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Verla De Peiza, Leader of the DLP

 

@David,what rot are you talking? the DLP will be out of govt for at least 10 years. do we really think any person from the last bunch will be around politically at that time? your admonishment is a nonsense under those circumstances. Barrow and others were rejected too. politics is a strange game and the rejected can become the chosen in a wink of an eye politically

The comment quoted was posted by Greene in response to criticism of Verla De Peiza’s leadership of the Democratic Labour Party (DLP). It reveals the electorate’s biggest problem.

There has been a lot of chatter about the decision by former prime minister Freundel Stuart to speak after two years of silence. One of the characteristics of Stuart’s tenure was his unwillingness – some suggest reluctance – to engage the public on the many issues of the day. This detachment from an electorate he was elected to serve permeated his team. The ethos which shrouded his tenure provoked his reference to a sleeping giant who others should be fearful about awakening.

This blogmaster has no intention to be prolix on this matter, the BU family has sliced and diced Stuart matters to bits over the years. Those who prefer to drag a political carcass across the trail to stink up dispassionate analysis, it will not work.

For some time progressive BU pundits have opined that the Bajan electorate has ceded its civic responsibility to the political class.  Key tenets upon which our so called democracy is built require a strident advocacy by the PEOPLE to act as a whip to the political class. What we have is a situation – referred to as the duopoly –  where the Opposition party pays its penance for two terms and is re-elected as the de facto government in waiting.  Some of us have exposed the fault line in our governance system, however, the majority of people have become intoxicated by the games politicians play and do not know B from bull’s foot as it relates to civic engagement.

The last two prime ministers Freundel Stuart and Owen Arthur represent about 25 years in office between them. Is it too much for the electorate to expect them to add value to the governance landscape – post prime ministership – with the objective of making our democratic systems better? For this reason elders in ancient societies have been allocated pride of place and  were pivotal transferring knowledge to mould societies for the better. Instead what we have had is Arthur demonstrating a level of bitterness not worthy of mention AND one Stuart outburst labelled by political pundits as froth over substance.

Some of us have had enough!

it is in this context the blogmaster states categorically there is no merit to Stuart given airtime under the banner of the DLP, if it wants to be taken seriously as being in the vanguard of change. Stuart is free to mirror De Lisle Worrell by posting his thoughts on a website or vblogging on YouTube. The political class has no problem disrespecting the electorate by demonstrating arrogance in office, breaking promises (manifestos), however, the electorate – according to some – must extend all courtesies to Stuart by being receptive to his mouthings on his descension from Mount Olympus. This blogmaster says no!

Two years on it is evident no credible third party movement has emerged. Although disappointing, it is a reflection of the scant regard quality citizens hold for aspiring to be members of the political class. We are what we eat, our governments are composed of poorakey members.

A reinvigorated and reborn DLP is important to a well functioning governance setup in Barbados. One does not have to be blessed with the acuity of the best political pundit to know Verla De Peiza lacks the gravitas in personality to lead the emergence of the DLP.  To have allowed Denis Lowe, Ronald Jones, Adreil Brathwaite et al to hijack her agenda- if there is one -is the biggest indication she does not have control of the party.

Three more years to go Verla, or less!


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212 responses to “Two Poorakey FORMER Prime Ministers”

  1. Piece the Legend Avatar

    You do know that, long before the 15th comment here that this article is going to descend into a shy$e throwing match THAT WILL INCLUDE YOUR HERO MUGABE MOTTLEY, THE DESPOT!

    Some will say “As it rightfully should” since your amnesiac rendition of the history of Barbados over the last 25 years CONVENIENTLY FORGETS THAT Mugabe Mottley was well entrenched IN THAT TRAVESTY INFLICTED UPON OUR COUNTRY.

    One of the major problems with the revisionist history task of Barbados Underground IS THAT A FEW OF YOUR READERS are not poochlickers and can remember clearly what these now ascended criminals, A FEW STEPS AWAY FROM BEING LOCKED UP IN AMERICA, have all done.

    All of them are thieves of funds from the Treasury

    But their comeuppance is on the doorsteps WITH THE CORONAVIRUS

    This WILL BE THE FEBRUARY DISASTER for the government of Barbados that will show who is truly poor rakey

    De ole man has spoken AND NO JACKASS HOWEVER EMPOWERED can erase me words

    Heheheheh


  2. That idiot Dennis Kellman seems to want to make a come back. Was on Brass Tacks yesterday according to the with a proposal to solve the transportation problem. He, like Glynne Murray seem to have all the solutions now that they are out of office.


  3. David,

    what was the reason for using that quote at the top of your piece if you weren’t going to refer to it in the body of the article?

    to be clear i have no issue with using the quote.

    now let me ask you, why do you think that Verla lacks the personality or as you say, gravitas, to lead a resurgence of the DLP? and then you seem to think that that would be hampered by having the recently defeated speak under the banner of the DLP?

    all parties must have a base and it appears to me that the loyal base of the DLP wants these members to speak and i agree with them talking.

    if nothing else, it serves as a kind of political catharsis from which Verla and the DLP could put behind them the ghost of that administration while holding onto a base from which she could solidify her leadership.

    let’s hope she recognises this and seizes the moment. Go Verla


  4. @Greene

    If you do not see how the quote meshes with the thesis of the blog then the point is truly made. Verla will not be responsible for the resurgence of the DLP.


  5. @David,

    do you have some kind of animus towards Verla, political or otherwise?

    BTW- you didnt answer my questions


  6. If the DLP hope to ‘make a comeback’, they must rid themselves of ALL of those of the past 10 years. We were completely fed-up with them, as 30-0 indicated …. Verla must sweep them out…. we never want to see them in any government office again………… let them band together and form a 3rd-party…lol…… it even feels disrespectful that the media gives them exposure …. let them fade away…. please!!!


  7. @ Greene

    Steady on, old chap. Never forget even fools must have their say.


  8. @ David.

    You speak to the absence of a Third party but what is most worrying is there is not even an active second party.

    Basically we have no opposition.


  9. Why on earth is the blogmaster driving another debate about Stuart. How about the efforts to remove the criminal eleven plus . I totally for its removal. What about the dissenting views of Ralph Thorne and Glyne Clarke?
    Let me repeat: I have supported the removal of the eleven plus since the late sixties.
    Last I heard Freundel Stuart is no longer a factor in the management of Barbados.


  10. @William,

    unless i understand what is its replacement, i am against the removal of the 11 plus. Clarke seems to have grown some balls and Thorne seems, like me, want clarification of the replacement and how it will be implemented.

    but you are correct, a topic worthy of debate, again.

    David seems to like to discuss Verla. dont know why? i remember him favouring Guy Hewitt in the DLP leadership battle. i must say Hewitt would have been an interesting choice tho.

  11. Piece the Legend Avatar

    @ KS

    What you have said summarises the status of ANY AND ALL OF THOSE MPs deservingly rewarded 30-0

    I personally feel that they also need LOCKING up, LIKE PORNVILLE GOING GET LOCK UP WITH A PASSIONATE PRISON MATE

    http://imgur.com/y1Ke9ds

    What though is more concerning to me about the DLP posturing is that THE PEOPLE WHO GET BEAT 30-0 doing more than the Reverend Joseph Atherley!

    He and his party are inordinately silent


  12. @ Greene
    I find it strange that the Minster of Education would announce its intended removal before coming to the public with at least some idea of its replacement.
    Removing the eleven will be the most significant development since the introduction of free education.
    I can’t understand why two government MPs seem in the dark about the issue.
    This is not the best start to the process. I hope Ms. Bradshaw, who has the correct tone, as a MOEdu. realizes that this is a very sensitive / emotional issue with the public. While I support her efforts, I will urge her to be more concrete and precise on this issue before making further public announcements.


  13. (Quote):
    For this reason elders in ancient societies have been allocated pride of place and were pivotal transferring knowledge to mould societies for the better. Instead what we have had is Arthur demonstrating a level of bitterness not worthy of mention AND one Stuart outburst labelled by political pundits as froth over substance. (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh what a way Father Time has of sending its watchdog Karma to bite political poker players in their “poorakey” butts!

    Are these the same two politicians who played a card game of political horse-trading by trying to turn the aggressively upstart filly called MAM into a gelding to be sold down the river flowing right through the imaginary divide in Parliament?

    Haven’t they both succeeded into turning a loquacious firebrand into a history-making political heroine who some consider to be the mother of Bajan economic salvation?

    Now what should be HM MAM’s ultimate method of double-dealing humiliation of them both?

    Why not make them both knights of the roundtable of political scraps?

    Rise, Sir Arthur Stuart; Ye both ‘pretend’ kings of the duopoly of double dealing in the republic of Barbados!

    Those whom the gods [employed in the Service of Lady Justice] want to destroy are always allowed to get drunk from the poisoned chalice political power.


  14. @William
    @Greene

    By getting rid of the 11+ are we not dumbing down, right at the point when we should raising standards? Is this not a flawed response to the middle classes worried that little Johnny and Keisha may fail to get in to a top school?


  15. @ Piece the Legend,

    Your destructive posters reveling in the 30 to 0 defeat of the DLP

    and with no viable alternative NEW political party, you could be helping to create a one party state.


  16. @ Hal
    @ Greene
    Removing the 11Plus is the first step to a new ethos not only in education but the country. The pedestrian argument about stopping “ bright” children from developing academically is a red herring. I believe strongly in continuous assessment. We are simply not measuring our Human Resources properly because our educational system is flawed at its foundation. And that foundation is the 11Plus.


  17. @William,

    they got rid of the 11 plus in the UK and the results, from what i have heard, are no better. if anything, they are worse, but Hal can speak to that.

    we have to get this right.

    no sense getting rid of a system unless we have an equal or better replacement with equal or better outcomes.

    i think they should focus more on returning secondary schools to single sex and introduce more technical and vocational studies in the system


  18. A master plan for the removal of the 11 plus and replacing it with ZONING was created by the then Minister of Education Billie Miller in 1981.

    The basic principle of the majority of children going to school near to where they live seems logical.

    Improving the quality of education and creating a ” level playing field ” is possible.


  19. All Barbados’ governments have been poor rakey, none of them ever managed to FREE their people from colonial blight and bondage, not that they would want to given their thirst and envy for shitey colonial tites since they feel that they ent nobody without them… yes, poor rakey is a kind description of these educated backward.

    Greene.. you are just as useless as Hal, what have they doped you clowns with in UK….it was specifically said by Santia i believe that this is THE LAST DAYS OF THE 11+…but there you are with your lying ass claiming that they stopped the 11 plus but the results are still the same….you stupid, brainwashed clowns just cannot help yourselves..

    You and Hal are proof beyond doubt why the 11 plus gotta go, it produces too many dumb people unable to be rational or analyze the truth…..it produced 3 generations of mostly idiots like yaselves…


  20. not that they would want to given their thirst and envy for SHITEY COLONIAL TITLES since they feel that they ent nobody without them

  21. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Skinner, u speak of your desired removal of the ‘screaming’ test since some 40+ years ago.

    Surely therefore you and like minded folks have offered several workable alternatives … in that regard why do you think this MoE and her ministry Chief Ex officer et al are not full of options and simply are waiting to roll out their choice!

    As surely also they have talked it to death, gone on endless knowledge tours to other systems and modelled their intent …ONE MUST EXPECT!

    But all that aside why do YOU not take the opportunity to update one of your essays on the subject and provide some substantive info to be posted here so that the Blogmaster does not need to regurgitate on Stuart and his asine remarks about ‘waking a sleeping giant’.

    For a leader who stood at the helm of the last administration repeated eff-ups, blatant lies and cover-ups it is hubris shrouded in shameless disdain for Bajans that he could consider himself a giant of anything worthy of being awakened!

    Put pen to paper in a memoir and just shut up, again. Let sleeping giants SLEEP… He dallied while the nation suffered … go and dally more!

    So pease unfurl your proposals and let the blog discuss something with positivity, do.

  22. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Hants at 10;08 AM

    Zoning is neither logical nor effective in a vacuum. It all depends on what social/national objectives the society is aiming to achieve. Only the society as a whole can state what they want from an Education System. We live in an interconnected world. We have to communicate,compete and interact. Education cannot be parochial.


  23. @ William
    @Greene

    I am all for education reform, but dumbing down is not the answer. We want to level up and turn Barbados in to the educational hot spot of the Caribbean – really world class.
    It is interesting that the president, a former education minister herself, has made no public input in to the argument since winning the election. Young people are not all academic; many do not show their abilities at the normal school age; many are talented in other ways and it is the job of government to provide those opportunities for those young people.
    Whatever we do, as long as we have a tiered system of education there must be a form of selection; if we are not going to select by exam, how then are we going to select?
    By the way, last week in the UK there was a big debate about the importance of teachers in young lives. It followed an appearance by Ian Wright, a former England footballer, on Desert Island Discs, a Radio Four programme. It led to lots of tears in public by people recalling how special teachers played a role in their lives..
    I was lucky in that sense. Lots of old Waterford boys on here will mention Harry Sealy, a very special man. And, as you know, I have mentioned JO Morris at St Giles on numerous occasions.
    My one great regret is that I never had an opportunity to say thank you to him. Schools are important and we must not mess up this opportunity.
    @Greene also mentioned improvements in the UK. I suggest that the president and her ministers should look at under 16 education in the UK 20-25 years ago, and look at it since the reforms.
    When is the ministry of education going to publish the CXC results of individual schools?


  24. “….it was specifically said by Santia i believe that this is THE LAST DAYS OF THE 11+…but there you are with your lying ass claiming that they stopped the 11 plus but the results are still the same….you stupid, brainwashed clowns just cannot help yourselves..”

    I know Mr. Greene is quite capable of defending himself, but, in the interest of fairness, perhaps the author of the above quoted comment, may be willing to indicate where in any of his contributions to this topic so far, he claimed the 11+ was stopped in Barbados, “but the results are still the same” and how has he LIED to this forum.

    Because, as far as I read, he wrote at February 25, 2020 10:01 AM:: “they got rid of the 11 plus in the UK and the results, from what i have heard, are no better. if anything, they are worse…..”

  25. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    Hants cont’d

    Can we seriously consider zoning in an island 21 miles in length and 14 miles in width as an improvement to the delivery of utilitarian education?


  26. @ de pedantic Dribbler
    I have long expressed my views about the 11 plus in an article on BU. I see no need to republish or update it at this time. As stated, I am for continuous assessment. My views are well known and I informed the then government in a paper I wrote to the Task Force on Unemployment. I think that was around 1987. Where I looked at the educational component of unemployment. Nothing has changed since then yo change my views.


  27. @ Hal
    Your belief that abolishing the 11 plus is “ dumbing down “ the educational system is very incorrect. I would argue that the 11 plus is the real dumbing down system because it declared thousands of our children dumb at age eleven .


  28. @ William

    Various other methods, continuous assessment, modular etc impact differently on boys and girls. Boys prefer to cram for an exam then have a big exam; girls are generally more diligent and prefer to keep notes through the year, working on projects. It is the same with post-graduate work: some are based on exams, others on assessments, others on a series of long essays.


  29. @ William

    No. Plse re -read what I have said. Because a boy or girl has failed the 11+ does not mean they are failures. There must be other opportunities post-secondary education, even for bright kids to transfer from comprehensive schools to grammar schools. Education is lifelong, not just for 11 years.
    In the UK there are further education colleges and different forms of admission to university apart from A levels, , including work experience.


  30. @Artax,

    thanks. if you didnt respond i would not have known she said that- i dont read her comments all the time. i have no more to say on that issue

    @ William,

    zoning is a joke like Vincent contends

    @Hal,

    spot on. Harry Sealy was small in stature but a giant personality. Mr Combermere he was. all persons are not academic in the traditional sense and why should they be. to this day i am sorry that i wasnt in those E forms that would do technical drawing. i am v good at designing and it is now a hobby of mine. instead i was steered and allowed myself to be steered in a certain direction.

    zoning is a selection process but the better secondary schools are in the Bridgetown area so how would that work. If zoning existed in my time i could not have attended Cawmere.

    continued assessment is still a form of competition/selection and could be manipulated.


  31. @Hal

    even to become a lawyer (barrister or solicitor) one can take many different routes, some of which are unknown in the Caribbean


  32. @ Greene

    I knows. I think the conversion is brilliant. Look at Lord Sumption. When employing reporters I always preferred people who had done a second degree in a different discipline, rather than a post-graduate in the same one. You develop a broader vision.


  33. @ Greene
    Where have I written that I am a supporter of zoning? I specifically said I support continuous assessment.


  34. @ Greene February 25, 2020 10:01 AM
    “no sense getting rid of a system unless we have an equal or better replacement with equal or better outcomes.
    i think they should focus more on returning secondary schools to single sex and introduce more technical and vocational studies in the system..”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    With those of wisdom, you might just be onto a more pragmatic and potentially effective alternative to the abolition of the 11 plus.

    The current socially dysfunctional landscape might have been cultivated inadvertently, but in an unusually large measure, by the abolition of single sex education at the Secondary-School level.

    Let them (the two sexes) compete at the ‘getting-to-know-you’ Primary and Tertiary levels.
    But not, on average, at the Secondary school level where males are running (in blinkers made of distracting colours) in the academic derby for donkeys with the females competing in the Gold Cup for ‘upper-class’ fillies.

    Raging hormones in a biological crucible of contrasting mix make for a toxic war of competition in a one-sided academic pursuit.

    The more maturing ‘Girls’, in too many cases, will outperform the ‘physiologically-delayed’ boys on this uneven academic playing field at the secondary level.

    However, the tertiary level seems to change the odds of excellence more in favour of those ‘young men’ who have managed to stay the distance.


  35. What children need is real education about REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES that are inevitable…and not the backward fantasies that have been brainwashing them into being victims and then into unaware helpless adults for the last 3 generations….

    what Caribbean children, particularly Barbados, need is more AFRICAN HISTORY taught to them and not the outright lies and fantasies created and handed down by the UK.

    What the children don’t need are a bunch of empty suits and talking heads for politicians/ leaders with their contrived titles, pretentious attitudes and nothing intelligent to offer, not even progress because all they are …imperial puppets, same imperialism they are pretending to fight..

    http://huffp.st/Ax1EfYX?fbclid=IwAR0rXx4nXpcPlkT1wo6JXayGSup2YqG-rUiMZcEsUUCzSYBW2poPfm3JPrg

    “The inquiry, launched in 2019, saw 505 witnesses called to evidence, including 10 bishops, three archbishops, one cardinal, 31 chief constables and other senior police officers, 13 lords and ladies, six former government ministers, a former director general of MI5, two ex-prime ministers and the heir to the throne.”


  36. @John A

    This is the concern. If there is no credible third pet movement and the DLP does not reinvent itself to be relevant what then? A dictatorship?

    All the changes being requested will not occur if our system of governance is not relevant. At the moment Mia can do what the hell she likes.

    It seems a few geezers on the blog want to dictate what the blogmaster should post on. Good look with that.


  37. How many times has the 11+ and related issues been discussed on BU. Some times you need to make your points and leave the editorializing at the door. What is preventing you or one of the other moaners from making a submission.


  38. @William

    that was not meant for you. my apologies.

    however my bit on continued assessment stands. isnt continued assessment a selection process to the extent that there will be some type of competitive basis for grading?


  39. @Greene

    Your simple conclusion is that a critique of Verla connotes animus? Piss in the blogmaster pocket do.


  40. @David,

    how does the DLP reinvent itself to become relevant?

    and you havent answered my questions re Verla? or Guy Hewitt?


  41. As usual we have those in the blog who retreat to name calling if there is disagreement. How immature does this make you?


  42. Nothing to answer. The blogmaster shared an opinion based on observation on the ground. It did not capture Guy Hewitt.


  43. @ David.

    It is time the DLP come out and tell us who their slate of candidates are or whether they even intend to contest the next elections at all. After all elections are 2 years off roughly.

    Secondly if there is enough quality candidates to raise a Third party who understand the pickle that we are in, then they too need to come forward and SHARE THEIR WORKABLE AND PROPERLY THOUGHT OUT ECONOMIC PLAN WITH US.


  44. in my own estimation, if they play it right, the DLP can win 5-8 seats in the next election. in agreement with David, they need to get their act together tho.

    i believe they are, with this political catharsis that we have seen. Verla has to seize this moment. she needs some good advisers and a social media presence


  45. I wonder what would happen if every young woman and man were optimally nourished before a pregnancy occured, and if each child was optimally nourished until adulthood.


  46. @ Hal February 25, 2020 10:48 AM

    “It is the same with post-graduate work: some are based on exams, others on assessments, others on a series of long essay.

    I take it you are not talking about post graduate science courses. The one-year masters’ by exam in the sciences is just a continuation of the first degree. You go to lectures and take notes. There might be a small research project a few months in duration. The one-year masters’ in science is not worth the price of the paper the diploma is printed on, Every one passes unless they are dumb. There is no originality of thought on the part of the student. The research masters’ program is a different ball-game. One is not sure that one will get one. It depends on the initiative of the candidate and the ability to be original. The effort of two years work goes down the drain, if one is not up to scratch There is always the factor of the supervisor: if he /she doesn’t particularly admire the candidate’s work ,it is hard to get it.


  47. Once I was driving a 25 month old. I did not take my usual turn-off because there had been a traffic diversion because of very bad weather. The child became extremely agitated telling me “wrong way, wrong way”

    About 6 moths later the same youngster was entering my sister’s home. The doormat was askew, the toddler stooped and straightened the mat. My sister said “did you see that?” Neither of us had ever seen a chlld, and only rarely an adult, stop and correct something which was spatially WRONG. The child went on to secondary school and despite being the only girl in the technical drawing class was always first in that class, would also withut being told spend hours on art homework projects The child is now working as a designer.

    The fact that the child was bright in things spatial was noticed just after the second birthday and that gift was nurtured and honored. Fortunately 2 teachers at secondary school [for my friend Miller etc., both to those teachers are MEN. Let us hail allthe wonderful MEN teaching in our system] also noticed that gift and gave great encouragement.

    Kid would have made a lousy doctor, lawyer, politician etc.

    Our job as parents, as teachers, as educators, as policy makers, is to help our children discover the gifts with which they have been blessed, and then to nurture those gifts.

    And that sort of nurturing require tremendous attention to detail.


  48. @ Silly Woman February 25, 2020 1:33 PM

    There would be lots of children being born since the woman’s eggs would be highly viable. Lots of sperm cells knocking around. Maybe be lots of twins. As for the offspring,: very healthy all things being equal.


  49. Froon and OSA are like two brothers. Both believe in socialism and that prosperity comes from a sprawling, fat welfare state that feeds as many civil servants as possible. Both cannot and will not intellectually understand that it is the private sector that generates wealth, not the state. They are both excused in that they are children of the plantation where the masses have been exploited.

    I therefore very much welcome the fact that we finally have a female prime minister who is taking a completely new course with her intelligence, dynamism and financial independence.

    This is not about DLP or BLP, but about a struggle between the male domestic servants of the plantation and modern self-confident women who lead Barbados and its society to true emancipation. It is the contrast between the old belief of the plantation that the Lord provides food and clothing, and modern civil society, where people are free and can act freely regardless of their skin colour. It is the contrast between the welfare state, which has degraded Barbadians to tax slaves, and the dawning of a new era.


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