Sweet Sunday Sermon – The word “Redeem” as found in the New Testament

Submitted by Dr. GP

In the New Testament we see that all people need redemption, since they are all slaves, being all sold under sin and in spiritual bondage. Jesus made this abundantly clear to the Jewish leadership of his day (John 8:31-36).

The Coming of the Redeemer and the accomplishment of Redemption is recorded in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in accordance to the teaching of Galatians 4:4 that in the fullness of time, God sent his son into the world to redeem a people for himself. The Fall of man established man’s desperate need for redemption, and God had carefully and thoroughly prepared the world for the coming of the Redeemer in the balance of the Old Testament.

The four gospels are the inspired eye-witness accounts of the life, death and resurrection of the Saviour. Christ came to reveal the glory of God in human flesh, “the image of the invisible God, pre-eminent over all creation” (Colossians 1:15). He came to proclaim the kingdom of God and teach us about the way of salvation (Matthew 3:2). He came to conquer Satan and to destroy his work (Col. 2:15; I John 3:8). But above all, he came to die for sins and to rise triumphantly from the grave to display his victory. He came to redeem us! (John 3:16,17).

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  • Why so many rail against religion.

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  • K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid

    The only meditation needed for the essence of a presence in spirituality is

    Goodness

    The Goodness in you is your light that shines bright and will be the upliftment to all around you in the battle of good over evil.

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  • David,

    I bet they never considered that it may be their husbands who are sterile.

    Women literally under the feet of men. And those religions that no longer promote it literally do so figuratively.

    That is why I never swallowed even Christianity whole. It always scrawled my skin like a chalkboard screech.

    No matter what book you throw at me you cannot undo what I know instinctively. No man or woman can tell me my place! Just as no white person can convince me of my inferiority.

    Pure instinct. Racist white people and sexist men can bugger off!

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  • @Donna

    The exact thought that provoked the posting.

    Man made religion, what a thing!

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  • What EXACTLY has any of the rubbish posted above have to do with the concept of Redemption as presented in the NT?
    WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INTELLIGENT AND WELL EDUCATED PEOPLE, I AM TOLD.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ GP at 10 :15 AM

    Perhaps you could have avoided the low attention span of the posters had you paused to explain :
    What you understand/ mean by redemption?
    Who was sold and to whom in the first place?
    Why the need to pay ransom.?
    The initial salvo on religion relates to its apparent conflict with the current state of scientific knowledge or what is described as science.
    @ David BU
    All things are human contrivances. They are mainly Human attempts to grasp reality. They are alternate realities ,as your mission here on BU has revealed.

    Just a start to get the ball rolling.
    All vituperation will be ignored. Rabbit holes and gutter sniping will earn no responses from me.

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  • @Vincent

    The blogmaster has learned hat almost if not everything there is interdependence. Discussing matters in a vacuum is a mere academic exercise.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    I do understand your take on these matters. I agree that context matters. The upload re the African understanding of Christianity is a good example of this group’s attempt to interpret Christianity within their traditional Belief System. It is a synthesis similar to Haitian Voodu(n).

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  • @ Donna November 22, 2020 8:31 AM
    “That is why I never swallowed even Christianity whole. It always scrawled my skin like a chalkboard screech.
    No matter what book you throw at me you cannot undo what I know instinctively. No man or woman can tell me my place! Just as no white person can convince me of my inferiority.
    Pure instinct. Racist white people and sexist men can bugger off!”
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    On every occasion you see the light exposing the other ‘evil’ side of man-made religion so too, on every day, you will be branded an apostate by the likes of the two GPs and possibly VC, the doubting Thomas.

    Glad to see that you can now ‘understand’ that most man-made religions are deliberately misogynistic in their practice.

    That’s why Christianity is built and promoted on the influence of the biblical characters of 12 male disciples and Paul; and not on the role of Mary Magdalene.

    But don’t worry since karma is a bitch in disguise in the form of Mary (a human female) being the mother of God.

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  • Vincent
    With all due respect “the low attention span of BU posters” seems to be a CHARACTERISTIC MALADY.

    So far your questions below is the only reasonable, sensible and appropriate response, and I will answer them later perhaps, although I probably did last week, as I have done most surely again this week despite the fact that religious Bajans should know the answers to these basic questions, the answers to which I certainly learned as a teen.

    What you understand/ mean by redemption?
    Who was sold and to whom in the first place?
    Why the need to pay ransom.?

    re The initial salvo on religion relates to its apparent conflict with the current state of scientific knowledge or what is described as science.

    I do not come here to speak about religion, I seek only to share basic Bible information. I do not care about religion or religions

    I do not care if the Archbishop of Canterbury has gone on sabatical, or if he got conkies this year.

    the Archbishop of Canterbury cannot effect my redemption or that of anyone in this world, and that can not be refuted.

    The religious practices of folk here, there or anywhere has nothing to do with the concept of redemption.

    “Discussing matters in a vacuum is a mere academic exercise” is an excuse for ignorance, pure and simple, for someone who can not comment appropriately on a simple concept that little children who attend Bible teaching churches and Sunday schools in Barbados can converse on competently..

    The rubbish permitted above is actually the intervention of Satan and his surrogates and assigns to derail a perfect presentation on the subject. Persons who can not participate or who have not read the piece should just go on by. They need not display their ignorance or submit to the dictates and designs of their daddy the devil.

    If there are two things I know it is my Bible and my Medicine………because I have taken the time to study both.

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  • re most man-made religions are deliberately misogynistic in their practice.

    Rubbish of course! All through the ages “religions” have been dominated by sexual perversions in which female priests have dominated. Read the accounts in the Bible about Caannite and other worship for an example

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  • re The initial salvo on religion relates to its apparent conflict with the current state of scientific knowledge or what is described as science.

    WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE BIBLE?
    WHEREAS THE BIBLE IS NOT A TEXT OF SCIENCE, EVERY SCIENTIFIC STATEMENT THEREIN IS ACCURATE

    ON BU IT IS CHARACTERISTIC FOR FOLK TO PONTIFICATE ON ALL MATTERS ABOUT WHICH THEY KNOW NAUGHT
    WHAT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME IS THAT MOST OF YOU HEAR KNOW VERY LITTLE BIBLE OR LITTLE SCIENCE

    IN SUCH CASES ASK APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS. BUT DONT LET EITHER Satan and his surrogates and assigns derail a perfect presentation on EVERY subject POSTED ON SSS

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  • TWO OTHER MORONS AND SONS OF SATAN TO MAKE THEIR APPEARANCE NOW
    IT WILL BE HILARIOUS……..AS USUAL ………AND SAD SIMULTANEOUSLY

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  • @ GP November 22, 2020 11:24 AM
    “re most man-made religions are deliberately misogynistic in their practice.

    Rubbish of course! All through the ages “religions” have been dominated by sexual perversions in which female priests have dominated. Read the accounts in the Bible about Caannite and other worship for an example..”
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    We are glad to see that you have the intellectual decency to recognize the existence and role of “religions” other than your Judeo-Christian Johnny-come-lately brand of mumbo jumbo.

    As for your bullshit attempt to conflate science with your Biblical hogwash of a 6-day creation of the universe and man-made miracles, we can only say:

    Where is the apology from your ‘kennel’ of jackasses who deliberately slaughtered many humans (in the name of some mock god called Yahweh) simply because they were brave enough to innocently and accurately tell the Truth that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

    Your track record of Christian fundamentalism certainly does not allow you to have a show place in the gallery Science aka knowledge.

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  • How many times will I have to tell the Miller that I ALWAYS saw the misogyny, questioned it and had it placed in its context before I ever joined up?????

    The Bible is a collection of writings from a certain place and in a certain time. I do not believe those who wrote it had a totally clear picture of God. I believe their biases are deeply embedded throughout the book.

    I don’t give two hoots what GP calls me. He is not God and therefore not the be all and the end all.

    I also see that you have not been paying attention to VC’s take on Christianity or you would not have said what you did.

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  • Sexual perversions and female priests. Hmmmmm…..

    I have no intention of asking any questions or participating in any discussion. I have no interest whatsoever in disecting the Bible any further. Just responding to the atrocity posted by the BLOGMASTER.

    OUT!

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  • THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT ITS ORIGINS
    I HAVE BELIEVED THIS FOR OVER 50 YEARS

    19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
    20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    AND
    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    I HAVE PERSONALLY FOUND THE BIBLE TO BE THE ONLY AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND PRACTICE……..NOT MY CHURCH GROUP OR THE ELDERS OR ANYONE ELSE

    THE BIBLE ASKS US IN 2 TIMOTHY 2:15 TO
    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    I HAVE DONE THAT WELL AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN ANY COMPANY OF BIBLE TEACHERS OR BELIEVERS WHERE I HAVE NOT BEEN WELL RECIEVED, DESPITE WHAT I EXPERIENCE ON BU

    THE BIBLE ASKS US ALSO IN 2 TIMOTHY 2:16 TO
    shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
    AS CLEARLY IS THE CASE ON BU

    I OFFERED TO WRITE SOMETHING ON SUNDAYS THAT IS BIBLE BASED, AND I HAVE SO FAITHFULLY SINCE OCTOBER 23RD 2019, AND WILL DO SO AS LONG AS I AM ALLOWED, BECAUSE AS WRITTEN IN I CORINTHIANS 4:2
    Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
    AND IN 1 CORINTHIANS 15:58
    Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

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  • Am I a Soldier of the Cross?

    The Blood

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  • SORRY I QUOTED 2 PETER 1:19-21 & 2 TIMOTHY 3:16-17 ABOVE WITHOUT GIVING THE REFERENCES

    THESE VERSES HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED THE PROOF TEXTS ON THE BIBLICAL CONCEPT OF THE PLENARY VERBAL INSPIRATION OF THE BIBLE BY SANE SOUND SERIOUS BIBLE SCHOLARS

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  • For as long as mankind exisit there will be the arguments based on whether there should be a literal interpretation of the bible or not. So there we go.

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  • HERE IS A COMPENDIUM OF REDEMPTION SONGS ONCE USED IN THREE BAPTIST CHURCHES IN BARBADOS AND IN ALL PLYMOUTH BRETHREN ASSEMBLIES IN THE ENGLISH SPEAKING CARRIBEAN

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  • For as long as mankind exisit there will be the arguments based on whether there should be a literal interpretation of the bible or not AMONG BIBLE ILLITERATES ONLY
    I HAVE READ WIDELY THE WRITINGS OF MEN CONSIDERED TOBE GREAT EXPOSITORS OF THE WORD, OVER THE LAST 52 YEARS AND HAVE NOT HEARD SUCH PUTRID PITHY PUERILE PABLUM!

    SANE SOUND SERIOUS STUDENTS OF THE SCRIPTURE (NOT BIBLE ILLITERATES) SARCH THE SCRIPTURES LIKE THE SAINTS AT BEREA AS RECORDED IN ACTS 17:11-21, THEY FOLLOW THE PRESCRIPTION FOR RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD AS CLEARLY PRESENTED IN NEHEMIAH 8

    SUCH SCHOARS WHEN DISAGRREING ON A TEXT GIVE SERIOUS EXPLANATIONS FROM THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF HEBREW AND GREEK. THEY DONT GO TO INCOHERENT PABLUM AS IS THE NORM ON BU WHERE FOLK OBVIOUSLY DONT KNOW AND DONT KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW, AND SEEK TO JUSTIFY THIER IGNORANCE BY PUTRID PUSTULAR PABLUM .

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  • WHY SHOULD THE BIBLE NOT BE INTERPRETED AS OTHER LITTERATURE IS”
    WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EASILY UNDERSTOOD WHY NOT ASK SENSIBLE QUESTIONS OR READ PROPER LITERATURE THEREON
    E.G IN JOHN 10 JESUS SAID TO THE JEWS I AM THE DOOR AND I AM THE DOOR OF THE SHEEPFOLD
    HIS LISTENERS UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANT

    WHEN IN HEBRES 6 PAUL SAID 19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. HIS PRIMARY AUDIENCE KNEW WHAT A FORE RUNNER WAS AND UNDERSTOOD WHAT SUCH A PERSON DID WITH THE ANCHOR, WHEN A SHIP WAS BROUGHT TO THE SHALLOW PORTS OF THAT DAY

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  • Man, you read one set of scholars that fit in with your view. There are other scholars of different denominations who have studied just like yours.

    Steupse!

    But hey, I only came here to show my son the atrocious video.

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  • Man, you read one set of scholars that fit in with your view. There are other scholars of different denominations who have studied just like yours.

    RUBBISH! I HAVE READ AND LISTENED TO SCHOLARS OF ALL DENOMINATIONS

    MOST OF THE TIME IN YOUR READINGS YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE DENOMINATIONAL PERSUASION OF AN AUTHOR
    ONE’S INDWELLING TUTOR THE HOLY SPIRIT (C.F 1 jOHN 2:20 &27) REVEALS WHO IS SPEAKING TRUTH OR SPEWING COW’S WALLOP EVEN IN YOUR OWN CHURCH GROUP OR EVEN IN THE ASSEMBLY YOU ATTEND

    I HAVE FOUND THAT ALL SOLID SANE SERIOUS SINCERE STUDENTS OF THE SCRIPTURES OF ALL DENOMINATIONS WHO HAVE SOUGHT TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH TEACH SOUNDLY AND SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THE SAME SCRIPTURES

    FOR EXAMPLE THE BARCLAYS ARE ANGLICANS.

    MCGEE WAS PRESBYTERIAN

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  • NONE OF THE RUBBISH ENUNCIATED BY THE DEVILS AGENTS ON SSS WEEKLY WILL HELP ANYONE TO LIVE THE CHRISTIAN LIFE OR UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE

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  • @ Donna November 22, 2020 12:16 PM
    “I also see that you have not been paying attention to VC’s take on Christianity or you would not have said what you did.”
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    Then VC should make it known if he actually believes that the words written in the Judeo-Christian book called the Bible are the actual words and instructions of the ‘God’ he believes in.

    In other words is he a ‘black-or-white’ believer like GP in the immutable ‘Word’ as written in the KJV biblical text or a ‘whatever-goes’ Xtian libertarian, like yourself?

    The challenge with the concept that the Word of the One and True Living God can be found Only in the Judeo-Christian bible is that it automatically disqualifies over half of the planet’s population from Redemption (through Jesus) and a place in heaven (to be with God) making it not only misogynistic but also downright jingoistic and racist.

    So here is my position: Like the Egyptian Moses in the Bible I am a monotheist believing in the One Light that controls the planet Earth. A light that can be seen manifested in kaleidoscopic core of all the religions and faiths of this world.

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  • RE So here is my position: Like the Egyptian Moses in the Bible I am a monotheist believing in the One Light that controls the planet Earth. A light that can be seen manifested in kaleidoscopic core of all the religions and faiths of this world.

    YOUR DADDY THE DEVIL REALLY CONTROLS YOU. LIGHT INDEED
    WE KNOW THAT SATAN”S NAME WAS LIGHT BEARING IS IT NOT? WHAT DOES LUCIFER MEAN?

    The challenge with the concept that the Word of the One and True Living God can be found Only in the Judeo-Christian bible is that it automatically disqualifies over half of the planet’s population from Redemption (through Jesus) and a place in heaven (to be with God) making it not only misogynistic but also downright jingoistic and racist.

    YOUR RUBBISH IS CONTRADICTED BY BASIC BIBLE VERSES SUCH AS JOHN 14:6,
    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
    ACTS 4:12
    Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
    AND
    1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

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  • Only scholars know how to find the truth, the ignorant will sink in their ignorance.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Miller at 2:26 PM

    You are not grinding the grain sufficiently fine these days. I think it is about time we take away your milling license.
    VC is not on a mission to convert anyone to Christianity. A sentence in the Book of Acts says “”And they each heard the good news in their own language”. I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit will speak to you in your own language in the fullness of time,if She / He has not already done so. Like Donna , I suggest you continue to read widely and study with an open mind and wait upon your God.

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  • @Vincent

    When Miller encounters his Damascene moment the heavens will sure to open up LOL

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  • Only scholars know how to find the truth, the ignorant will sink in their ignorance.

    MORE RUBBISH!

    ALL SCHOLARS STARTED OFF IN IGNORANCE BUT THEY DID NO REMAIN IN THEIR IGNORANCE
    THEY STUDIED NO MATTER WHAT DISCIPLINE THEY ARE IN

    SCHOLARS SEARCH FOR TRUTH. THEY DONT EXPECT IT TO COME BY OSMOSIS THROUGH THE AIR

    YOUNG BELIEVERS AND NEW CONVERTS LEARN HOW TO FIND THE TRUTH AND THEY OBEY THE PRINCIPLE IN I PETER 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

    NOTE IT IS IMPERATIVE TO SEE THAT THE VERB, desire, IN THAT VERSE IS IN THE IMPERATIVE

    the ignorant will sink in their ignorance. BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO IMBIBE THE MILK OF WHAT EVER DISCIPLINE WHETHER BIBLE OR MEDICINE OR WHAT EVER

    VINCENT
    YOUR ARE CLEARLY MIS APPLYING THE sentence in the Book of Acts THAT says “”And they each heard the good news in their own language”. THIS VERSE IS VERY CLEAR. IT MEANS JUST WHAT IT SAYS they each heard the good news in their own language
    THE HELLENISTIC JEWS FROM THE DIASPORA WHO HAD COME UP FOR THE FEAST ALL HEARD PETER’S SERMON IN THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY SPOKE TO WHICH THEY WERE DISPERSED IN THE ASSYRIAN AND BABYLONIAN CAPTIVITIES
    THIS EVENT WAS OBVIOUSLY A MIRACLE

    I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit will speak to you in your own language in the fullness of time
    YOU SEEM NOT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE DOCTRINE OF ELECTION AND PREDESTINATION

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 3 :02 PM

    Even that, I do not know. “God moves in a mysterious way ,His wonders to perform”. One cannot presume in these matters . One just hopes and has faith.

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  • @ Vincent Codrington November 22, 2020 3:11 PM

    Why are you playing the man miller instead of the ball?

    He has already told you in which ‘God’ he believes. In other words he has received Salvation from the darkness of ignorance and propagandistic stupidity.

    The question still remains for the sake of clarity:
    Do you accept the writings in your Bible as the unchanging word of God or according to your understanding of Holy Spirit (in which ever manifestation it presents itself or which ever light it is perceived)?

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  • THE PAGES OF BU ARE PREGNANT WITH VERY GOOD BIBLE TEACHING ——BETTER THAN EVEN IN MOST BIBLE TEACHING CHURCHES BY THE LATE CARLOS AKA ZOE AND MYSELF

    IT CONTINUES TO BE SPURNED AND SCOFFED AT, BUT ONE MUST OBEY I COR 4:2 AND I COR 15:58

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  • @ GP November 22, 2020 3:34 PM

    Any book which from the outset claims -in the most dogmatic pigheaded fashion-that the planet Earth and the rest of the Universe were made or completed in six days despite all the ‘scientific evidence to the contrary must be “SPURNED AND SCOFFED AT” until the end of Time.

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  • RE Any book which from the outset claims -in the most dogmatic pigheaded fashion-that the planet Earth and the rest of the Universe were made or completed in six days despite all the ‘scientific evidence to the contrary must be “SPURNED AND SCOFFED AT” until the end of Time.
    WHAT IS THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT DISCREDITS THE GENESIS NARRATIVE OF CREATION?
    PLEASE SHARE IT SIR
    GO GET THE EVIDENCE FROM YOUR DADDY AND COME BACK
    DO YOU KNOW THAT THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE THE WORD AND TREMBLE?

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Miller at 3:30 Pm
    Sincerest apology for “playing the man Miller”. Shall we all return to the discussion of “redeem” as found in the New Testament?

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  • GP
    How should we pray? Is it a good practice to ask God for health, safety, successful children whatever? There are things I want and pray for them and there are things God wants and the the two sets may not be same. I have been advised to follow Philippians 4 but I wonder if I have gotten it wrong.

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  • @ GP November 22, 2020 4:36 PM

    To use one of your favourite retorts when you are corned with irrefutable evidence proving your bible to be a concoction of plagiarized myths and legends and indeed childlike stories about fairytales.

    “A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the backs of fools!”

    If you, a fool, can’t see the truth in all the evidence around you in the billions of stars and millions of galaxies then convincing you with blinding science is like trying to get Mariposa to cuss the DLP.

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  • blacks before being forced to leave their homeland Africa had their own beliefs and custom formulated centred and defined by practices which they adhere to and attributed to spirituality and their idea of who was their God
    Blacks after leaving Africa had to adjust and adopt to a new spirituality with in the European way of thinking
    For what it is worth the African blacks could not have known of the God which is described in the bible
    Unable to read or write when in slavery the idea or concept of a White God was taught to them and passed down from generation to generation
    The mystery of God would continue to be a source of controversy because of mankind deception and the inability to speak the truth
    Miller is right the time period of creation is man ‘s way of hiding truth all clothed in illogical concepts or deity
    Firstly the bible says day and night was the first day how was time measured should be the logical starting point to have a rationale discussion on how long did it take for God to create the heavens and the earth
    Absent of such facts of the measurement of time during the earliest years when God created the earth the obvious answer would be no one knows

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  • Oh Miller you are wrong good friends doesn’t air their dirty laundry in public.. ref to Mariposa not cussing the dlp

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  • Ping PongNovember 22, 2020 4:42 PM

    GP
    How should we pray? Is it a good practice to ask God for health, safety, successful children whatever? YES INDEED!

    There are things I want and pray for them and there are things God wants and the the two sets may not be same. THIS IS TRUE. BECAUSE ALL THE THINGS WE WANT MAY NOT BE GOD’S WILL FOR OUR LIVES,

    AND YES WE OFTEN WONDER, AND EVEN COMPLAIN NATURALLY ABOUT NOT HAVING THE THINGS WE WANT

    IF YOU DO YOU ARE NOT ABNORMAL. REMEMBER THAT PAUL WENT TO THE LORD IN A BIG WAY ABOUT THE THORN IN HIS FLESH.

    RE I have been advised to follow Philippians 4 but I wonder if I have gotten it wrong.
    IF YOU ARE REFERRING TO VERSES 6-7 THAT IS GOOD ADVICE. YOU CANT GO WRONG THERE. I HAVE PERSONALLY FOUND THAT THE MORE I SEEK TO BE THANKFUL, THE MORE I EXPERIENCE THE PEACE OF GOD THAT PASSES UNDERSTANDING

    CONSIDER THAT THE CLOSER YOU GET TO GOD THE MORE YOU WILL BE TESTED AS JOB WAS, BUT REMEMBER I CORINTHIANS 1:1O :13 AND I JOHN 5.4-5. HE WILL HELP YOU TO OVERCOME ALL YOUR TESTINGS

    WHEN YOU FAIL OR FALL OR FALTER IN YOUR FAITH JUST PONDER JUDE 24
    HE WILL PREVENT US FROM FALLING (and not getting back up) and
    HE WILL PRESENT US AS FAULTLESS (as unbelievable as that sounds)

    JUST KEEP ON KEEPING ON IN THE COMFORT OF THE PROMISE OF PHILIPPIANS 1;6

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  • RE If you, a fool, can’t see the truth in all the evidence around you in the billions of stars and millions of galaxies
    YES INDEED GENESIS 1:16 SAYS THIS And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”

    NOW ISNT THAT SOMETHING?
    SEEMS THE WAY THAT THE END OF THAT VERSE IS RECORDED THAT GOD MADE THE THINGS YOU ARE RANTING ABOUT AS AN AFTER THOUGHT. SEEMS MAKING the billions of stars and millions of galaxies WAS NO BIG THING TO GOD

    YOU EITHER BELIEVE THE GENESIS RECORD BY FAITH OR YOU DONT
    I JUST ENJOY BELIEVING IT AND MILLIONS OF FOLK DO TOO

    I BELIEVE THAT PSALM 14:1 IS TRUE WITH RESPECT TO THOSE OF YOUR ILK

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  • @ GP November 22, 2020 5:35 PM
    “YES INDEED GENESIS 1:16 SAYS THIS And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There you go, again, regurgitating a load of unscientific cow crap of mythical proportion.

    There is No “lesser light” in the night sky. Only the reflection of the Sun on Earth’s satellite called Selene.

    Have you ever thought of the possibility that there maybe many other Adams & Eves in the form of GPs of similar beliefs some where out there on the zillions of planets created by the same Yahweh in 1 day?

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  • Q Have you ever thought of the possibility that there maybe many other Adams & Eves in the form of GPs of similar beliefs some where out there on the zillions of planets created by the same Yahweh in 1 day?
    A NO BUT I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE MANY SIBLINS WHO ARE THE CHILDREN OF YOUR DADDY THE DEVIL AS JESUS TAUGHT IN JOHNN 8:44

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  • Maybe Georgie Porgie punning pudding n’ pie should take a sabbatical for spiritual renewal like the archbishop of canterbury

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  • Concepts and the understanding of “who is God” has been on going from the beginning of time
    The concepts have varied within differing races ages and periods of time
    The bible has introduced and shown the references ideas and concepts and methods man has used in their quest to find God
    Only modern man has used illogical terminology in their quest of finding and presenting God
    Jesus when asked about God never gave a physical description but spoke in parables and spiritual terminology when asked of him as to who is God
    One of my favourite parables and one which would bring a person to a closer understanding of God is the parable of the true vine
    Also Jesus teachings of the fruits of the spirit clear and precise teachings with wholesome understanding of who God is
    The roots of spiritual understanding are all found in the teachings of Jesus and are the keys to unlocking the mystery of God
    All other religious babble clothed in theories laced with a rabid thirst to indoctrinate the mind makes for great tabloid story telling or folklore

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  • SWEET SUNDAY SERMON – OLD TESTAMENT REDEEM

    SWEET SUNDAY SERMON – THE WORD “REDEEM” AS FOUND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

    Last week, this week.

    Old Testament, New Testament

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  • How to pray
    Jesus disciples asked Jesus to teach them how to pray
    Jesus exemplified by teaching them the Lords Pray
    Once again religious babblers have invented their own version of pray
    One invention is speaking in illiterate verbosity which they called speaking in tongues
    Jesus example was straight forward and used his native language to demonstrate to his disciple a simple and easy way of talking to God
    Hence the bible records the pray as The Lords pray which begins as Our Fathet
    Today in many mainstream evangelical churches the Lords pray is never said
    Instead versions of prays that asked of worldly things is uttered from many of the religious babblers mouths

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  • @4:42 a.m.
    Someone beat me to it.

    “Johnson J@DuhartKimberlie
    ·
    14h
    Replying to
    @thedailybeast
    I think someone has to much time on their hands and crazy thinking”

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  • BU Fambily

    Old School Jams

    Strictly For Lovers

    As mentioned in the titles above, this selection is for LOVERS ONLY for those who have got soul.

    If you do not have love in your soul then please scroll past and disregard this posting.

    I wanna get next to you

    (off the record I am concerned old georgie porgie pudding and pie is cracking up and having a meltdown and going full on mad, beyond his usual batshit craziness. I propose we hold a family intervention to seek medical advice from a head doctor, who I believe will need to put him on the crazy list forthwith).

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  • Mariposa

    Blacks could learn their letters but were hanged if caught as they could write their own papers for freedom.
    Anybody can pray to God and Universe for anything they desire to manifest and will be granted their wish by the Spiritual Embassy up above if they ask and pray in the correct way as we are all Citizens of the Universe and Heaven and God wants to serve you and protect his/her people. If you want money you have to pray to Mother Earth instead, as riches like diamonds gold metals come from the ground.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Mariposa at 6:08 AM

    Very true. It is a model prayer which we as Christians should use. Like you , I am appalled by the Gimme Gimme forms of prayers we hear coming from many Christian denominations.

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  • Vincent

    My gimme list consists mainly of intangibles. I pray for strength to handle whatever comes my way and greater understanding and discernment.

    So far so good!

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ Donna at 10 :15 AM

    So are mine . The prayers for the intangibles ,when answered give me the power to go get the tangibles for my self. Better still they open my eyes to see the tangibles that God has already provided.

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  • BY THE WAY THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT WE ARE TO PRAY ABOUT BOTH TANGIBLES AND INTANGIBLES

    JESUS HIMSELF TAUGHT THIS IN THE GOSPELS

    Here is a proper Pauline prayer from Philippians 3:8-14 for serious meditaion.

    8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

    9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

    10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

    11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

    12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

    13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

    14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

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  • @ GP November 23, 2020 11:00 AM

    Now how should the Jews pray?

    The prayer/blessing according to Aaron as instructed by Moses?

    Or the Lord’s prayer according to Jesus as narrated by Matthew?

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  • My comment is in reference to jesus teachings upon which Christians adhere in principal
    The jews have the Torah which would be a guide in teaching them how to pray
    Please note the Lord’s Pray invokes the Name Father reference to God
    However what ever pathway the jews choose to pray most likely the Name God would be include as reverence and respect
    Jesus being of the jewish faith the reference of Father /God would be one of the same as the jews

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  • My pray consist of three things
    Health strength and Knowledge
    So far all three has worked to my advantage
    Thank u Heavenly Father

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  • @ Mariposa November 23, 2020 1:45 PM

    Do you understand that Jesus was preaching to his fellow Jews and not Xtians?

    Christianity is nothing more than an offshoot of a bastard cult of Judaism and married to Paganism.

    How then should the Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists et al pray other than along the same lines which ask for those same three things you yourself ‘demand’ of God.

    Very good of you Ms Mariposa!
    Your ‘fowl’ plumage is starting to really shine since you left that dirty blue inner circle in the yellow painted yard.

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  • GP
    Doing the recommended reading. Thanks

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  • Miller in a perfect and ideal world all would be practicing the same Faith and religion
    The breakdown between the jewish faith and christianity started when Paul stuck his big nose into both religions and he was seen as neither fish or fowl amongst the jewish leaders
    Paul preserved and along the way he brought his new age style of religion trying to mix Judaism and his new style of religious beliefs
    for the the gentiles
    Nothing is new under the sun as mankind grows more in knowledge things which were accepted becomes old and discarded whereby religion is not exempted and along those lines newer religions and religious beliefs are formed

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  • God’s richest blessings Ping Pong

    re The breakdown between the jewish faith and christianity started when Paul stuck his big nose into both religions and he was seen as neither fish or fowl amongst the jewish leaders
    Paul preserved and along the way he brought his new age style of religion trying to mix Judaism and his new style of religious beliefs
    for the the gentiles
    CLEARLY THIS RUBBISH INDICATES A TOTAL IGNORANCE AND LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE BOOK OF HEBREWS

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  • The book of HEbrews is not tye only book written about Paul
    Instead of being a know it all basing all your reasonings on the bible go do research for unbiased and profound reasoning

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  • There are several sides to a picture reading one side and espousing full knowledge of all details from that side as accurate is tantamount to being guided by Tunnel vision
    Present day history is proof of that
    There are other stories about Paul that exposed his good side and his bad sides
    Mankind is subject to failures and Paul was no exception

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  • BIBLE ILLITERATE
    WHEN YOU DISCUSSING BIBLE ISSUES OR MATER OF FAITH BELIEVERS DONT JUST TALK TRASH, THEY SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES LIKE THE SAINTS AT BEREA DESCRIBED IN ACTS 17

    IF YOU WANT TO TAKLK ABOUT MIXING JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY EVEN SUNDAY SCHOOL CHILDREN IN GOOD BIBLE TEACHING CHURCHES KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO STUDY HEBREWS.
    I AM NOT ASKING YOU…I AM TELLING YOU

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  • Never had to pray for daily bread. It just showed up.

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  • @ Mariposa November 23, 2020 5:22 PM
    “Nothing is new under the sun as mankind grows more in knowledge things which were accepted becomes old and discarded whereby religion is not exempted and along those lines newer religions and religious beliefs are formed…”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The above is one of the most profound and intellectually stimulating comments ever made on any blog discussing matters of religion.

    There is clearly more to you, Mariposa, than the loyal yardfowl with a plumage adorn mainly with politically tired blue and yellow feathers.

    And your concise thesis cannot be refuted simply because it is objectively backed by a ‘supporting’ body of anthropological, sociological and historical evidence.

    One only has to visit the graveyard for man-made religions to verify that there is Nothing new or old under the Sun that does not appear and then disappear with the ‘advent’ of Time.

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  • MariposaNovember 23, 2020 6:25 PM

    The book of HEbrews is not tye only book written about Paul

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    I always assumed Paul wrote The Epistle to the Hebrews.

    For what its worth:

    “The Epistle to the Hebrews of the Christian Bible is one of the New Testament books whose canonicity was disputed. Traditionally, Paul the Apostle was thought to be the author. However, since the third century this has been questioned, and the consensus among most modern scholars is that the author is unknown.”

    There are many Epistles written by Paul so I assumed the Epistle to the Hebrews was also written by him.

    No one seems to know according to google.

    https://overviewbible.com/pauline-epistles/

    Who were the Hebrews?

    Weren’t they Christians in one of the many churches to whom Paul wrote?

    eg. Corinthians (Church at Corinth), Ephesians (Church at Ephesus), Philippians (Church at Philippi), Romans (Church at Rome) etc. etc.

    Where did the Hebrews live?

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  • From what I remember of my Divinity classes in second form when we did The Acts of the Apostles, these were Christian Churches founded by them as they traveled through Greece and Asia Minor spreading the Word.

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  • @ GPNovember 23, 2020 7:43 PM
    “IF YOU WANT TO TAKLK ABOUT MIXING JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY EVEN SUNDAY SCHOOL CHILDREN IN GOOD BIBLE TEACHING CHURCHES KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO STUDY HEBREWS.
    I AM NOT ASKING YOU…I AM TELLING YOU”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yet you, still, cannot tell us why the Jews (to whom the book of Hebrew is directed) do not recognize or accept your Christian-invented Jesus as their Lord and Messiah.

    Even those little children in the kibbutz and in the synagogue- learning their Torah like your Sunday school Christian children reading the fables- are not taught about the Jesus who saw them as the apple of his Sky Father’s eye.

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  • Paul came after the first Apostles and ended up in Rome where he was put to death.

    Getting rusty in my old age, memory just not like it used to be.

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  • how paul corrupted the jewish religion

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  • MillerNovember 23, 2020 8:30 PM

    Yet you, still, cannot tell us why the Jews (to whom the book of Hebrew is directed) …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “Scholars believe it was written for Jewish Christians who lived in Jerusalem. Its purpose was to exhort Christians to persevere in the face of persecution.”

    You are obviously not a Scholar.

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  • Paul’s letter to the Romans was written to Roman Christians who lived in Rome.

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  • Paul’s letter to the Corinthians was written to Greek Christians who lived in Corinth.

    Paul’s letter to the Ephesians was written to Ephesian Christians who lived in Ephesus.

    Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians was written to Thessalonian Christians who lived in Thessalonica.

    It so happened that Jews happened to live in Jerusalem as well as Jewish Christians.

    Jewish Christians were Jews who had become Christians.

    Greek Christians were Greeks who became Greek Christians.

    The Word is for all mankind, Jew and Gentile.

    Get it?

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  • JOHN
    THE HEBREWS WERE JEWISH BELIEVERS WHO WERE CONSIDERING REVERTING TO JUDAISM
    THE AUTHOR WROTE TO PERSUADE THEM AGAINST DOING SO
    THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE TEACHING OF HEBREWS

    HERE IS AN OUTLINE ON HEBREWS BY ONE OF THE STALWARTS OF THE FAITH

    I. Christ better than Old Testament economy, Chapters 1 — 10

    A. Christ is superior to prophets, Chapter 1:1-3

    B. Christ is superior to angels, Chapters 1:4 — 2:18

    C. Christ is superior to Moses, Chapters 3:1 — 4:2

    D. Christ is superior to Joshua, Chapter 4:3-13

    E. Christ is superior to the Levitical priesthood, Chapters 4:14 — 7:28

    F. Christ as our High Priest ministers in superior sanctuary by better covenant built upon better promises, Chapters 8 — 10

    HEBREWS TEACHES THAT CHRIST THE AUTHOR OF CHRISTIANITY IS SUPERIOR TO ALL THE MAJOR THINGS AND PEOPLE THAT CHARACTERIZED JUDAISM

    NOTE THAT THE CHURCH STARTED AT JERUSALEM, AND AS ORDERED BY JESUS IN ACTS 1:8, THE CHURCH EXPANDED
    But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

    IF YOU READ ACTS PROPERLY, YOU WILL SEE THAT PAUL ON HIS MISSIONARY JOURNEYS PREACHED TO THE JEWS FIRST. BUT MANY JEWS WERE CONVERTED
    UNTIL THIS DAY THEY ARE JEWISH BELIEVERS
    THE FINAL CONVERSION OF JEWS AT THE SECOND COMING IS ADDRESSED IN ROMANS 9-11 AND ALL OF THE PROPHETIC SCRIPTURES EXCEPT JONAH AND THE PSALMS

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  • @ John November 23, 2020 9:05 PM

    What do you mean by Jewish Christians? Isn’t that a paradox?

    Are the Jews of a separate ethnicity to Christians?

    Isn’t being Jewish a religious label like being a Christian or Muslim of Hindu?

    Can the blacks of Ethiopia be considered Jewish-Christians too?

    Can we therefore have Jewish-Muslims living in Jerusalem today?

    Neither GP nor you can explain why the same Jews, after 2,000 solar years, still do not recognize your Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah even though the idling and hiding in the White House Trump does see your Lord Master Jesus as the head of the white supremacist of the “Make America Great (Again)” bandwagon?

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  • HERE IS ANOTHER STALWART – JAMES GREY ON HEBREWS
    Christianity is superior to Judaism as seen in its Founder, CHRIST.
    The tempter is represented as urging that:
    – Judaism was introduced to the world by “the goodly fellowship of the prophets”! “Christ is
    superior to the prophets!”
    – Judaism was ministered to Israel through angels. “Christ is superior to the angels”!
    – Judaism owes its position to that mighty man, Moses. “But CHRIST is superior to Moses”!
    – Judaism is associated with the divinely instituted priesthood of Aaron. “Yes, but CHRIST is
    superior to Aaron”!

    These are, so to speak, the four points of the discourse, but the whole revolves around the single
    argument already indicated. And yet the apostle does not go straight on with his argument. He
    makes a digression every once in a while, sometimes at the close of one division of his theme,
    and sometimes in the middle of it, for the purpose of warning his hearers, for the purpose of
    comforting them, or exhorting them to steadfastness in the Christian faith.
    And this we shall see as we proceed.
    Outline

    CHRIST is superior to the prophets (1:1-3).
    He is so in seven particulars:
    He is GOD’s Son.
    He is heir of all things.
    He made the worlds.
    He is the express image of GOD.
    He upholds all things.
    He Himself purged our sins.
    He is sat down at the right hand of GOD.
    CHRIST is superior to the angels (1:4-2:18).
    (1) He has the more excellent name of Son (1:4,5).
    (2) He is worshiped by the angels (1:6).
    (3) He is Himself the Eternal GOD (l:7-12).
    (4) He is (as Mediator) awaiting the possession of the kingdom (1:13,14).
    (5) He is the ruler of the age to come (2:5-8).

    It is in this division of our theme that we meet with the first of the digressions spoken of, one
    occurring in the middle of the argument (2:1-4) and another at its close (2:9-18).
    – the first is in the way of warning,
    – the second in the way of comfort.
    If the earlier dispensation, that of Judaism, punished every transgression, and disobedience, how
    shall we escape if we neglect this greater light, the heavenly origin of which was so
    unmistakably demonstrated by witnesses at once confirming and being themselves confirmed.
    And then, on the other hand, think of your privileges, your exaltation to the position of
    “brethren,” and your claims upon the Lord of glory as your true High-priest, faithful, merciful,
    capable and sympathetic! Capable and sympathetic because He has suffered through persecution
    just as you are suffering, He knows all about it and how to overcome it.
    The student will notice how the inspired writer naturally and easily glides from one link in the
    chain of reasoning to another.
    The testimony to CHRIST’s superiority to the prophets brought him face to face with CHRIST’s
    present position at the right hand of the Majesty on high, above the angels, and this led to a
    comparison with the angels. The comparison with the angels, in turn, leads to the statement
    about CHRIST’s humanity and the qualification of priesthood it confers.
    Ready is he now to enlarge upon that thought (3:1), only pausing to touch for a moment upon the
    third division of his argument which now begins.

    CHRIST is superior to Moses (3:1-4:13).
    The comparison in this case runs in two parallel lines of two members each:
    (1) Moses a servant over GOD’s house (3:5).
    (2) CHRIST a Son over His own house (3:6).

    That is an interesting phrase, “Whose house are we,” (v. 6), suggesting a simple plan for a
    fruitful sermon.
    In what sense are believers’ CHRIST’s house?
    He built them – “without him was not anything made that was made.”
    He bought them – “Ye are not your own, for ye are bought with a price.”
    He occupies them – “Ye in me and I in you.”

    Here, as in the previous instance, we meet with a digression, first, of warning (3:7-4:13), and
    then of comfort (4:14-16). The warning turns on the interpretation of that “rest” denied to GOD’s
    Old Testament people because of disobedience, as recorded in Psalm 45. It is not the rest of
    Canaan (4:8), but the rest of faith in CHRIST (4:4-10 compared with 3:14).
    Under the head of the comfort in this case the writer recurs again to the theme of the priesthood
    of CHRIST from which he had been diverted for the moment, and on which he now enlarges,
    practically to the end of the Epistle.

    CHRIST is superior to Aaron (4:14-10:39).
    (1) CHRIST is Himself a priest, a fact very necessary to be established if any comparison with
    Aaron shall be made, and which, the writer establishes in two ways (5:1-10).

    – He is a priest because He possesses the capacity for sympathy (vv. 1-3), and
    – because He has received a divine appointment to that office as Aaron did (vv. 4-10).
    The customary digression now follows in which the readers are exhorted (5:2-6:3), warned (6:4-
    8), and comforted (6:10-22).
    (2) CHRIST is a priest after a higher order than Aaron, viz: the order of Melchizedek (7:1-19).
    This is a higher order because it is of a kingly type (v. 3), and of permanent duration (v. 3),
    because Melchizedek received tithes from Aaron in the loins of Abraham (v. 6), and because he
    blessed Abraham (v. 7). Moreover, the permanency of this order implies the abrogation of the
    Levitical law (vv. 11-17).
    (3) CHRIST is a priest made with an oath (7:20-22).
    (4) He is an unchangeable priest (7:23-25).
    (5) He is sinless (7:26-28).
    (6) He is a priest of a better covenant (chap. 8).
    A better covenant because based on better promises. These promises are written on the heart, not
    on tables of stone (v. 10); they are universal in their application and not limited to a single
    people; and they bring forgiveness with them (v. 12).
    (7) He is a priest of a better tabernacle (chap. 9).
    This tabernacle is not material in its structure, but spiritual (v. 11); it is not hallowed by the
    blood of beasts, but by His own blood (v. 13); and it does not stand for temporary but eternal
    redemption (v. 12).
    (8) He is a priest of a better sacrifice (chap. 10).
    He Himself is that sacrifice, the substance of which the Old Testament sacrifices were but the
    shadow (vv. 1-9); a sacrifice necessary to be offered only once (vv. 10-18).
    The digression in this case, as in the preceding, is in the nature, first, of exhortation (vv. 19-25);
    secondly, of warning (vv. 26.31); thirdly, of comfort (vv. 32-39).

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  • RE Neither GP nor you can explain why the same Jews, after 2,000 solar years, still do not recognize your Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah

    READ MARK LEARN AND INWARDLY DIGEST ROMANS 9-11 ESPECIALLY CHAPTER 11 ….ITS ALL EXPLAINED THERE

    SERIOUS BIBLE SCHOLARE KNOW THESE THINGS
    BU BIBLE ILLITERATES CONTINUE TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR IGNORANCE
    THEY THINK THAT REPEATING THEIR IGNORANCE MAKES THEM CREDIBLE

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  • MillerNovember 23, 2020 9:30 PM

    @ John November 23, 2020 9:05 PM

    What do you mean by Jewish Christians? Isn’t that a paradox?

    Neither GP nor you can explain why the same Jews, after 2,000 solar years still do not recognize your Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah …

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    If you can accept there can can be Greek Christians and Roman Christians there can be Jewish Christians.

    Come to think of it, t I have some Jewish Valverde ancestors, buried in the synagogue, whose descendants became Jewish Christians.

    I suspect one of them, Eleazar, was a Quaker in the late 17th century but chose to be buried in the burial ground around the Synagogue with his parents, Abraham and Jael who first came to Barbados in the 1680’s if memory serves me right.

    He names Rachel Levi as his “Friend” in his will, a sure sign both were Quakers at the time of his writing of the will.

    That would make them Jewish Christians.

    Who knows, Abraham and Jael may have become Quakers before him and could also be termed Jewish Christians.

    Seem to remember in their wills they asked to be buried with the peoples of the Hebrew nation, not Hebrew religion.

    So, given my ancestry, would you consider me to be a Jewish Christian?

    Regarding the last statement, nobody would even attempt to explain how the same Jews who lived 2000 years ago could be alive today!!

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  • For those who take the bible literally
    Where in the bible does the word Christian is mention

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  • Q Where in the bible does the word Christian is mention
    A READ ACTS 11:26 AND YOU WILL SEE IT THERE VERY CLEARLY

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  • @ John November 23, 2020 11:03 PM
    “So, given my ancestry, would you consider me to be a Jewish Christian?”
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    How about you being more a Jewish Quaker or Jewish Voodooist.

    So let us simply label you as a Christian of Jewish cultural ancestry.

    You are prosecuting your case for your paradox position in the same manner you have prosecuted the case against Trump losing the presidential elections even though your plaintiff has jumped off the elections-rigged sinking ship.

    You cannot be praying in the synagogue to Yahweh while worshipping Jesus in a Christian church.

    Yes, the same character Jesus whom the Jews recognize only as a rebel and over whom they chose Barabbas (his twin brother) to sacrifice to the Romans according to the Passion play.

    As your good book said you cannot serve two masters.

    You should note that your Saviour Jesus has no place in Jewish eschatology.

    A Jew must become an apostate before becoming a Christian as many have done through the centuries to achieve access to political and economic power and social advancement like Cristóbal Colón (Christopher Columbus) and Benjamin Disraeli.

    Even Saul the Greek-speaking Jew from Tarsus in Asia Minor had to renounce his brand of Judaism and stop his bounty hunting campaign against the Nazarene cult to preach his new found ‘fictitious’ faith.

    Based on your same line of reasoning then you can become:

    An Akhenaten fanatic-Jewish-Christian-Muslim-Voodoo-Hindu-Buddhist-Shintoist-Pagan-Fascist-Quaker-Mixedup Bajan Backra Johnny.

    From your nemesis the Miller-Copernicus- Giordano Bruno-Galileo-Darwin

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  • Acts 11:26

    “And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch

    Who made the call for the disciples to be called Christains
    When i read this paragraph questions of motive comes to mind
    Reason being that the disciples never denounced them selves from being followers of Jesus who was a Jew
    No where in the bible does it state that the disciples acknowledge the word Christian as part of the jewish faith
    Cant imagine a disciple and a follower of Jesus calling himself a Christian

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  • Acts 11:26
    King James Version
    26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

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    So, Jewish Christians works just fine.

    Since the Apostles were Jewish and became the first to be called Christians at Antioch then it follows that the Apostles were the first Jewish Christians, or Asian Christians, or Middle Eastern Christians.

    As they spread the Word, more Jewish people, members of the Hebrew Nation, became Christians.

    Greeks also became Christians so there were also Gentile Christians but I can’t remember ever seeing the phrase.

    When I read the old wills from the 17th Century and saw the term “Hebrew Nation” something about the phrase struck me as worthy of more research.

    Never got back to it but here it comes to me again.

    I realise by asking to be buried among the people of the Hebrew Nation, early Jewish Barbadians might have been also saying they were Jewish Christians seeking to be buried among their people.

    English Quakers in Barbados, some of the earliest Barbadian Christians often asked in their wills to be buried among their ancestors or children, which often meant somewhere in their Garden outside the front door.

    Very often they asked to be buried in the churchyard beside their spouse.

    The first Barbadian Christians would have been Puritans.

    They would have led some of their slaves to Christianity before the Quakers arrived so the Quakers would have been the third set of Barbadians who could have been described as Barbadian Christians.

    It clarifies alot for me as I was pretty sure early Jews in Barbados might also have converted and become Quakers/Christians but now I can easily defend that thesis if required so to do in a setting more scholarly than the BU rum shop.

    I learnt something this morning, thanks all.

    I’ll double check my references and confirm.

    I also seem to remember the word Redeem used in some of those wills as a last testament to the testators faith.

    Now that is worthy of some more attention.

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  • Christianity is one branch of the tree of humanity. Theology studies all faiths in all cultures such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism.

    Metaphysics, philosophy, ontology, sociology, logic are tools in thinking to reconcile and understand the above.

    Knowing yourself and the universe, mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually is part of feeling the gross and subtle layers within you. Breathing deeply and exercising takes you out of your mind and into your body and should be daily practise.

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  • JOHN

    THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE CLEARLY JEWISH AS IS CLEARLY SET OUT IN THE BOOK OF ACTS, WHETHER THEY WERE DISCIPLES FROM JUDAEA OR ITS ENVIRONS, OR THE SEVERAL HELLENISTIC JEWS OF THE DIASPORA WHO WERE CONVERTED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST FOLLOWING PETER’S SERMON.

    The first Barbadian Christians would have been Puritans. INDEED!

    THE PURITANS WERE SO CALLED BECAUSE THEY SOUGHT TO DEPART FROM THE MALFEASANCE OF THE ESTABLISHED PERVERTIONS OF THE RC AND ANGLICAN CHURCHES

    THE PURITANS BASICALLY SOUGHT TO FOLLOW BIBLICAL TRUTH,PURELY AND SO DID THE QUAKERS WHO WERE ALSO SOUND DOCTRINALLY, AND FOLLOWED A SIMPLE FORM OF CHURCH WORSHIP AND POLITY (note not policy)

    BOTH OF THESE GROUPS LED TO THE BLITZ OF THE PLYMOUTH BRETHREN! WHO, ALAS UP TO THIS DAY CONTINUE TO DECLINE BECAUSE OF THEIR TENDENCY TO ENGAGE IN “FRATRICIDE.”

    THIS PART OF CHURCH HISTORY INVOLVING THE PURITANS QUAKERS AND THE BRETHREN WHO MET IN DUBLIN, BRISTOL,AND PLYMOUTH IS EXTREMELY FASCINATION.

    I RESEARCHED AND WROTE ABOUT THE BRETHREN IN MY MCEd dissertation. BUT THIS WEEKEND I GOT TO READ ABOUT THE GROUNDWORK LAID FOR THE BRETHREN BY BOTH THE PURITANS AND THE QUAKERS. VERY FASCINATING HISTORY

    IF YOU COULD SET UP A SPECIAL E MAIL ADDRESS FOR THE PURPOSE I COULD SEND YOU THESE TWO WORKS
    PERHAPS YOU SHOULD JOIN A BRETHREN GROUP ONE SUNDAY MORNING AT 11 AM (SAY DAYRELL’S RD GOSPEL HALL) JUST TO OBSERVE

    SOME PROMINENT BAJANS STARTED OUT IN THE LOCAL OPEN BRETHREN ASSEMBLIES INCLUDING EX HEAD OF HC DR BELGRAVE WHO WAS BURIED LAST WEEK, AND HIS BROTHER IN LAW THE EX GOVERNER OF THE CENTRAL BANK.

    DR MAYNARD WAS FORMERLY OF THE “CLOSED OR EXCLUSIVE” BRETHREN IS ANOTHER THAT COMES TO MIND

    NOTE ALSO THAT THE MOST RECENT EDITION OF BAJAN THINGS IS OUT IN CASE YOU HAVE NOT YET SUBSCRIBED THERETO, HERE IS A LINK https://www.bajanthings.com/banja-in-barbados-and-its-influence-on-calypso-throughout-the-west-indies/

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  • A quick look at my Valverde notes has Aaron Valverde in his 1746 will, leaving 10 pounds to the poor of the Hebrew Nation.

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  • a follow up on my early comment
    The word Christain is derived from the greek word Christianos Christos meaning Anointed one which would be an indication or form of respect in the manner by the gentiles church would have greeted the disciples when they visited them and understandably so

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  • Thanks for your offer GP, will see how I can work it out.

    Quakers are intriguing.

    Many historians believe they were some miniscule oppressed minority faith in Barbados but I am finding the complete opposite.

    It was their business acumen that built Barbados and contributed much to the building of America. They could not be members of the clergy, would not go into the armed services and were barred from universities so they applied their energies to business and God blessed their endeavours.

    It is said Quakers came to America to do good and did extremely well!!

    I read recently there was one university, the University of Edinburgh that did accept them but it only offered medicine. Many Quakers I come across in research were doctors and probably came through that university.

    Their numbers dwindled as the 18th century progressed but burials of Quakers were taking place into the mid 1800’s in Barbados. At Alexandria in St. Lucy, close to Lamberts, was the site of their Pumpkin Hill Meeting Room, Alexandria I suspect because Alexandria was a port in Virginia with which Barbadian Quaker and Jewish merchants had connections through Speightstown.

    Others existed in Bridgetown, St. Philip and Porey Spring.

    What is now “St. Peter’s Cemetery”, apparently Anglican, was once a 14 acre site on which there was a Quaker Meeting House, Stable and Burying Ground.

    It is referred to in the parochial register for St. Peter as the “Quaker Yard” and is also referred to as “Friends Plantations” on a 1680 map at Heathcott’s Bay. Heathcott was a very early (c. 1650) Barbadian family that became Quaker.

    St. Peter and some other Anglican parochial parish registers only begin well into the 1700’s.

    I reckon that was because few Barbadians were Anglicans, most were Quakers but some feel it is just they were lost to the vagaries of time.

    Some historians are writing more about the early history of Quakers in the Atlantic World and realising that Barbados was the “Cradle of Truth” through which Quakers came to America. There are signatories to the American Declaration of Independence who have Barbadian Quaker roots.

    Hard to imagine Barbados was referred to as “The Cradle of Truth” once upon a time.

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  • Talking about Speightstown there was a Jewish Synagogue there.

    It is referred to in an early will.

    Some efforts have been made to find it.

    I suspect it may have been in someone’s house as were many Quaker Meetings.

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  • I look at the White Church as a blot on the history of humanity.
    The Black Church and people brought it it’s spirituality.
    I would also place all other other religions above the White Church.
    As Miller says the source of life on Planet Earth is the Sun,
    Whites have to avoid the source of life or they get burnt.

    Kunta Kinte – The African Warrior

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  • Kunta Kinte was fiction.

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