Sweet Sunday Sermon – The Second Coming of Christ

Submitted by Dr. GP

The New Testament uses three different words to describe the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

(i) The commonest is parousia, a word which has come into English as it stands. It is used in Matthew 24:3; Matthew 24:27; Matthew 24:39; 1 Thessalonians 2:9; 1 Thessalonians 3:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:15; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 2:1; 1 Corinthians 15:23; 1 John 2:28; 2 Peter 1:16; 2 Peter 3:4. In secular Greek this is the ordinary word for someone’s presence or arrival. But it has two other usages, one of which became quite technical. It is used of the invasion of a country by an army and specially it is used of the visit of a king or a governor to a province of his empire. So, then, when this word is used of Jesus, it means that his Second Coming is the final invasion of earth by heaven and the coming of the King to receive the final submission and adoration of his subjects.

(ii) The New Testament also uses the word epiphaneia (Titus 2:13; 2 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:9). In ordinary Greek this word has two special usages. It is used of the appearance of a god to his worshipper; and it is used of the accession of an emperor to the imperial power of Rome. So, then, when this word is used of Jesus, it means that his Second Coming is God appearing to his people, both to those who are waiting for him and to those who are disregarding him.

(iii) Finally the New Testament uses the word apokalupsis (1 Peter 1:7; 1 Peter 1:13). Apokalupsis in ordinary Greek means an unveiling or a laying bare; and when it is used of Jesus, it means that his Second Coming is the laying bare of the power and glory of God come upon men.

Here, then, we have a series of great pictures. The Second Coming of Jesus is the arrival of the King; it is God appearing to his people and mounting his eternal throne; it is God directing on the world the full blaze of his heavenly glory.

We may now gather up briefly the teaching of the New Testament about the Second Coming and the various uses it makes of the idea.

(i) The New Testament is clear that no man knows the day or the hour when Christ comes again. So secret, in fact, is that time that Jesus himself does not know it; it is known to God alone (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32). From this basic fact one thing is clear. Human speculation about the time of the Second Coming is not only useless, it is blasphemous; for surely no man should seek to gain a knowledge which is hidden from Jesus Christ himself and resides only in the mind of God.

(ii) The one thing that the New Testament does say about the Second Coming is that it will be as sudden as the lightning and as unexpected as a thief in the night (Matthew 24:27; Matthew 24:37; Matthew 24:39; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10). We cannot wait to get ready when it comes; we must be ready for its coming.

So, the New Testament urges certain duties upon men.

(i) They must be for ever on the watch (1 Peter 4:7). They are like servants whose master has gone away and who, not knowing when he will return, must have everything ready for his return, whether it be at morning, at midday, or at evening (Matthew 24:36-51).

(ii) Long delay must not produce despair or forgetfulness (2 Peter 3:4). God does not see time as men do. To him a thousand years are as a watch in the night and even if the years pass on, it does not mean that he has either changed or abandoned his design.

(iii) Men must use the time given them to prepare for the coming of the King. They must be sober (1 Peter 4:7). They must get to themselves holiness (1 Thessalonians 3:13). By the grace of God they must become blameless in body and in spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:23). They must put off the works of darkness and put on the armour of light now that the day is far spent (Romans 13:11-14). Men must use the time given them to make themselves such that they can greet the coming of the King with joy and without shame.

(iv) When that time comes, they must be found in fellowship. Peter uses the thought of the Second Coming to urge men to love and mutual hospitality (1 Peter 4:8-9). Paul commands that all things be done in love — Maran-atha — the Lord is at hand (1 Corinthians 16:14; 1 Corinthians 16:22). He says that our forbearance must be known to all men because the Lord is at hand (Philippians 4:5). The word translated “forbearance” is epieikes which means the spirit that is more ready to offer forgiveness than to demand justice.

The writer to the Hebrews demands mutual help, mutual Christian fellowship, mutual encouragement because the day is coming near (Hebrews 10:24-25). The New Testament is sure that in view of the Coming of Christ we must have our personal relationships right with our fellowmen. The New Testament would urge that no man ought to end a day with an unhealed breach between himself and a fellowman, lest in the night Christ should come.

(v) John uses the Second Coming as a reason for urging men to abide in Christ (1 John 2:28). Surely the best preparation for meeting Christ is to live close to him every day.

Much of the imagery attached to the Second Coming is Jewish, part of the traditional apparatus of the last things in the ancient Jewish mind. There are many things which we are not meant to take literally. But the great truth behind all the temporary pictures of the Second Coming is that this world is not purposeless but going somewhere, that there is one divine far-off event to which the whole creation moves.’

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  • Good morning Dr. GP

    De ole man is going to start the bowling this morning with a few bouncers

    I have discerned in my spirit WHY YOU ARE SO DISLIKED BY BEDROOM POLICEMAN AND FREEDOM CROAKER.

    I shall explain using one of your quotations

    “…The New Testament also uses the word epiphaneia (Titus 2:13; 2 Timothy 4:1; 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

    In ordinary Greek this word has two special usages.

    It is used of the appearance of a god to his worshipper; and it is used of the accession of an emperor to the imperial power of Rome…”

    Do you understand why these people quake and others, including the ole man, can only come and comment superficially on your exegesis EVERY SINGLE WEEK?

    You understand our collective loss?

    “…IN THE ORDINARY GREEK…!”

    My fellow apostate, the majority of us scarcely know what the ordinary English means AND, FOR YOU AND OTHER TRUE SCHOLARS OF THE HOLY BIBLE to revert to Greek, or Hebrew, or Lord forbid, Sanskrit, WE READERS ARE LOST to even begin to understand AND THEN EVEN TRY TO DISCUSS YOUR SUBMISSIONS HERE ON BU!

    Imagine then the depth of this problem when, after you expound ONE ONE SINGLE WORD ABOUT THE SECOND COMING, how we ingrates and spiritual laggards feel .

    Merely contemplating the nature of the word has lost the majority of us.

    Then you ask us further to dissect that into three variants?

    Do you see why the simplistic ramblings of people like Granville Phillips and the Swaggarts and the Creflo Dollars and others in the long list of impostors ARE SO FULLY SUBSCRIBED TO?

    it is easy to absorb filth AND RUN FROM THE REFINED WATER OF LIFE!

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  • @ Dr. GP

    De ole man promised “bouncers” so I ask your for clearance or is that “epieikes” as it related to this second point.

    You said and I quote

    “…The word translated “forbearance” is epieikes which means the spirit that is more ready to offer forgiveness than to demand justice.

    The writer to the Hebrews demands mutual help, mutual Christian fellowship, mutual encouragement because the day is coming near (Hebrews 10:24-25).

    Many of your detractors WILL COME HERE TODAY AND SAY

    “…How comes it that you can speak of epieikes yet be so relentless against clowns like Granville?”

    Is it good doctor AS I AM PARTIALLY DISCERNING IN MY SPIRIT THAT “epieikes” is only a state to be shared with true brothers or sisters in Christ?

    But, and I will continue with my follow through with that bouncer, since these stragglers, of whom I try hard not to number, are sinners, is it not the correct position and action to seek outreach with these sinners and practice “epieikes” to them/us?

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  • Finally, yesterday, I sinned!

    We all sin but the thing about sin is that, once we ask forgiveness for our sin(s), and we are earnest in that repentance, WHEN WE ARE EFFECTING THE ACT THEREAFTER, WE KNOW THAT IT IS WRONG!

    I am a practical ole man Dr. GP who, while I can fool people around me, acknowledge that I CANNOT FOOL MYSELF, and certainly not OUR GOD!

    So, as I read your comment I knew self indictment.

    And I quote

    “…(ii) The one thing that the New Testament does say about the Second Coming is that it will be as sudden as the lightning and as unexpected as a thief in the night (Matthew 24:27; Matthew 24:37; Matthew 24:39; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10)…”

    So i wondered “what if, in the middle of that sin, (be it rum, woman, song, drugs, apostasy etc) WHAT IF HE HAD COME THEN?”

    So, I am convicted of the wrong of the act but the issue is that in reviewing the matter, one is left with a feeling of guilt AS YOU WORK THROUGH YOU PERSONAL SALVATION WITH FEAR & TREMBLING”

    So Dr. GP, de ole man going shift from exegesis to practicum FOR TODAY’S LESSON

    I will be the one who, in sharing this matter with you here, will be the magnet.

    Forgive me for seeking your practical comments (and guidance) as one of those “who has sinned and come short of the Glory of God”

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  • Your assistance please Honourable Blogmaster

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  • Jesus Christ was the personification of God in Man, with an emphasis on Man. His lesson is we can be like him and have God within.
    To understand second coming of Jesus you need to study reincarnation from Buddhism. Buddha was a prince who was due to be a warrior and king but when he saw death illness old age suffering he left the palace and became an ascetic who developed his spiritual ability to understand and help people. To understand background of Buddhism you need to study story of Diwali and Hindu Gods

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  • Many lives have we had Arjuna, I remember them all, but thou dost not…

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  • @ the Honourable Blogmaster your assistance please with an item here for the second time.

    De ole man would “see” the depth of my fellow myope and apostate by submitting self for his comment and insight!

    “Are you a sinner Blogmaster, when last did you sin?”

    If Christ returned now, would’st thou be ready?

    Especially if your “sin” was freshly auctioned?

    Please post!

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  • “Much of the imagery attached to the Second Coming is Jewish, part of the traditional apparatus of the last things in the ancient Jewish mind. There are many things which we are not meant to take literally. But the great truth behind all the temporary pictures of the Second Coming is that this world is not purposeless but going somewhere, that there is one divine far-off event to which the whole creation moves.”

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    That has always been my point, not just about the Second Coming but about the entire Bible. We must place it in its context. We must understand who the writers of the Bible were before we can understand what they meant and how literally we are to take it. We must understand that though they were inspired by their encounters with God, their minds were not taken over by the Holy Spirit. Therefore we must learn to separate what was from God and what was distorted by the limitations of man’s understanding at the time.

    And this is why I love the Anglican Church because this is what we do, at least at Codrington College. We never cease to re-examine and re-evaluate our positions. We know that God does not change but scholarly study and sometimes the revelations of science leads us to change our understanding of what God meant.

    We are not static in our beliefs but ever learning more about who God really is. But we do not change our beliefs without serious evidence and strong arguments and we do it gradually so our older congregants can be brought along. They must have time to understand, absorb and assimilate. Or else they are likely to flounder.

    And that, i think, explains our bishop’s recent pronouncement on gay marriage.

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  • PS. Forgot to mention that we must also take note of whom the writers of the Bible were writing FOR and TO.

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  • @Donna February 9, 2020 8:18 AM ” But we do not change our beliefs without serious evidence and strong arguments and we do it gradually so our older congregants can be brought along. They must have time to understand, absorb and assimilate. Or else they are likely to flounder.”

    As an “older congregant” of the Anglican church I object to this ageist statement. Would you be so kind as to present your evidence that older people need more time to understand, to absorb, and to assimilate? What evidence do you have that we are more likely to spiritually or intellectually flounder than younger people?

    What if we need canes, walkers or wheelchairs but our spirits and our brains are as strong as ever? And more experienced to boot?

    What if you have just absorbed society’s rampant ageism?

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  • Silly Woman,

    I do not consider you the average person. You spend a whole lot of time thinking. You also seem to have no agenda but truth. You have love in your heart and common sense in your head. You are also very well read.

    However, I do understand your objection.

    But…..there is a reason why we refer to older people as being set in their ways. If one has believed something for many many years it is difficult to let go of it. One does tend to become more close minded. It is comfortable to believe what one has always believed and very uncomfortable to think that one has been wrong for so long. One then has to look back at one’s whole life to see where mistakes were made due to a misconception or where harm may have been caused to another person.

    I have had close friendships with many old people, even centenarians. All my grandmother’s friends were my friends. And until recently, my whole life revolved around dealing with young people.

    I KNOW that young people are generally more open minded than older people from my many deep conversations with them. That is what I do. I have no time for gossip. Any conversation with me is usually about ideas. Young people have not yet fully formed their opinions. They are still searching. Older folk have generally made up their minds.

    Take for instance my father, with whom I recently had such a conversation. He is a very intelligent man who, by the way, studied Latin AND Greek (that was meant for Piece). I argued a position with him that though he admitted had merit to him intellectually, he found hard to accept because of deep rooted feelings that have their origins in his long held beliefs. But he’ll get there. I heard it in his voice. He’s not so sure anymore.

    Now take the eighteen year old i had a conversation with two years ago. Never met the young lady before that day. She espoused the same beliefs as my father. In the course of a ten minute conversation she admitted the validity of my argument and seemed open to taking a new position. She actually seemed relieved to question what she had been taught.

    That’s just the way it is. It is also very understandable. There is no insult here because there is no criticism.

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  • If logic is taken into consideration the “first coming of Jesus would have been at the time of his birth by Mary called the Incarnation
    The second coming would have been at the time of his Resurrection
    Now if logic prevails then another return of Jesus should so be considered “the Third “return of Jesus
    But then logic should not be considered part of reasoning according to literalist bible scholars

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  • “PS. Forgot to mention that we must also take note of whom the writers of the Bible were writing FOR and TO.”

    Religions are social rules or laws on how to behave

    Abrahamic faiths believe in same God but have describe different aspects for worship
    Jews believe in following their old traditions and dietary rules
    Christians believe God can manifest in Man
    Muslims believe in collective prayer

    “But then logic should not be considered part of reasoning according to literalist bible scholars”

    Maybe your interpretation needs further thinking for review or understanding

    was Jesus’ soul resurrected and lived on in Man
    is the Second Coming of Jesus the Second Coming of God (but don’t call it a comeback)

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  • Vincent Codrington

    Wuh loss!!

    So many perspectives ! And we all think we are correct. It is a good thing that God is a god of Diversity and He has dwelling places for all of us.

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  • @Vincent

    You mean the Creator right?

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  • @Vincent Codrington February 9, 2020 11:11 AM. “It is a good thing that God is a god of Diversity and He has dwelling places for all of us.”

    In the father’s house are many mansions, and I know that one is reserved for me and one for you too Vincent.

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  • Donna I may have grown up in a different community. In my community homosexals were accepted as ordinary people, not special people but ordinary people. members of the church or not, members of the church Army or not, oedinary workers, teachers etc.

    i was not until I went to the great white north that I learned that homosexuality was a “dirty secret”

    And now the people from the north are trying to teach us how to be ordinary decent human beings?

    I am not sure where our bishop grew up, but I kinda wish that he had grow up in my rural village.

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  • David, God and the creator is the same, the Creator and God is the same.

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  • One Creator, many gods.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    You must have read in the Good Book/Library : ” Hear O Israel the Lord your God Is ONE.”

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  • If there are no mansions for atheists, is that religious discrimination…

    I suspect, there will be a lot of lawyers with me. I gine sue.

    Replies are not encouraged

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  • So many religions, so many gods defined by cultural. The blogmaster has observed all the debates before, in the early days there were rollicking debates. To each his own.

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  • Re Piece the Legend
    February 9, 2020 3:31 AM
    “…IN THE ORDINARY GREEK…!”

    Note that the NT was written in the koine or ordinary greek that was the language of commerce and the universal language at the time of Christ and the beginning of the current church age

    SERIOUS STUDENTS OF THE SCRIPTURES OWN A STRONG’S CONCORDANCE, WHICH LISTS EVERY TIME A WORD IS USED IN THE BIBLE, AND DIFFERENTIATES THE USE OF EACH ENGLISH WORD BY A NUMBER

    SERIOUS STUDENTS OF THE SCRIPTURES POSESS BOOKS ON WORD STUDIES BY BARCLAY OR WUEST OR VINE OR ZODIATES

    THIS ENABLES STUDIES LIKE THIS ONE ON THE GREEK VERB “TELEO” TO complete, conclude
    John 19:30 – It is finished
    Teleo – complete, conclude
    1. Luke 2:39 – when they had performed all things according to the law
    Nothing more to be done. performed all the requirements of the law.
    2. Mat 17:24 – Doth not your Master pay tribute
    Nothing more to pay. – payment made by giving precious blood
    3. Mat 11:1 – And it came to pass when Jesus had (made an end ) of commanding his 12 disciples
    Nothing more to be said. Made an end of our sins and guilt
    4. Luke 22:37 – All that is written must be accomplished

    Recently I posted on the three different greek words for “appear” in Hebrews 9
    Interestingly there are three greek words used in the NT for “wine”
    There is “glukos” from which we get our English word glucose; this speaks of unfermented grape juice
    There is “onios”: the fermented or alcohol containing wine
    And there is one translated “fruit of the vine”

    HERE we comment on the New Testament usage of three different words to describe the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

    Re it is easy to absorb filth AND RUN FROM THE REFINED WATER OF LIFE!
    THIS IS VERY TRUE Piece

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  • re It is a good thing that God is a god of Diversity and He has dwelling places for all of us.
    WHERE IS THIS FOUND IN THE BIBLE?

    RE In the father’s house are many mansions, and I know that one is reserved for me and one for you too Vincent.
    WHERE IS THIS FOUND IN THE BIBLE?
    TO WHOM WAS JOHN 14:1-3 SAID
    IS NOT JOHN 14 PART OF THE UPPER ROOM DISCOURSE…….AT THE END OF CHRIST’S PUBLIC MINISTRY IN JOHN 11-12?

    RE If there are no mansions for atheists, is that religious discrimination
    What does John 1:12 say? What does John 1:12 mean?

    John 1:12 reads 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    re One Creator, many gods.

    WHAT DOES PSALM 115 SAY ABOUT THIS?

    Psalm 115
    1 Not to us, Lord, not to us
    but to your name be the glory,
    because of your love and faithfulness.

    2 Why do the nations say,
    “Where is their God?”
    3 Our God is in heaven;
    he does whatever pleases him.
    4 But their idols are silver and gold,
    made by human hands.
    5 They have mouths, but cannot speak,
    eyes, but cannot see.
    6 They have ears, but cannot hear,
    noses, but cannot smell.
    7 They have hands, but cannot feel,
    feet, but cannot walk,
    nor can they utter a sound with their throats.
    8 Those who make them will be like them,
    and so will all who trust in them.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Pieces, with due respect senor but u can’t scathingly attack Peter or Shaka or Mary or Shakira as ‘un-true’ “brothers or sisters in Christ” and then wantonly praise George or Margie as true brethren.

    That’s the highest form of hypocrisy possible.

    Pray tell what makes the deep scholarly definitions and derivations of important words so special in sermonizing !

    Let me be clear…. what I mean is that these words were first used long ago and in the context of understanding the teachings of God have been refined and defined over and over… I simply am amazed therefore that you would use such a trope to initiate another attack.

    Don’t you get it that it’s ok to strongly disagree with @Grenville without demeaning the man’s faith or connection to his Lord!

    How is your and this scholar’s continued scathing attacks ANY DIFFERENT to the vulgar take down of Mormon Mitt Romney on HIS FAITH by a dude who is ‘so constant’ (steeupse) with his appreciation of the Lord’s word that he vigorously breaks the basic commandments EVERY FREAKING day !

    I may not subscribe to or appreciate the tenets of the Latter Day Saints of Mr Romney but that does not mean I will demean the man’s faith!

    And just as I appreciate your abilities good sir and your awesome activism I absolutely do not get how you can swing from pillar to post with this level of hypocrisy so easily.

    Lata.

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  • You have to determine your own individual spirituality or truth(s) that resonate with you whatever that is in ritual of life
    God is your understanding of the Universe, Mother Nature, your higher source and purpose in life to live until you die

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  • I do not demean people for the religious views or principles as long as they observe a basic teaching of spirituality
    Love God with all your heart
    Love/do unto your neighbour / others as u want done to yourself
    All the other high level thinking preached as religion i disregard because when logical thinking is used as interpretation answers become muddled and confused to the mind
    Hence bible literalist find themselves preaching a religionist view to which is selfserving unto themselves instead teaching mankind
    and directing them towards a path of spirituality

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  • @ GP February 9, 2020 12:04 PM

    It seems that this doctor of divinity has an answer to every religious ailment under the Sun; except ONE.

    Why are you so afraid of answering that ‘nagging niggling’ question posed by Piece de Legend sometime back which you seem to be ducking like one of the proverbial plagues Yahweh visited upon the Egyptians especially the one during the Passover?

    He simply asked you: How many Gods created mankind aka Adam?

    If we were to go by the clearly articulated claim in the Jewish book of myths and legends then the only conclusion to be reached is that Yahweh is one of ‘Many’ sent by the Divine architect to do an engineering job called life on Mother Earth.

    “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..”

    Does that statement suggest that God looks like a man (or more reproductively possible a female) who can be any human being made under the Sun?

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  • HEAR THE WORDS OF THE PATHETIC BRIMBLER AND BIBLE ILLITERATE

    what makes the deep scholarly definitions and derivations of important words so special in sermonizing !

    FOR 50 YEARS LISTENING TO, AND READING THE SERMONS OF SERIOUS SOUND SCRIPTURAL SCHOLARS IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT deep scholarly definitions and derivations of important words so special in sermonizing

    IN ANY SERMON , DISCUSSION OR CONVERSATION, WORDS ARE IMPORTANT
    EVEN A FOOL KNOWS THAT! EVEN MORONS KNOW THAT

    SINCE THE BIBLE IS A TRANSLATED BIBLE FROM A VERY EXACT LANGUAGE (GREEK) OR IN THE CASE OF HEBREW, A LANGUAGE WITH WORDS THAT HAVE TWO ROOTS deep scholarly definitions and derivations of important words IS VERY special in sermonizing

    EXAMPLE GENESIS 2
    16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    DID OUR FOREPARENTS DIE IMMEDIATELY? SO ARE THESE VERSES A CONTRADICTION? HOW CAN THIS BE RESOLVED EXCEPT BY A DETAILED AND RIGOUROUS EXAMINATION OF THE WORD “DIE” AS USED THROUGHOUT THE SCRIPTURES.

    WHAT DOES THE HEBREW REALLY SAY? “DYING THOU SHALL DIE.”

    EXAMPLE GENESIS 4

    6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

    7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

    WHAT DOES sin lieth at the door. MEAN?
    IT IS WELL KNOW BY HEBREW SCHOLARS THAT THE SAME ROOT WORD USE FOR SIN IS THE SAME WORD USED FOR SIN OFFERING

    HENCE if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. I.E THE SIN OFFERING THAT YOU WERE TAUGHT TO BRING AS YOUR BROTHER DID LIES OUT SIDE THE DOOR OF YOUR TENT

    COMPARE THIS WITH 1 CORINTHIANS 5:21

    For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
    WAS NOT JESUS THE SIN OFFERING PREDICTED SO TO DO THROUGHOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT IN SEVERAL TYPES?

    EXAMPLE GENESIS 6
    14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
    THE ARK WAS pitched within and without with pitch.
    IS THIS NOT THE SAME HEBREW WORD TRANSLATED COVERING AND ATONEMENT?

    RE Let me be clear…. what I mean is that these words were first used long ago and in the context of understanding the teachings of God have been refined and defined over and over…

    SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING EXCEPT THAT YOU ARE A BIBLE ILLITERATE JUST AS YOU WERE WHEN YOU SOUGHT TO CONTRADICT ME ABOUT CERVICAL INJURIES AND EMERGENCY POST MORTEMS

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  • PATHETIC BRIMBLER

    How is your and this scholar’s continued scathing attacks ANY DIFFERENT to the vulgar take down of Mormon Mitt Romney on HIS FAITH by a dude who is ‘so constant’ (steeupse) with his appreciation of the Lord’s word that he vigorously breaks the basic commandments EVERY FREAKING day !

    ENUMERATE WITH REFERENCES HOW AND WHICH basic commandments ARE BROKEN DAILY

    WHICH COMMANDMENT IN THE WORD OF GOD IS BROKEN BY CONSTANTLY PROCLAIMING THAT (NON( SOLUTIONS BARBADOS HAS NO SOLUTIONS FOR BARBADOS

    IS IT NOT WRITTEN IN James 4:17 therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    FOR ME NOT TO DECLARE AND PROCLAIM THIS OBVIOUS TRUTH THAT I KNOW WOULD BE SIN uh lie?

    why do you mock my “appreciation of the Lord’s word”?
    and who cares about the the vulgar take down of Mormon Mitt Romney on HIS FAITH
    your word salad sentence wants refurbishing, dont you think?

    still waiting for bird brain to enter stage left

    cant believe that we started with a few simple observations about the second coming

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  • @Mariposa February 9, 2020 12:30 PM “Love God with all your heart. Love/do unto your neighbour/others as u want done to yourself.”

    Signs and wonders. It gotta be the last days in truth.

    Mariposa has actually written something which is both SENSIBLE and the TRUTH.

    The end in nigh.

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  • RE Piece the LegendFebruary 9, 2020 3:43 AM

    “…The word translated “forbearance” is epieikes which means the spirit that is more ready to offer forgiveness than to demand justice.

    The writer to the Hebrews demands mutual help, mutual Christian fellowship, mutual encouragement because the day is coming near (Hebrews 10:24-25).

    Many of your detractors WILL COME HERE TODAY AND SAY

    “…How comes it that you can speak of epieikes yet be so relentless against clowns like Granville?”

    BEING RELENTLESS IN POINTING OUT THE FAULTS AND FALLACIES THAT Granville IS INDEED mutual help, mutual Christian fellowship, mutual encouragement IT IS MY FAULT THAT HE IS SO INTO HIS SELF DEFENCE THAT HE CANT APPRECIATE GOOD ADVICE

    Is it good doctor AS I AM PARTIALLY DISCERNING IN MY SPIRIT THAT “epieikes” is only a state to be shared with true brothers or sisters in Christ?
    INDEED ! ONE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THE NT EPISTLES WERE WRITTEN TO BELIEVERS

    RE is it not the correct position and action to seek outreach with these sinners and practice “epieikes” to them/us?

    PERHAPS THIS VERSE FROM A SECOND COMING CHAPTER IS VERY INSTRUCTIVE
    2 Peter 3:9, “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” … He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.”

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  • @ GP February 9, 2020 12:53 PM
    “IN ANY SERMON , DISCUSSION OR CONVERSATION, WORDS ARE IMPORTANT
    EVEN A FOOL KNOWS THAT! EVEN MORONS KNOW THAT..”
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    So should we modern humans (including you) follow to the letter of the Biblical laws?
    If so, please explain to the BU fools and morons the following instructions from Yahweh so well documented in the same holy book containing the complete and perfect words of God as commanded in:
    Leviticus 15:19-33

    19 “Whenever a woman has her menstrual period, she will be ceremonially unclean for seven days. Anyone who touches her during that time will be unclean until evening.
    20 Anything on which the woman lies or sits during the time of her period will be unclean.
    21 If any of you touch her bed, you must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening.
    22 If you touch any object she has sat on, you must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening.
    23 This includes her bed or any other object she has sat on; you will be unclean until evening if you touch it.
    24 If a man has sexual intercourse with her and her blood touches him, her menstrual impurity will be transmitted to him. He will remain unclean for seven days, and any bed on which he lies will be unclean.
    25 “If a woman has a flow of blood for many days that is unrelated to her menstrual period, or if the blood continues beyond the normal period, she is ceremonially unclean. As during her menstrual period, the woman will be unclean as long as the discharge continues.
    26 Any bed she lies on and any object she sits on during that time will be unclean, just as during her normal menstrual period.
    27 If any of you touch these things, you will be ceremonially unclean. You must wash your clothes and bathe yourself in water, and you will remain unclean until evening.
    28 “When the woman’s bleeding stops, she must count off seven days. Then she will be ceremonially clean.
    29 On the eighth day she must bring two turtledoves or two young pigeons and present them to the priest at the entrance of the Tabernacle.
    30 The priest will offer one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. Through this process, the priest will purify her before the LORD for the ceremonial impurity caused by her bleeding.
    31 “This is how you will guard the people of Israel from ceremonial uncleanness. Otherwise they would die, for their impurity would defile my Tabernacle that stands among them.
    32 These are the instructions for dealing with anyone who has a bodily discharge—a man who is unclean because of an emission of semen
    33 or a woman during her menstrual period. It applies to any man or woman who has a bodily discharge, and to a man who has sexual intercourse with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.”

    Of course we all know you will be avoiding this ‘bloody issue’ in the same ‘very’ way men are instructed by Yahweh to avoid their women like the plague during that taboo time of the month with a monthly plaque posted: ‘Closed for any dirty deposits; Come back in 8 days time’.

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  • The end id nigh.

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  • RE We must understand that though they were inspired by their encounters with God, their minds were not taken over by the Holy Spirit. Therefore we must learn to separate what was from God and what was distorted by the limitations of man’s understanding at the time.

    SO HOW MUST 2Tim. 3 Verses 16 to 17 BE INTERPRETED?
    WHAT DOES ALL MEAN?
    WHAT DOES INSPIRATION OR GOD BREATHED MEAN?
    [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    WHAT DOES 1 PETER 1:21 MEAN?
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

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  • “SINCE THE BIBLE IS A TRANSLATED BIBLE FROM A VERY EXACT LANGUAGE (GREEK) OR IN THE CASE OF HEBREW, A LANGUAGE WITH WORDS THAT HAVE TWO ROOTS deep scholarly definitions and derivations of important words IS VERY special in sermonizing”

    what is the hebrew word and meaning of virgin
    young girl

    Mary was 14 Joseph was 91

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  • MillerFebruary 9, 2020 1:27 PM

    HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF DISPENSATIONS?
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS?

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  • Leviticus 15: 28 “When the woman’s bleeding stops, she must count off seven days. Then she will be ceremonially clean.

    Some devout Orthodox Jewish women still go to the rabbi so that he can certify her ritually clean, the rest ‘o we women in the world just do our own thing, because we no that no man has ever had a period and incompetemt to instruct women of periods becausin’ he only going on hearsay.

    As a girl growing up I always found it very, very strange that the Anglican church “churched”/ritually cleansed women after childbirth. I asked my priest why men were not churched/ritually cleansed after intercourse/impregnation a woman. He thought that that I was rude and did he not have an answer for me. I was a teenager then, and that is when i stopped taking advice from men whom I realised were almost entirely self interested.

    he rule above essentially forbids women to abstain from sex for about half of their reproductive life, frees the man to use that as an excuse to have multiple wives. It is a rule that could only have been made by men for the convenience of men.

    Is there a rule in any religion anywhere which forbids men from having sex for half of their reproductive lives?

    If there is such a rule in any religion anywhere I would appreciate it if the BU intelligentsia would point it out to me.

    Thanks.

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  • GPFebruary 9, 2020 1:34 PM

    RE We must understand that though they were inspired by their encounters with God, their minds were not taken over by the Holy Spirit. Therefore we must learn to separate what was from God and what was distorted by the limitations of man’s understanding at the time.

    SO HOW MUST 2Tim. 3 Verses 16 to 17 BE INTERPRETED?
    WHAT DOES ALL MEAN?
    WHAT DOES INSPIRATION OR GOD BREATHED MEAN?
    [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    WHAT DOES 1 PETER 1:21 MEAN?
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I really see no conflict there. One can be moved by the Spirit without getting every last word and meaning right. It’s really about the main points. All scripture can be good for instruction even with cultural influences embedded. Used them all to instruct my son. He’s turning out fine but is not wedded to the cultural influences of the people of those times that would cause him to discriminate against others.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    This is really a lesson in evolutionary religion. “And whatever man named them, that was their name”.

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  • Simple Simon,

    I have been thinking that it is good for older folks to be set in their ways and ideas. It makes for a more stable society. It is also good for the young to be more open-minded. It drives progress. It is a good mix. Change should be gradual or life would be chaotic. Change should also not be made for the sake of it but for good reasons. And so it is right that change be made only after serious consideration and evidence. But progress is vital or we would not survive.

    And so the old and the young each serve a vital role.

    Sweet!

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  • 2Tim. 3 Verses 16 means simply that God’s word was given to the writers like dictation.

    Usually the writers did not have a clue what they were talking about

    re One can be moved by the Spirit without getting every last word and meaning right.HOW COULD THIS BE SO?
    THIS IS CONTRARY TO THE WORD. IN FACT THE AUTHORS HAD TO GET EVEN THE VERY WORDS AND LETTERS CORRECT OR ELSE THE THOUGHTS WOULD BE DESTROYED IN SOME CASES THE WORD ORDER IS IMPORTANT
    I
    E.G IN 1 Corinthians 1:26
    26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
    NOTE THAT IT not many RATHER THAN NOT “ANY”

    Galatians 3:16 SAYS
    Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    THE PROMISE OF THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT WAS MADE UNTO HIS “SEED” NOT UNTO “SEEDS”

    MISINTERPRETATION OF THIS IS THE CAUSE OF THE CHAOS IN THE MIDDLE EAST

    GENESIS 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

    IT SAYS God will provide himself a lamb NOT God will provide a lamb himself IN OTHER WORDS THE PROVIDED LAMB WOULD BE GOD c.f John 1:29 inter alia

    RE It’s really about the main points.

    REALLY? CAN YOU SUPPORT THIS BY 20 SCRIPTURES OR ANY SCRIPTURES AT ALL?

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  • Silly WomanFebruary 9, 2020 1:50 PM

    Leviticus 15: 28 “When the woman’s bleeding stops, she must count off seven days. Then she will be ceremonially clean.

    Some devout Orthodox Jewish women still go to the rabbi so that he can certify her ritually clean, the rest ‘o we women in the world just do our own thing, because we no that no man has ever had a period and incompetemt to instruct women of periods becausin’ he only going on hearsay.

    As a girl growing up I always found it very, very strange that the Anglican church “churched”/ritually cleansed women after childbirth. I asked my priest why men were not churched/ritually cleansed after intercourse/impregnation a woman. He thought that that I was rude and did he not have an answer for me. I was a teenager then, and that is when i stopped taking advice from men whom I realised were almost entirely self interested.

    he rule above essentially forbids women to abstain from sex for about half of their reproductive life, frees the man to use that as an excuse to have multiple wives. It is a rule that could only have been made by men for the convenience of men.

    Is there a rule in any religion anywhere which forbids men from having sex for half of their reproductive lives?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And of course there is the creation story which sets the pecking order. When the man listened to the woman all hell broke lose. Therefore man should NEVER listen to women. Men need to be boss! And woman should take her place without complaint because it was all her fault.

    Soooo from the first book I saw the male agenda coming through. And on it went from there.

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  • We have already established that you and i have different perspectives on the Bible. I do not use the Bible to prove the Bible.

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  • RE I do not use the Bible to prove the Bible.

    that does not make sense
    all serious sound scriptural students I HAVE READ use the Bible to prove the Bible.BECAUSE THE BIBLE IS THE BEST COMMENTARY ON THE BIBLE

    its no different to using a theorem to prove another theorem

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  • @ GP February 9, 2020 1:37 PM
    “HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF DISPENSATIONS?
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS?”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Not Biblical “DISPENSATIONS”.

    But we know there are many meat-hungry and cat-loving men who break the red lights very often.

    So when is your Yahweh going to grant a ‘Dispensation’ for men to have sex with men (just like women can without it being an abomination) the same way it is legally allowed today in the country which gave you the King James version of the Bible?

    We are sure your main man Paul- the ex-executioner of Christians- would be forgiving enough to turn a ‘blind’ eye and let bygones be bygones by allowing men to love another instead of allowing themselves to be consumed with uncontrollably burning desire; like David and Jonathan.

    Same thing applies to women as a show of his love for the women preaching in his church.

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  • “that does not make sense
    all serious sound scriptural students I HAVE READ use the Bible to prove the Bible.BECAUSE THE BIBLE IS THE BEST COMMENTARY ON THE BIBLE”

    You are using Christian propaganda to prove Christian propaganda

    it’s like using American propaganda to prove American propaganda

    or Israel propaganda to prove Israel propaganda

    USA UK Israel create problems in ME with Wars and Black Ops and use proxies for false flags and stirring up troubles

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  • RE And that, i think, explains our bishop’s recent pronouncement on gay marriage.

    i THOUGHT THAT THE BIBLE WAS THE SOLE AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND PRACTICE

    Q. What does the Bible say about gay marriage.

    “Same Sex Marriage and the Word of God” Matthew 19:1-6
    the homosexual agenda. I define marriage as “the joining together of a
    man and a woman to bring the next generation into the world and
    provide those children with mothers and fathers who will assume unique obligations and responsibilities
    I. Homosexuality is a Moral Problem (Lev 18:22)
    II. Homosexuality is a Spiritual Problem (Mark 7:21)
    III. Homosexuality is a Social Problem (1 Kgs 14:24)
    IV. Homosexuality is a Solvable Problem (1 Cor 6:9-11)

    From the comments about Bible issues (not religion) one wonders How many of you believe the Bible is the Word of God?
    “The Word of God” 1 Peter 1:23-25
    23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

    25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
    I. The Bible Is Incontestable
    II. The Bible Is Incorruptible
    III. The Bible Is Indestructible
    IV. The Bible Is Indispensable
    A. Provides Our Message
    B. Provides Our Methods

    How to Understand the Bible” James 1:21-25

    21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and [a]overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

    22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

    I. Welcome the Word of God with a Repentant Heart
    II. Welcome the Word of God with a Receptive Heart
    III. Welcome the Word of God with a Responsive Heart
    IV. Welcome the Word of God with a Reflective Heart

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  • GPFebruary 10, 2020 1:27 PM

    RE And that, i think, explains our bishop’s recent pronouncement on gay marriage.

    i THOUGHT THAT THE BIBLE WAS THE SOLE AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND PRACTICE
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Nope! You are sending me to my books.The Bible is our starting point but .

    The Bible
    The tradition of the Church
    Reason.
    The current experiences of Christians

    PS. You asked Vincent where in the Bible it says that God is a God of diversity. Do we really need the Bible for that? Look at his creation! We believe that God is also revealed in His creation. Whatever else He is, He sure ain’t boring and monochromatic or mono ANYTHING.

    Also, one cannot say “The Bible is true because the Bible says that it is true”. That is a circular argument that would not be accepted in any sphere. And so to say that the Bible says that it was written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit almost like dictation does not in any way prove that it is so. Obviously the writers would like to think and convey that. But how would they really know? Did they hear a voice in their heads? Were their hands moving as though remote controlled? Did they go into a trance and return to full consciousness and find they had written it? How did this inspiration manifest itself?

    Question – Do you believe in demon possession and exorcism or do you, like me, think of such manifestations as mental disorders to be treated by medical science? This is one area where science has enlightened us beyond the understanding of the time.

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  • GPFebruary 10, 2020 1:27 PM

    RE And that, i think, explains our bishop’s recent pronouncement on gay marriage.

    i THOUGHT THAT THE BIBLE WAS THE SOLE AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND PRACTICE
    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Nope! That is our starting point. You are sending me in search of my books.

    The Bible
    The traditions of the Church
    Reason
    The current experience of Christians

    PS. You asked Vincent where in the Bible it says that God is a God of diversity. Look at His creation. God is revealed in nature as well. Think outside of the Bible. There is evidence of God outside of that one book. It is not the be all and the end all.

    Also, to say that the Bible is true because the Bible says that it is true is a circular argument that would not hold in any other context. That is why one cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible. One cannot ask what does the Bible say about what the Bible says and expect that to have any weight.

    So “the Bible says that it was written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit like dictation’

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  • Donna
    re i THOUGHT THAT THE BIBLE WAS THE SOLE AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND PRACTICE
    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Nope! That is our starting point. You are sending me in search of my books.

    The Bible
    The traditions of the Church
    Reason
    The current experience of Christians

    BUT DONNA DEAREST, The Bible PRECEDED THE CHURCH—-AT LEAST THE OT DID! AS WELL AS The traditions of the Church & The current experience of Christians.

    THINK ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE.
    EVEN MARTIN LUTHER BELIEVED AND TAUGHT “SOLO BIBLIO”

    wHEN YOU SAY The traditions of the Church, WHICH TRADITIONS DO YOU MEAN?
    ON WHAT IS TRADITION BASED? TEACHING? DOGMA? REASON?

    IS THAT NOT THE CAUSE FOR THE SEVERAL “DENOMINATIONS”
    DOES NOT EVERY DENOMINATION HAVE ITS OWN TRADITIONS, TEACHING, OR DOGMA AND REASON?

    WOULD IT NOT BE BETTER IF ALL SINCERELY SOUGHT TO FOLLOW THE SACRED CANON OF SCRIPTURE?

    RE PS. You asked Vincent where in the Bible it says that God is a God of diversity. Look at His creation. God is revealed in nature as well. I KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN WATCHING DOCUMENTARIES FOR YEARS ON BOTH THE MACROSCOPIC AND MICROSCOPIC CREATION.
    That there is evidence of God outside of the Bible is even stated in the Bible at Psalm 19:1……..”the heavens declare the glory of God and and the firmament sheweth his handywork..

    That is not the diversity that I was speaking of. I certainly dont believe in a diversity of Gods

    Now out of these parameters you cite
    The Bible
    The traditions of the Church
    Reason
    The current experience of Christians

    only the Bible is unchanging (I Peter 1:25=> But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

    When I was an ardent Anglican the 39 articles in the prayer book were the Anglican distinctives, and we studied them prior to “confirmation.”

    More later

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  • There is no second coming of Christ. There was no first coming of Christ.

    It’s OK if you want to spend your eighty years loving a Jewish mason from the eastern Mediterranean two millennia ago.

    Just don’t bother the literate grown-ups with it.

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  • Donna
    HERE BASICALLY IS HOW WE DIFFER

    BAPTIST DISTINCTIVES——-easy to remember using the acronym BAPTISTS.
    Bible – the soul authority for faith and practice

    Autonomy or independence of the local church

    Priesthood of all believers

    T wo offices –
    Pastor
    Deacon

    Individual soul liberty and responsibility

    Separation of Church & State

    Two ordinances
    Believer’s Baptism by immersion
    Lord’s Supper

    Saved, baptized and serving members

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  • Less than 30% of world are Christians (less than 2% are Jewish) but God is creator of all.

    The Bible is a just guide to spirituality in same way Jesus was and is a useful learning tool.

    Reconciling the bible with the bible is a futile time wasting exercise as it the same data being checked against itself.

    GP cannot see the woods from the trees and reviews his bible with traits of OCD.

    Adults need to find and determine their own individual spirituality, values, purpose, direction and relationship with God.

    People are not robots who must conform to what others say.

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  • Jesus did not produce the Bible or the Church, it was done by his followers after his death.
    He was deemed a revolutionary threat and was killed for his ideas and Christianity became a radical underground movement.
    If Jesus developed or established a faith he would probably refine his ideas as works of God are works in progress.
    He taught people gentiles and jews his concepts of God how to channel God and serve God and allow God to become a guide in life.

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  • GP,

    We will never agree on this and most readers have moved on and so it makes very little sense for me to expound on my point. Suffice it to say that our differences will not lead us to opposite poles of the earth.

    555Dubstreet,

    Here it is that I am largely in agreement with you rather than GP. I am glad that you have found the evidence of which I spoke.

    “Reconciling the bible with the bible is a futile time wasting exercise as it the same data being checked against itself.”

    It just would not be accepted to do that in any sphere. The Bible must be tested against something other than itself.

    However there must be systematic study of the Bible and verses should not be extracted and paraded around without regard for context or the meaning will be distorted. GP knows the context. Grenville shows no regard for it. Therefore he will most likely not convey the message that was meant to be conveyed. This has nothing to do with whether or not we believe the message. It is just a matter of applying a systematic method that would be applicable to ANY communication whatsoever. We must take into consideration the context before we can determine if the message is transferable to us.

    If a letter is written specifically to the Philippians in Paul’s time and place, is it relevant or transferable to current Philippians of the Barbadian variety? This is the question that must be answered. Or more specifically which part is transferable and which part applies only to those to whom the letter was addressed?

    This requires systematic method.

    Helen,

    You are entitled to state your non belief. however, we are entitled to state our belief. I have no proof that God exists. You have no proof that he doesn’t. It has nothing to do with being literate. Apparently you do not even know the meaning of that word.

    David, the BLOGMASTER, has afforded GP the space on his blog. That too is his right. You have the right to click or not to click. Nobody forced you to click. But here it is that YOU want to impose YOUR will on GP and the blogmaster. That, I must tell you, is NOT your right. But you do have the right to remain silent if you have nothing sensible to say.

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  • DONNA
    RE GP,

    We will never agree on this and most readers have moved on and so it makes very little sense for me to expound on my point. Suffice it to say that our differences will not lead us to opposite poles of the earth.

    I AM NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF ANYTHING
    YOU STATED YOUR FOUR POINT POSITION AND I STATED THE BAPTIST DISTINCTIVES WHICH ARE DERIVED FROM THE BIBLE

    RE “Reconciling the bible with the bible is a futile time wasting exercise as it the same data being checked against itself.”

    It just would not be accepted to do that in any sphere. The Bible must be tested against something other than itself.

    THIS IS NOT AT ALL TRUE BECAUSE ASPECTS OF SCIENCE WHICH IS BASICALLY MAN’S DISCOVERY ARE TESTED AGAINST SCIENCE ALL THE TIME. THIS IS SO IN ALL BRANCHES OF SCIENCE.

    THAT IS HOW ANIMALS AND PLANTS AND MICROBES ARE CLASSIFIED UH LIE

    THIS IS HOW WE HAVE COMPARATIVE ANATOMY AND COMPARATIVE PHYSIOLOGY ETC

    EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD IS CHECKED AGAINST ITSELF OR WHAT IS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN

    I DONT CARE WHO AGREES WITH ME SINCE I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. 2 Timothy 1:12

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  • “If a letter is written specifically to the Philippians in Paul’s time and place, is it relevant or transferable to current Philippians of the Barbadian variety? This is the question that must be answered. Or more specifically which part is transferable and which part applies only to those to whom the letter was addressed?”

    Bible was written several centuries ago in underdeveloped places by people with underdeveloped minds who often exaggerated and embellished truths and would reframe or imagine stories any which way they chose.

    Biblical messages have become sayings idioms lessons and phrases in cultural language and adopted in stories and songs and adopted in thoughts of mind that can pop up to explain nuances of everyday life.

    Random Phrases can resonate with certain people in certain times in certain situations, maybe God or Spirit is guiding the thoughts.

    People follow their own path in life and will make decisions when they deem it is right time to do so.

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  • @ GP February 12, 2020 9:33 AM
    “THIS IS NOT AT ALL TRUE BECAUSE ASPECTS OF SCIENCE WHICH IS BASICALLY MAN’S DISCOVERY ARE TESTED AGAINST SCIENCE ALL THE TIME. THIS IS SO IN ALL BRANCHES OF SCIENCE.
    THAT IS HOW ANIMALS AND PLANTS AND MICROBES ARE CLASSIFIED UH LIE
    THIS IS HOW WE HAVE COMPARATIVE ANATOMY AND COMPARATIVE PHYSIOLOGY ETC
    EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD IS CHECKED AGAINST ITSELF OR WHAT IS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yet you still ‘believe’ that your Yahweh made the Universe in 6 days and he made two lights in the sky; one to rule the day and the other the night.

    As far as you are concerned the Sun still revolves around the Earth.

    If you truly believe that Yahweh made the universe then you ought to open your mind to the strong possibility that his ‘defective’ earthlings might just not be his favourite creatures.

    When the sons of God ‘mix with’ (“come in unto”) the daughters of men there could be wedding bells in heaven and baby nappies to change.

    Now that idea ought to keep your scientific juices flowing!

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  • “If you truly believe that Yahweh made the universe then you ought to open your mind to the strong possibility that his ‘defective’ earthlings might just not be his favourite creatures.”

    Was Jesus an alien who came on a spaceship.
    (A school of thought / theiry believes some such to explain Easter Island and other “alien” ruins found)

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