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Last weekend the sporting world witnessed a fairy tale ending to a fabulous story when Phil Mickelson won his third green jacket at the Masters Golf Tournament held in Augusta, Georgia. During an emotional victory speech, Mickelson spoke to the challenges his family has had to overcome for the last year. His wife Amy has had to endure chemotherapy as she continues to battle the big C, along with his mother.

On the flipside Tiger Woods had hoped to win his fifth green jacket after returning from a five month self-imposed exile. Lest we forget Tiger ran away from the game after his adulterous exploits were laid bare for the world to stare.  In one week which the world will never forget the pristine image of the once revered Tiger Woods vanished in the twinkling of an eye. When the final golf stroke was struck at Augusta on Sunday afternoon many would have breathed a sigh of relief; Michelson at the top of the leaderboard, and Tiger in the unaccustomed position of fourth.  Given all that Michelson has had to handle compared to the disgraced Tiger Woods, it seemed fitting the moral of this story should be the “family man” who triumphed over the “#1 player.”Whether we want to admit it, prominent people influence the way others think.

Some are saying the Government’s recent intervention to stop the Movada Kartel peace concert, followed by the announcement of a zero tolerance policy to filter smutty lyrics for the 2010 Crop Over season will lead to a nanny state. The idea that individual freedoms will be violated, some fear may lead our Government to not know where to draw the line. Every year we have Vic ‘the Parrot’ Fernandes and his sidekick Ronnie Clarke adopting a Pontius Pilate position when asked to explain Starcom’s contribution to the deteriorating moral base in Barbados. We have former Chairman of the National Cultural Foundation Al Gilkes whose remit along with his sidekicks is to flood Barbados with all the smutty Jamaican Dancehall artistes who are in need of money. The fact that a cloud of tampie smoke has seasonally descended on Farley Hill during Reggae Songfest appears to be of little concern to the organisers or the authorities. If our Fourth Estate and leaders in society have surrendered all for the sake of greed where will it end?

While the debate continues, BU’s position remains unwavering. As a country we can no longer procrastinate while the house is burning. It is clear the level of parental delinquency in Barbados means that we are raising sub-moral beings at an unacceptable rate.  Many of the organizations which complemented parent in instilling values in our young people are no longer highly regarded. At the primary level it use to be mandatory for our girls to be Blossoms and graduate to the Girl Guides; for the boys, it was the Cubs and the Scouts. At the secondary level there was the Cadets and Scouts with its multiplicity of activities which was sure to make a man and woman out of any girl or boy passing through the ranks. There were several other organizations and some religious bases which all added to the job of moulding the moral being.

Against this background, who do we have to step up to the plate to stop the rot? Should we side with the view that things will work itself out by allowing individuals to find their way?

What transpired last Sunday at Augusta portrayed Mickelson as a man driven by love and devotion to family which motivated him beyond all limits to excel. The fact he was able to share the joy of winning with his family must have been the greatest feeling of all.  On the flipside there was Tiger Woods feeling empty and sad not only for losing but feeling the weight of shame. We did not notice his family around to console and comfort him.

It is time to promote the values which show the value of family to building a better society. If we don’t our society will continue to disintegrate.


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140 responses to “Knowing Right From Wrong”


  1. @ David
    I have not responded to your remarks – I will do so on another occasion – as I wanted the above rebuttal to stand alone.


  2. The fact is and always would be that morality begins with a person and the law cannot change that.


  3. @ac

    Law and morality goes hand in glove; one cannot exist without the other.

    @Technician

    It is not about giving a damn about Tiger Woods, more about understanding how in reality these high profile figures factor to influence our society which has become vulnerable to this kind of thing. The emphasis is on the word reality.


  4. The conversation has started to deteriorate which is disappointing. The personal attacks at the expense of confronting the bigger issues demonstrate some immaturity on our part. It would do well for us to regroup and appreciate that we can make our points without doing so from the gutter. We go to the gutter and then we are no better than who we are criticising anyway.


  5. “The road to hell paved with good intentions.”
    When i read this blog it is evident what the problem is; stupid people.
    I is wonder if the older generation got any since or how them survive because they dumb. very dumb, a bunch of sheep that always do as they are told.

    Imagine in this society it is ok to do rum, prescription drugs, cigarettes, etc…… What ever that certain people in this world can profit from its ok and perfectly legal. But any thing that actually does good for the masses is systematically tarnished then destroyed.

    Nuclear family could never work(to small), that is why the boys lime on the block, the block is a family, it has nothing to do with blood only the bond between people. Many a father raise children thinking they were blood but they never knew they weren’t, yet that did not stop them from being good fathers, DNA has no real value when it comes to family, but instead of focusing on making the blocks better wanna trying every thing to stop it, yet providing no alternative, saying because them is smoke weed.

    Weed illegal, with out weed our economy would fail. More people depend on weed than on rum. It is a fact. Weed can be found every where in Barbados. No one has ever died from weed over dose, its imposable. but to much panadols can kill you, It was only illegal because certain people could not profit from it. In stead of educating the people that weed was meant to be eaten (as all other herbs) we make it illegal so that it would make since to smoke it because of limited quantities, smoking weed is a misuse.

    Reggae music is the greatest upliftment to the people yet good artist get no recognition but a F-ing idiot can be the highlight of the media every day.

    Every good BLACK role model is torn down by mass media and replaced by a white one. When was the last time a ‘Cosby’ was available to the younger public. only “kartels and tubby the guards” so instead of teaching the “kartels an tubbies” we highlight their wrong doings, while providing no alternative.

    Church never had any real value to the upliftment of people only control, This generation has no need for what the church offers, you need a viable alternative.

    Only then can We rise as a society.

  6. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    David

    I hope you realise after all that diatribe above, what the authorities and right thinking persons have to grapple with.

    I get the sense that some people like pompasetting,not offering any reasoned or thought out alternative but throwing out a lot of stupid question and off points just to be contrary.

    So you will hear,the church ain’t no good,the government is a waste of time,the police is babylon,the parents must shoulder all the blame,the school ain’t saying nutten,and on and on…..

    In another post, johhny postle expressed frustration with black people who just love talking and not taking action.Ican sympathise with him on that point alone.

    I won’t be surprised if the government leaders who usually read these blogs just ignore it after a while,because to be honest some of the recent come-yuhs and others here blogging just love to have persons on this blog taking them on in an argument and to think they win a point when the perso chooses after a while to ignore them.

    So what can government learn from these blogs,no solution,no pointing to alternatives but just hot air.

    My suggestion clean up the air waves with the smut whether dancehall,calyso,rap whatever by using the relevant laws already in place and let the NCF and other appropiate authorities begin a strong push to promoting local culture and local music.

    Get the people to start appreciating their own before the jah cure and taurus riley etc.


  7. @mash up

    On another blog Inkwell said it all. We have become fat and lazy and consequently reactive. There is a process to advocate to change laws. The current discussion must recognize that esoteric approaches will not cut it.


  8. @mash up and buy back……..Neither the church nor the gov’t is any damn good. The function of the church is to act as an oppressor of the development of the basic spiritual instinct of the people by keeping them tuned in to the illusionary frequency of man-made religion , while the gov’t’s function is to act as a buffer between the blood-sucking corps and the mis-led, hardworking people. There is so much immorality that goes on in the church and gov’t and its all sanctified and COVERED under the ‘blood.’

    And all these ills within these 2 two-faced orgs have spilled over into the society. Had the church or the gov’t a modicum of morality the society would be progressing as opposed to regressing. That’s why law and morality are incongruent in our society today.

    Today we are just plodding along and in the very near future STUPIDITY & HYPOCRISY has a date with REALITY.


  9. MU & BB has made good points. My question is this, how are we going to deal with the hypocrisy that exists

    We want the people to ‘to start appreciating their own before the jah cure and taurus riley etc.’

    This statement alone is laughable. Do you even understand what music is or about?
    How many of the popular oldie goldies singers were Bajan or ‘our own?…Here we go again back on the Reggae bandwagon.

    The reason why this discussion will go nowhere is the same reason society is where it is today, the hypocrisy of the older generation meets the reality of the younger one, where either side is standing firm in their positions, no compromise or common ground can be found.
    Reading this blog you can see the prejudices and the stereotyping, rather than any attempt to understand.
    This is symptomatic of how the youth are dealt with today but the days of move and keep moving are over, deal with it !!


  10. WOW !

    @ Hopi

    Well well well, I dont normally agree with what u say, but u have made some very salient strong points here, what u say is the truth my brother ( although i may be white) lolol, kidding buddy , the truth is that the world today is a product of yesteryear’s actions and they way they brought us up…Hopi let me tell u what scares me, u seem to be well intentioned and very intelligent, i just cant parallel what u are so rightly stating here with ur way off base opinion on race relations, however i digress.

    The reality of our(OUR) society is that the older generation and the church (i say that generally GP) is so lost and out of touch with the youth and the reality which we live in , that the two sides have become North and South, thus any discourse on morality is as if you are discussing Ying and Yang, because one side sees morality as linked to the church and Law, while the other side see morality as a product of their specific reality, thus the boys on the block having a different reality to joe middle age banker in Fort George heights have have different moral views !

    Thus Joe banker = Smoking weed is against the law and immoral

    While Joe Block boy = Smoking weed is to relax and make it to another day, broke and alternativeless

    Where do these 2 sides meet is the issue, and I can tell u where, they can meet in the household with good parenting, where understanding adults can raise open minded but guided youth, who can see mavado and cartel for what they are and try not to be bent by peer pressure to copy them, while teaching open minded experienced adults how to deal with the constant change that is our world !

    I know there is a lot of grey area to be dealt with, but ignorance, fear and the herd mentality that has been ingrained in our ancestral consciousness has bred hypocrisy and intolerance.

    And by the way, for those who think that what goes on in the USA etc has no effect on us and should be disregarded ? well this is an example of being out of touch, the advent of the internet and the fact that we now are living in a new age, “The Information Age” have shrunk the world so that we exist in a quasi global society that our kids drink the good and the bad from, so wunna betta check wuh gine on wid tiger woods and company, cause it affects bout here !!!

    but hey,

    I could be wrong


  11. @islander

    Given your aversion to law and order does this mean you buy in to the concept of cultural relativism?


  12. @ David
    “Yardbroom: What you say is bang on in theory but the problem is we have parental delinquency as a norm. Unfortunately the extended family has disappeared which previously acted as a good family proxy. If we take your point to a logical conclusion there is no hope in sight.”
    **************************
    There is always hope David but we must address fundamental problems. An obvious failing is too much Government dependency, some are eager to say, I ask this politician for help and he would not help me. The politician naturally wants to be elected but there is only so much he can do.

    In some cases young women before they are twenty five (25) have three or four children and they say things are hard and we have no where to live. In most countries with that amount of children and no permanent and reliable provider, things will be hard. Those are facts unpalatable, but facts. From such unfortunate circumstances flow a steady stream for the unscrupulous to prey on; offering the glittering prize of instant cash, they succumb they have little to lose.

    We must re-think what parenting in our society means. We have had positive models before and we are capable of having the same again. Society has changed and so must our thinking to meet these new challenges.

    We must disengage from the belief that the State and other agencies should do everything for us…and we should just live, life is not that easy. Politicians, the clergy, teachers and others who have influence should tell it like it is, that is our salvation.

    The old do not know everything neither do the young but within each group are those with the mental dexterity to meet the new challenges that we face.

    If we fail to tap into that valuable resource…we will be reduced to shouting personal abuse at each other; and although it may give some a temporary feel good factor. In truth it does not advance our legitimate cause.


  13. @Yardbroom: “From such unfortunate circumstances flow a steady stream for the unscrupulous to prey on; offering the glittering prize of instant cash, they succumb they have little to lose.

    Would you, Yardbroom, then agree that a Barbados Lottery is a “Tax on those who are bad at the Maths”?

    And, further, that all Bajans would be well advised not to play the available Lotteries, since the players will almost always lose (by plan)?


  14. @ Christopher Halsall
    I do not play the lottery…that is a personal choice. However, if others care to do so with their “own money” that is their choice. I see the lottery as a legitimate activity.


  15. @Yardbroom: “I see the lottery as a legitimate activity.

    Bullshit.

    The lottery is false hope. It is abuse. Have you ever bet more than you would ever hope to received?

    Please let me quote to you the Digicel ad on the front page of the Nation News…

    “Top up now with $10 or more or
    …pay your postpaid bill on time and in full
    …*and you could be $1000 richer every day*

    Please note, importantly, the “could” in that language.

    Be happy being played Yardbroom….


  16. @ David

    I don’t have an aversion to Law and order, I have an aversion to intolerance, Ignorance and by extension any type of racism, any at all !

    As to question, believe it or not, yes i do

    Back to law and order though, do u remember back in the 50’s and 60’s black people broke the law by stting in the front of the bus ? was this by extension immoral ? If a jew didnt wear his star he broke the law, was this immoral and punishable by death ?

    All i ask for is balance, and for people to stop blowing things out of proportion, like movado and cartel coming here being seen as the anti christ and his cohorts, what we think is right or wrong…morally uplifting or degrading actually changes with reality and time !

  17. Bad Man Saying Nuttin Avatar
    Bad Man Saying Nuttin

    David , there is nothing wrong with Reggae. Reggae is not Dancehall or dub. I don’t even have a problem with dancehall or dub in the hands of adults. my problem is with any type of lewd or crude music playing on the airwaves and in public. i don’t have a problem with suggestive music. I have a problem with graphically sexual or violent music available to minors. But i also have a problem with graphically sexual or violent video games, movies, TV shows being available to minors. An adult can choose to watch or partake of those things; a child should not be able to.


  18. @islander………on the race issue, you should know that Hopi can’t discuss it here, because someone whose obtuse vision of the world prevents them from connecting the dots, would accuse me of hijacking this thread. So you’ll have to meet me next door.

    However,

    On this issue of right and wrong, hypocrisy knows no abounds. The saints are all sanctified and on their way to glory, with every vice you can think of in tow. Can you imagine what’ll happen when the ‘book of life’ is opened and in place of their name is the ‘REJECTED’ stamp……with the foll reasons [and then some]….

    REFUSAL

    to feed the hungry
    parent the parentless
    clothe the naked
    defend the defenseless
    honor the poor
    reject injustice

    WHILE

    looking down your nose at those who didn’t fit your paradigm……. &
    cultivating nepotistic membership within the corrupt echelons of ‘high’ society for the purpose of furthering your selfish interest while sacrificing the downtrodden.

    [&the rejection list reads like a rap sheet….]

    what a weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.


  19. and on the matter of music, bajan calypso can’t hold a candle to genuine Jamaican reggae music, because reggae music is of the heart …listen to the heart beat and to reggae beat, they harmonise..whereas bajan calypso is music of the ass…reminds me of halloween when the demons come out to play. Last good piece of Bajan calypso I heard was ‘Soca Junkie’ sweet, sweet.

    Jah Cure, Taurus Riley —–Beautiful, truly inspired & inspiring brothers.


  20. Ref’ Comment Apri/15/6.48am
    Laws and morality goes hand in hand

    My comment is “Laws and immorality goes hand in hand.Morality can exist without laws


  21. @ Christopher Halsall
    “Be happy at being played at Yardbroom…”

    My post said I do “not” play the lottery…others thank God are free to do as they wish. However, this thread is not about the lottery…I pass.


  22. @Yardbroom: “My post said I do “not” play the lottery…others thank God are free to do as they wish. However, this thread is not about the lottery…I pass.

    So… For the record…

    You’ve said you don’t play the lottery.

    But what do you advise others to do (with their God given right to free thought) knowing the lottery is a very stupid bet?

    What says you, Yardbroom?


  23. I think when individual rights threaten the security of other citizens of the state then government has a right to step in and take action, in the case of Movada Kartel I have to side with the GOB, now about Tiger Woods, Tiger got caught, had he stayed in house and settled the situation with the missus he would not have had to endure self imposed exile and admit to adultery, but he drove out of his yard, crashed up his motor car, the people living by him called the police and the media picked up on it and it just exploded. Mickelson has skeltons, I am sure about that, but not like Tiger putting himself in every lady’s tank, like if he is Esso.


  24. Lol…CH asks…’But what do you advise others to do (with their God given right to free thought) knowing the lottery is a very stupid bet?

    Asked and answered already Chris. It was you who has claimed the lottery is ‘a very stupid bet’.
    Are you really that slow or just being malicious?……..seriously!
    Now…….you had your fun, back to the topic…..roflmfao!!


  25. @ Christopher Halsall

    I am not a God and will not pretend to be, neither do I believe my opinions are superior to those of others. “You” have said the lottery is stupid, that is your opinion, which you have a right to hold.

    This response is of courtesy; I will “not” return to this diversion.


  26. @ac

    Morality speaks to the type of person one is, the type of character one displays. Tell us how morality can be divorce from law? Don’t make statements without explanations how else can people follow your argument?


  27. @ David .

    When people do immoral acts laws are therefore enacted as a way of keeping society in control. The immorality of the act as perceived by society is what makes the law.

    “”Morality speaks to the type of person one is? true
    Immorality also defines the kind of person one is


  28. @ hopi

    music of the ass ? hahahahaha, listen man u really know how to press buttons, there is good and bad in both genres of music , lolol, hahahaha, u funny though,

    And by the way, the race issue cannot be divorced from the issue of law and morality as the “moral high ground ” as we know is erroneously bound to church and by association government and law, which can be argued is the conqueror’s religion and not the religion of all, e.g what of our African heritage’s religion and beliefs ? would they be against say smoking marijuana? while allowing the imbibing of wines and alcohols ?

    Its funny to hear people talking on here about the “security of our citizens” hahahaha, if Kartel and Movado came to barbados our security as people would have been compromised ? would all the sinners and rude boys get high on that drug weed and brutal rape and pillage for the weekend ? U people kill me, woodstock was the coolest thing that happened in the 60’s though ? and Bob marley’s weed was different wasn’t it ? And I even bet sparrow didnt mean that Jean or Dinah was selling poom poom . Ignorance of anything including the world of our youth (and they do have a different reality) breeds intolerance and hypocrisy .

    Morality as you know my dear older friends throughout history has always been subject to change and evolution based on societal forces i.e government, church, education , demographics therefore it maybe immoral in Iran/Iraq to walk down main street in a knee high frock , but ok to saw off an infidel invaders head, while a mini skirt and an ass exposing jeans (with nice thong of course, lol) is ok on main street, but we wont cut off people hands for stealing. In a nutshell morality and immorality is defined by a societies reality as is the laws of the land, so the question is, is there anything such as the “moral high ground” ? or is it basicly what man’s conscience can endure along with what others think of him and his ability to deal with both.


  29. Had Hitler not split his army into 2 fronts in 1942/43 and attacked Russia and England at the same time, maybe today it might not be immoral to cook a jew or two, or hang some strange fruits from trees in alabama , it may have been morally right to kill ablack boy for the fatherland , do u see where i am going with this ? the allies won the war, so the landscape of the moral high ground is different today as compared to had Adolf and his “henchmen won the war.

    Question to all

    Is it morally correct to retake the lands from the white minority in Rhodesia , oops i mean Zimbabwe while killing them and their families at the same time? I mean they did enslave black people and use the sweat of their labour and slavery to build the wealth they now enjoy, so is it morally right based on biblical teaching to murder a few of them ? I put it to you that a disenfranchised and oppressed black Zimbabwean will answer differently to me or you sitting here in barbados and conversely a white in Zimbabwe or Barbados (race/realities/religion/education/tolerance) what really are morals then ? was Indi Amin (spelling cant bother) immoral ? Hutu / Tutsi ethic cleansing ? who is being immoral, what about in Bosnia, or in the Gaza strip ? or USA dropping a bomb on nagasaki and hiroshima ? was that immoral ? not if u were a US marine dreading having to invade Japan, Let talk about morals, if a man breaks into your home and rape you or your family, murder someone even, would it be immoral to gun him down outside the court house ? or kill his family too ? whose reality would decide that wouldn’t it ?


  30. @islander…

    Tough questions.

    But worth asking. And thinking deeply about.

    Here are a few more…

    What if Pol Pot had not killed all his experienced generals, in a fit of paranoia.

    Did the US really have to detonate atomic bombs over two Japanese cities in order to get a surrender?

    Did the US have irrefutable proof of WMDs in Iraq, to justify the invasion of a sovereign nation?

    Is the world any safer today than it was 60 years ago?


  31. Islander and Halsall

    do you find your navels fascinating?


  32. @ anonymous

    do u ?


  33. @ David
    “Morality speaks to the type of person one is, the type of character one displays. Tell us how morality can be divorce from law? ”
    ***********************************************************************************************
    Really interesting question David. But surely it has been already established here that morality cannot be directly related to Law – since we know of laws that have themselves been immoral.

    Maybe we need to explore the concept of ‘righteousness’ rather than ‘lawfulness’…. and maybe this is exactly what Jesus changed in his ‘new dispensation’.

    If righteousness is defined as the natural tendency to choose to do that which is right in the sight of the doer – and which comes -so to speak- from the heart, then we can easily see situations where it becomes the morally correct thing to break a law. It also becomes clear that one can follow all laws and yet be totally immoral (as for example a slave owner who KNEW that it was clearly WRONG – but completely legal- to keep and exploit slaves)

    Now if – as the bushman has been suggesting for some time- the whole purpose of life is for us to develop and build righteous character, then the answer to your above question is perhaps earth shattering…….

    ….how morality can be divorce from law?

    Only through a changed personality – the kind of personality that is characterized by genuine LOVE. The kind of personality that determines right from wrong in an unselfish, patient, kind, forgiving, truthful manner.
    Of course, how one can acquire such a personality is the big question.

    …but the alternative is exactly the hopeless chaos that we can see in our world.


  34. @Bush Tea

    Have you read the Ten Commandments .First laws on immorality ah lie!

    Listen up Rok birthday coming up i think 19th


  35. @Bush Tea

    Since ac raised this matter we have been wrapping our minds around this matter of immoral laws. Truth is the arguments placed by you and ac are understood, however we are still grappling with the fact whether a law can be considered immoral or should just be described as unjust. Until a law is changed it is law. Laws are relevant to the times enacted. If we accept that morals change overtime then the citizenry of that time becomes obligated to amend irrelevant laws. In other words laws and morality must evolve overtime to remain relevant.


  36. BU is truly a place of higher learning!


  37. @ David
    If you think about it, ‘Law’ is only that which a few leaders may choose to apply from time to time. For example, the main pursuit of the BLP’s last administration was the undermining of all things ‘Bajan’ in favour of a nebulous ‘CSME’.
    Most of us are yet to appreciate the extent to which our LAWS were tinkered with in this ill conceived exercise.
    The Law can be an ass…..

    Morals now are a different matter. As you correctly suggest, morals are linked to character – and again the bushman says, Character is the ONLY thing of any lasting value that human beings can accumulate in life.
    I suggest to you that MORALITY should be a human constant….. and that a ‘good’ man from Biblical times should be very similar in CHARACTER to a good man of today.

    Hence, LAWS will be generally good if enacted by men of good morals.

    Point to note;
    Morality is not then about following laws- but about building good character. To take the argument further, a real test of a ‘truly good’ man is therefore having the strength of character to reject, and rebel against a ‘bad’ law. This is why many good men end up as ‘criminals’; in jail; or may be considered rebels.


  38. @Bush Tea

    You stated men with good morals will enact good laws so that we need
    men of good morals and that should be the focus. If we accept that we
    live in a man made society i.e here on earth and if we further accept
    the fallibility of man. How can we divorce morality from laws?


  39. The problem that we as a society is having that those we make the laws against immorality are themselves immoral.
    Another problem we have is that the the laws they have are not entirely of benefit to society as a whole but what would benefit those who make them politically.How about a law that makes education mandatory ?Isn’t that moral? Instead of playing politics with people on issues like weed? We as a society need to get our priorties straight.

  40. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    It would appear that David is is describing stage 4 of Kohlberg’s moral development scale, while BT is describing stage 6.

    Opinions on this subject are likely to be influenced by two competing philosophies… one is the notion, as described by Protagoras, that “man is the measure of all things”… the other is the notion, as described by Plato, that “God, not man is the measure”.


  41. It seems BT as usual is ahead of the poor BU family. Here is the link to the Kohlberg’s moral development scale.

    The point is we have to exist on earth in a man made society for the moment. The fallibility of man means that this will always represent a struggle given man’s imperfections greed etc hence the relationship between law and morality.


  42. My point is that laws are made to prevent man from doing immoral acts. While if a person is doing moral acts there is no need for such a law . Morality cannot be legislated


  43. Before we attempt to travel the enlightening road to “moral” development; we must be sure what we are attempting to develop. This means we must retrace out steps to fully understand morality. Morals are primarly concerned with establishing a dichotomy between good and bad, right and wrong behaviour.

    This right and wrong behaviour will be decided by the society in which we live. It is quite possible to have an individual construct…which may be right and different to society’s. However, society dictates that we adhere to its laws until we are able, either through actions or discourse to change established norms.


  44. To the Barbados Underground and its anonymous management:

    Running an anonymous blog where anonymous people incite hatred and racism, post lies, refer to their wish to perform violence on racial categories, and other things is not what a right-thinking, moral person(s) does/do.

    Is there scruple in condoning “free speech” when it incites racial hatred and violence? This is wrong, and even under the new defamation laws that the BU’s patrons (the DLP) will not bring; it is neither right nor legal.

    As posted by BU management in its policies section, this is a loophole that BU exploits while laws enable it to do so. Right or wrong? Lawful or not?

    We are conveniently discussing others’ morality, but we have a problem with seeing our own immorality, is it not?

    Moderate your blog if you want the pursuit of right vs wrong to be your moral.


  45. Here is what MME’s Kohlberg has to say in what he describes as the conventional stage of his model of moral development:

    The conventional level of moral reasoning is typical of adolescents and adults. Those who reason in a conventional way judge the morality of actions by comparing them to society’s views and expectations. The conventional level consists of the third and fourth stages of moral development. Conventional morality is characterized by an acceptance of society’s conventions concerning right and wrong. At this level an individual obeys rules and follows society’s norms even when there are no consequences for obedience or disobedience. Adherence to rules and conventions is somewhat rigid, however, and a rule’s appropriateness or fairness is seldom questioned.[7][8][9]

    Unfortunately BU do no buy in to his post conventional stage about individuals separating themselves from the society in which they exist. He seems to have gone a bit loco at this stage…lol.


  46. There are many laws which are designed for citizens to do “what is right”. These laws however are not designed to develop a persons moral character.but to cultivate a civil society. e.g traffic laws!


  47. The Law and morality are different as the law is enforced by rules; it is often the case that learned judges say “this is not a Court of morals”. In as much as it pains them to make certain judgements, but the law dictates that they do.


  48. any law which prevents a person to “life ,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” would be immoral.


  49. Interestingly, and this relates directly to our own society’s current moral dilemma, where we have a political class which refuses to enact integrity legislation, which society at large deems to be necessary for its just functioning, Kohlberg states:

    “Theoretically, one issue that distinguishes stage 5 from stage 6 is civil disobedience. Stage 5 would be more hesitant to endorse civil disobedience because of its commitment to the social contract and to changing laws through democratic agreements. Only when an individual right is clearly at stake does violating the law seem justified. At stage 6, in contrast, a commitment to justice makes the rationale for civil disobedience stronger and broader. Martin Luther King, for example, argued that laws are only valid insofar as they are grounded in justice, and that a commitment to justice carries with it an obligation to disobey unjust laws. King also recognized, of course, the general need for laws and democratic processes (stages 4 and 5), and he was therefore willing to accept the penalities for his actions. Nevertheless, he believed that the higher principle of justice required civil disobedience.”

    If we have aspirations of maturing into a stage 6 society on Kohlberg’s scale, (at least some aspects of it), we need to seriously consider civil disobedience as a means of forcing our political class to do what is right, to enact integrity and freedom of information legislation for the good of our society, as no other inducement seems capable of achieving that result.

    I will return to this theory in pursuit of justice in another matter.


  50. Referring to BU management,correction to above:

    that would be amorality

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