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A release from the Press Association (UK) Monday 31 August 2009, reported that female couples will be able to register both their names on the birth certificate of children conceived through fertility treatment.  Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 2008. The move will give women in same-sex relationships the same rights as heterosexual parents, to have their names on their children’s birth documents.

“Home Office Minister Lord Brett said the move was a “positive change”.  He explained:  This positive change means that, for the first time, female couples who have a child using fertility treatment have the same rights as their heterosexual counterparts to be shown as parents in the birth registration”.

I have put this submission forward in the interest of balance, so that a section of Barbadian society – though small – know that their concerns, not often addressed in other media in Barbados will be given a fair hearing on Barbados Underground (BU). I also hope the variety of views often expressed on BU are not stymied in this submission and that robustness is evident.  However, that robustness and freedom are tempered by responsibility and reason.

One could argue – perhaps with some justification – that there are not enough same sex female partners – living together – in Barbados for this issue to be of concern here, and even if they were, the cost of fertility treatment and access to it would prevent it becoming of major significance.  However, it could be argued that these debates are taking place in major industrial countries and it serves no purpose not – it does not mean we have to follow – to understand and debate issues which will give us a clearer understanding of our world.

“Same sex marriages are recognized in: “The Netherlands the first country to do so in 2001, Belgium, Canada, South Africa, Spain, Norway, Sweden and five states in the USA.  The majority of European countries recognize Civil Unions or Registered Partnerships as does New Zealand and Uruguay.  Other jurisdictions to the ones previously mentioned in the USA recognize Civil Unions or Domestic Partnerships.” – Wikipedia

The issue of names on birth certificates has become contentious, in Massachusetts – USA – where same sex marriage is legal.  Governor Mitt Romney said “babies born to couples of the same sex should be given amended birth certificates”.  As if to demonstrate how delicate the issue is, supporters of gay marriage say “the governor’s formula is wrong”.  They say “the words “Father” and “Mother” should be removed from birth certificates, and put in their place the terms “Parent A” and “Parent B”.

The supporters of gay marriage and those who agitate for a change.  Have to answer the charge that they always want “more” and they will only be satisfied with an equality, which certification cannot give.  It is often said there is a separate agenda by those who do not want a change in certification and it has nothing to do with the certificates, but more to do with and anti-gay marriage position.

In the UK there has also been opposition to their proposed New Legislation.  Ann Widdecombe a prominent Tory MP criticised the legislation.  She is reported to have said: ” Every child has a right to a father and this bill for the first time deliberately creates a situation where children are born without a father.

“A father plays a unique role in a child’s life.  The effect is quite simple.  You’re going to deprive a child from the outset”. As if to underpin the issue in not on party lines, Geraldine Smith the Labour MP was more succinct she said: ” To have a birth certificate with two mothers and no father is just madness.”

It is understandable that those in a stable same sex relationship have a desire to demonstrate their commitment to that relationship and the child or children being cared for, by having both names on the birth certificate.  However, suppose the child on attaining adulthood has a different outlook – it is possible – and is constantly being embarrassed when asked to produce his/her birth certificate.

If same sex marriage/unions are allowed, is it reasonable to refuse rights accorded to heterosexual couples?  One could easily argue that what they – same sex couples – are asking is completely different.  That is true but the “nature” of their relationship makes that so, it is not wilful intent to defy authority or the norm, they do not exist in a norm as “perceived” by some.

It is also possible that we could be allowing prejudice to determine decision making and that is not in the best interest of a fair and equitable society. It could be that we in Barbados will never have to make those hard decisions, but at least we are adult enough to reflect on them and give those whose opinions about society are diametrically opposed to ours, a fair hearing and an opportunity to advance their views.


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  1. I am totally against ‘same-sex’ marriages. It is a total sham of the institution of marriage. I pity the innocent children in these environments. Isn’t it confusing to them?
    What will they think of next?

    It’s a mad, mad world.


  2. Those two women look like Hilary Clinton and Condolleza Rice.


  3. “They say “the words “Father” and “Mother” should be removed from birth certificates, and put in their place the terms “Parent A” and “Parent B”.

    And who would be parent A? and who would be parent B? And will parent A be seen as a better parent than parent B?

    If so I wanna be Parent A.

    Leave Mother on the birth certificates.

    Leave Father on the birth certificates.

    But if there are 2 mothers, then put Mother/Mother on the birth certificate.

    And if there are 2 fathers the put Father/Father on the birth certificate.

    In other words put the truth on the birth certificates.

    And don’t shoot the messenger now, but in my 1950’s rural working class village in Barbados there were wickers raising children (and the children turned out real good too) and there were bi-sexuals (woman/man/man) and (man/woman/woman) raising children and those children also turned out well.

    Yes there are a number of responsible Barbadians who were raised by 2 mummies, 1 daddy; and 1 mummy, 2 daddies; or one wicker mummy.

    But old fashioned Bajans knew NOT to discuss “big-people business” with li’l children

    And I am telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

    But just watch the people coming on this blog and pretending outrage. Pretending that they grew up in villages where there were only heteosexual married couples.

    I was NEVER so.


  4. It was NEVER so.


  5. But hey no kissing in public. We Bajans don’t believe in that, not even if you have been married for 50 years or more.

    Keep ya bedroom business in the bedroom.


  6. It seems all the psychology books will have to be rewritten i.e. the role of the traditional mother and father.


  7. I would rather a child be raised by two women or two men than a woman or man alone…!


  8. J, very sensibIe point of view. Most of us wouId Iove the “ideaI” famiIy but we stiII survive as a race, even without it. What goes on in a “normaI” marriage is often pretty dodgy as can now be seen with DNA testing, where many are found not to have the Dad’s DNA! Group pressure to conform to society’s norm heIps cohesion and a successfuI society but it can get out of hand when non-conformists get persecuted. Iive and Iet Iive and yes, if 2 peopIe who Iove each other commit to raise a baby there wiII be more stabiIity than if just one parent has to cope but we must not Iose sight of the traditionaI famiIy with a Mum and a Dad as what we shouId aim for, to encourage the young. Everyone profits emotionaIIy from having a Dad especiaIIy boys and having an absent baby father’s name on your birth certificate is not a soIution. To see the name of a man on your birth certificate who was never there and did not care enough to stick around, even fathered Iots of other kids may be detrimentaI to your feeIings but at Ieast it can heIp identify potentiaI genetic inherited diseases etc. when you yourseIf decide to have chiIdren of your own, so I think somewhere on the birth certificate shouId incIude who the father or the egg donor was. J, you praise viIIage Iife where extended famiIies take care of progeny which IS great, but this does not extrapoIate into wider society, when famiIy connections dissoIve, often due to iIIegitimacy. So, how to praise and endorse “normaI” famiIy Iife without damning same sex famiIies? That’s our chaIIenge in C21st. Somehow we have to encourage aII committed coupIes by state benefits etc., that they wiII be better off than encouraging random baby creation.


  9. Another example of the further undermining of our christian society by the-debauched-left. Our countries r crying-out for a return to sensible-conservatism a la Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Raegan – god rest his soul!!


  10. Bimbro, I do get what you are saying about undermining but did you get my point that Govt. has to support the nucIear famiIy? You can say debauched and you are right to say that but how to fix it? That’s why I suggest rewarding those who at Ieast try to make a proper famiIy, instead of just indiscriminate procreation.


  11. victor wrote “, you praise viIIage Iife where extended famiIies take care of progeny which IS great, but this does not extrapoIate into wider society, when famiIy connections dissoIve, often due to iIIegitimacy.”

    Nowhere in my submission did I praise village life and nowhere did I say that extended family take care (or should take care) of progeny. I am a conservative. I believe that PARENTS should be a child’s PRINCIPAL care givers.

    Family connectons do not “dissolve” due to illegitimacy. Family connections “dissolve” because FATHERS desert their children. When a father decides to desert his child(ren) it is not a one time decision. It is a decicion he makes afresh every morning that he wakes up and DECIDES THAT DAY NOT to give his child its daily bread, or its daily love, or its daily money.

    A father’s decision not to love or provide for his child(ren) is not an accident and it has little to do with female “fooping-around”


  12. Victor, I agree with your view re: supporting the family. However, I’m not surprised by govt’s failure to do so as this s a phenomenon which I first encountered years ago when my fiancee and I decided to do the decent thing and got married before having children only then to find out that all the social care (or much of it) was given to the single mothers and not married couples, so its the continuation of a trend which has existed now, for some time! But, by this time, out-of-wedlock relationships seem to be becoming more the norm than within marriage so, I’m not now sure what the solution is. However, I’m convinced that once the left r in power you’ll see further erosion of our cherished values as that seems to be their calling and every perverse little degenerate cause seems to latch on to their coat-tails and end up being pacified by them by the granting of legislation which favours their interests which is why we could benefit from a dose of right-wingism although, recently emerging from just that in Bim, I don’t suppose Bajans would be so keen to re-visit that era, for a while!


  13. Victor, on another subject; I just read this and thought I’d ask!!:

    Are the scientific and intellectual brains of our people (Bajans) being fully, discovered, ultilised and exploited or, r going to waste! I’ve had the privilege of meeting one or two truly gifted Barbadians, mathematically and scientifically but, who were engaged in doing ordinary jobs. Is our government truly seeking to discover the talent of our people and utilise it for the true benefit of Bim?!!

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Optical-Quantum-Chip-Using-Light-Particles-Tested—Scientists-Hail-A-New-Era-For-Computing/Article/200909115374541?lpos=UK_News_Second_Home_Page_Article_Teaser_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15374541_Optical_Quantum_Chip_Using_Light_Particles_Tested_-_Scientists_Hail_A_New_Era_For_Computing


  14. Then, on the other hand, u get *hit-bags like this one, probably from a lifetime’s excessive fondness of ganga who commit crimes like this!! Don’t ask me where he’s from! U know me and them!! ‘Cept to say that, given the power, I’d be with a rope swinging in my hand and, smile on my face, just waiting to brek he neck!! Bring back the death penalty!!

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Blunders-Left-Convicted-Murderer-Peter-Bryan-Free-To-Kill-Again-Ate-Brain-Of-One-Victim/Article/200909115374467?lpos=UK_News_News_Your_Way_Region_8&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15374467_Blunders_Left_Convicted_Murderer_Peter_Bryan_Free_To_Kill_Again%2C_Ate_Brain_Of_One_Victim


  15. J
    MOTHERS desert their children too. Not only the FATHERS.

    The last time I checked, the nuclear family is mother, father, offspring. I cud be wrong.

    I have a wikka in my siblings and she has children and to this day, though grown now, still today they are affected by her being a shim. It is very embarassing for them to even discuss it man. And their peers, especiallly the boys, tease them relentlessly about it.

    Same sex marriage my big toe. No one can convince me enough that it is cool.It is blasphemous in my opinion.


  16. OFF TOPIC

    DAVID
    (1)
    Say it isn’t so.

    Hypocritical Guyana asks 50 “visitors” to leave because they overstayed their time.

    Is this not the same guyana whose government was highly critical of Barbados and Barbadians for asking guyanese “visitors” to leave for overstaying their time.

    Where is Ricky Signh, Compton Bourne, Sonny Ramphal, Norma Faria, The Nation newspaper, Annalee Davis, Peter Wickham when you need them?

    (2)
    I am still waiting to hear Mathew Farley’s take on our new rasta Senator.

    Is his hairstyle ok for the senate, Mathew?

    Don’t keep too long with your statement.


  17. BAFBFP // September 4, 2009 at 12:08 AM

    I would rather a child be raised by two women or two men than a woman or man alone…!

    ************

    BAF, can’t believe u said dat man! A perversion of the right way, if ever there was one! Give me a single parent in preference. The rest I’ll learn for myself, don’t want nuh she-she’s cluttering-up my brain wid foolishness!!

    Vic, the other tranche of this discussion concerns the intrinsic weakness of democracy which, although a wonderful system, makes it so vulnerable to being corrupted which will probably, ultimately, lead to all our doom!! Can’t expand upon this now! Bajans ent ready for it and would only attract too much vitriole. However, does n’t prove it’s untrue!!


  18. Bonny Peppa wrote “MOTHERS desert their children too. Not only the FATHERS.”

    True and I never said otherwise, but the truth is that fathers are more likely to desert than mothers. If you have other evidence bring it here.

    Bonny Peppa wrote “I have a wikka in my siblings and she has children and to this day, though grown now, still today they are affected by her being a shim. And their peers, especiallly the boys, tease them relentlessly about it.”

    Maybe it is not your sister’s homosexuality that has harmed her children, maybe it is the relentless teasing. May I ask why YOU, the parents, and teachers of the relentless teasers did not disipline them?

    I am outraged to hear that any child is relentless teased about anything while the elders stand idly by.

    Bonny Peppa write “It is very embarassing for them to even discuss it man. ”

    A child even an adult child has no business discussing their parent’s sexuality. Do you think that I ever discussed my parent’s sexuality, or that I ever discussed my sexuality with my parents (or with my children)

    Sexual matters should be discussed ONLY with your partner or your physician. Anything else is intrusive.

    We are too in love with too much damn openess nowadays.


  19. victor wrote “but did you get my point that Govt. has to support the nucIear famiIy? ”

    When you say support victor do you mean financial support?

    And is is ok by you (and by heterosexual families) for government to take tax money from homosexuals and use it to support heterosexual families, even while denying homosexual families that same support?


  20. Anon asked “I am still waiting to hear Mathew Farley’s take on our new rasta Senator.”

    Matthew Farley will not criticize Senator Arthur Holder. The new Senator has a bachelor’s degree in business, a master’s
    degree in social work (yes from a highly regarded American university) and a law degree.

    In Barbados we only PUBLICLY CHASTISE those whom we regard as our INFERIORS.

    On an educational level Senator Holder is definitely Matthew Farley’s superior.

    So no there will be no public chastisement.


  21. Great blog!!
    If you like, come back and visit mine: http://albumdeestampillas.blogspot.com

    Thanks,
    Pablo from Argentina


  22. I am happy that at my age I wont be around long enough to witness the further moral degeneracy (sic) that is brewing on the horizon for future generation.Wether we want to believe it or not the society we live in today is soddom and gomarrah. The homosexual lifestyle that has be forced upon us as an alternative to the traditonal family structure are not only having the scholars scrambling to redefine the sacred institution and function of the family as we know it for the last 2000 years, but also spun off a cottage industry at some Ivy league universities confering academic chairs and scholarship in this area. In other words Homosexuality or “queer science” is now a fully credentialised field worthy of rigorous academic study.

    A few weks ago the Harvard Crimson publication was advertising for a Professor of “Homosexuality and queerness” to fill a newly created chair in the department of behaioural science. I was Laughing my ass of on this one. The irony of all this according to the author was that Harvard was cutting back and laying off staff because of the recession but yet could find fund to provide for this new chair.

    Wake up people the agenda of these people is not gonna just stop here. They wanna take over.Next thing you know is that they will be demanding quotas and affirmative-like action in all facets of life(jobs, housing, education, etc).Even the churches are not safe from their mission.

    CORRECTION: The above article mention Mitt Romney has governor of Massachuset.Mr Romney was a former Governor.Present Governor is Patrick Duval


  23. I look forward to the day that Mia Mottley can without shame or redicule, look at a single individual, and say “my family”, instead of a sea of redshirt clad blp supporters members.


  24. J,

    Are you for real what do you call wanting every one to know that you are gay and are in a same sex marriage, what is that call I know and all opposed know but you as you do not see it or call it being to OPEN to discuss and share with the public, so stop talking through your mouth and rear end at the same time.


  25. BAFBFP // September 4, 2009 at 12:08 AM

    I would rather a child be raised by two women or two men than a woman or man alone…!
    ****************************

    I agree with you on that score. Your nemesis was raised by two women from about age 7 or 8. We lil children never discussed it and we treated him and his sibling as though it was normal. I never knew what wickers did in bed until he told us after spying on them. Give the lad a break.

    @J:

    We also had bullers in our little rural village. The same thing except that we gave them nick names like ‘Pipeman’, Dorothy, etc. In fact, the Pipeman was bi. There were two other single ladies people speculated were wickers, but no proof. The pair I mentioned to BAFBFP was white.

    I am not against gays nor gay marriage. The problem is with Bajan society. It is small and closed. In addition the Church has Bajans believing in the Bible and fire and brimstone. Bajans will be the last outpost to accept changes in society- to accept gays as ordinary human beings with different sexual proclavities.

    I grew up learning to live and let live and I will continue to live and let live. As I said before on a previous thread, there is one in every family, even mine.


  26. zion1971 // September 4, 2009 at 10:50 AM

    …………..
    Even the churches are not safe from their mission.
    ***********************************

    ha ha ha! Where have you been? The Church is a leader in homosexuality – The Roman Catholic Church. Did you know that Michelangelo was the bigest buller in Rome? How do you think he got all those commissions from el pape himself.

    Have you not been reading the current history of the Catholic Church? All across the world homosexuality and paedophilia. I say, come out in the open, do it with consenting adults and leave parents lil boys alone.


  27. J // September 4, 2009 at 8:58 AM

    Good post J. Loved it.


  28. Pablo (yo) // September 4, 2009 at 9:16 AM

    Great blog!!
    If you like, come back and visit mine: http://albumdeestampillas.blogspot.com

    Thanks,
    Pablo from Argentina
    ***************************

    Thanks for visiting our blog. I visited yours as invited. However, my spanish is not as good as it was and my dictionary was not at hand.

    Suffice it to say, I am an amateur stamp collector and enjoyed viewing those on your blog. I have an extensive collection of Chilean stamps dating back to the late 1800’s.

    Come back any time.

    Pat.


  29. J
    Where did I mention anything about a classroom setting? My nephews n nieces were the laughing stock of their peers long after their school days ended.
    What puzzles me is that you’re a wikka but still dealing wid men and getting pregnant? Come on man, you choose that lifestyle, leave the men alone. And for heaven’s sake leave the innocent childen out of the mess.

    I have no quarrel with anyone’s sexual preference but same sex marriage is taking it too far.Just my take on it.

    My wikkin sibling was and always will be considered an outcast by the other siblings. I was a bit more tolerant but always felt a bit embarrassed to be seen in public together for fear of being labelled as ‘one a dem’. We don’t look related. She’s very fair and I am a few tones down. She was very open in her affairs with these women too in her children’s presence. Probably thought they would remain small.

    piss at J,
    Luv de name but you mean at J or on J.


  30. BAFBFP
    I still trying ta see which whun look like Condoleeza. I even put on my specs an can mek out which whun. De one ta de leff? Ok.


  31. @ Bonny Peppa

    Why would you and your neices and nephews be embarrassed by your sister. You did and are doing nothing wrong, why the guilt?

    Those people who teased and still tease the nephews and nieces are ignorant. The shame is on them for being so small minded and not on you and your family.

    I am surprised that you would be ashamed to walk with your own sister. It seems we poor folk in the back of beyond St. Joseph are more tolerant by far.

    I have seen two men or two women rent bayhouses for afternoon liaisons. I have also seen respectable married men with their mistresses do the same thing. It pained me that we were warned by the adults to mind our business and not to tell our summertime friends – the children.

    This has been going on for many, many years. I was a kid then and am now in my 60’s. That is more than 50+ years. It aint new in Bim. Both ethnicities do it.


  32. Pat.
    Wikkas n bullas are not accepted in society, just like a woman having two or more men is not accepted. I won’t want to be labelled as ‘one a dem’. It is more acceptable for a man to have two or more women in the society that we live in. Some behavioral practises are scoffed upon by the society. Just like I won’t got shopping with a known cleptomaniac. What do they say about birds of a feather? I appreciate her as a family member but do not embrace her lifestyle.
    Because it has been happening in Bim and both ethnicities practise it, don’t mean that Bonny is to embrace it. Not me.
    Why would we be embarrassed you ask? Because it is not right in our sight and should not be condoned. It makes us feel uneasy.
    The same way she is free to practise her lifestyle, those who jeer are free to too.
    I would prefer to be labelled a ‘mistress’ than a wikka. The possibility exist that I might become ‘wife’ instead of ‘mistress’ but a wikka would never be the ‘man’ she longs to be.
    I’m not socializing with no wikkas or bullas at all Pat, be it my sista or cousin. I have to feel comfy in my arena.


  33. sorry, kleptomaniac. (thief)


  34. @ Bonny Peppa

    You may be surprised. You may work and socialize with them all like now and dont know it. Not many in Bim are out of the closet.

    In my opinion, there are many hysbands and wives who do the same things as wikkas and bullas. That, my friend, is the hypocracy in Bajan society. I had a very good colleague and gay friend that I could call on at any time to fix my car, paint my windows, etc. I also had two men living just down the street from me as well. Everyone knew that one left his wife for the other, but, no one cared. It was none of our business.

    I used to be given plants by two gay Jews who had a plot at the allotment- the nicest, friendliest and kindest people one could hope to meet. Look at all the possibilities you are missing out on. Lasting friendships and great loyalty.

    One of the biggest wikkas here in this town is a Bajan. I found out recently that it was she, who left the organist at our church (in Bim) at the altar. She actually went to the church, looked at the intended husband and walked out. She said that was the last time she saw him.

    I think, in all honesty, she did the man a big favour. I am sure the little embarassment he may have suffered was a lot less than a lifetime of misery married to a wikka.


  35. Pat
    Ya got ma laffing.
    I can’t worry about what I don’t know about. So if I work alongside some and don’t know, it can’t be a worry of mine.
    As long as I know that you’re a wikka, I don’t want you helping me with no chores whatsoever. She might see it as an open invitement to come on to me. To be honest with you, I have nothing against them as long as they stay their distance from me.
    I can’t for the life of me fathom the thought of a woman ‘fondling ‘ me. Just the thought of it is making my stomach curdle. I want to pukeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

    Keep wunna plants, keep wunna flowers, keep wunna friendship, keep wunna loyalty and keep wunna distance too.

    A lot of them are still in the closet because it is not sociallly accepted here, at least not yet.
    Some gays n’lesbians group was formed some time back but haven’t heard anything of it recently. Not sure what they were trying to achieve.

    No bosey.


  36. Bonny Peppa wrote “just like a woman having two or more men is not accepted.”

    You mean two at the same time or one after the other?


  37. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
    Jiddu Krisnamurti


  38. Romans 1:18-32 (New International Version)
    God’s Wrath Against Mankind
    18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
    21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
    24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
    26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
    28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


  39. J, Sorry if I misunderstood that you praised the idea of the “viIIage famiIy” but at Ieast the extended or viIIage famiIy is abIe to take more care of offspring than a Ione parent under extenuated circumstances in an aIien society; you must agree when contrasting beIeaguered one parents in Prospects etc. to kids growing up with reIatives around them, where they find emotionaI, roIe modeI and financiaI babysitting etc. support. No, I don’t expect homosexuaIs to pay for nucIear famiIies via govt. support. HomosexuaIs are in a vast minority in the parent area yet they pay their taxes which go to support the education of other peopIe’s chiIdren, as do aII working singIe peopIe. Same sex famiIies are a modern phenomenon, untested yet and the proven success rate so far goes to nucIear famiIies. We have not had enough time to judge how same sex famiIies with chiIdren wiII Iast. So at the moment, yes, via tax concessions etc. I think that those who have committed to a heterosexuaI marriage in a society which is based on a set of vaIues which broadIy incorporates the nucIear famiIy, shouId get those concessions and our taxes in order to strengthen our society. In time, same sex famiIies are getting the same benefits so caIm down. I think we are aII in agreement here that runaway Dads and girIs who have not thought it through are the probIem. on the other hand, Barbados has I think 5 femaIes to every maIe so even in an ideaIistic worId there are not enough husbands to go round. Add to that the men who Ieave for away and those who choose foreign women and you are Ieft with a hefty percentage of Bajan women who wouId dearIy wish to be a mother yet can onIy resort to somebody eIse’s husband to get pregnant or a runaway Dad or just not have a chiId or famiIy of their own. It’s a reaIity which has to be faced. The viIIage famiIy seems more viabIe than any State-supported pIan, don’t you think? The idea of adopting chiIdren via an agency is not popuIar in Barbados, have you noticed? one has to wonder why on earth not? It’s an anathema to most Bajans. At the end of the day same sex marriages are the ideaI here even though many chiIdren on this isIand are not born in them. Trying to get the pubIic to accept same sex famiIies here wiII take a Iong time whiIst peopIe have to deaI with simpIe demographic statististics yet adhere as a group to Christian vaIues, vaIues which for the time being are the onIy thing hoIding the society together.


  40. Sorry I meant heterosexuaI marriages are the ideaI here! oops Dr Freud.


  41. Wake up people wake up,the powers that be ..meaning the scum Rothschild,Rockerfeller and the other fag boys along with the elite families worldwide will push this homosexual agenda on us now more than ever..why you ask?..because they want us to stop breeding..two men or two women cannot reproduce..depopulation control at its finest..its called the feminization of men and the lesbianization of women..ask Hopi.


  42. J, your surprise me – I agree with you.

    Civilization and society moves on – otherwise, we would all probably be the slaves that the Old Testament endorsed.

    As Pat rightly pointed out, the Catholic church – and I mean the Anglo Catholic church as well – are the biggest haven for bullers to be found outside of the gay villages in places like Toronto and Montreal. However, most (meaning 99.9999%) of the homosexuals I know would have no interest in interfering with children and therein lies the difference between homosexual enclaves that exist in cities and the enclave that exists in religeous organizations. The Roman Catholic church has paid out BILLIONS in damages and out-of-court settlements because of child molestation. So, I have to laugh when someone tries to put him/her self into the mind of the Almighty when the biggest single source of child molestation (boys and girls) is as a result of libidinous, pedophile priests.

    Live and let live. It isn’t harming you what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms – what is harming you is when you take your child to the church for religeous instruction on how to hate homosexuals, just like you do, and instead their ‘instructor’ gives them practical experience.


  43. freewilly, perhaps, I’m simple-minded but, I thought business people would b more interested in expanding the population to have more customers to sell their goods to! Does that theory make sense to u, because, if it does, it does n’t say much for your theory does it!!


  44. Anon
    ‘Live and let live. It isn’t harming………..

    Who’s talking about what they do in their bedrooms? We’re addressing the legalisation of same-sex marriage.
    Not the same thing.
    Am I missing something or wah?


  45. C’mon folks – traditional marriage has been the “covenant” of passage where a man and a woman took “vows” and entered the “holy” estate of matrimony…

    In the 21st century, who holds the keys of hell (sorry, marriage)?

    It is the State.

    “In most modern nations, government holds those keys. Even if people have been married by their church or religious group, they are not married in the sense that really counts for social and political purposes unless they have been granted a marriage license by the state.” (Martha Nussbaum)

    The sociology of “marriage” is as complex as the rudiments of rocket or interplanetary science.

    Marriage today means different things to different groups of people.

    Even religious institutions have their own internal dissension and discord over the matter.

    For me as an individual – my pretext for formulating a proper understanding of marriage hinges on the Biblical understanding of what God intended for marriage to be for all mankind.

    We can disagree over the semantics but I am clear on that one thing…


  46. @Terence M. Blackett

    “marriage hinges on the Biblical understanding of what God intended for marriage to be for all mankind.”

    GOD IS THE STATE!

    Marriage is when two people of the opposite sexes commit themselves to each other. Any other than that are trappings and offer nothing to the sanctimony of the marriage. The other things offer legality and religious authenticity.

    The marriage itself is made sacred by the two people and no external forces. God as you know it is not the Creator; just another kind of Massa.


  47. Thank you ROK…

    I do NOT share your sentiments but with all due respect, marriage is more than the trappings of sociological tenets espoused willy-nilly by many whose social agenda is the redefinition of spiritual landmarks established before any of us were even born.

    Whatever our conceptions of God, CHRIST* or the teachings of Scripture – some things remain absolute, irrevocable and forever settled.

    Man choose their path and destiny with the absolute right to obey or disobey timeless laws which will not change though the heavens may fall.

    Our conjecture, superfluity or nonchalance will do precious little to change what has already been set in motion.

    Be blessed my bruv…


  48. @Terrence M. Blackette
    “Our conjecture, superfluity or nonchalance will do precious little to change what has already been set in motion.”

    Is that so? Conjecture? Should I take that as an insult? Superfluous? Not understanding that one… but let me say as you said, it’s all based on lies and deceit.


  49. J
    Whether it be two at a time or one shortly after the other, the reaction from society is almost the same. You would hear things like, ‘she like she chan keep a man or she is change she men sa quick doe”. And in the case of gotting two or more men at the same time, Sus Crois. Ya would hear, ‘she is a real stinking, wutless bitch/whore hear? And if she has girl children, ya would also hear, ‘ she daughtas gun be wutless just like she, caus de apple doan fall too far from de tree.
    I lie J? Tell de trute, doan be dangrus.

    ROK,
    When I get dis divorce in order an ask for your hand in marriage, you could gimme talk an you would see.
    smoochhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

    Terence,
    Nite, nite hunny. Long time no see. Was beginnin to give up pun you.

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