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Join Barbados Underground and follow the countdown of the 41 seats in the Trinidad and Tobago General Elections 2007 on C-News – The Voice of TnT.

Source: Trinidad Guardian

Yet another General Election is upon us in the Caribbean and if the result runs true to form the People National Movement (PNM) might be found wanting when the the final result is posted. In Barbados, Prime Minister Owen Arthur will have an eye on this election result if for no other reason that a PNM defeat will help to feed a public perception that incumbent governments need to be swept from office come hell or high water.

The happenings in T&T must also interest Barbadians because of the geographical proximity and the growing economic interdependence of the two countries. The current debate in Barbados regarding the acquisition of the Barbados conglomerate BS&T by Neal & Massy and Ansa MaCal, the offer by CLICO for Barbados Farms which is a company that owns over 4000 acres of land, the controversial purchase of the Barbados National Bank (BNB) and we can go on makes our point. Whether we agree on what some consider to be the hegemonic behaviour of T&T or whether current events mirror the need to integrate under the ideals of the Caribbean Single Market and Economy (CSME), events in T&T will create conversation in Barbados.

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Basdeo Panday, Patrick Manning and Winston Dookeran:
Source: T&T News Blog

We have been scanning the T&T newspapers and listening to the news when we can. What is noticeable is the violence and crime. The reemergence of the relic Basdeo Panday who seems to still have the fire in his belly. Our analysis of the situation suggest that the passivity of Winston Dookeran has left the door open for Panday and the UNC. From this distance it looks to us as if T&T for all its economic advancement is a country which will continue to vote along racial lines – we would welcome feedback from our T&T visitors to the blog on this point! The recent polls all show that the race will be very tight so it makes us wonder why Panday – UNC and Dookeran – COP wouldn’t entertain a coalition going into the election to ensure that they can better the odds.

If our observation reflects our naiveté about Trinidad politics please forgive us!

Barbados Underground wish the T&T political parties well. Even though general elections are taking place in a sovereign country the world sees us as one space, one Caribbean. The leaders of our Caribbean continue to advocate that we must move to a single economic space to ensure our survival in the prevailing global turbulence. The ability of any T&T government to manage its cosmopolitan environment must interest Caribbean neighbours. If we can’t manage the diversity on the domestic front how can we hope to do it under a CSME umbrella!

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80 responses to “Update:Trinidad Election Watch, November 05, 2007~Will The Trend Continue?”


  1. It is the violence which Barbadians should be scared of. We talk bout importing inflation, well with all these Trini’s bout here we mite just be importing crime and violence.


  2. If Barbadians are so stupid as to allow Clico to buy out Barbados Farms they can put their heads between their legs and kiss their proverbvial heritage asses good bye.


  3. It is very interesting to read that the political parties have been using the online medium to get their messages out. Barbados it has been reported has a high level of online access so it follows that Barbados more than Trinidad should be utilizing this medium. For example the T&T political parties have been advertising in the social media like HI5 and facebook. We did a quick check and facebook has over 10, 000 Barbadians registered online, mainly young people. If Barbadian politicians want to entice the youngsters to the political arena they need to change it up.


  4. You can’t cover Trinidad elections without me! The future PM!


  5. Just finished scanning the T&T newspapers and again we have an example of a newspaper standing up to a Prime Minister. Manning has filed a law suit against the Express for defamation. The Trinidad Express is standing firm. Newspapers and radio stations in Barbados just don’t have a back bone. It could be that Manning has filed the suit on the eve of election to send a message.

    Also it looks like Ricky Singh read our article 🙂


  6. David,

    You are clearly an idiot.


  7. Will this election help or hurt fishing negotiations?


  8. Barbados got what they really wanted, the opportunity to fish for hydro-carbons. A fishing agreement will always be stacked against Barbados because the fishing industry is a key industry for Tobago. Why would they jeopardize Tobagonian fishermen to satisfy those in Barbados?


  9. What makes Barbados think that they can manage a multiracial society by allowing so many people into a small country from multiethinic backgrounds? Trinidad after all these years still voting along racial lines and everything about race.


  10. DAVID

    “Why would they jeopardize Tobagonian fishermen to satisfy those in Barbados?”

    Why do we Bajans jeopardize Bajan jobs for Guyanese, Trinidadians, Jamaicans, St Lucians, Vincentians, Dominicans, Grenadians, Chinese etc. etc.?


  11. Anonymous~the difference here is T&T intransigence or whatever you want to call it. Barbados is embracing ALL people while T&T is not so generous with their fish!


  12. Yes Trini’s continue to vote along racial lines, but it now looks like the blacks are the ones who are unable to move beyond race. The PNM is a disaster! Petro dollars flowing like water, but black people still catching hell, and T&T has now displaced Jamaica as the crime capital of the WI. I was listening to a radio talk show this weekend, and clearly most blacks are fed up with the PNM, but they are still not prepared to vote UNC or COP. De Doc is dead and gone, but the blacks are still holding on.


  13. Anonymous // Nov 5th 2007 at 7:57 am

    What makes Barbados think that they can manage a multiracial society by allowing so many people into a small country from multiethinic backgrounds? Trinidad after all these years still voting along racial lines and everything about race.
    ————————————————————
    It is against this background of questions and concerns that I proudly wear the ill assigned xenophobic label.


  14. de gap // Nov 5th 2007 at 10:43 am

    Yes Trini’s continue to vote along racial lines, but it now looks like the blacks are the ones who are unable to move beyond race. The PNM is a disaster! Petro dollars flowing like water, but black people still catching hell, and T&T has now displaced Jamaica as the crime capital of the WI. I was listening to a radio talk show this weekend, and clearly most blacks are fed up with the PNM, but they are still not prepared to vote UNC or COP. De Doc is dead and gone, but the blacks are still holding on.
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    I don’t know if the you can say that Blacks are the ones unable to move beyond race …..well maybe in the way they prefer to vote, but certainly Indo trinis and “Dooglah” women are much preferred by Trini Blacks. 😀


  15. Don’t tell me the black power uprising in the 70’s was all in vain?


  16. de gap please don’t despair, we have to continue to build!

    We are disappointed that our leaders continue to be stuck in the mire when it comes to the development of the Caribbean. Their proclivity to wrestle with political matters over issues of a social flavor continues to disappoint. We have written articles on BU and papers elsewhere that Caribbean governments should have sponsored case studies on what is takes for multi-ethnic societies to co-exist and be productive, and we are not talking GDP ONLY! How can we develop educational systems which seek to improve harmony among our people BLACK, WHITE AND BLUE!

    Unfortunately racial harmony is something which black people don’t like to discuss. But to the topic at hand, T&T provides a good population to study and to inform social reform programs which should be sponsored under the umbrella of CSME, in fact it should have been a precursor. Our populations have taken for granted that for people from different ethic backgrounds to come together is a natural process.


  17. If Panday get back in Mannig and crew should look to emigrate. It’s payback time!!


  18. The T&T vote would have always proved diffficult to remove the PNM and put a CONVICT like Basdeo Panday in power !

    He must recall this man should be doing time behind bars !

    The PNM result is no comfort for the BLP because the T&T dynamics are different in comparison with the change of governments sweeping the Caribbean .

    The truth must be told that this BLP government is headed by a DRUNKARD !

    Did Barbadians see the DRUNKARD on TV 8 stammering & staggering from the effects of strong SPIRITS ?

    Proclaiming what a pathetic CROOK he is……that he too BUSY to investigate the HARDWOOD issue !

    No doubt he is telling Barbadians that he is too BUSY to tell them about :

    * EASTRY HOUSE * GEMS * LOUIS LYNCH SCHOOL REPORT * VECO PRISON CONTRACT * FBI REPORT * QEH * CBC * 3S & DANOS CONNECTION

    It is time this political CHARLARTAN…..be sent to DODDS for some good HARDWOOD !


  19. At this early stage we get call it for the PNM. It perhaps spells the end of Panday’s political career. The results also show that the PNM will regain the government with less votes than last time around. It also shows that if the COP has joined with the UNC it could have been a different result.

    Arthur can take heart from the result and feel that as the experienced and seasoned leader he has the advantage in the upcoming election.


  20. The Trinidadian election has no relation to our own election, what is cleart osee from this poll result is that the Trinidadians are very unhappy with the PNM the splitting of the vote was critical to the success of the PNM.
    Iwould not suggest that this by any means suggest a strong performance of the PNm it is actually a very poor showing by them.
    The intent of the people was clear but they loss out by the two parties going head to head.


  21. David I totally disagree with your suggestion that Arthur can feel relieved.
    This result has no bearing on the likely outcome of the Barbados elections.
    The number of votes that will return the PNM to power will be less that the combined votes of the COP and NAR the people of the twin islands have clearly said that they want a change but how do they get to that point??
    We have many pressing issues in our election, we have not got the racial divide, as they have in Trinidad our issues are very different to theirs.
    As we are hearing on the radio the COP will hold in excess of 100,000 votes but still they have little or no voice in the house of assembly


  22. WIV~You should not disregard a perception which will be created that an incumbent government can win a government. This is important because it bucks a trend in the last 4-5 elections in the Caribbean.Arthur being the political tactician that he is will spin this to tremendous advantage.


  23. Did Trinidad have the same percentage of undecided voters as we are seeing in our polls and secondly was their percentage of those wanting change as high as ours ?
    I think not, our conditions are somewhat different to those in Trinidad.
    We do not have the divide in terms of race as they have, our split is the rich versus the poor and this is becoming a wider divide with each passing day.
    I see nothing in this result for Owing to seek solace from his own fate.


  24. THE BLP LEADS BAJAN ON MERRY GO ROUND
    THERE HAS BEEN A CERTAIN DESPERATION in the tactics of the Barbados Labour Party (BLP) in the past three months. The features of this desperation are unique. We have seen BLP desperation before. In 1981, fearful that the electoral reforms it introduced would wound it politically, we saw electoral irregularities of a magnitude never witnessed in Barbados’ history. Errol Barrow said the election was not free and fair.

    In 1986, as the curtain was closing on a BLP Administration, the campaign it ran was the most corrosive ever. Political attack advertisements were the order of the day and issues of race and identity came to the fore. BLP leader, the late Sir Harold St John, said the BLP spent US$1 million on ads alone, hiring the top ad firm – and the shortly-thereafter
    disgraced – Saatchi & Saatchi.

    This year is different. No, we don’t mean the sight of Mia Mottley dancing across a temporary stage singing “People Are You Ready?” while Mascoll tells her she’s ready! We have seen all of that in the past and it confirms that, despite Owen’s reservations, Mia is definitely his replacement. And Mascoll loves her dearly!

    We don’t mean the full-page attack advertisement on David Thompson two Sundays ago. All that means is that the BLP has been wounded by the serious Hardwood allegations and blood has been drawn, so the only way to deal with it is to attack David Thompson. Can you imagine a BLP Administration having to spend thousands in a paid political ad to respond to Hardwood Housing when all of Barbados was ready to listen to Mascoll’s replies without having to pay? Some members of the public would pay Mascoll to respond!

    We don’t even consider Liz Thompson pulling out her stinger and carting it around as she did a cutlass on a political platform in 1999. None of these can compare to “Girls Gone Wild”, try as they might and no matter how they try to shock and awe us into believing that this beleaguered and deadweight Administration still has some life.

    This Government paints an ugly, sorry picture now wherever they go and whatever they do. The policy mantra to reverse this blight is called “Face It And Fix It”. But that is a total farce.

    Fourteen years after they were elected – and their political friends have had a field day with prices, chalking up massive profits through price-gouging of the poor – the BLP now says that it has a policy to deal with price-gouging! For all of those 14 years Owen Arthur says: “We can’t go back to the bad old days of price controls. We can’t remove surcharges. We can’t do this and we can’t do that.” Lynette Eastmond says that price controls won’t work. Mascoll, on hearing
    Chris Sinckler say a DLP government will introduce selective price controls, says it’s foolishness!

    So after emptying our wallets for those 14 years, and on the eve of an election, the blighted Minister of Finance now tells us that he will make an assault on prices. Does someone think Bajans are really stupid?

    As we said before, an election is around the corner, and in true “face-it-and-fix-it” style, he is now facing judgment day with the electors of this country and he doesn’t want them to fix him, so promises galore will be the order of the day before the big day.

    “Face it and fix it” is a farce.


  25. My two cents is simple. Manning will win in a landslide victory.

    CADRES should be shut down, all their polls are incorrect and always WRONG.

    Why do we even bother with them?


  26. Jay in fairness to Peter he was at pains to point out that he was not prepared to call the T&T election result. The reality as we see, it appears that the COP pull significant votes from the UNC and the PNM was the beneficiary.

    TRINIDAD and Tobago yesterday voted to “step up” with Prime Minister Patrick Manning and the People’s National Movement.

    In one of the most keenly contested election races in recent years, the people bought into the party’s plan to continue its goal of taking the country to developed status by 2020 with a second straight term in office, giving the PNM 26 of the 41 seats.

    Source : Trinidad Express


  27. Well well well!

    Looks like the black people in Trinidad find it more important to vote for people of their own skin colour (the PNM), regardless of their obvious corruption and arrogance!!!

    These ridiculous views make a mockery of democracy.

    Big trouble to come in little old Trinidad!!

    Careful Davy Thompson you lookin’ awfully white these days!!

  28. YUM YUM I like it! Avatar
    YUM YUM I like it!

    Yes indeed commiserations to Trinidad on the re-election of the PNM.

    BUT congratulations on becoming a three party state! It was never going to be the election for COP – too early.

    Trinidad is rich just now and may be able to afford the plundering ofthe PNM, but come the next election the COP will be a force to be reckoned with!

    Two viable opposition parties keeping the PNM in line!! Good news for Trini.

    Well done!

    Time for a third way in BIM!!!

    The D’s and B’s are as corrupt as each other!


  29. Jay // Nov 6th 2007 at 12:13 am

    My two cents is simple. Manning will win in a landslide victory.

    CADRES should be shut down, all their polls are incorrect and always WRONG.

    Why do we even bother with them?
    *******************************************

    You should be ashame to print this……..CADRES said the BLP would win the next election !

    75% of the Barbadian electorate knows that CADRES is WRONG !

    Change is coming…..and very SOON !

  30. YUM YUM I like it! Avatar
    YUM YUM I like it!

    Jerome Hinds

    Do the DLP deserve to win an election? OR will they simply get in because people are protesting against the BLP?

    There is no allowing for how the vast number of ordinary people will vote. Remember there is a lot of personality voting in BIM and I doan see a lot of big personalities on the D side!!!

    On their performance so far I hope the B’s win, then maybe people will wake up and smell the coffee.

  31. YUM YUM I like it! Avatar
    YUM YUM I like it!

    In the last sentance I refer to the D’s performance, not the B’s – sorry I did not make that clear.

    ITS EARLY!!


  32. What say you now, David?


  33. What do we say you say? Maybe you have not read our comments above so let us repeat. We think that the PNM bucking the trend of incumbents being booted out is a very reassuring sign for the Arthur administration. We believe that the perception which had started to take root can now disappear. We can all rationalize that the T&T environment is different but at the end of it all perception rules!

    The COP proves Harold Hoyte’s point as well. Good guys finish last in politics. Winston Dookeran by all reports is a respected politician and individual who is respected by Trinidadians across the political divide. He has to wait 5 years and even then there are big doubts about the viability of a third party in the Caribbean. The pundits may tell you that the COP got the 100,000 votes because of UNC voters who are dissatisfied with the leadership mess i.e Panday and the fact that he is an Indian. Whether his party got the support on its own steam is very doubtful.


  34. Manning has won!


  35. //The COP proves Harold Hoyte’s point as well. Good guys finish last in politics;;

    David the pre election polls also had Dookeran as a more popular leader than Manning. Over to you.


  36. mali~let us agree up front that the pollsters all preface their mouthings on the T&T election that there were too many variables which they could not explain. The issue of race, crime, propaganda etc. What we are saying is Dookeran’s popularity as a leader and his inability to convert it to victory even at a personal level is something we wait to have explained. Maybe you can give Peter Wickham a call and feed us his response.


  37. The results of the T&T election does not bode well for the DLP when the people of Barbados is called to the polls. And why do I say this let me explain to the howls of the wolf pack.

    The recent CADRES poll done by Mr.Wickham shows that the PM Owen Arthur is, regarded by the people as more popular than David Thompson. I am not saying this, the Poll as I understood it said this.

    The concern of 40% of the people many who probably do not even vote had ONE CONCERN “The high cost of living in Barbados”. Housing and crime was low on their concern list. What concerns then did the other 60% or so have? Are they happy with the status quo? We don’t know do we?

    Arthur has done what I expected him to do and what I have said now for months, but no one listens. He and his members/addvisers are focusing in the press like yesterday to assure people he is listening and acting on their concerns. Yesterday Arthur and Eastmond both were singing in concert about addressing what? “High food costs”.

    All Arthur and Uncle Tom, Al Gilkes need do is to find a way to show in some meaningful way before the election is called that SOME heavy duty food costs are dropping and the 40% will forget and forgive. Maybe only 20 or 30 % of them vote but it all helps. And herein lies the danger that I have constantly suggested to the DLP, could cost them the election that is within their grasp. And which the DLP camp and “Yardbroom” a credible and respected poster criticizes me for saying.

    Thompson as to lay out his platform in a sincere, genuine and concerned manner and tell the people what he is going to do to address the many problems that are perceived on these blogs as plaguing Barbados, but, which obviously is not shared by the mainstream society as the issues the people want fixed.

    We hear on these blogs a lot about Hardwood, ABC, GEMS, Greenland, Graeme Hall and the list is endless, but none of these things surfaced in the CADRES poll as being a concern of mainstream Barbadians. Why? Were I the PM then why would I worry about them? My focus would be on the high cost of living and even though housing and crime was low priority items for the people according to the poll I would promise that these too will be a priority of mine to fix.

    Thompson cannot continue to sit back until the last minute. He has to take the fight to the BLP and convince the people “Hes de man”.

    Thompson is the unproven Candidate while Arthur has 14 years under his belt. This is a tremendous advantage. Therefore it is obvious Thompson has to prove himself on the hustings and to the public at large and convincingly. I think he could do better in this regard.

    Remember Niro? he fiddled too as Rome burned!

    Whunna all don’t shoot muh at de same time as I es only de messenger! And giving an unbiased opinion of the situation like other poor and humble Barvadians


  38. “In Barbados, Prime Minister Owen Arthur will have an eye on this election result if for no other reason that a PNM defeat will help to feed a public perception that incumbent governments need to be swept from office come hell or high water.”

    Barbados is not Trinidad, FOOL.


  39. We have to wait and see before judging people as fools!


  40. Idjut obviously the Trinidadian voter did not feel that way so why would you and based on what facts believe the Barbadian voter would think as you suggest because of the results in T&T.

    I suggest you rethink that logic!


  41. In another forums someone wrote the following

    “Good News For Owen Arthur – PNM Wins In Trinidad”
    ——–
    “Bad news for Adrian, Jock and the BFP”

    TO WHICH I REPLIED;
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    Why is this bad news for me? I don’t profess to understand the electorial dynamics of Trinidad and Tobago. From the face it i have been unable to match my indepth understanding of the Barbadian political scene to that of Trinidad, which tells me that there is significant difference between the two. This is only good news for the BLP to spin in their world of make belief. This is no more relevant than the leadership talk is irrelevant, in terms of how the ballot paper is presented to a voter. It will be a sad day if Bajans allow the BLP spin machine to successfully sell them on following anything out of trinidad. If we gine vote like them we could as well keep silent on the Trinidad-ization of our corporate sector. 😀

    What i do know about Trinidad is that it is a racially divided country, so when the pundits on the ground there tells me that the ethnic Indo vote was split between the UNC and the COP and that if they had united the PNM would have been outed, is sufficient to convince me that the Trini outcome has no bearing on it’s own on the electorate of Barbados, but just like a product brought to market after a spectacular marketing campaign to sell it on significance that it does not have on it’s own, I expect the BLP to market this PNM win as something that it is not. We will see if Bajans are as smart as they are rumoured to be.
    …..For what it is worth I do not believe that the electorate in neighbouring states are influance by the outcome of election in other states to the point that they will copy hook line and sincker the external voting patterns.

    …..Lets see, now i am voting in St.James Central, the current representative is a never around and when he is, he is aloof and condesending, but the Trinidadians voted in the majority of incumbants so i better do the same. Yeh right.


  42. I think therefore i am. Descarte

    I think and a Trinidadian I am not. Adrian Hinds 😀


  43. This is the most appropriate Post I could find to make these comments. And David I realize there is little relevancy to what I am about to say and the real thrust of THIS Post but so long as it is read and considered then, I think this is the main point I want to accomplish.

    In To-days Nation news Senator Frundel Stuart has in my opinion struck the nail directly on the head and is in line with what I have been saying here on this blog for months. The Senator says the BLP has a secret deal with the “merchant” class.

    As readers of this blog know I have long said that the “Social” Partnership is an unacceptable body for deciding and influencing the road map of Legislation proposed by the Government on any issue impacting the Barbados electorate.

    A duly and Democratically elected Government must show complete impartiality, when it comes to the decision making process in the House of Assembly. To involve such volatile elements as the Trade Union and Private sector groups cast serious suspicion and with good cause as to the impartiality of the decisons and or Legislative changes being proposed and enacted.

    The people, and according to Cadres 40% of the people of Barbados are crying out about the high cost of living. For the Government to consult with the Social Partners on this matter viz a viz price controls as a solution to the problem would be nothing short of a bloody farce. Do you think the Merchants are going to accept lower profits or the Unions lower wages? Give your head a shake!

    Look at what the Minister of Labour said on the public record only a few weeks ago about addressing the issue of illegal workers/aliens. He said that the Government wanted to bring in legislation that “punished” employers who knowingly hired “illegal” workers. BUT, BUT this Legislation could only be passed if the “Social Partners” approved! WHY?

    I asked then and I ask now who was elected to Govern Barbados and make the hard decisions which impact ALL Barbadians. Was it the BLP Government or the Social Partnership?

    When a Democratic Government is not only in bed but under the covers with two of the most influential social and business structures as is the case in Barbados what part of this exercise exudes “impartiality”.

    Both of the factions involved and which they have clearly shown to be the case in just the past six months favour the wealthy and Foreign element of Barbados. Sir. Roy huffed and puffed at the defective steel and Chinese workers being used on the Four Seasons Pagoda, then was called to the BLP inner sanctum and all was forgiven. The Private Sector is far more discreet and they can meet with the PM over a drink at an upscale watering hole or Privately without a soul knowing to make their deals.

    Though I have no proof to support the allegation being advocated by the good Senator is not to say that it is not well founded and because of the relationship between Social Paretnership and the Government believable. The merchants could well do what is needed to lower food and other costs to fool the electorate and as soon as the BLP is back in power reverse that trend! What would or could the electorate do until another election rolled around?

    I suggest that ALL Barbadians on the lower rounds of the ladder look carefully at promises and smoke and mirrors actions by this BLP Government. Because as I suspect the BLP campaign will be filled with trickery and deceit.

    Think carefully about what I am saying. Because Senator Stuart could be on to something.


  44. No Name: Stuart knows of what he speaks. This latest comments is in furtherance to a historical time line he gave of the Barbados planter class and how they have evolved and still exist till this day within the BLP and via such istitutions as that social partnership, chamber of commerce, eomployers federation etc.

    A submittion i made to the Barbados forum back on October 2006

    “All my life i have heard accusations of White shadows in politics, of their exacting influence on the governance of our country above and beyond their numbers and constituentcy and always in the Background. I want to get your thoughts, stories, opinions on these White Shadows, who they are, what actions have they influence, whom they have influence etc. What led me to this, is comments past and present that seem to correlate to planned behaviour rather than happenstance, the latter more likely to indicate, and reflect that white shadows are a more than rumour. I see correlating linkages between Elombe Mottley 2000 article, the actions of Ernest Deighton Mottley chronicled by Dr. Cheltenham, and the comments of Mr. Freundel Stuart as he attempt to lay out the case for a revisitation of classic conservatism in Barbados by the current GoB.

    Elombe Mottley 2000 article
    http://breadfruitlime.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?p=2376#2376

    Papa Motts Legacy
    http://www.barbadosforum.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=378&view=findpost&p=31868

    Fruendel Stuart planter Class timeline
    http://www.dlpbarbados.org/cms/images/stories/media/fs_flashplayer.php?object=Wotton_Stuart112K


  45. The BLP will win it’s 4th term in Government. This I know for sure, last time I checked, we only need 16 seats. We have 19 confirmed and 8 up in the air…..at the moment that is. Now that Arthur has rung the election bell you can rest assured, we will be more prepared to keep the government than the dems will be to fight for it.


  46. Btw, I love the two moutedness of Jerome…first he says manning will lose, now he’s fumbling for words over how he won in grand style…….

    the only change that is coming is to the organisational chart of the DLP lol


  47. Adrian Hinds.

    “White Shadows” You are going back in time and yes there were “White” Shadows, but I am not prepared to name any of them and I will tell you why.

    The “White” Shadow reference came up during the Errol Barrow era. But in spite of the “White” Shadows the Dipper had no problem still looking out for the little people and the masses. Mr. Barrow had rare qualities that are not found in todays politicians.

    Barrow would tell anybody white shadow or not and black people too to go to hell or worse if he had cause. Errol Barrow was as they say a “mans man”. He had a concience, a sense of decency and moral instincts second to none. That does not mean he was faultless. But, but were I a betting man I would lay down my life, that the Dipper was not on the “take” because no one could buy him.

    Todays situation IN MY HUMBLE AND CONSDERED opinion when it comes to “White” shadows is a far more complex situation than in the days of the Dipper. To-day Adrian we have White, Black and even more dangerous, Foreign “Shadows”. All of whom are wealthy, hold big power in Barbados and get their way.

    These people control the BLP like a remote control and I dare say have so much on most of them that they own them. (figuratively speaking in case someone misunderstands my intent)

    Why do you believe that to this day the prosperity of Barbados has only touched the lives of a minimal amount of the population? Why do you believe that 50 or more percent of the population are not drawing wages comparable or keeping up with inflation? Why do you think that certain areas of the island mainly those where the less fortunate live is always without water, flooding, road washouts etc. I am not going on as you get the picture.

    We are told the island has a 4% unemployment rate. Yet Ezzra Alleyne said a month ago or so on the public record that 145,000 Bajans do not draw a pay check. When one looks at the recent bru ha ha concerning tourism statistics who do you believe when it comes to the unemployment rate. If you cannot believe the Central Bank Governor of a Nation, should you believe the Prime Minister and his buffoons? Hello!

    Why is the only General Hospital(QEH) in the island a bloody disgrace and no one gives a shit? And it has been this way for decades. Do you think the average Big Up, Middle class Bajan, Foreigner or most Government members use it? The facility is good enough for the masses like is the roads and water in their areas. But, here is the fallacy of this bullshit that shows you the thinking that goes on in Barbados which is as outdated and reckless as the stastistics put out by the BSS.

    The islands Tourism experts believe for instance that people coming to Barbados are like them uninformed and do not realize that they can research the facilities available in Barbados on the web very accurately. Now tell me, when you have older folk and nuff of these are the ones travelling and got the money but also are more prone to needing expert medical treatment in the event of stroke, hear attack, fractures etc. Do you think they are coming to Barbados with a third rate medical hospital? And here is Odle wanting the wealthy to come. These people are not fools. Adrian Loveridge just said the Sandy Lane and Savannah are among the worse rated on the island. And these are hotels catering to the extremely wealthy. Does that not tell you something about the “mentality” of many Barbadians?

    Where are the 21st century “White, Black and Foreign” shadows in all of this? Who say they support equality, opportunity for all and the right for all to live the dream. And then in the next breath control the Government to serve them only!

    As the boys bout hey say say these fellows is mek nuff mock sport! Adrian wuh you getting my blood pressure up fuh I ent do you nutten!


  48. No name, don’t get caught up on the colour, for it is no longer a anatomical identifying trait. With all the assimilation of other hues and creeds over centuries since slavery white as become a way of life and outlook, so the shadows tho no longer strictly white are none the less more likely to exhibit those unmistakable attitudes of yore. I am still looking for Chris Sinkler Bonaparte State speech which liken today’s Barbados unto the times of Louis the 16th i believe who was recorded as saying i am the state. So to my mind white shadow no longer speaks to a particular looking kind of person but more so to a particular type of behaviour.


  49. Adrian I have to call it like it is and you must get color involved if different colors are involved. Too many people have a hang up on this. You asked me a question am I not entitled to answer it as honestly and truthfully as I can?

    In the Barrow time they were “WHITE” shadows. Today there are both black and white Shadows and Foreigners thrown in what do you expect me to say.

    Are you sensitive to the fact that I am including blacks, because if you are I will make no apology because it is the truth.

    Why do you think that WHITE was used to describe the Shadows back a few decades ago was it only anatomically applicable then? Come on Adrian get with it!


  50. No Name // Nov 6th 2007 at 4:25 pm

    Adrian I have to call it like it is and you must get color involved if different colors are involved.
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    You mean to tell that after i explain what i meant you are still insisting that i meant something else or that i cannot use a word the way i see fit? You are not going to make any headway in this.

    Too many people have a hang up on this.
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    Not my concern, and you are not going to get my help to fight your battle on other people’s hangups.

    You asked me a question am I not entitled to answer it as honestly and truthfully as I can?
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    Of course and you can continue to believe whatever you want, but i thought it necessary to explain what i meant by using and continuing to use the term White Shadows. Your answer to my question suggested that you did not understand how i chose to use the term.

    In the Barrow time they were “WHITE” shadows. Today there are both black and white Shadows and Foreigners thrown in what do you expect me to say.
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    ….and today as far as i am concern i will continue to use the term “White Shadows” to define the same group that you are refering too. I think it is of importance to me that i maintain the historical link to the actions of todays multicoloured WHITE SHADOWS to the actions and persons that led to the birth of the term. We can lose the historical context and Fruendel Staurt will have to continually repeat himself, as the next No name comes along and express amazment at the continuation of the same thing with new faces and different skin colours, as if it never happened before. Voltaire certainly understood this and is probably why he made the comment to the effect that he who cannot make use of 3,000 years of history is living hand to mouth.

    Are you sensitive to the fact that I am including blacks, because if you are I will make no apology because it is the truth.
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    I don’t know that i am sensitive to it, but i am indeed aware that you have included blacks, as i have, for we are watching the same events unfold. Hallam Nicholls, Rodney Wilkinson, David Shorey et all are not exactly white, and yet their behaviour is no different that of a Douglas Lynch, Robin Bynoe, R.L. Seale, etc.

    Why do you think that WHITE was used to describe the Shadows back a few decades ago was it only anatomically applicable then? Come on Adrian get with it!
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    I would have to first determine the context and the author who use the term and if confuse would seek their clarification and be done with it. You are not going to get me to conform to your understanding of my use of the word especially after i have explained my use of it.

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