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We found the submission by this BU commenter to be precise and insightful to the ‘hair’ debate. While most commenters have remained married to facil positions about freedom of expression etcetera, Yardbroom has successfully in our view encapsulated the debate of ‘non-traditional’ hairstyles in a deeper context-David

Submitted by: Yardroom

damien griffithIn most countries, the standards which are accepted or expected of those who lead us, or in responsible positions can vary. This is because culture, race, religion and history determine what is acceptable. In a free society we can do almost anything, providing it is within the law, but common sense tells us that to have an ordered society some things are better not done, if they would make us subject to ridicule, or cause annoyance or discomfort to others. It is that element of individual self-control which gives order to the society which we are a part of.

To state that a person’s hairstyle has no impact on his/her intellectual ability is so obvious that it is not worth stating … that is not an issue. In most societies, certain modes of behaviour and dress are expected from people in significant positions, does that mean their dress has a bearing on their professional ability? often it does not, but habit and custom influences the way we perceive things, to suggest otherwise is not being honest. If our Governor General decided to carry out his official duties, suitably adorned with shoulder length dred locks, contemplate that for awhile… what would be the impact on the population and other officials, national and foreign with whom he meets at official functions.

There are those who would argue it would not matter, perhaps it would not. I raise this scenario only for us to contemplate seriously the logic of what what we say, when we suggest that hairstyles or appearance do not matter as regards our ability to satisfactorily perform our duties. The hair style has no mental impact on our ability, but the way we are perceived influences society in its perception of us, if it did not, there would be no need for this discussion. Some commenters here, have referred to other important figures of previous centuries, stating they had long hair etc that is no argument unless the “norm” of that specific historical period was other than long hair.

I am also at a loss, as to why some people think that to be old or above a certain age is not to know, or renders a person unable to understand, that line of argument has no more validity than to suggest that the youth of today are ignorant of all things and their feelings and way of life are of no account.
Good manners, taste, respect for others and self -worth are what most of us strive for, it is the ability to determine what those things are in the society of which we are a part, which determines how much or how little we have learned from our life experiences.

When the question is posed, who sets the standard? ” we set the standard” but an individual on his/her own rarely does, because it is “acceptance by others” that ensures the accepted standard is maintained. As to the gentleman whose hairstyle has generated this debate, I will make no reference to him at all, as my policy on the bloggs is not to say anything negative about named individuals, apart from senior politicians on matters of policy. This situation is different in context and specific to personal grooming… I will therefore pass on it.

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  1. And therefore, liable to more erudite decisions because their brains are n’t ****ed!!!! 🙂


  2. To Me……just ask your own kids!!

    Maybe the answer would shock you.


  3. Neil
    There is much that you say I agree with and it is difficult to oppose the remainder without some reservations.

    (1) In my first comment, I specifically made no criticism of the Senator and went to some lengths to explain why.

    (2) I could have stated that the young men pictured in the original article with the Senator, were only “charged” and as such were not guilty of any offence, but I decided not to mention that, because I realized the broader issue David was trying to highlight.

    (3) I did not respond to Vison Alert’s question because I had no evidence to support or deny his assumption. I thought it best not to give a view unless I was sure of the ground on which I stood.

    (4) I am delighted that you expanded away from “the narrow focus” which some commenters implied this discussion was about.

    Some have wondered why this topic has generated so much comment, perhaps they have not fully realized what underpins it: a society trying to adjust to a changing world, wanting to be at ease with itself, trying to establish modes of behaviour, that all its citizens can live with, confident with their individuality, giving freedom to individuals but yet thinking of the common good, not being slaves to tradition, but setting examples of behaviour that can influence others.

    We have seen a slide into almost societal decay, in places to the north of Barbados, where areas of communities are almost lawless and seemingly ungovernable, where police only enter armed and strangers enter with extreme caution, because of behaviour patterns. It would be a pity if Barbados followed such a path.


  4. I know the answers already but I hope yopu know them as well


  5. I will ask these questions again for answers…..

    Did the Senator chose to become a Senator on his own or was he chosen by the same ‘people of high standards’ who would now seek to dehumanize him?


  6. Hey Bimbro……you know I have to leave you with something for your mind to ponder……
    http://www.blackplanet.com/groups/group.html?group_id=15522

  7. The devils advocate Avatar
    The devils advocate

    Corn rows are only a part of ‘feminine’ attire in this part of the world. There are many cultures where men wear corn rows. In some cultures e.g. native american and some african long hair=wisdom. The hindu holymen or saddhus wear locks and locs wearers (outside the caribbean) are usually respected as more spiritual people who are not tied to the material,
    almost all the ‘holy men’ (again outside the caribbean) wear locks. Why are locks, corn rows, and any other style of natural hair demonised for men but allowed for women? Why is cut hair the only appropriate ‘decent’ style for the men. Is it because black women with long hair is someones sexual fantasy?
    Some of you have taken the step of connecting long hair for men and corn rows with crime. Ok, consider this, how many plait hair and locks men do you see with their children? none? how many crew cut men are in jail for refusing to pay child support?none? Can you tell which man is a rapist by looking at them? How many serial killers have sported locks? The plait hair men that were splashed on your page next to the senator…….what were they charged with, murder? When will we stop hating our skin, our hair? Are you aware that in some countries there are police detectives who wear locks?lawyers, doctors and others and there is nothing wrong with their brains? Most of you are sitting in little Barbados trying to fit an image that was handed down to us by our former masters and now we call it ‘appropriate attire’ for the time and place. “Appropriate attire” some how never seems to include anything that is remotely natural to black people. Back in the 80’s you could be fired for wearing cornrows to work in a hotel regardless to if you are male or female. Is that where you want us to get back to as a nation? I challenge those of you who speak negatively about locks and natural styles for men,to read a book called “Dreads” by Francesco Mastalia and Alfonse Pagano. It contains an introduction by Alice Walker. I challenge you to look at the faces of those whose images are depicted there and tell me which of them belong to “the sub-culture” and which of them will end up on the ‘court’ pages.
    P.S. a ‘sub-culture’ is simply a part of the general culture of the land. It is similar in meaning to a “subset”.


  8. Justice how can we give it a rest when Dodds is majority populated with our young strong men who have popularize this air style? You would have noticed that we have brought our focus to bear on the youts!


  9. the devils advocate you are stating the obvious and completely missing the point

    BTW I have been to Jamaica on several occassions and I have lived in the inner city USA Philly, ATL and NYC and I have been to Brixton… I think that our yutes are adopting cultures wholesale without fully understanding them!


  10. The cornrow hairstyle and in many cases locs have far less to do with going back to africa, or affirming ones heritage than simply adopting a style that is current and antiestablishment.

    Secondly The senator just like any newbie has to prove themselves but he has made it more difficult for himself by appearing frivolous and antiestablishment. Remember he has not positioned himself as a ‘back to africa ‘ disciple, he has simply said to us accept me as you see me.

    So I for one want to hear what he has to say about the yute and our way forward!


  11. Me says….Secondly The senator just like any newbie has to prove themselves but he has made it more difficult for himself by appearing frivolous and antiestablishment. Remember he has not positioned himself as a ‘back to africa ‘ disciple, he has simply said to us accept me as you see me.
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    You just dont get it………it is more like accept me as you CHOSE me!!


  12. David // March 17, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    Justice how can we give it a rest when Dodds is majority populated with our young strong men who have popularize this air style? You would have noticed that we have brought our focus to bear on the youts!
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    Do you for one second think that it is because of their hairstyles that they are incarcerated??

    Keep on blaming the hair and refusing to really look at the other contributing factors in the youth.

    You are starting to remind me of the proverbial ostrich.


  13. Technician // March 17, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Hey Bimbro……you know I have to leave you with something for your mind to ponder……
    http://www.blackplanet.com/groups/group.html?group_id=15522

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    Tech, they’re all boring, useless, misguided people. Sad because our people can not afford such wastage.

    Anyway, u have n’t given me your views on gorillas, as I asked u to!!!!

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    me // March 17, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    The cornrow hairstyle and in many cases locs have far less to do with going back to africa,

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    Further foolishness, africa and africans don’t want you!!!! You’re only fooling yourselves to think that they do, unless of course to only use you and then dump you when they’re finished!!!! Stop fooling yourselves!!! It’s time enough that you grew-up and opened your eyes!!!!


  14. Sorry Bimbro ……..when you equate black people to the same equal as gorillas…you rub me the wrong way.

    To many times we were called that in the most derogatory terms by racist bastards !!

    Maybe this clouds my judgment in terms of seeing your point of view so ….for now that is a question I really have no time to waste responding to.


  15. ok, Tech, I don’t think that ALL black, people look like gorillas, not even all rastafarians, afterall, you’re one and I’m certain that YOU don’t look like a gorilla, just the two in the pics!!!!

    I thought they were memorable, plus they must have scared my fair prince and duchess, which I’m not very, happy about!!!! 🙂

    Going to kadooment, this year?!!!!, with your hair long, or short?!!!! 🙂


  16. David, are you saying that it is the hairstyle which made them criminals or were they criminals who adopted the hairstyle?


  17. Tech, after telling me about kadooment, please let me know if you’d also, like to hear my ‘tale of commamere woe’!!!!

    It’s amazing!!!!


  18. wearing a european suit
    should be banned in barbados
    period


  19. Of course not Justice! Whatever makes you think so? You seem an intelligent sort why do you continue to miss the bigger point?


  20. David // March 18, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Of course not Justice! Whatever makes you think so? You seem an intelligent sort why do you continue to miss the bigger point?
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    And that is what again David???

    Recommend you read Yardbroom one more time!

    David


  21. Tech, u too serious!! How can u go to Kadooment, if you suh serious!!!!

    Would u like to hear my ‘tale of commamare woe’!!!! 🙂

  22. The devils advocate Avatar
    The devils advocate

    “the devils advocate you are stating the obvious and completely missing the point”

    What exactly is the point I am missing?
    Are you aware that in the 1930’s to 1950’s in Jamaica you could be imprisoned and forcibly shaved if you wore locks? You could even have been killed. Can you imagine that. Where in the world have you heard of white people or any other race being killed or imprisoned due to HAIR.
    It has never been about hair. Anything of African origin is perceived as substandard, low, backward, hence the perception that anyone who wears their hair natural, on purpose, is backward, uneducated etc but the woman who methodically uses chemicals to strip any trace of africa from her hair is acceptable. Why must black people always have to go to such lengths to be accepted as ‘decent’ in society? I see white men wear their hair at all different lengths and still get acceptance. Most white men who choose to wear their hair long and held back in a pony tail are not accused of having ‘woman hair’ or told that he looks like ‘a little girl’, Why? because his hair is ‘neat’ and ‘tidy’ it is ‘under control’. You must always ‘do something’ with black peoples hair to make it presentable, after all nappy african type hair is wild and out of control, just like black people as a whole. If you allow black people to do as they like (with their hair) all hell will break loose. The only way to keep black people (and their hair) is control, control, control. I guess ‘me’ will once again say that I have missed the point. ‘me’ needs to present something to me that illustrates ‘the point’ instead of simply stating that I have missed it. Educate me, please.


  23. Hi Techie, ok, I accept that u don’t have a sense of humor, at least not where gorillas (sorry, rastas), are concerned and shan’t ply you with my Bajan humour, anymore!!!!

    Mind u, I noticed in my British version of The Nation, that there were far more than just two gor, sorry, rastas at that meeting with my fair prince and his gracious wife, so they must be more plentiful than I realised!! Mind u, it was, mercifully, in Jamaica!!!!

    To ALL Bajans!! Don’t mind me, I’m not Bajan and therefore not as clever as you!! but I noticed in my same NationNews that you now have your BOY scouts being led by WOMEN!!!! Apparently, Bajan MEN, are n’t good enough for leading our young men!!!! The feminisation of our male youth is complete!!!! No wonder they look, down, depressed and lost!!!!

    But don’t mind me, I’m only British!!!!

    Poor lads!!!!

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