Barbados Estimates 2012-2013 Revenue: You Tell Me BU, Are We As A Nation In TROUBLE

Austin

The current DLP keeps telling Bajans that things are “OK and NOT that bad in Barbados”,  however below is the overall summary of the DLP produced 2012-2013 Barbados Estimates.  The DLP has given Bajans (5) straight years of a major account deficits due to poor fiscal alignment, budgeting coupled with ZERO fiscal vision for Barbados.

  • Estimated Current Barbados Revenue – $2,656,139,783
  • Estimated Total Barbados Expenditure – $3,645,859,147
  • Estimated Excess of Total Expenditure over Current Revenue $989,719,364
  • Capital Expenditure at January 31, 2012 increased by 6.2% over capital expenditure for the same period in fiscal year 2010-2011
(excerpt from DLP produced 2012-2013 Barbados Estimates)

Now you tell me BU does the 2012-2013 Barbados Estimates summary above give you the “warm fuzzy” that things are OK in Barbados, keeping the PM in mind and the possibility of giving the DLP another term?

A Few Facts

  • In 2008 under the BLP corporate taxes earned $499 million dollars today under the DLP corporate taxes are bringing in $203 million dollars LESS than 4 years ago.
  • In the 2011-2012 DLP projected budget revenue was 2.5 billion, actual revenue was 2.4 billion, a budget “over estimation” of $100 million.

Now a little on our recent Moody’s report which did not downgrade Barbados but “WARNED” that Barbados national expenditures MUST be reduced to avoid a downgrade in the next period (see excerpts from Moody’s report below:

Rating Outlook:

Barbados’ ratings have a negative outlook. The negative outlook reflects Moody’s view that while the worst appears to be behind in terms of economic deterioration, and deficits should continue decreasing slowly due to the government’s strategy of gradual fiscal consolidation, they will remain relatively large for the next few years unless the government takes more drastic action than currently expected. As a result, government debt ratios are likely to deteriorate further over the next 12 to 18 months to levels that may no longer be consistent with an investment grade rating.  The negative outlook also reflects the possibility that pressures on Barbados’ fixed exchange rate could result due to an anticipated rise in the current account deficit in a context of large and increasing government deficits.

What Could Change the Rating – Up:

Given the negative outlook, Barbados’ ratings are unlikely to face upward pressure in the near-to-medium term. However, the outlook could return to stable if Moody’s determines that (i) the government is likely to exceed current expectations regarding the pace of fiscal consolidation, (ii) economic growth is likely to pick up on a sustained basis, and (iii) the government demonstrates a credible plan to successfully reverse the recent increase in debt ratios.

What Could Change the Rating – Down:

The ratings will be downgraded if Moody’s determines that the recent increase in debt levels is not likely to be reversed in the near-to-medium term, or if pressures on the currency peg materialize.

In closing on this submission based on facts … you tell me BU does it appear that this is the time for us as a nation to be building a “society” like the DLP likes to say, or is this building a society talk a distraction from the real state of national affairs?

0 thoughts on “Barbados Estimates 2012-2013 Revenue: You Tell Me BU, Are We As A Nation In TROUBLE


  1. On point Bruv, you have concisely presented the facts , we eagerly await their defence with bated breath.


    • @Ken Smith

      There is no defense per se.

      What Austin’s submission does not acknowledge is the prevailing economic climate.

      While we can dismiss it it is a reality.

      However the facts show that the economy has been struggling, the debate will always be how much better can we have done given real world realities.


    • The other issue has to do with comparing the BLP’s record to that of the DLP.

      Unfortunately it is a comparison the government will have to endure but it is like comparing batsmen from different eras.


  2. If bajans take time to look, listen and READ – the facts of the under-performing current DLP administration speak for themselves.

    Bajans wanted “CHANGE in 2008” and all they have received in the last 4 years is “POCKET CHANGE” …. And now they even want the “POCKET CHANGE BACK”.

    As a fair minded man;

    Blaming the global recession for the drop in tourism – I can understand;
    Blaming the global recession for the inadequacies and failures of the current government – I CANNOT understand.

    A few examples:

    – The global recession has NOT stopped the current DLP from getting our fiscal house in order by getting government expenditures under control.
    – The global recession has nothing to do with the “NOTHING BUDGET” submitted to bajans recently.
    – The global recession has nothing to do with the poor leadership in the PM office.
    – The global recession has nothing to do with a Ministry of Labor (Dr.Suckoo) who is clueless, when one of the things we need is a Minister of Labor with “a clue”.
    – The global recession has nothing to do with the FIO legislation promise long gone.
    – The global recession has nothing to do with wasted bajan tax payer dollars on bad tourism sustainment ideas (brazil?)

    Every time wrong in Barbados is not global recession related.
    – Man I got a headache – OH IT MUST BE THE GLOBAL RECESSION
    – My left foot hurts – – OH IT MUST BE THE GLOBAL RECESSION
    – Can I get some Cheese on my cheese cutter – NO IT’S THE GLOBAL RECESSION
    – Kids doing bad in school – DAM GLOBAL RECESSION

    This is a crop over 2013 song in the making 🙂


  3. Austin boy nice one,
    Early this morning boy, people pun the outside TALKING…..this last increase in the price of gasoline like it hitting home…..flying fish $25 for 10 reddi bone have people stupessing… they say they not buying,… off road bikers..pun D steam, already we know prices in the supermarket going up up up ..keep it up fellas (Kelli &Co)..We getting it served on a silver platter, wid noteux too .


  4. @austin
    What’s ur suggestion for getting expenditure under control? Capital expenditure isn’t such a bad thing is it? Can anyone point to a reason for the corporate tax drop?

    As david said, the climate isn’t one that stimulates growth, can’t heap all the blame on the government. Curious as to how others would reduce debt ratios without any major “social impact.”. Hard decisions have to be taken, yea, but as another blog mentioned our “social partnership” may not allow for the medicine to be swallowed without a nauseating effect.


  5. @ Observing
    Can anyone point to a reason for the corporate tax drop?
    ***************
    Ammm teacher teacher……the offshore industry exodus under this A……..$500 mill ,3500 jobs…Georgie did fall asleep ..teacher


  6. @Observing

    Yours is a good point if we take government’s announced policy that debt to gdp will be reduced slowly and avoid a draconian approach.

    Isn’t corporation tax calculated based on profit?


  7. No company here to start (pack up and gone)…….no profits to tax..no workers (3500 out of jobs )……no PAYE..no NIS collected….no $$$ to spend in town nor to spend on input Vat, on gasoline……no $$$ to pay shop assistance…..no $$$ in the Treasury….get the drift ?.


  8. Teacher teacher….D bell ring we could go outside and play now.?…I wanna lick out annuda middle stump out the ground cuz Kellman soon gine B batting ( Brass tacks) ? he is the reason we eatting Sardine dis Good Friday and I vex vex……He YORKED ! just watch..


  9. Agreed David. Unsure of how the corporation tax is raked in though. a 200M drop is nothing to sneeze at.. The difficulty government faces is that the measures “seem” to be taking longer or not working..at least this is what persons like austin would want us believe. This is where an efficient spokesman (not speech reader) on the government side could explain the same questions we are asking here for a more balanced understanding of where we stand in relation to where we were…and where we’re going in relation to what we’ve been ask to “endure” now. this lack of education and message is killing us. As onions says…a teacher teacher is needed now more than ever.

    unions gearing up for salary talks after a two year hiatus…..That’s an immediate impact on the emoluments side. Uncertainty regarding removal of Vat. ..well…I can’t see it moving…Con. Councils helping with the electricity bills… may seem like plaster when some a good old cast is what’s needed.

    Notice too Arthur sounding the CLICO bells again as a matter of immediate national interest which he’s willing to adopt a bipartisan approach to….Tactician again. .genuine? maybe not. opportunistic? hell yes. Government on the back foot as we speak? definitely.


  10. @observing

    It seems clear that Senator Darcy Boyce is the architect of the government’s fiscal/monetary policy. It is also evident that he is loath to communicate outside the walls of Government House and the Upper Chamber.


  11. Yes Austin ..to answer you bluntly we are in TROUBLE.

    To have moved from a $2 Billion in Reserves to this is deplorable position… ( a teacher needed ..no a Houdini) deserves a good cut arse .
    There is absolutely no excuse….World economies started to decline since 2005, and there was adequate warning signs coming from all around that the world was going into a recession,…to start buckling up and battering down.Did we see this NO.Instead there was continued extravagant spending,community councils,parties, first class flights and the like.

    Now we are reaping the sours of their follies. A late rush to increase collections( 2.5% Vat, Drug Service hatchet job, gasoline merry go round), while doing NOTHING about the lavish spending, could only speed on the inevitable… AND IT DID.
    No need for the awe, and surprises,….so called economists of ” doom and groom”, often engaged them and they were told this would be our position.
    Now everything is crumbling like a pack of cards……could we seriously entertain their woos ? DEFINITELY NOT…5 more years ? To do what nah ?


  12. The writer is somewhat CORRECT, Barbados is in major fiscal trouble. However suggesting the problem is solely of DLP making is INCORRECT.

    Barbados has been operating financially, for the past 10+ years, on a very slippery slightly downward slope. The have their revenue generating eggs in primarily two baskets, tourism and Off Shore Banking of which neither are they in any position to economically control. The global economy took a significant nose dive in 2008 and has been extremely slow to recover. Add in the EU economic uncertainties of 2011/2012 and you have major downward economic issues. Barbados has never positioned themselves to guard/protect their economy against any prolonged downward global shift and because of this is highly susceptible to fiscal failure. The only and sole reason the country has managed to stay afloat is by dipping extensively into the NIS funds to cover deficit’s. However the NIS surplus is just about exhausted and Barbados will have to go to the global market for funds and that’s when the GREECE scenario will kick in big time. It’s only a matter of time until Barbados will have to devalue it’s currency and borrow money from off shore institutions. Downgrading buy S&P and Moody’s will happen.


  13. @ David | April 2, 2012 at 11:31 AM |
    “It seems clear that Senator Darcy Boyce is the architect of the government’s fiscal/monetary policy. It is also evident that he is loath to communicate outside the walls of Government House and the Upper Chamber.”

    The Barbados economy was like a fly-stick, set and just waiting for a foolish bird to spring it. The architect is a typical example of what older Bajans would call a “book-learnt” idiot just there to remind us of the local proverb that “Edication ain’t Commonsense”. Imagine coming up with a revenue collection measure of increasing the annual license fee on bicycles. Now how the hell can such a tax be collected? From the few old men that still ride their ‘Raleighs’ or ‘Humbers’? Certainly NOT from those young fellas who ride bikes without brakes, lights or reflectors! Who will collect the tax? The Police or the Licensing Authority? Such daft “creative” thinking is clearly a sign that says: “Caution! Monkey conducting business with a loaded fiscal gun in hand.”

    BTW, what is the latest with the marina project? Offshore businessmen pocket the $40 million and set sail for St. Lucia? OSA is a total let down in this area and should be made to walk the plank.


  14. Though the CLICO fiasco nips away from the main chords of this sad sonnet, worthy of mention is the lack of remorse for the punishment the people endure…”We have nothing to apologize for.” says alot of the don’t care-ish attitude not to mention,grasping of the magnitude of what’s ahead of us come what may. Barbados reached the turning point…. ahead is a PERFECT STORM…..everything is right for collapse of the middle class. We need direction and we need it like yesterday.Why some make the decision to prolong the inevitable,smacks or arrogance to the nth.


  15. @ old onion bags | April 2, 2012 at 6:24 PM |
    “…. ahead is a PERFECT STORM…..everything is right for collapse of the middle class. ”
    Totally agree!
    It is that educated ‘middle layer’ of society that first sprouted from the 50’s and really expanded or burgeoned from the 70’s that is keeping this country one riot away from third world status or what some would call a “failed state”- (Hal, no offence meant just borrowing your phrase used in an earlier post). In the coming storm the so-called middle class and ‘nouveau riche’ are the ones most at risk. Not the well off, not the East Indian community, and certainly not the poor whom Black Stalin describes as sufferers who do not care about tomorrow.

    Life has a way of dealing us a hand we might not find attractive but any good dominoes player would tell you that having five twos or deuces is no guarantee for winning the game; especially if you have not posed. = It is how we play the hand that we have been dealt that matters most. F J S is certainly not good at political dominoes.
    Destroy the middle class and you will kill your own Double Six.


  16. Austin and his fellow BLP yardfowls on the blog are really the manifestation of the old Bajan saying “the higher the monkey climb, the more he show he tail”.
    A total waste of space – They will need to make more space at the Sewerage plant just now Austin, if you keep producing this crap at such a furious space.
    Bajans are not as stupid as the BLP yardfowls hope they are. Come again!


  17. The BLP lackeys like Austin say that they are tired hearing about the “Global recession”.
    Therefore the intelligent thing would be to look at other tourism dependent economies like Barbados and see how these economies are doing:
    Jamaica, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, Antigua – all in IMF programmes…..hmmmmmmm – Let us try the Bahamas: – negative growth in 2008 , 2009 and virtually no growth in 2010 …..hmmmmm- It must be only coincidence- It certainly cannot be that imaginary global recession.
    We should have known that the DLP was responsible for all these economies because surely the “imaginary global recession” could not be the reason!
    So let us have an urgent election in all of these countries because if only Jamaica, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, Antigua, The Bahamas could get rid of the DLP , then all their economies would see the magical influx of tourists and growth that they are all looking for!


  18. The BLP propaganda will fool those who allow themselves to be fooled by it.
    They want to compare a tourism dependent economy like Barbados during a time when the source markets are growing to a time when those same markets are in recession.
    Austin reasons that this”global recession” should only affect tourism. Boy the BLP monkey really exposing he tail!
    NEWSFLASH – Tourism drives the Barbados economy and without the tourism spending, there will be a drag on economic growth and recovery.
    NEWSFLASH – The BLP does not have any secret tourists waiting for an election to come to Barbados.
    People do not be fooled – The BLP knows this but they beleive that there are people out there gullible enough to believe them. I am not, Are You?


  19. The BLP has so neglected the folks of St. George South and now have the audacity to ask those same people for votes. Owen Arthur gave Louis Tull virtually no roadworks for 14 years- The people of St. George south will not forget the way how the BLP neglected them. Shame on Owen Arthur.


  20. The international funding agencies want the DLP to start sending home public sector workers – the DLP government has said NO WAY!. It is better to make adjustments during times of economic growth- When Sir Courtney Blackman said that he alerted the BLP in 2001 to stop packing the public service, his warnings were ignored.
    The stacking of the public service for political favour was encouraged by the BLP culminating with the political appointment vote catching stunt just before the last election. Owen Arthur always did what was in the short term political interest and he is trying to use that playbook again this year.He will fool only those who allow themselves to be fooled.


  21. ‘OSA is a total let down in this area and should be made to walk the plank’
    It is obvious that the Global Recession would have some negative impact on the economy of Barbados but it is clear too that the policies of the DLP would also have contributed to our present difficulties.By now it should be clear for all to see that management of the barbados economy is a skilled undertaking which requires a skilled manager to cut and contrive. Rather than seek to learn,they employed political slogans like “Barbados is not only an economy but a society”to mask their economic management shortcomings , they poohpohed the discipline of economic management and ostracised their best practitioners like pro fesor alleyne early in their term particularly when he was praised by Mr Arthur in a budget reply for his advice. It would have been in times like these that the skills of Mr mascoll would have been a blessing but he too was unceremoniously sacrificed on the altar ofpolitical expediency.Except for the IMF imposed medium fiscal strategy, there has been no innovative effort to deal with the circumstances. Rather it has been blame, blame, blame. As much as i hate to agree with overly partisan commentators like ole onions, our fiscal deficit has been exacerbated through profligate spending of what we do not have to live a political lie so to speak. i hope that commonsense prevails sooner rather than later because i would like the boys to get another term.
    yes, they have given OSA an oppositionist wicket to bat on but unfortunately he can see no further than the political mileage to be gained. i hope that the economy turns around so that he and his gang of five can warm the opposition benches for another five years and fresh faces appear on the horizon.


  22. @ !
    By now it should be clear for all to see that management of the barbados economy is a skilled undertaking which requires a skilled manager to cut and contrive.
    snip……………..>
    they poohpohed the discipline of economic management and ostracised their best practitioners like pro fesor alleyne early in their term particularly when he was praised by Mr Arthur in a budget reply for his advice. It would have been in times like these that the skills of Mr mascoll would have been a blessing
    snip………………..>
    AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
    snip…………………..>
    Except for the IMF imposed medium fiscal strategy, there has been no innovative effort to deal with the circumstances. Rather it has been blame, blame, blame. As much as i hate to agree with overly partisan commentators like ole onions, our fiscal deficit has been exacerbated through profligate spending of what we do not have to live a political lie so to speak.
    THANK YOU …………..balance…….sometimes one needs to be overly partisan for love of a country that meansdone so much to ME…..


  23. Both the DLP and the BLP must be removed from the parliament of this country in six (6) years time.

    They demonstrate no vision, no clarity of profound political thought no consistency of progressive political action whatsoever.

    They do not have the perspicacity nor political will to move this country forwards upwards and onwards, just flipping backwards.

    They are two failed idiotic parties that MUST GO.

    Barbados is moving fast towards becoming a banana republic within the next 10 to 15 years.

    And the only real and significant real hope is for the average man and woman in the countryt to help get the rid of these old backward parties and replace them with the right ones.

    The thing to realize is that to get the rid of DLP/BLP problems in this country is to PERMANENTLY remove them from the political landscape of this country.

    PDC


  24. Why this PDC man don’t give it a REST doa ?…anybody cud tell me?

    Boss…..read my lips…..nabody don’t vote for a third party bout hay….especially when it got in only ONE MAN …cheezon !


  25. @!
    As in another thread where u only half answered, what has the government done to a) improve the debt service ratio, b) decrease expenditure generally and c) prepare the economy for growth? While you’re at it, bajans have been forced (not asked) to sacrifice and “suffer” a lot….how will our sacrifice make our lot better in the medium term? What “thanks” can we expect??


  26. Have not read anywhere the PDC asking for a vote for self. In fact the PDC has never fielded a slate of candidates which would have given them the opportunity to command majority seats. Let us view the PDC like the PEP, political pressure groups.


  27. Ok I get it …THE DESTABILIZING FACTOR..in short …..a fly (move)

    This country already destabilize PVC man…….you don’t see we under IMF measures……why you want to destabilize it further…..quizzes me….all for a rise of a future party in 14 years (PDC) ?…just don’t make sense again….anybody cud explain the rationale to me ?


  28. its one thing to hear the DLP and BLP people on this blog sound off on these matters. what is most telling is that you hear Mascoll and Arthur on the say matters but you can’t/don’t hear anyone from the government’s side defending their policies.

    they come and tell you this is what it is going to be and that is it. nothing more. case in point, persons have been questioning if the VAT will go back down to 15%. i have read all kinds of comments saying it will not, its a guessing game but the people who could say have not, as yet.

    ! you could come and say whatever you feel like but at the end of day most bajans feel this group of person are incompetent. it not just a BLP supporter thing but of course you could all feel free to believe that, your time for telling will come soon.


  29. @ Observing (and waiting)
    While you’re at it, bajans have been forced (not asked) to sacrifice and “suffer” a lot….how will our sacrifice make our lot better in the medium term? What “thanks” can we expect??
    ***************************************
    What thanks you can expect Observing ?…….Observing,..you (we) have been answered already….didn’t you go to the meeting @ Springer Mem.School?….”we have nothing to apologize for “….. so we can take it or leave it…or X -it or keep it…..lol


  30. You BLP people, Clyde Mascol and Owen Arthur are two failed economists who were in charge of Barbados economy in time of plenty and they failed to restructure the economy. Now they want it restructured by the DLP knowing that restructuring will cause some pain and Barbadians have a low tolerance level for pain and will turn to someone else who promise relief from the pain.

    You brag that they were responsible for the best economy and the amount of foreign exchange they left; therefore you must accept that they also fail to restructure the economy from the high dependency on tourism, FDI and off shore business. They just borrowed a lot of the Ponzi schemes money and hoarded it for a rainy day. The fact is that the money has to be paid back You must accept that government is a continuum and every January the 30 million US dollars of that borrowed foreign exchange is used to pay for the Prison, conceptualized by the great economists.

    The DLP always have to make the hard decisions that make people feel some pain and then come along the BLP to live large.

    Mr. Stuart, I can see your government trying very hard behind the scenes to get us out of this trouble by making the ministries very conservative in their spending. Do not mind people like onions and miller. You have proven the doom and gloomers wrong. If we have to crash then let the great magicians have the government to make the hard decisions of sending home public workers like in UK, Spain Greece and US.
    Owen Arthur has never in his time as PM taken a hard decision that would have made this country a better country.


  31. @ Clone
    Man restructuring what….like you is the only body nowadays who ain’t realize that the man lost his way ! What you call destroying the Middle Class and.enduring endless pain.. a walk in the park ?.Ludicrous…even from a Clone like you.
    All you all offering is a bunch of excuses..(about global economies)….and doing nothings for the workers of AX and Clico pensioners….but quick to ask the people to endure MORE PAIN..? I sure not even you believe yourself…tell DEM to sell the BMW’s and Jaguars and Audi’s first …then someone may consider your draconian measure with more seriousness, if at all. By the way PEOPLE saying,,,” they can’t wait..enuff is enuff..”quote


  32. If we have to crash then let the great magicians have the government to make the hard decisions of sending home public workers like in UK, Spain Greece and US.
    **********************
    You said it…the real intentions…after Fuc%ing up D place…..bunch of nauseating jokers…..know it would come out…..but remember Sandi…not easily forgotten….


  33. @ Clone
    I never knew sending home public servants in the UK was a hard decision. As far as I know, that decision was based on political ideology more so than fiscal necessity and was quite easy for the Conservative government, which is known to be anti-public service.


  34. Speaking for “myself” and my experiences with the public service like many bajans …. we have public servants that honestly do a very poor job that either need retraining or released from duty (Dr.Suckoo is a good example) ….”protecting under-performancers appears to be the longstanding MO of the DLP”


  35. “Mr. Stuart, I can see your government trying very hard behind the scenes to get us out of this trouble by making the ministries very conservative in their spending.”

    how do you people really sit down and type so much crap? the only minister of government that is talking is Dennis Kellman. i got to give it to him, good or bad he is talking. so please, please explain what is the trying hard you see Clone. i don’t mean to come across as if i knocking the government but i trying hard like you say they are, to see your point.


  36. @clone
    You realise that not one of the BLP yardfowls on the blog got the guts to engage the economic argument. They are telling Bajans that the global recession is imaginary and it is not the cause of the sluggish economy.
    Therefore, they should have the “balls” to tell the people of Barbados on what occasion, there was massive recession in our source markets and the Barbados economy was thriving. I am observing (and waiting).
    SNIP
    Owen Arthur never accomplished that in 14 years. The growth in the BLP years “coincidentally” occured with growth in the UK and US economy .hmmmmm – The growth and economic management that the BLP talks about was not driven by Tourism and international business but by some economic messiah,right?.stupse!
    SNIP
    Maybe, just maybe there could be some relation. All the talk about skilled economic managers – joke. Clyde Mascoll has no respect or admiration for anyone in the BLP but Clyde’s ego will prevent him from publicly admitting the truth even though he spent most of his political life saying that.
    SNIP
    I repeat the BLP does not own any big oil wells to flood Barbados with cheap oil and lower electricity bills.The BLP does not have any thousands of tourists out there waiting for an election like some bloggers.
    Get real and stop fooling yourselves and the public. There is no magic wand silver bullet solution or Prime Minister out there.Get Real.


  37. clone dont/even engage the blp clowns with there one issue TOPIC CLICO and the mighty OSA tagging along with them. Every political ,rally it is the same ole sh..t CLICO talk and nothing new to say about how he going to RESTORE the economy. When was the last time OSA ran a country in a global recession. OSA has become a bag of hot air fullyinflated and an ego twice the size. all that OSA has said so far is all the electorate gonna hear and that is a lot of crap.


  38. @balance
    The respected Professor Frank Alleyne who was chairman of the Council Of Economic Advisors was on a Brass Tacks programme in 2011 and clearly brought a refreshing and realistic presence to the debate.
    Unfortunately, the public seems to have to endure the same columnists and moderators over and over and over and over in this debate.
    Thankfully, the professor’s talents are still being utilised in service of our great country.He calls it like it is unlike some others whose economics varies with their politics.


  39. Onion
    All you do is talk bare ……..You never get involved in serious debate. This is an educated world my friend and no ………talker like you will get me confuse.

    Mr Enuff most of you are like that, just find a dotish counter argument.
    .

    The point was that the big countries in the world have been taking harsh measures to keep their economies afloat.

    Only this weekend in the Saturday Sun a story spoke about Barbados being ranked sixth in the world for densest network of roads per land mass and in the top 50 for car ownership. This is a 2012 special publication by the Economist.

    It is through the taxes that you paid over the years that we have this dense network of road. Not a bad statistic BUT

    You can praise your great economist for the vision that he wants to see a car in every garage THAT HAS PUT THIS COUNTRY IN A MESS WITH HIS CHAMPAGNE TASTE AND MAUBY POCKET MENTALITY. The far reaching effects are more foreign exchange required to buy the cars. More foreign exchange to buy the petrol and all the parts for repair. More pollution and more money for hospital care for lung diseases.


  40. The BLP propaganda continues in its effort to mislead Barbadians. Barbados and the tourism dependent economies of the Caribbean are pushing on against an extremely strong headwind.
    I commend this government for maintaing public sector jobs, diversifying our tourism product and source markets, strengthening our social safety net and maintaining the investment and commitment to education and developing our human resources.
    Regionally and internationally,consumers are feeling the effects of higher fuel cost but then again the BLP propaganda wants you to beleive that you must blame the government for that. I say again the BLP will fool those who allow themselves to be fooled.
    If the government had “reduced recurring expenditure” by sending home thousands of public servants, the same BLP yardfowls would be on this blog saying that they put poor people on the breadline.

    If the BLP feels that the government should send home public sector workers, they should just say so- but then again the BLP in 2012 / 2013 is about nuff lies , spin and so little specifics.
    The BLP will fool those who allow themselves to be fooled.


  41. @ Clone
    You are the epitome of a DLP mouth piece……to keep people down..Only the Hartley’s and the Sickners and the Estwicks are to drive BMW’s and Jags right ?Only this evening a hard working hairdresser remarked to me..”Ya know what, whenever this party comes to power, we does have NO MONEY !…And she is right.Somehow by some remarkable feat of nincom-nomics, the DLP ‘s legacy is always one of hurting the middle class and further suppressing poor people.
    Onions don’t waste time debating economic with you lot, as facts speak for themselves.You broke back montana boys never fall short of discrediting yourselves.When it isn’t comments…..”like it or lump it”, or “not getting ulcers, or losing night sleep”…you always find a way to put your foot in your owns mouth with stupid remarks like …”we have nothing to apologize for.”..a sure admit of guilt and arrogance. Who could debate with such high charge burlesque ionizing the air ? You all are comics from the start and comics to end, and this elections will be no different…stick with Global Economies…see how far that gets you come elections. More importantly, continue to finger the CLICO pensioners and piss off the AX teachers….knowing you all ..it ain’t no big ting.
    Look I going and watch prison break…..


  42. some people just got them head in the sand and once your head in the sand you ass exposed. FYI an election is coming and if you guys feel the country will fall for your BS, your asses going to sore the day after election.

    “clone dont/even engage the blp clowns with there one issue TOPIC CLICO and the mighty OSA tagging along with them.” – this comment here says alot.


  43. Here goes again … First effort at posting this did not succeed.

    Two nights ago David Weekes the IT Entrepeneur who charged Caricom officials of violating his intellectual rights in the period leading up to the 2007 World Cup, was asleep when two bomhs exploded on his neighbour’s lawn. His case was on BU a couple of times the last one being
    http://bajan.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/a-request-for-copies-of-the-instruments-of-ratification-caricom/
    Now these were not the usual Molotov cocktails but butane containers with ignition devices attached to them. And his neighbor resides overseas for most of the year but just happened to be in Barbados to witness this event.

    The police were called of course and their response was that it was probably the work of errant school children.

    I post this information here, my usual forum, to establish as publicly as I can the real threat that people who challenge authortity feel (face?) when they explore all of the legal avenues that are available to them and are frustrated by the possibility of being stalled indefinitely. This story will not end well. I am afraid for David Weekes.

    ….


    • @BAFBFP

      Wow, heard an extract on VOB. This is heavy duty stuff.

      Perhaps you can do a summary of his position and the incident to more widely publicize.


  44. @ Observing ( and Listening ) April 2 , 2012 at 11: 22 AM
    ” Notice too Arthur sounding the CLICO bells again as a matter of immediate national interest which he is willing to adopt a bipartisan approach to ..Tactician again .. genuine ? Maybe not ..Opportunistic ? hell yes . Government on the back foot as we speak ? Definately ” .
    This is a very incisive posting .However , when all is taken into consideration , Mr Arthur’s stand may be justifiably regarded as DISINGENUOUS for a number of reasons .
    1. He cannot escape the fact that the reversal of the cease and desist order of 2006 which the Supervisor of Insurances issued against CLICO and was subsequently reversed could ONLY HAVE BEEN REVERSED ON THE ORDER OF THE MINISTER OF FINANCE . The Minister of Finance at the time was Arthur . A bipartisan approach to finding a solution would necessarily remove the glare of the lights focusing ON THAT PERIOD ; the present approach has been to make the public believe that the CLICO problem is exclusively the fault of the present government .
    2. Arthur’s call for a debate in Parliament AT THIS TIME is surprising . Arthur must know that CLICO has challenged the decision of the SOI by a Court action now under the name of the Financial Services Commission . Indeed, Only recently a High Court judge granted a stay of proceedings instituted in the Magistrates court against the Company until the substantive action is determined in the High Court . This being the case THE CLICO MATTER IS SUB JUDICE . How then can there be a parliamentary debate of this matter when it is sub judice ? Mr Arthur must know that that request cannot be satisfied AT THIS TIME . Certainly Parliament does not wish to be regarded or held as being contemptuous of a COURT ORDER .
    In light of the foregoing , I cannot see Mr Arthur’s call at this time as other than DISINGENUOUS even though opportunistic . I should like to hear from you and ..Peace my friend.


  45. The DLP has made severak mistakes or maybe they were driven to retain the government. Whatever they have done has not resonated well with teh majority of Bajans and since the passing of DT, this country just seems adrift. No issue seems to have been dealt with definitively and completely. CLICO, Alexandra, International Business, REDJET, Roundabouts, Drug Service, Cultural Industries, Four Seasons, the list goes on and on. Nothing seems to have been properly led. Nothing.

    Well sorry, I will give them a passing grade for their housing effort because they said they will build houses they never said that people will be able to afford or occupy them.

    The more I listen to the younger demographic, the more I am getting the feeling that the DLP will lose the next election. I woudl really liek a CADRES poll conducted to confirm if what I am hearing is indeed true.


  46. @ an Observer
    Why …..with 500 people on the breadline come month end…some people will choose to debate OAS and the issuing of 800 policies jinx …that leads to a case going NOWHERE???

    MY dear friend have a look at what is PRESENT and pending…..
    Alexandra Dispatch,the ‘CLICO Bonnie n Clyde’ the Knights closings,the International Business up and runnings,The Walmer Lodge miss-givings(,FTC), The FourSeasons Persuads,The BL&P-NIS emeras lodgings, the Round-a bout and Templar misunderstandings and now the Neal and Massey unforgivings (Almond )……we still have about 8 months to go… so adequate time for more to float up and add to the list.

    Do you still want to discuss what will lead to a thrown out $ 1,000 max case ?


  47. @An Observer

    What you have posited will definitely add some spice to the debate. Whether it is enough to stem rising disgust with the government is another matter. It is all about the urgency of now for the Clico policyholders.


  48. @!
    the reason you use the “!” character of your blog responses as your name is because you are in deed a “CHARACTER”, so that we agree on 🙂

    This submission started of with the FACTS as provided by the DLP budget and Moody not the BLP … the data provided speaks volumes by “itself”, however all the DLP supporters responding to this blog what to do is place ALL our nations challengs on the “global recession” , who is really trying to fool bajans. The recession is a reality the world is FACING, but not an excuse to “stick our heads in the sands all the way to China” and do nothing tangible for bajans families.

    If bajans take the “TIME” to review the tons of data which highlight the under performance of the current DLP administration for THEMSELVES – “WUNNA DONE” ….

    As much as possible I plan to kill wunna with the FACTS of the DLP underperformance ….. why? because as a bajan patriot who places country “FIRST” bajans need to know the “TRUTH” about where we are as a nation, and how close we are to the edge of the cliff that the DLP wants to run Barbados OFF. The current DLP does not have the leadership, WILL, intellectual capacity, or “know-how” to avoid running Barbados off the cliff.


  49. We keep hearing from the current DLP administration that Barbados is in the same “economic” position as compared to other nations in the Caribbean. However other nations are doing better then we are FACT.

    Now these stats are from 2010, however tell an interesting story again the backdrop of the DLP blaming all Barbados’s national challengs on “The Global Recession”…

    Now to be fair they are economic structural differences between Barbados and some of the nations listed below, but what is compelling to me is that “WE ARE BEING OUT PERFORMED” by nations that once looked to Barbados as the example for a range of Caribbean centric economic best practices.

    During the GLOBAL RECESSION (2010): DOING BETTER THEN BARBADOS
    – Dominica – GDP – real growth rate: 1%
    – St.Lucia – GDP – real growth rate: 0.8%
    – Trinidad and Tobago – GDP – real growth rate: 0%
    – Aruba – GDP – real growth rate: 2.4%

    NATIONS IN OUR REGION SERIOUSLY STRUGGLING (2010):
    – Barbados – GDP – real growth rate: -0.5%
    – Jamaica – GDP – real growth rate: -1.1%
    – Grenada – GDP – real growth rate: -1.4%
    – Antigua – GDP – real growth rate: -4.1%

    I am NOT comfortable watching Barbados continuing under the current DLP in the race to the bottom.


  50. @ Austin
    I remember the Central Bank’s Govt praise….and all the commotion that at least to move to -0.5 was UPWARDS movement (neg- growth) from the previous month’s Thanks Austin…I was forever searching for those figures.


  51. slight tangent.
    Has anyone read the paid advertisement from the FSC on page 25A of today’s newspaper? I’ll leave my comments until ohters weigh in…. Choice of words is usually of critical importance…..


  52. Next time you bad boys the like’s of ac and ! and “the real deal c “… talk about Global Economies…..redirect them PLEASE ! They want economic debate well here Clone…you’ve been answered…weigh in …debate these figs.


  53. @observing

    The advertisement can be given several interpretations. An easy one is that the FSC has sought to establish timelines around the report.


  54. FYI: All

    The real GDP growth figures provided for 2010 came from >>
    http://www.indexmundi.com/ , home of one of the Internet’s most complete country profiles, that contains detailed country statistics, charts, and maps compiled from multiple sources.

    Go take a look ALL including DLP supporters and try to defense our race to the bottom posture…. standing by ..


  55. Thanks Austin
    Maybe this should hush those horn blowers of Global Econ, for good.
    also top growth countries of the world growth chart is most interesting wit Qatar at No.I …interesting viewing Austin.


  56. Using the above link Type in “ALL” is most interesting reading Chk -it out

    Listed order prominence in GDP growth
    148 Belize
    171 Dominica
    176 St.Lucia
    180 Bahamas
    188 T&T
    193 Barbados


  57. @ David
    Come now…the chart speaks for itself..Econ 101…do you find difficulty ?

    Notice USA listed at 126,India and Taiwan in top 5 ..well well well.


  58. @ Clone

    “Mr Enuff most of you are like that, just find a dotish counter argument.”

    Dotish? Conservative ideology is pro-market and anti-“big government”; therefore conservative parties like the Tories and their supporters have no problem sending home public servants.


  59. So wait DLP crew….Global Economies ain’t hit Dominion Republic a country whose No.1 income earner is TOURISM in the Caribbean ???
    ALL in doubt….CHECK THE LINK ABOVE……(listening for excuses)


  60. @ !
    They are telling Bajans that the global recession is imaginary and it is not the cause of the sluggish economy?

    Just like your party led by the late King from the east misled the public into believing that the high cost of food had nothing to do with international conditions and there was no looming global economic recession? You recall these words ‘what global recession what!’? It is a good thing the Bdos economy wasn’t in the sordid mess claimed by the Dems because we would be dead by now.


  61. To those doing the straight line comparison here is a question(s):

    What is the per capita income for those countries being used as example for Barbados to follow

    What is the level of support for said countries for social programs when compared to Barbados


  62. @ David
    Excuses : All these fellows were saying before was…” Oh Global Economies was responsible for this and that “…..now you got more questions? We were not hearing per capita income being raised before…its called shifting the goal post….a favorite past time of politicians ..and now journalist.


  63. Of interest is Antigua #210…..- 4.1 neg growth……the home of Allan Sanford the infamous ponzzi merchant, now incarcerated somewhere,after messing up the lil country’s economy. At the bottom TOO.


  64. Other Tourist destinations registering positive growth …

    19 Maldives Islands 8%
    67 Isle of Man
    76 Turks and Caicos Islands
    107 Malta 3.7 %
    139 Aruba 2.4 %

    Who ever said these islands dependent on tourist arrivals were not subject to Global Recession like us, and did not find a way around it. Check the link, see for yourselves.


  65. i guess you ole onions and Austin have become economic guries with a one sided way of looking at world events
    here is realistic point of view given by the world bank read and digest .
    http://www.guardian .co.uk/…/2012/jan…/ world-bank-warns-global-recessi…


  66. @ ac…..
    Everybody yes have been warned of the recession BUT some (unlike us) heeded and made prudent decision to combat it. Not like increasing Vat to stifle any little growth …and drying any lil up cash flows…or increasing all utilities , bus fares, fees licenses, professional fees and the like ALL AT ONCE….What do you expect, people had money printing machines at home or $100 dollar bearing trees.? Those measures are counteractive and would only recess us further. .. and DID….and they were TOLD !!!!!


  67. @onions
    Finally straight from the horses mouth we all agreed that we do have a global recession.NOw i remember old folks saying which is economics 1A to always planned for a “rainy Day” now to me that means that one does not wait to fix the hole in the roof after it starts raining and their are not enough buckets around to catch the water.this is the senario Barbados is facing now the previous owners did not plan for rainy days because it was plenty of sunshine and instead of fixing the roof they decided to splurge the money on other things which were important but nevertheless was not as important as the hole in the roof. now the new owners have the problem of either fixing that hole or continuing the same policies of the previous owner and what makes it so bad is that the previous owners had plenty of money and time to do so. while the new owners doesn’t have the same.


  68. You should add …now the current owner will get kicked to the curb…and its followers to 14 yrs in the wilderness…..lol nice story telling ac


  69. befuddling. I kinda like it David. lol

    Instead of just comparing statistics as David says, what policies did these countries implement circa 2008-2009 when the recession was on? How does their macro-economic makeup compare with Barbados? What was done “differently” or not done? Where were they coparatively speaking in 2000…or 2004?

    Just observing questions that will be asked by people just asking 🙂


  70. Also, for balance. anyone took a look at the unemployment comparisons? or the percentage of persons below the poverty line?? just for “balance” sake.


  71. The BLP “monkeys” (no disrespect intended……. to the monkey,lol) really showing their tails,stupse!
    When people could use very minute differences in GDP without any analysis or reference to per capita income to try to prove how succesful a country is, it is really the silly season! Barbados has never been highly acclaimed because it had the highest GDP numbers but because it remains the most stable, law abiding country with a high level of social and human capital financed primarily by tourism and foreign investment.

    I repeat if your economy depends on UK tourists spending and foreign investment, when the UK slumps- it resonates throughout the entire economy – ask the hotel owners. Every tourism official in the Caribbean will tell you that tourists are spending less- The BLP argument is that the tourist will check to see if Freundel Stuart is Prime Minister and then decide if to come (ridiculous ,isn’t it?)
    The per capita income of Barbados exceeds that of the Dominican Republic which has a large Free Zone and is also supported by mining ( ferronickel,gold,silver)! Let any Haitian worker tell you about the income inequalities and wage rates in the Dominican Republic.
    Let us be fair – Unlike many other countries children in Barbados can go from primary to tertiary education without looking for thousands yearly,a strong safety net for the elderly, poor and disabled, you get the point….
    It is like looking at the debt while not acknowledging the importance of the structure (local or foreign) of that debt.
    Barbados like many others is facing the strong economic headwind but for the BLP to try to mislead people that others in the region are soaring is to lie to the Bajan People.
    The BLP will fool those who allow themselves to be fooled!


  72. ! great reply. i have to give that to you. you set up your man and you lick he down. how could any reasonable person disagree with what you just said. i can’t but here is your problem which you will never admit to, while they are external factors, they are also internal factors. for a government that is finding it hard to make money from things you highlighted, tourists spending and foreign investment, what has the government done to curb its spending?

    now i’m not going to buy into sending home government workers but look at the amount of wasted money that is being spent. if the government really cared would we have all the waste we are seeing? what waste? i don’t need to repeat what has been said before because you know it well but those things speak to bad management in a weak environment.

    i personally don’t think the DLP had to deliver on any of its pre election promises. i believe bajans are fair minded people (yardfowls aside) a good/great case could of been made to say look we all have to tighten our belts and ride out this recession but no. they don’t deliver on the promises and for a government and supporters that are quick to tell you who thief what in the BLP, they are setting records on the funds they are moving from taxpayers to their personal accounts.

    so you have bad management of the country along with some OPEN funny business deals that only a handful of people making money in a time when money is tight for everyone else. when these things finally come to light, the DLP will have a long hard road to travel.


  73. @!
    When people could use very minute differences in GDP without any analysis or reference to per capita income to try to prove how succesful a country is, it is really the silly season!
    ***********************************
    I beg your pardon.Oh it’s no longer the undisputable cry of the Global Economies but now..”reference to per capita income” as a rider. How lame.
    Your reply had done nothing but take one foot out the hot water and replaced it with the another,… with socks this time.Now we are shifting the goal post conveniently. You want the analysis using the GNP (growth ) yardstick but with an added variable per capita (people well being) to make the comparison.
    ‘Setup what to lick down’ who (David not BU)? Its no longer comparing oranges with oranges. No sir, we want to compare ortinigues from Mexico with ortiniques from Basille Spain and there is to be not the slightest difference in color or smell either. Should you be so lucky to find such,cut it, it must have the identical taste, and seeds side. Such is your new request.
    What an op out, for the sake of not admitting this administrations faults.
    The spendamania, and total incomprehension of the fact that they should cut partying and wastage.Come now….. find the balls , and stop all the lame foot dancing and misinforming by “who should know better”. Hoping to win elections,before doing the inevitable, ..is like wishing for a snowball to exist in hell.
    This administration shall not be around come this same time next year.That is an almost certainty. And for good reasons too, … five years more in this hell hole should be tolerated much longer. Already repercussions of all the S*#t has begun to float….Almond, Knights,and BAICO. We cannot go on much longer without greater upsurges in unemployment crime, and lawlessness. Barbadians have been on the “bitter pill diet” now, for too long…and offering excuses after excuses while shifting goal posts does not provide a laudable solution to our problems.


  74. addenda; Almonds and Knights demise has been aided by high Input Cost..ie. expenses cost of Direct Materials..food, utilities, fuel..increased expenses…not occasioned in a Dominican Republic will erode profits to losses….if we want to get technical.


    • @Onions

      Your last comment exposes that you are simply making comments in the wind.

      The decline of Almond has to do with over leveraging which interacted with the global recession.

      The inability of the hotel to upgrade its plant is the main reason for its demise.

      A plant sold as a 4 star which is now regarded as a 2 star in the market will not cut it.

      Bear in mind up to 2007/8 its occupancy rate remained over 70%, one of the highest in the island.

      Please don’t insult the intelligence of the BU family.


  75. @ !
    Unlike many other countries children in Barbados can go from primary to tertiary education without looking for thousands yearly,a strong safety net for the elderly, poor and disabled, you get the point
    ***************************
    Don’t be fooled we pay for these ..and dearly to Government takes on average 37.5% out of the working man pay pack each ..monthly
    P A Y E 20 %… (NIS will not incl)..
    VAT 17.5 %
    How do you think NIS could have so many billions…we PAY
    We recently had pay high water rate increase 60 %, Could you image what it take to full a swimming pool far less four ? Telephone bills went up 15 %.. Almond’s Utilities bill alone each month would be in the millions.


  76. @ David
    The decline of Almond has to do with over leveraging which interacted with the global recession.
    *********************
    So my good man ….how do we pay for debt ?…..unless a company profitability ratio is high enough to absorb debt …the company will be in the RED.Profits are what services debt…..expenses is what erode profit …please get the gist.

    Insult intelligence ? Spare me.


  77. As a matter of fact 3 of the 4 of the items you list are have a DIRECT relation to profits.
    1.The decline of Almond has to do with over leveraging which interacted with the global recession.

    2.The inability of the hotel to upgrade its plant is the main reason for its demise.

    3.A plant sold as a 4 star which is now regarded as a 2 star in the market will not cut it.

    >>>>
    1. (addressed earlier)

    2.If Almond was struggling under its HIGH cost , monies wouldl not be there for upgrading now .. would there ?

    3. In order to remain competitive, not losing its market share (revenue), management may have made the decision to list as a 4 star but could only afford to maintain 2 star status due to increasing HIGH cost.

    Remember we promote Barbados as a high cost destination…not by chance ..but for a reason..


    • What do you think buying properties i.e. expanding would have done to Almonds debt burden?

      Anyway we don’t have to argue about it because CEO of Neal & Massy and the Chief Financial Officer made the same point.

      BU will go with their view.

      You can have the last word.


  78. DaviD
    Do you honestly believe a major decision to invest in buying addition properties could have been made locally ? Don’t mind Neal and Massey, they would have had to vetoed and closely collaborated any major financial undertakings of the like… DO NOT BE FOOLED.a major regional corporation like NM..nah David.All Ralph would have had power is to personnel manage and minor financing the likes of table and chairs…..being absurd of course.Something smells…I say it again


  79. Why I strongly state that the BLP is trying to mislead people is evident in the area of government spending.
    The BLP continues to tell people that getting rid of constituency councils and summer camps will make a significant dent in government expenditure when the facts do not support that.
    If wasting taxpayers money is the major issue, I ask Does the current BLP leader have a history of reducing spending and wastage?
    Year after year while he was Minister of Finance and chairman of Cabinet, the Auditor General continually highlighted incidents of wastage and irregular accounting procedures in many government departments.Year after year!
    The areas where the government spends the most money are the areas which the BLP has not have the “balls” to admit that they would cut.
    Theefore, the best option would to be have sustainable growth while trying to restrict the increase in spending on education, health and the public sector wage bill.
    Despite what the opposition is saying, you cannot have sustainable growth in this economy without the foreign exchange sectors and inflows coming in.
    You can give back allowances, cut everybody taxes, get people spending like crazy but without the tourism and international business dollars – no BLP promises can bring growth!
    When I last checked, there were no thousands of tourists waiting for an election to come to Barbados. The BLP will fool who allow themselves to be fooled.


  80. I challenge any BLP candidate to go to the electorate and talk about cutting services to reduce taxes- shhhhhh….silence it will not happen.
    Its the silly season and the BLP comments will reflect that. It was interesting on Brass Tacks a few weeks ago to hear the President of The Barbados Economic Society say we need to send home thousands of public servants if we are to make significant cuts in spending but the BLP “political spokesman” on the economy(the mock B) remained silent.
    He could not publicly or politically agree but he will chastise the government for the deficit.
    The BLP must tell the people of Barbados where are the millions to be cut that would drastically reduce the deficit.
    Polittricks at work!
    It is the same reason why when Sir Courtney Blackman challenged the BLP in 2001 to stop stacking the public sector for votes, he was ignored and now we have this huge wages bill.
    You see, politically it is better to make people think that if you cut out a plane trip here and a reception there, you will eliminate the deficit.
    Do not be fooled! Everyone wants the government to reduce taxes while at the same time fixing old people’s houses, increasing public sector wages, building roads, increasing pensions,supporting airlines, helping out the hospitality sector and the hotels, building new hospitals, police stations, schools ,etc.
    We as a society must admit – we do not want the taxes but we want nuff services- That is not a condemnation but an undisputable fact.


  81. @ !
    Everyone wants the government to reduce taxes while at the same time fixing old people’s houses, increasing public sector wages, building roads, increasing pensions,supporting airlines, helping out the hospitality sector and the hotels, building new hospitals, police stations, schools
    ******************************
    Build roads…? Hospitals ? Schools…Blackman Gollop ?…….AND..WHERE ARE THESE…show us please ! Houses….you all not the owners nor built those houses at Coverley..?Man tell D truth nah…..nor you all ain’t supporting RedJet now are ya…nor Almond..tell D people D truth nah !
    Police station…it built yet ?..stupesssss.


  82. Oh here we go again, newsflash- the spending on food vouchers and welfare payments has been increased and despite all the long BLP talk our social services have not been cut! ,, the tourism relief Fund (you remember that) , “the 30 million dollars every January Bajan/ US Prison” , the millions for the energy grant to pay the electricity for the elderly and disabled, – the money to pay fa these drop out the sky- stupse!
    The HUGE public sector wage bill, the long overdue electrical upgrade to the QEH and polyclinics, the establishment of the Drainage Division,the Why you think England sending home half a million public servants because it aint cheap!
    A man tell me the other day- the BLP bring on people in government departments for votes for 14 years and now asking the DLP to cut spending. I repeat if the BLP BELIEVES like Ryan Straughn that the public sector is too big, the BLP should admit that they increased it from 1994 levels.
    I dare the BLP apologists to show me at least 80 million dollars in spending cuts and wastage right now that we could easily implement.
    The BLP will fool those who allow themselves to be fooled.


  83. …..I know when all is said and dun Buddy…..you getting one term
    …..ya cud talk all Ya like…lol..Welfare State or not

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