be assimilated into Israel, largely because of the death of the 24,000 adult Israelites.
    The judgment for the atrocity at Baal Peor fell both on Israel and Midian—both would have lost around 24,000 adult members of the population, and the consequences on the Midianite children (especially the boys) would have been a direct result of the choices of their parents and leaders.
    The realities of life in the ANE precluded absorption of the residual boys into the people—in keeping with realities of the time.

    This action/atrocity by the Midianites is an intensely sordid and depressing tale, of greater scale than even that of Sodom and Gomorrah, and of greater anti-Hebrew malice and calculating treachery than even that of the Amalekites…

    The removal of this exact sub-culture (without impacting the Moabites or the rest of the Midianites—for good or ill), while mercifully sparing a very large number of innocent young girls, yet without sparing the guilty Israelites, seems neither cruel nor unfair nor unwarranted, given the horrendously dehumanizing character of this crime, and given the unavoidable consequences of conflict upon children in the ancient world… http://www.christianthinktank.com

    Miller, here again, God had to command the destruction of the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites…”…OTHERWISE, they will TEACH you to FOLLOW all the DETESTABLE things they do in worshiping their (FALSE, Pagan deities)
    and you will SIN against the LORD your God.”

    ALL of these ancient civilizations, who practiced CRASS, EVIL Idolatry came to utter ruination, as I’ve pointed out time and again.

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  • @Zoe,

    You are a brainwashed nut!!

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  • @Zoe,
    Joshua Chapter 4. Why would YOUR
    god, a supposedly loving God, order Joshua th invade the land of Ai, and kill every man, woman and child in the city? And you wantt me to worship this nebulous entity? As I said, you are a nut.

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  • @ Alvin
    What exactly is it that leads you to think that it is important to anyone that you worship God? BBE would have to be REALLY ‘scrunting’ to be concerned about being worshipped by a raving idiot.

    Why would God order the killing of an entire city…country ,or even planet..?

    If you were not a confirmed idiot then the answer would be obvious…. Forget BBE – you will never be able to grasp the concept… let us consider a basic everyday farmer – like Lowdown Hoad (one of Bushie’s top-drawer men)…..

    What do you think Lowdown would do if, having invested time, energy and love in his farm of goats, he noticed that a particular herd were all developing the initials ‘AC’ ….. and exhibiting traits that have become synonymous with BU’s AC clan of morons…?
    Imagine you have goats exhibiting symptoms of dementia, brassbowlery, yardfowlery, shiite-talkery and abject ‘ignorancy’ …..

    Shiite man Alvin … EVEN YOU would destroy their stupid asses before they contaminate and cause the destruction of the whole damn farm….
    or perhaps you would not….
    ’cause you are a REAL REAL goat.

    What people like you and Miller fail to recognise is that in the overall scheme of things wunna (we all) are ‘not worth shit when the gully out’…. We are EXACTLY like sheep in BBE’s farm. This is a farm designed with a PURPOSE, ..a Goal. ….and with specific objectives in mind – IN THE FARMER’S MIND – not in the mind of the shiite sheep…

    Wunna brass bowls are just lucky that BBE is a LOVING, TOLERANT AND LONG-SUFFERING farmer, cause for example, if it was up to Bushie …the whacker would have been in your ass LONGGGG time…

    You would have been a lamb stew right after your Cawmere days…. LOL ha ha ha

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  • @Alvin, If we think mankind bad in today’s world, those ancient EVIL, Idolatrous civilizations, if they were not destroyed, as God instructed, we would ALL be EATING one another literally, and WORSE!

    They SACRIFICED their LITTLE Children to their Satanic gods, can anything be more EVIL?

    BT’s analogy is DEAD ON!

    Moses had said, ‘God brought us out of Egypt. He will bring us in and give us the land’ (Deuteronomy 6:23).

    The Book of Joshua is all about this. God brought the *Israelites out of Egypt to take them into the *promised land. The *Israelites did not know completely the goodness of God until they entered the *promised land.

    When we read the Book of Joshua for the first time, it appears to be all about unpleasant wars. The *promised land already had its own inhabitants. God said that they were evil people because

    · they *worshipped false gods (Deuteronomy 20:18);
    · they *sacrificed their children to their gods (Deuteronomy 12:31);
    · they practised magic (Deuteronomy 18:9-11).

    The inhabitants did not want the *Israelites to live in the *promised land. So, the inhabitants would oppose the *Israelites. The *Israelites would have to kill the inhabitants before they could enjoy the promises of God.

    If a LOVING God, did NOT DESTROY these EVIL, wicked people, NO ONE would be left on planet earth, to experience His plan of Redemption, which IS* His LOVE, Grace and Mercy extended to ALL who are willing to REPENT, be forgiven, in, by, and THROUGH, The Lord Jesus Christ, and have the Gift of Eternal Life, with HIM, in His glorious Kingdom, of PEACE, JOY, and HAPPINESS, with NO MORE SIN!

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe January 30, 2016 at 9:49 AM
    “Alvin, If we think mankind bad in today’s world, those ancient EVIL, Idolatrous civilizations, if they were not destroyed, as God instructed, we would ALL be EATING one another literally, and WORSE!
    They SACRIFICED their LITTLE Children to their Satanic gods, can anything be more EVIL?
    BT’s analogy is DEAD ON!”

    Why don’t you stop portraying your desert god Yahweh as some megalomaniac and mass murder who has no compunctions in slaughtering innocent babies?

    If that is the way your god operates then he is really not that omniscient and omnipotent. Didn’t he know (given his supreme prescience as assigned by you Zoe the Zeus of BU) that his frail and evil creations would do exactly as he intended them to do?
    He, your god Yahweh, comes across more like a dictatorial evil puppeteer of a bully manipulating his little subjects for some kind of dark deep wicked satisfaction. He is no better than his other evil creation called the Devil.

    Why didn’t he destroy the Aztecs (who regularly practicsed human sacrifice) around the same time he punished those tribes in your book of myths and legends? Or did he send the Christian Spaniards to do his dirty work?

    How come your god Yawheh has not seen it fit to “destroy” the Hindus and other Eastern religious sects who worship multiple gods and do all sorts of ‘evil and dirty’ things contrary to what your god Yahweh instructed his chosen people to do?

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  • Bush Tea January 30, 2016 at 9:20 AM #

    I thought better of you…..siding with Zoe to justify past genocide is bad enough but to justify present day genocide of 30% of Bim because they think like the ACs is realy beyond the pale…..then of all things introduce this nebulous thing called god/bbe to justify it……have you no shame….I shall have you read out…….not sure out of what yet.

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  • @Miller, Cummins, Haynes, the BU ‘Trinity’ of foolish, ignorant God-Haters, you all can scorn, mock, deride, scoff and and laugh all you want NOW, but, the time is coming when you will HAVE to BOW your knees to the ONE you willfully CHOSE to reject, this is NO joking matter either!

    Philippians 2:10-11

    “So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Romans 14:11

    “For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”

    Philippians 2:9-11

    “Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

    Isaiah 45:23

    “By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’

    Philippians 2:10

    “So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth”

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  • Zoe January 30, 2016 at 2:55 PM #

    Skippah….Ah only now come back to this blog to see what David post….ah good one by the way…but after reading the opening para yuh got muh confused,according to your many previous copy&paste the knee belongs to god,so effen it bow it would be his doing plus all of my doings would be with his permission…….dis religion/copy&paste ting real confusing doh…..

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  • Finally the church speaks out!

    Below is a story from today’s Nation.

    http://www.nationnews.com/IMG/357/69357/nuala-menezes-and-jason-gordon2551-450×303.jpg?1473364040

    “Atheism a concern for Catholic church”

    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH is trying to get young people interested in church again.

    This was revealed today by Bishop of Barbados Jason Gordon who said more young people were becoming atheists.

    “In Barbados in the last census in 2010 there are 49 000 people now who say they have no religion and that for Barbados is a very high number,” he said.

    Gordon was speaking at the Living Water Community in St David’s, Christ Church during the 9th Annual General Meeting of SIGNIS Caribbean, a Catholic communications organisation.

    “We are finding a generation growing up in households where they have no reference to God and then we find that atheism is completely normal,” the bishop said.

    The meeting which focused on training Catholic leaders from the Caribbean in the area of technology will end today.

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  • wHEN WE WERE TEENAGERS WE WENT TO CHURCH AND SUNDAY SCHOOL

    WE DID NOT DO DRUGS OR SELL THEM
    WE HAD A SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN TAUGHT ABOUT GOD

    THE ONLY GUNS WE PLAYED WITH WERE HANDMADE TO SHOOT CRABEYES OR WE HAD CAP GUNS

    WE WERE HOME AND IN BED AT UNGODLY HOURS OF THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING

    I AM GLAD THAT I GREW UP IN CHURCH

    I HAVE HAPPY MEMORIES OF BOYS AND GIRLS AS PART OF MY SOCIALISATION AT CHURCH ACTIVITIS

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  • @ GP,

    I was being sarcastic!

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  • THATS OK SIR

    MY POINT IS THAT THOSE OF US WHO WERE RAISED IN THE 50’S 60’S BEHAVED A LITTLE BETTER

    IT IS SAD THAT THE CHURCH IS NOW RECOGNIZING THE OBVIOUS

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