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Introduction:
As the dark clouds gather over Cyprus, the mini-state which accounts for 0.2 per cent of the eurozone, but which looks as if it is going to unleash the greatest financial bombshell to hit the euro-member states in its history. Cyprus is a classic example of a small island economy trying to punch above its weight (many of us may remember Iceland and even Ireland, part of a small island, as other examples) and which eventually stepped on a financial banana skin.

Basically, ignoring for the time being the German bullying of Southern European states, allowing a single product or service to dominate an economy is highly risky which is more so if thoseย  responsible for monetary policy do not put aside something in the good times for the inevitable rainy days. In the case of Cyprus, the central bank authorities and politicians clearly thought that being an offshore financial centre was enough to build its citizens prosperity. However, offshore banking is not a development model, but rather a quick and easy way of making money with eyes half opened.

For good examples of this, just take a close look at Bermuda, the Cayman Islands, Gibraltar and a number of American states. Given this, it was clear, even to Cypriot banking officials, that the 20000 wealthy Russians who chose to settle in the small, troubled Mediterranean island and bring with them Euros20bn, were not there for the weather. Neither are the Lebanese, Israelis, and numerous Northern European expatriates.

Similarly, in much the same way, account holders using HSBCโ€™s various Latin American branches to deposit millions of dollars in savings were not using the bank because of the sophisticated culture of its Britishness.
In both cases they were using the system because of the ease of laundering money, a fact admitted by HSBC when it agreed to pay the US authorities million in punitive fines.

Equally, in Barbados we have financial regulators and criminal justice authorities who sit idly by and allow banks and shadow banks to fund, or administer funds for some of the most dishonest characters to buy over-valued property for multi-million dollars on the rather dubious grounds that they love the sea and sun. This, I suggest, is an area of business crying out for greater scrutiny from the authorities โ€“ regulatory and criminal.

The Cypriot authorities had allowed the Russian oligarchs to colonise Limasol to the extent that it was known as little Moscow. For Limasol, read the West Coast. Russians began to see Cyprus so much as its offshore haven, that traffic, private and official, between the two capitals had become routine. On the other hand, oiled by this largesse, Cypriot banks over-extended themselves with investments in Greek banks, even at the height of the Greek banking tragedy. It was a system waiting for a hard fall.

For all this shadows can be seen in the Barbados economy: an over-dependence on tourism, no Plan B if tourism ran in to trouble, as it has; the best residential areas in the country have been colonised by foreigners in the vain hope that they will make a major contribution to the nationโ€™s economy, which they do not; and banking regulators and ministry of finance officials, so addicted to the false god of foreign reserves, that instead of seeing people with all their vulnerabilities, all they see is foreign earnings.

To some observers, the central bankโ€™s financial stability risk assessment should include a countercyclical capital buffer, sector-specific capital requirements, structure-specific capital requirements (ie branches of overseas banks should be required to have a higher capital placement with the central bank than a subsidiary, which should be regulated as a Barbados-domiciled bank).

The Cyprus Lesson:
Banks have business models which are unlike normal non-financial enterprises in that their assets are far smaller than their liabilities. At the height of the 2002-2007 global excesses, some banks had assets of as low as six per cent of their liabilities, whereas for most non-financial enterprises the average is about 30 per cent assets to liabilities, or even higher.

However, banks take a risk that all (or the majority) of depositors will not demand their savings at the same time, leading to a run on the bank, as happened to Northern Rock and at various times in Argentina, and which is threatened to happen in Cyprus until the government ordered the banks closed for a ten-day period for fear of such a run. It is also pertinent to remind people that at the time of the collapse of Lehman Brothers the giant US bank wholesale bank had assets of US$600bn โ€“ more than the GDP of many middle market developing nations, but had massive counterparty liabilities. The basic lesson, for Lehman Brothers as for small family-run businesses, is that cash is king, cash flow is vitally important for many business.

With retail banks the burden of risk should fall rightly on shareholders, the owners of bonds and even the wealthy savers and investors; but, even if a formal deposit insurance scheme is not in place, it is still implied that small saversโ€™ money would be protected. The prevention of bank runs is a fundamental strategy in stabilising the economy, as Douglas Diamond and Philip Dybvig have reminded us (โ€œBank runs, deposit insurance and liquidity, Journal of Political Economy, 1993). That is a further burden on the public sector balance sheet.

The Cyprus government, under pressure from the European Central Bank, the IMF and the European Commission, the so-called Troika, acting as collectively as agents for Germany, tried to reduce this level of protection to Cypriot depositors with savings of Euro100000 or more, a relatively modest amount, with an average eight per cent haircut. In principle, there is nothing wrong with a government imposing a one-off levy on the wealthy. After all, they too must carry some of the load. Many believed, however, that the real target was the group of super-rich Russians and their Euro20bn savings, which infuriated the Kremlin. The Kremlin believed the Germans were unfairly targeting the Russians, using the ECB as an agent.

The threat to Barbados is not the imposition of such a haircut, since Barbados is not a member of any monetary union and its central bank is independent. The real threat however, apart from a paucity of ideas, comes from the shadowy figures of hedge fund and private equity players who stalk the corridors of international lenders looking for rogue sovereign debt to buy At knock-down prices, then to sue the troubled states in US or European courts, as the Argentinians have found out to their cost.

As the Cyprus government has found out, hiding under the umbrella of a super-state is no option when the guns are trained on the way these small states are managed. Banks are not just any business that can easily be made bankrupt. They are different, they provide a public function through their payments systems, allowing salaries to be paid direct in to accounts, they pay utility bills and standing and direct orders and they provide other essential services to business and the public sector.

Analysis and Conclusion:
The basic lessons for micro and medium states remain prudent management of the macro-economy. Despite regular rhetorical references to economic growth, there is no clear easy path to achieving long-term growth, increased competitiveness or job creation, unless they first start with improving public sector efficiency. To do this, governments, whether Cyprus or Barbados, must implement radical structural reforms, including new policies on labour flexibility, which so far key spokespeople have resisted implementing. However, despite the background noise, there is a risk of over-exaggerating the banking problems in Cyprus and their impact on the global economy, and similar small island states. As Jim Oโ€™Neill of Goldman Sachs has reminded us, China produces an economy the size of Cyprus (in GDP terms) every week.

The Cypriot problem will eventually be resolved by the European Central Bank, but for those of us in Barbados, there is no magical solution. Barbados has not got the sophisticated financial architecture to play a central role in the global, or regional, economy. This remains the case even though politicians and policymakers have reached a consensus that our fractured economy should be involved in offshore banking and shadow banking centre. Objectively, this is over ambitious. Capital flight is now the big risk, and as I write this Cypriots are no doubt rushing to their banks to withdraw what little they have saved to hide it away under their beds. They no doubt will reason that what purchasing power they lose in an inflationary environment would be better than an eight per cent levy, even if (for now) it is a one-off.


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119 responses to “Notes From a Native Son: What Lessons Barbados Can Learn from the Cyprus Debacle”


  1. @ Hal Austin

    While you are wedded to a hierarchical society, we would like to see a society were these artificial divisions are non-existent. Where someone could be a politician today and tomorrow he/she is helping to do less empowering work too, like being the garbage man. Or helping drive a bus or something. Why are a few people to be assigned all the empowering work all the time and others given all the disempowering work all the time? We have never been able to determine the difference in cerebral potential of people. Why should some people have too much work and others remain unemployed? We say all work should be shared. Why should top executives be paid a thousand times the earnings of the average worker? It it possible for that executive to make 1000 times the average contribution, all the time? And rewards, Marx’s criticisms of capitalism centered, amongst other things. on the mal-distribution of rewards. More specifically, that workers were not paid what they are worth and that the ‘extra’ when to shareholders, other stakeholders. Let us first revisit Marx, not to be Marxist, but to find a better way forward.

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    Sargeant | March 29, 2013 at 2:01 PM |
    How come the deep thinkers in the Eurozone seem to stumble from one crisis to another, if it is Monday there is another Economic/Monetary crisis waiting in the wings in some Euro country. Greece and Cyprus go hand in hand and they didnโ€™t anticipate a problem in Cyprus ? Unless this is being stage managed by Germany to exercise its hegemony in Europe and show who is really boss.

    It has been called by many names..New World Economic Order., Europe United…Last Roman Empire…One World Government….the resultant of the creation of world chaos…. then the emergence of The Leviathan….(not Bushie’s BBE)…wait you guys dont read the New King James Version? …Time you did…


  3. @ Hal Austin

    You talk about the ‘real world’. The real world it the one you masters have created. It look where it has landed us. But you are so misguided you will never see the end of capitalism. Even on its death bed you will still be trying to breathe life into it. And yet you are the first to be critical of those who would like to theorize alternative organizational models. What you call ‘democracy’ came from place not much bigger that Barbados and had a smaller population. Why can’t Barbados seek to imposed an model of governance on the rest of the world? But knowing you this would make this writer uppity or out of place for only white people, in your mind, are to determine these matters.

    Everywhere white people have gone they have destroyed indigenous peoples; polluted the sea, air and land; genetic pollution; introduced more and more deadly weapons of war; increased greed; introduced unsustainable economic systems; heated up the planet; introduced racism; melted the the polar caps; destroyed hundreds of thousands of life forms; and more. You and them have little to be praise for. For this represent the dystopia that you have created.


  4. Baf……………..I am so exhausted from trying to make some understand what is really happening in the world (most of you have been at it longer on this blog, so I truly understand how you must feel) that now we are getting the information of the reality to come in color format and not only black and white ink, maybe the leaders will start to understand the significance of the dangers ahead, maybe.


  5. corruption and greedy govts like cyprus would always come crumbling down. the cyprus govt thought nothing about laws and the transaction of money filtered into that economy by corrupt russian corporations seeking tax havens which help to build cyprus economy the bubble has burst and the their economy would tumble ,meanwhile those corporations would seek out another taxhaven to filter their millions . can it happen in barbados only if we in our haste to build the economy use greed and corruption to be the building blocks,


  6. AC………..understand this, the Barbados governments has for some years now been solely dependent on tax evaders, Barbados is a tax haven, using double taxation treaties just like Cyprus et al, they have been displaying just as much greed, why do you think the economy is in such dire straits like everywhere else, all their eggs have been in the offshore sector basket, as well as the tourism basket, greed and corruption were already the building blocks of both DLP/BLP. You need to start preparing your box of tissues, yes, it’s that bad.


  7. @Pacha

    Your coop model has been championed on BU by Bush Tea for many years but hear this: it will only be given a semblance of thought when the traditional system collapses. There are all those affinities which are bred and rooted in the exisiting system which unplugging from is not as easy as you are making out.


  8. And here I was thinking that color illustrations would have been of some help in getting some folks to recognize the problems Bim will face going forward. Guess the only color some are capable of seeing are party colors.

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    old onion bags | March 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM |
    snip
    ..the resultant of the creation of world chaosโ€ฆ. then the emergence of The Leviathanโ€ฆ.(not Bushieโ€™s BBE)โ€ฆwait you guys dont read the New King James Version? โ€ฆTime you didโ€ฆ

    Rev 13 : 1- 4 KJV
    And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his head blasphemy.
    2. And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were as of feet of a bear and his mouth as the mouth of a lion : and the dragon gave HIM HIS GREAT POWER, and his SEAT and great authority.
    3.And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly waound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
    4. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying :Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
    …….verse 5 …even more interesting…
    5.And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    A parallel read Daniel Chp.7 verse 1 – 28…about this infamous rising beast…He told this to Belshazzar as the interpetation of his uneasy dream many many yrs ago….


  10. What the hell Onions!!! Respect dread….
    You does read those type of things…? ๐Ÿ™‚

    @ David
    “…..it will only be given a semblance of thought when the traditional system collapses.”
    ********
    …that will be too late.

    Now perhaps you will understand that ONLY someone with the tenacity, balls and experience at being a REBEL like Caswell could pull off such a coup proactively.
    With all his faults, (perhaps BECAUSE OF all his faults) Caswell is a special gift to Barbados , but it takes a level of wisdom and understanding to appreciate that fact that even Caswell does not have.

    It is a bit late now, but perhaps still worth a shot….

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    @ Bushie……( you got jokes )

    If Lex protege’ duz read?…….books all bout in hay live vines climbing to D roof outback man…Cawmere days din dun wid C .Pilgrim’s Progress…Boss ah only wish summa DEM in now in dey, dey won mekk sa many mistakes ….if only sum would follow suit….unna duz hear the miller?… he at home readin now….man isa boss…unna see Check-it…D same….if waana wanta learn sumthin…read…and not just sponge bob doa…lol


  12. @ David

    The co-op model has been corrupted and has regressed over the years. As a result its development was not unlike capitalism. We are saying that both capitalism and Marxism have failed and we are to go beyond them. Beyond traditional co-operative practices. Our point is that we cannot wait for the final collaspe of capitalism to start a conversation about how we govern ourselves. We have to have plans right now to implement when the time comes. When we create the circumstances for their implementation. This has always been a big problem for Barbados. Barbados does not know how to develop plans in case a range of scenarios come about. For example, Barbados cannot even think about developing a strtegic plan that assumes the US dollar loses its reserve status, or in case sea level rises by 3 to 5 feets wiping out the tourism infrastructure. The national ethos informs us that we should wait on somebody else to make plans for us or that god is a Bajan so all will be well.


  13. Does anyone know if the Central Bank of Barbados has gold holdings?


  14. The latest ramifications of this thread โ€˜Onionsโ€™ quoting the Bible, this is where he and Miller part ways; โ€Pachamamaโ€ promoting a Governmental/societal change hitherto unknown/untried in recorded history dare I say โ€“Utopian-; then โ€œโ€˜Davidโ€ actually pretending to understand the BS that Bushie is disseminating the majority of which lesser unread mortals like me canโ€™t fathom.

    Itโ€™s a beautiful day.

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    @ Sarge
    You can’t talk Comando Zero…… see the miller..cuz we dont always see to d meniscus level….no need for ur oyez


  16. @ Pacha

    Stop being silly and juvenile and grow up. If you are having a debate, then let us do so with ideas, not silly personal attacks. If you do not lie our social order, and you have a right not to agree, then for the sake of a quality debate then tell us what you want, what is your vision for Barbados.
    Stop playing the man and not the ball. I know it is a Bajan disease – just look at Governor de Lisle Worrell, always telling us what he does not like and what would not work, but never what he prefers and what would work.
    The other silly Bajanisms are: do you have a PhD in the subject? If the answer is no, then you do not know what you are talking about. Or, which party do you support?
    There are other civilised ways of debating without getting personal or party political.


  17. Time to go and tek yuh money out and start using the UTM


  18. Agree ! sargeant.!


  19. The bilateral tax treaty negotiated with Canada in particular has been a political-football for the government of that country. The treaty was made to allow the profits for IBCs and offshore banking companies to be repatriated to Canada tax-free after paying taxes in Barbados.

    The aim was mainly for companies like the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC), Royal Bank of Canada (RBC), and Scotiabank, which (along with Barclays of the United Kingdom), when-combined control a healthy majority of Barbados’ local Commercial Banking sector. In essence the treaty makes the economy of Barbados almost an unofficial part of the Canadian economy.

    It was aimed at allowing Canadian companies to extract profits back to Canada more easily.

    During the Canadian national elections of 2003 and 2006, it was cited that the former Minister of Finance and later Prime Minister Paul Martin had international shipping companies that operated in Barbados’ offshore sector under the bilateral treaty possibly saving his company from higher taxes in Canada.


  20. Because he was economically savvy. It will not work in Canada’s favor anymore given the financial turmoil starting to roll around.


  21. Smart people will listen to Islandgirl………….


  22. @ Hal Austin

    You have never made contact with our proposal for a participatory society. That is the idea we have put on the table. We guess that any serious, grown up idea must be located within the bounds acceptable to your masters. Under that scenario you want to continue seeing Barbados as a small, helpless, dependent country, no? We do not intend to add one ounce of concrete to prop up a dying system. Or like you, forever tinker with it. We have called for radical transformation. A transformation that will eliminate your conception of normalcy and the existence of your masters. Capitalism has wrecked havoc everywhere and yet the mindless will provide it with a head, a mouth and walk and breathe for it. Your thinking represents the eternal fear of most black people. A fear of cutting the master’s apron string. Be a real man. There is no need to forever parrot the thinking of massa. Let us go beyond that and create the world you want.

    We noticed that while you asked for a genuine debate, on one hand, you found time to join a line of ill-wishers who like to be overly critical of Delisle Worrell, on the other. In a place where in-breeding is rife. A place that creates good christian ‘boys’ like you. Boys who love queen and pound. Boys thought to serve massa exclusively. Delisle Worrrel in some ways better represent the average good Bajan than most. No such critique of OSA – a man who brought a perverse form of capitalism to Barbados by among other things comodifying land. In any event the real reason for present circumstances go beyond Worrell, or Arthur, or anybody else in Barbados. There is where you gun should be pointed not engage in a critique of Worrell that is primarily partisan- political. This crassness cannot best be located in a mind that seek enduring solutions to our problems. You have no distinctive voice of your own. Some say a parrot we say a guard dog. A dog that barks when told to.


  23. @ Pacha

    i am not sure what you mean by a participatory society. I am in favour of democratising our society to the lowest level, where the decision have their greatest impact.
    And, I also favour the restructuring of parilament, both the Senate and House of Assembly, to give voters thre right of recall, the freezing of salaries for the duration of this parliament and thd equalising of parliamentary salaries with the Barbadian average in future.
    I believe in the hypothecating of taxation, so that taxpayers know how their money is being spent; I believe honorary official and parliamentarians should not have defined benefit pensions for serving the people, but instead should be given a resettlement grant, of no more than six months’ pay.
    I believe that Senators should be appointed by the Privy Council for a fixed term of seven months and that should be a one-off appointment. The Senate should also be mandated to review parliamentary proposals with an expertise we do not have in the lower house.
    I believe the age of majority should sbe 16 – given that it was in 1963 we reduced it from 21 to the preent 18.
    I believe that we should reorganise the police, desolve the Defence Force and strengthen the Coastguard.
    I believe that we should reform the civii; service, make teaching a post-graduate profession, gradually increase the education budget to 15 per cent of GDP.
    i also believe that the people should have a right in deciding the kind of society they want, not that dreamed up by dreamers.
    The mission of politics, of post-independence politics in particular, was to increase the lifestyles of ordinary Barbadians.
    At this simple mission we have failed.
    By the way, I am not a Marxist because when Marx’s daughter Laura linked up with the mixed race Cuban Lefargue Marx’s behaviour was frankly racist.
    Read the historty of the Comintern and that of George Padmore, the dynamic Trinidadian-Barbadian who live and worked in Moscow with the Comintern.
    In that he has behave like most Marxists. Check out the history of the Patrice Lumumba university in Moscow and how black people got on there before the Iron Curtains came down; even in China, with its own brand of Marxism, talk to black people who have visited or lived there.
    We need a better society in Barbados, that should keep us all busy.


  24. money funny, 21st Century equality = debt slavery poverty for all


  25. @ Hal Austin

    Everything you say is still located within the existing paradigm. It is all TINKERING – nothing more. You are trying to make the system better. We are about its total destruction. How much clearer can we be. We can’t tell why your brain can only think that if someone is not a capitalist he/she must be a Marxist, Leninist, Maoist or somewhere in between. Some gradation of socialism. WE ARE SAYING THAT THIS WHOLE ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCTION IS ANACHRONISTIC. We have to go beyond all of these because they have all failed or are failing.

    You say that people should be able to create the society they want but this has never happen on this earth. The so-called democracy was to deliver that but we ended up with sleek con men like Bernays and Lippmann that were able to engineer consent to do things anathema to public interests. We do not believe that any semblance of imperialism should exist anywhere. So for us the Parliament, Senate and all other manifestation should be erased from the landscape. This is the change we seek.


  26. The russian investors/are the kinds that Miller and onions find appealing. the kinds that offer a “quick fix “for an ailing economy and when hell break loose they leave the govt to fend for itself.


  27. @ Pacha

    Do you want anarchy? Or simply know what you do not want, but not what you want? I am familiar with the tendency to knock down ideas, but an inability to put forward alternatives.
    Tell what what kind of society you will like to see, if none of the existing paradigms, then what? Or is it so secret you cannot debate it?
    Tell us what is this unique way of social organisation that you and your mates have in your heads but are unable to articulate.


  28. Let us say this one more time, permit us to be brief. We have championed the idea of a participatory society, as an alternative. A participatory society, at its centre, calls for the equitable distribution of work, power and rewards. This means an equitable distribution of production, the sharing of power and rewards. We are seeking to constrain or defuse the undue influence of capital. We gave some examples in earlier posts.


  29. @ Paca

    Pachamama you are still incoherent and illogical. What kind of participatory society do you want? A participatory democracy? One on the basic principles of the Paris Commune? Of course, your participatory society will be historically unique, so do explain exactly what you are aiming for.
    One that calls for an equitable distribution of production, the sharing of power and rewards.
    What is the best way of organising such a society? The sharing of power? And rewards?
    Are we going to have workers’ collectives to distribute the means of production? Who is going to decide who are the carpenters, masons, economists, journalists, teachers?
    How are we going to organise power? Through workers’ collectives? Or village communes? Or are we going to redefine the concept of power?
    How are we going to resolve differences of opinion? By votes, or talking until we convince each other?
    What are going to be the rewards for our labour? Money, property, titles, community receptions?
    Pachamama understandably you are unhappy with the chaotic nature of political and social organisation in Barbados, but you have not worked out exactly what kind of society you want in a practical way. Have you though t of the conservative nature of Barbadian society? Do you think they will march behind you?
    Pacha, I was born and reaised in Barbados, I remember it from even before the DLP was created and visit two or three times a year. I can tell you now that there will be no social revolution in Barbados.
    But I still want to learn from you. You may be the next great social theorist.


  30. @Hal

    Thanks, BU has been having this ongoing debate with Pacha and Bushie for a while. They want to dismantle as oppose to improve on. It cannot happen unless there is anarchy read rubble. We all understand where they are both coming from but the quantum leap required to get there will only occur if there is some catastrophic experience. Until it occurs it will remain an esoteric debate in the virtual space because no one s having it ship side. Yes all will whisper behind closed doors that the current system is spent, hell even the billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet say so but until the obvious occurs all will remain in the comfort zone in which they have been socialized.


  31. @ Hal Austin

    We don’t pretend that we have answered all the questions. But we can at least agree on one thing you said about transforming Barbados even though our aims do not consider Barbados alone. We are in many places but Barbados is not one. While Barbados will NEVER accept radical transformation we think it can be ‘adopted’ in many places if a critical mass within the international governing system accepts the need for a new system. That is our target. You can see the BRICS country are trying to forge a different path, no?


  32. @ David

    It is the kind of politics you get in students unions. I spent my formative years as a member of the National Union of Students, during the years when students used to occupy university offices, march on the US embassy and general indulge in agit prop. But we grow up.
    The great author of those days still shaped my world view. Marcuse, Frantz Fanon, Sartre, Cesaire, et al.
    But I also know that for a micro society like Barbados to move on we cannot indulge in what European or North American students do.
    In fact, Barbadian students are some of the most conservative I have eve seen.
    I want change in Barbados too, but something that is achievable, practical and in the interest of ordinary people.


  33. @Sarge

    One should never be dismissive of ideas just because you don’t agree. Some of the greatest experiences the world has witnessed started because of an idea which only the person who conceived it believed at the time.


  34. @ David

    Your are wrong. For example, we toured a company in Spain recently. A company called Mondragon. An international company that employs nearly 100,000 people that runs on participatory ideas. We can go and on. David one night you when to sleep and wake up next morning to find Communism gone the way of the dodo birds. Why do you seem to find it impossible, after all that is happening, for capitalism to cease to exist?


  35. @ Pachamama

    Are you now championing the Brics? Brazil, do the workers share in that prosperity? Brazil has the biggest population of black people in the world outside Africa, they are not even second class citizens? Is that what you want? A nation ridden with militarism?
    Russia, the nation that gave birth to gangster capitalism? India, the most corrupt, evil so-called democracy in the world? China, still controlled by the communist party but creating more billionaires than any other nation in the world? I wonder how they get so rich?
    Pacha you and your mates have a lot of homework to do. Get reading and discussing your ideas.


  36. @ Sargeant
    “…….lesser unread mortals like me canโ€™t fathom.”
    ***********
    It is always best to face facts. …a good beginning.
    You may or may not be comforted by the fact that ac is fully on board with you ๐Ÿ™‚ …wunna can flock together.

    @ Panchamamma
    You want a participatory government and you are prepared to dismiss the Cooperative model because the “co-op model has been corrupted and has regressed over the years.”
    …mistake!

    …so has everything else like community values, national service and the like. …..with enough effort, the best of systems can be misused.

    But…
    NOTHING beats the coop model of governance. It values people over assets and presents a perfect framework for the building of true democracy.
    LOL
    The coop model is so sound that even Bajan brass bowls have been able to make an outstanding success of the one model that they have seriously adopted – credit unions. …. ๐Ÿ™‚ – ask Caswell

    ….only problem is that having accumulated over a billion dollars in assets, they have just turned that money over to the foreign banking system to be used by foreigners to buy out the assets of the very Bajan owners…. …all like ac so…. Told you they were brass bowls… LOL


  37. @ Hal Austin

    I have been ignoring your cheeky remarks to concentrate on the real issue at hand but this nonsense about student union discussion shows us that you are not exposed to a wider set of ideas. Ideas that are not encourage in any school known to you. Why would they want to do that? The schools you know do not even want to give students an accurate account of the history of capitalism far less alternative models. You insist on locating these ideas somewhere on the fringe of your normalcy. At the same time you just want to continue tinkering with a bankrupt system forever. This is your comfort zone. Capitalism is therefore a gift from your god and thus cannot be challenged


  38. @ Pachamama

    I was not being disrespectful, but just recognising the incoherent nature of your argument. To mention the Brics proved the point. Not one meets your criteria for a participatory society.
    As I said, you are disillusioned with the present nature of Barbadian society, and frustrated with the dominant Anglo-Saxon model; but you have not create a logically coherent social theory on which a new Barbados can be framed.
    You need to go back to the drawing board and work on exactly what you want. Of course, if you want to bounce ideas off me plse do so – in private if necessary.

    ,


  39. @ David

    Your are deliberately taking us out of context. We cited the BRICS because there are certain truisms that can no longer be ignored. One body wants to call me an Anarchist and the wants to say we are championing parties. We were merely citing certain movements away for western capitalism. We will ignore all these movements at out peril. A new world is being born. We ignore it and will always be somebody’s colony.


  40. @Pacha

    Perhaps we need to take a couple of steps back. How are new models/systems given their genesis and impetus?


  41. @ Pachamama

    Again you misunderstand. There is no one form of capitalism. US capitalism is different to Western European, which different to Nordic, which is different to Russian, which is different to Baltic, which is different to South Asian, which is different to Chinese.
    I take your point that societies evolve. What you have to do is take a closer sociological look at Barbadian society, unless you are hoping to build a universal theory of society.


  42. @ Pachamama

    You are doing your Bajan trick again, asking questions but not putting forward your own ideas.
    Most social theories come out of academic discussions and are later put in to practice by politicians.
    Those of us who believe in praxis – one of my extended essay at college was on the Frankfurt School – the applying of theory and practice.
    This is why the great theorists were also involved in social action: George Padmore, CLR James, Herbert Marcuse, Sartre, Che Guevara, the list is endless.


  43. @ Bush Tea

    We are generally on the say side of this issue. However, we are prepared to argue that the co-op model still has elements that are anti-democratic. For example, power is not effectively shared. Senior management are allowed to focilise in positions for far to long. It has been unable to properly share work, power and rewards. This power concentration is not dissimilar to capitalism. The co-op movement still run largely by committees, committees that are drawn from a small group of members who play musical cheers and sometimes serve, on various committees, for far too long. And so on …..


  44. @ Bush Tea
    You are spot on. The theory and practice of cooperation and trade unionism are totally different. I recently closed a bank account with the Coop Bank because of What I perceived to be dodgy behaviour.
    Also, I remember after Enoch Powell’s speech in in April 1968, the number of trade unionists who marched in his support.
    Many of the dockers became black cabn drivers in London and to this day, generations later, they do not like carrying black people.
    Then there are the Labour Party and the Church of England. When Anglicans first came from the Caribbean believing they were members of the Church of England they had a rude awakening. So with the Labour Party.
    They have now appropriated immigration in order to grab government. No principles as usual.


  45. @ David
    We told you before that Barbados cannot be any catalyst for radical transformation. That change would have to be imposed from outside


  46. @Pacha

    Accept that germane to any healthy system of government is a willing participation by a nucleus of the people. You can design any system but the people will have to fully participate to achieve the egalitarian behaviour you are searching for. Note that no system can be perfect.


  47. @Pacha

    Explain something. If Barbados were to be the exponent of a new way, whatever it may be – can we do it based on an economy which is 75% domestic? Just asking.


  48. @ Pacha

    The answer is yes, but we will have to re-define what we mean by economic growth. People will have to accept a decent level of prosperity ie Norway. We will have to moderate our lifestyle. I am for that, are you?
    If we are addicted to an ever growing GDP, then the answer is no.


  49. @ Hal Austin

    We are surprised that you have accepted that the notion of continued growth cannot be supported by mother earth. It we can use this as a point of departure there can surely be enough space for a real discussion


  50. @ Pachamama

    There is a limit to growth. Just one example: the internal combustion engine was invented just over 100 years ago and in that time it has done more damage to Planet Earth than the previous 10000.
    The world population is expected to growth to over nine billion by 2020, which means that Barbados can expect a population increase of about 150000.
    How are we going to support all those people?

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