The Future Trust of Barbados under the theme ‘Guardians of our Heritage’ invites residents of Barbados to attend two Town Hall meetings on the 13th and 14th of July 2015. The discussion will centre on ‘Hard facts on the Cahill Gasification Plant’.
Panellists: Professor Paul Connett of Lawrence University, Lennie St.Hill, former Town Planner and Mark Hill, Scientist
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looking for contact email for Kammie Holder. I have useful information to give you which will be helpful in the July 13 & 14 meetings. How do I contact you? please advise.
He is in on Facebook.
I sent him info at iinfo@futurecentretrust.org
@informer, you can send info to wtebarbados@mailinator.com. Cannot take any chances since Phoebe and Da Vinci arrived in Barbados thanks to the Italians and I have to ensure your email is not of malicious intent to embed software.
@informer, send via BU instead for forwarding by David
We need a full turnout for these meetings
She must be stopped
Professor Paul Connett from Lawrence University and Kammie Holder of the Future Centre Trust will be on VoB’s talk show from 11am Barbados time until 115pm. The station is http://www.vob929.com if you want to call the number is 246-426-3000.
Good to hear Kammie calling out Peter Wickham about first hearing about concerns about Cahill during the recent Budget debate.
JA
@David, the truth must be told regardless of who it offends. I guess you did not hear how often the Prof referred where he got the document from? you problem heard dead air for he plugged BU. Congrats. He has a CNN Investigative Interview tomorrow so perhaps he will mention BU.
If Plasma Gasification as a Harvard invention is so great why it’s not all over the U.S. commercially? Why is it that these plants are always pushed on third world countries?
CNN Investigative interview for the goodly
professor? This can get rather messy for
Barbados and its US tourism efforts if not
properly managed. Cahill is bad news.
Kammie
Is it the intention of the goodly professor to help
Barbadians mobilize a full and frontal assault on
Cahill ……utilizing all of his US contacts?
Barbados urgently needs Billion dollar projects but not projects with so many inherent risk and a multi generational financial noose. This Cahill fiasco is a PR nightmare which must unite all classes, creeds and thinking political partisans, for pollution does not discriminate.
We are at a place in Barbados where greed, wickedness and selfishness has become endemic which threatens our beloved country.
To ask questions you are scoffed at and certain to attract victimization. Conversation is now replaced by confrontation then we wonder why there is so much labor unrest.
Changing party without changing government structure is same wine different bottle!
Kammie,
Exactly!
Thanks for the update Kammie and yes the mention of BU wasn’t edited. Was surprised Wickham and Wesley had the gaul to mention they were unaware of Cahill until Mia broached it when you and Corey have been flogging the issue for months since the Open House. What Mia did was to use the resources of her office – given the reluctance of traditional media – to give weight to public concern about the project via the budget debate.
We certainly expect those who are charged with managing the affairs of the people to do their utmost best, but we certainly do not expect them to be perfect. Any armchair – advocate can condemn, criticize and complain; it calls for very little brain exertion.
To THE FEAR MONGERS …… fear tactics have always been a tool of last resort ,i remember when people said that if God wanted man to Fly he would have given man Wings all kinds of argument and scare tactics were used to stop the progress of aviation one that have bridged rather than divide, Lol. and in the years to come the gastification project would be touted and endorsed in similar vein as aviation
Kammie, I certainly appaul your efforts for critiquing government lack of foresightedness; it is your civic duty as a citizen of Barbados to do so. Nevertheless, you spoke of being scoffed at for asking questions, but why wouldn’t be scoffed at if you’re known for having a tendency for asking the facile questions?
How is it possible that some people in Barbados, who haven’t expertise in a given area neither academic credentials, can get on social media and render a qualified opinion?
The bringing (in) of hired guns would not stop progress in this country . So kammie and all the Thomases better known as doubters need to just chill the govt has experts / advisers who have given opinion on this issue all from various countries including the usa who have agreed in principle that there will be liittle or no fall out from the burning of garbage through gastification if the correct techniques are well managed , People like Kammie is not schooled in such technology and in their effort to thwart off the negative economic effect the WTE plant might impact on other energy producing sources like Sun power and wind power( a growing number that has not lowered a substantial debt cost wise in energy for the govt and the majority of citizens ) is nothing more than the boy who cried wolf to garner attention or maybe to cover himself ,, it makes me wonder how much of these other energy sources Kammie has a financial stake (in) and the fear card is now being used as a convenience to protect that .interest
@Are-we-there-yet
Any comments on today’s show? There is growing public outcry to the silence around the Cahill deal. Professor Connett debunk all positions, even the one at the end when the caller read from a dated report found on the net. The honest comment made by the professor is that for Barbadians to feel safe around an incinerator (plasma gasification plant) we need to have the labs and other facilities to constantly test air quality etc. In is known Barbados does NOT have a lab of this standard and further, we are discussing moving ahead with a major project without an environmental assessment study being shared with the public.
If the GOB had experts and still went ahead an
this rogue deal with Cahill then they are greedy
fools.
Cahill will not proceed, the Professor and FCT
will, if they are smart, create enough doubt and
heat to scare off even the most persistent
investors, the Chinese.
CAHILL IS DEAD AND EVEN THOUGH THE GOB
delays the date for the funeral, it’s does not mean
it can be risen from the dead.
BU checked out the statement about Chinese protesting against building incinerators in the communities. This is a communist country for crissakes!
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1283465/10000-join-protest-against-incineration-guangzhou
“The high temperatures of the Plasma Gasification process melt metals, glass, silica, soil, etc., which flow out of the bottom of the reactor. The metals are recycled and the other inorganic materials become vitrified (molten) glass. Because of the high temperatures and lack of oxygen there are no tars, dioxins or furans and Nox and Sox are much lower. The net result is that all the waste is converted to salable product.”
@Hants
The professor explained periods where a gasification plant is not functioning efficiently will release toxins. The question, what inspectorate will we have to alert all concern.
What about the gases produced and the
unwanted pollutants which will need to be
scrubbed therefrom, what will become of
those pollutants, they will vanish into
thin air??
What the Environmentalist needs to tell the citizens in their Rush to judgement. How can all govts reduce the large volumes of garbage which will become a growing health risk and will multiply significantly as society becomes larger and landfill becomes obsolete because of reduction in land space as the need for housing takes foot hold, these are some of the burning questions that govt have to address long term and sees a hastened needed to address as technology gives them an opening to make the necessary changes and the way forward , while expeditiously seizing the opportunity knowing that technological advances would improved and delete what negative concerns or worries that might be built into a project in the coming years.Rather than dilly dally and rely on the non-expert advise of nay sayers
@David,
Just like a Nuclear Plant, Exceptional standards and management can make risks acceptable. Example Pickering Ontario plant.
The opposite of that is Chernobyl.
Putting a WTE plant in the centre of Barbados is not a reasonable risk but I am just a layman who reads a lot.
@Kammie Holder
Do you want to repeat your 2.58PM comment?
BU also post Professor Connett’s 10 step to zero waste presentation he will be presenting this week at the town halls.
@Hants
It is only the politicians who are lazy and greedy and their yardfowl supports who would contemplate injecting this complex technology to the Barbados landscape with no capacity to monitor. We cant even enforce fines for litter. We have not even gotten to the several agreements which commit taxpayers over the next 30 years and to boot we are discussing without an EIA having been completed.
Guy Fox go do your own researcher it would help you remove the scales from your eyes,
Gastification is of present being used across the USA Canada England and as of recent Australia. None Absolutely None of these WTE have been shown to have any negative impact on the environment When You and Kammie and the other naysayers can show ac proof where these WTE plants that are up and running for more than five years have negatively impacted the environment in any anyway shape or form then and only then i would listen or maybe become a convert until then my ears are closed and my mouth remains open to thwart off the damage coming from leaking lips and loose tongues like kammie’ s
The point the Professor made today about gasification plants functioning across the globe, none match the scale of the one proposed for Barbados and importantly there is no commercially viable gasification plant currently functioning. Also the important issue is that the price scale suggests we will be importing hazardous waste to feed the proposed plant.
Let the record show BU is proud of Kammie and all those who are being to ask questions to a government who wants to ramrod this down our throats. This is what a democracy is all about.
ac
Cahill is DEAD. It done get KILL OFF
already. Darcy and the boys vex as hell
cause a lot of hard work went into making
this deal. This was to be retirement for the
boys.
David July 12, 2015 at 5:43 PM #
The professor explained periods where a gasification plant is not functioning efficiently will release toxins.
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Does the professor drive a car going by his analogy maybe he needs to form a collation of environmentalist to fight against building cars as cars gives off higher levels of toxins daily than a gastification plant even if or what it stops working periodically;
the professor is another one of those loose canons that sees only what he wishes to see and fears that which is only an inconvenience to his own self interest a bunch of .a,ass looking to railroad a project that would in the long term pay sufficient dividends to the economy as well as the environment. on the return of money spent to build and what money is being used to clean up the enviroment . Just take a look at toge seaweed by now most of that would have been gobbled up as garbage and on its way to the WTE to be recycled for better use.
ac
What’s the calorific value of seaweed? If you
think the Cahill waste of energy plant is such
a good project how come the frauds behind
the deal flogging for sale?
The Professor is correct when he says
Barbados has gotten itself involved in a huge
SCAM, whether by incompetence or by
corruption.
The moment in the discussion things stood still was when Corey, the moderator, challenged anyone with a dissenting/alternative view to call in. Government ministers were pleaded with to call the program, none took up the offer. This contrasted with al the other times when minister Sinckler and Kellman to name two have called the talk show to respond to less important matters.
JAs
David;
I did’nt hear the programme.
Is it being repeated or is it being put on the web? A friend called and told me about it after it was finished and I was somewhat amazed that VoB allowed some of the things that the professor allegedly said to go on the air. I suppose that is because some of the information was already vented by MAM and the opposition in the recent Budget debate.
What is amazing to me is that in spite of MAM’s disclosures, the leaking of the key MoU document, the certainty that the Government put the cart before the horse in signing the MOU, the clear recognition that Government is sending strong signals to the Bajan, regional and International community that the smell test suggests a whiff of corruption in this matter, etc, that it still, through its Minister of the Environment, with no demurring voices, giving the impression that it is going full steam ahead with the project.
It does not seem possible that this project can go ahead given all we now know about it so why is the Government not coming out and saying so? Where are they going to get the significant millions that they’ve agreed to pay to Cahill given that we appear to be on the horns of an enhanced austerity package (See OSA’s interview in the Nation today about that). Do they think they can keep the public on a leash until their pensions kick in? If the new mood seen in the predominant reaction to the NUPW new militancy continues they should think twice about that.
Please point me to where I can see or listen to the VoB programme.
David July 12, 2015 at 6:03 PM #
The point the Professor made today about gasification plants functioning across the globe, none match the scale of the one proposed for Barbados and importantly there is no commercially viable gasification plant currently functioning.
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So what ! shoe box size or foot long size the necessary requrements remain the same for proper functioning,
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O..since today is questionnaire day
Also the important issue is that the price scale suggests we will be importing hazardous waste to feed the proposed plant.
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what does the above comment mean?
has this issue come down to Fear ! Speculation! and self interest.
No ac, it has come down to preventing the
SCAM and protecting Barbados and
Barbadians, born and unborn.
Release the agreements, why the
reluctance, fear of the consequences?
Speculation of the motives?
@Are-we-there-yet
Last week VOB messed up/edited the other expert MArk Ewall and BU took no chances today.
Here is a link to the program captured by a non VOB source.
https://barbadosunderground.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/vobtalkshow12072015.mp3
Thanks for the link David.
Interesting perspectives.
guy fox why don;t you and the other environmentalist take to streets with shovel and garbage bags and clean up the filth that is going to cause infestation and death and destruction to the enviroment due in part to issues having to do with politics in the same length and breadth as your concerns for a gastification plant ..Don;t you and the other naysayers see what has happened in the past days and the negative impact on the environment one as pressing an equally as important to it,s protection or as far as you guys are concerned that matter does not top your agenda of self interest .Now is a good time to prove that the environment is your only main concern
@ ac
“What the Environmentalist needs to tell the citizens [is] how can all govts reduce the large volumes of garbage which will become a growing health risk and will multiply significantly as society becomes larger and landfill becomes obsolete.”
Err……. recycling. Why burn a plastic bottle when you can reuse the plastic?
By the way, why did the Government buy the SSA’s new recycling collection truck and announce that recycleable waste is going to be collected separately when all the waste is going to get burned?
@ ST george Dragon why don;t you answer the question instead of throwing up a straw man to pull down a giant, The fact is that you cannot answer but engage in a shell game to prove nothing,
@ ac
I will make it easy for you.
Question – (and I paraphrase slightly) how can the Government reduce the large volumes of garbage which needs to go to landfill?
Answer – by introducing proper recycling measures.
@David,
I just listened to Brasstacks.
The professor stated that he was sending the “information” to others around the world and if the government does not stop this WTE project it will negatively affect Tourism.
Did I hear right or did I misinterpret ?
the old white man is a madman that is why he was talking gibberish that only blp yardfowls could interpret lol
Adrian Clarke, it boggles the mind you can accuse me of having a loose tongue. However, sometimes tells me you will defend any political party you support even if they sending persons to the gas chambers.
Unfortunately, 20 years ago activist did not have social media to fight the $30M Owen Arthur Greenland dump thus thanks to social media we can fight this $700M Denis Lowe Plant.
Insult all you want bro for I will debate merits and not personalities.
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