The following article was posted to the Financial Times and will be of interest to the BU family. Discuss for 10 marks.

 

-David, blogmaster

 

 


Barbados creditors fume at ‘absurd’ $27m advisory fees

 

“London-based boutique, White Oak, in line for payout for work on $7bn restructuring

“White Oak’s engagement letter was signed five days after Mia Mottley was sworn in as prime minister last year…”

May 9, 2019 8:30 pm by Colby Smith in New York

A little-known UK advisory firm stands to make about $27m from the restructuring of Barbados’s $7bn of debts — close to what Lazard earned seven years ago when it advised Greece on defaulted debt nearly 40 times bigger.

White Oak Advisory is a small firm with just two partners located opposite Claridge’s hotel in London’s Mayfair. The size of the fee it will receive from its work on the default has outraged the Caribbean island’s creditors.

“The fee is absurd given the size of the debt,” said Sean Newman, an Atlanta-based portfolio manager at Invesco and a member of the external committee of creditors. “I’ve never seen anything like this in my 20 years in the business.”

White Oak was founded a decade ago by Sebastian Espinosa, a former Houlihan Lokey banker, and David Nagoski, an ex-US Treasury Department official. It will earn about $27m from the bankrupt country, according to FT calculations. That is almost double what Ukraine paid for advice on its $18bn restructuring in 2015, according to people familiar with the deals.

The Bajan government hit back at the creditor criticism. “We believe it is excellent value for money given that through their efforts we have saved over $1bn of interest and principal. We would hire [White Oak] again.”

White Oak’s engagement letter indicates that the Bajan government agreed to pay the firm just over $21m for the successful restructuring of its roughly $5bn of domestic debts, excluding arrears. The letter was signed five days after Mia Mottley was sworn in as prime minister on May 25 last year, and two days before the government announced it was defaulting on its debts.

By any metric or rationale, the fee is outsized and unwarranted.

Sean Newman, Invesco
Negotiations with external creditors are ongoing. Once complete, the government is set to pay White Oak about $4m for restructuring approximately $910m of debt owed to foreign investors. The firm is also receiving an $85,000 monthly retainer.

It is likely to take at least another 12 months to finalise the deal, according to another person involved in the negotiations. The additional $2m in monthly fees brings the total payout from Barbados to roughly $27m.

“It is a disproportionate fee for a small country,” said one financial adviser.

“Barbados is not Greece, which had a massive debt stock, multiple debt instruments and huge political tensions,” the financial adviser said. “Double-digit fees are for very large transactions that are super complicated with a large number of instruments and a large number of different creditors.”

White Oak’s partners said the fee was justified because “placing this debt on a sustainable footing has required an unusually complex operation”. Its rates are “among the lowest charged in any Caribbean restructuring, again in relative terms”.

Barbados’s debts came to roughly 160 per cent of gross domestic product at the beginning of the restructuring in June last year, among the highest in the world.

Mr Espinosa and Mr Nagoski point out that their business in the country goes beyond the public restructuring and that they are not charging a fee for additional work. The pair say they are advising Barbados on several commercial contracts, as well as the restructuring of a number of state-owned enterprises and the country’s regional airline, of which the government is the largest shareholder.

However, few Caribbean debt restructurings have paid out fees in the tens of millions to financial advisers in recent years. Citigroup earned roughly $3m restructuring Jamaica’s $9bn of defaulted debts in 2013, and in Belize advisers were paid single-digit millions for the restructuring of more than $525m of debt in 2017, according to people familiar with both deals.

https://www.ft.com/content/164613a4-7234-11e9-bbfb-5c68069fbd15”

 

 

367 responses to “Two Man White Oak Making 27 Million from Restructuring Deal”

  1. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    When ya can’t see that YOURS and DLPs corruption COMBINED = YOUR OWN UNDOING…that says a lot.

  2. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    The Judgement by Justice Ventose is most welcome…let’s see if Barbados hardheaded, corrupt leaders…understands its connotations….or will pretend they don’t and continue to violate the constitution re the Rastafarian community because they know these people are unable to fight back..

    “Meanwhile, the government of St Kitts and Nevis has been given a time frame as of Friday [May 3] by a High Court judge Justice Eddy Ventose to amend the drug laws in the twin-island federation after determining at least two provisions of the Drugs Act were unconstitutional concerning possession and cultivation.”

    “By Caribbean News Now contributor

    BASSETERRE, St Kitts – In the midst of a media blast by Alki David and Chase Ergen having formed an international-regional consortium to invest in Caribbean cannabis aimed at developing cannabis businesses in the Eastern Caribbean nations such as St Kitts and Nevis, Dominica and Antigua, the billionaires were briefly detained after their private aircraft landed at St Kitts’ Robert L Bradshaw International Airport with a consignment of products relative to their new venture.

    “The plane landed just after 6 am Tuesday,” a source said “and after several hours in custody, the men were released due to an intervention by former prime minister, Denzil Douglas.

    “The arrest stemmed from a misunderstanding about the shipment [products] and its legality. The products included hemp clone plants, hemp seeds and Swissx CBD oil products—all legal, non-THC plant medicines. Among the nine persons onboard the plane was actor Jonathan Rhys Meyers” the source said.

    The consortium previously said plans include “purchasing agricultural land and partnering with farmers to create a cooperative entity modelled after the ones in Switzerland” and that “the first planeload of hemp seed destined for 300 acres in St Kitts and Nevis and Dominica arrives this week.”

    The international-regional consortium’s next stop is Dominica, which has expressed a very progressive view of legalization of cannabis.

    “We have no doubt we will be able to double their GDP’s within a matter of years as the region takes its rightful place in a market that is literally changing people’s lives,” David said, building a major cannabis-based business across several Eastern Caribbean islands.

    Meanwhile, the government of St Kitts and Nevis has been given a time frame as of Friday [May 3] by a High Court judge Justice Eddy Ventose to amend the drug laws in the twin-island federation after determining at least two provisions of the Drugs Act were unconstitutional concerning possession and cultivation.”

  3. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Piece

    Don’t worry. I just wanted to make it plain that their collective hypocrisy has now been exposed. They can no longer claim to have any interest other than protecting their duopoly.
    They will burn in the political hell. Ashes will be all that’s left in both George and Roebuck Streets.

  4. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Every minute of the last 7 years was worth it just to be there to witness the upcoming changes.

    it’s clear despite all the pretense and political hypocrisy, they still don’t know that they do not know….

    ….i guess when you spent decades keeping information from your own people…you too find yourself not knowing what ya should.


  5. White Oak has given Barbados value for money

    From Prof Avinash Persaud, Prime Minister’s Office, Barbados

    I am disturbed at the level of considered imbalance in your report “Barbados creditors fume at ‘absurd’ $27m advisory fees for boutique firm” (May 10). You refer to White Oak Advisory as a little-known advisory firm but neglect to point out that of the 14 sovereign restructurings in the world since 2005, White Oak has advised on seven of them, Lazards four and Citi one. It was an obvious choice for Barbados.

    The timing of your report is interesting. In uncommon transparency, Barbados published the terms of the contract and announced the level and ratio of the fees in parliament in March this year. The Financial Times chose to publish its story in the week that the International Monetary Fund mission is in Barbados, seven weeks later. Onlookers will see this timing as another attempt by external creditors to use public opinion to influence negotiations. We are not blinking.

    In your report, an external creditor suggests the fees are absurdly high because they are at the same level as those paid to Greece’s advisers where the debt was 40 times larger. We weigh costs with benefits. Following the domestic part of the debt restructuring, Barbados’ debt has fallen from 175 per cent of gross domestic product including arrears, the third highest in the world, to 125 per cent of GDP and is on track for less than 100 per cent. Greece’s debt remains the second highest in the world.

    The Greek restructuring programme imploded the economy, causing severe social deprivation and a banking crisis. White Oak was part of the team that ensured the Barbados economy and financial system was stable. We increased welfare and pension payments and ringfenced public health and education in the most shared economic adjustment programme in history. We have had value for money. We would hire White Oak again.

    Prof Avinash Persaud
    Special Envoy to the Prime Minister of Barbados on Investment and Financial Services, Prime Minister’s Office, Barbados

  6. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    A fair and measured response by Persaud. The Contract and the side letter were both laid in Parliament. Which is possibly where the opponents in the FT article, got their info in the first place. I still contend the “success fee” for the domestic debt was high. Then again, I had nothing to compare it to? re value for money. The 7 of 14 was news to me, I was only aware of 4.

  7. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “We would hire White Oak again.”

    This is the most horrifying part of Persaud of 4 Seasons SCAM letter to FT…why would they even need to hire WHITE HOAX AGAIN unless they TOO plan to leave the economy in a CORRUPT MESS AGAIN…which would require white hoax2.0

    some people are starting to think that white hoax is Persaud’s mess too.


  8. Would preferably belive anything written in the Financial Times over any defensive letter written by Persaud Avinash
    A man would left his messy finger prints all over Four Seasons
    The fact being that the investigation done by the Financial Times gives a clear perspective on how this govt blot with lightning speed to go about the business of not having the intelluctual foresight of looking for a well placed saving package that is complete and well grounded in barbados interest
    This govt says that White Oaks saves barbados billions
    However the question of how much White Oaks charges barbados remains a relevant concern


  9. @ Mariposa,

    You are right. The letter from our ‘special envoy’ (I did not realise that he is now a diplomat) is a poor excuse for a justification. It is not worth serious debate. It is financial nonsense.


  10. @NO

    Persaud takes some of the emotion from the debate. It is good to observe Barbados pushing against the establishment for a change.

  11. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    They would NEVER “push back” against the establishment otherwise..unless their own asses are on the line..

    They NEVER “”pushed” back against the SAME establishment when THEY (both governments) VIOLATED and MISUSED the Constitution to VIOLATE THE RIGHTS OF and ABUSE the civil rights of the Rastafarian community re use and cultivation if marijuanabnow did they…that “push back” was not important enough now was it..

    So in my opinion…this “push back” don’t count either cause it STINKS OF a CYA (cover ya ass) push back.


  12. Persaud’s letter is self-explanatory and is disinfectant to the toxicity of the likes of ASSTIN.
    The comment “We would hire White Oak again” is asinine and stupid.

  13. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Coming from a Dr. Ph.D envoy…wuhloss..Piece..


  14. Barbados cannot push against the establishment reason/s why Mia Mottley bows to the stringent austerity policies of the IMF while holding cap in hand begging at the door steps of international financial institutions
    The Financial times exposed how economically bankrupt this govt is of having policies in place to protect the country
    But moved with haste to pour millions of dollars on a two man little know advisors who purports to have saved barbados millions while themselves easily raked millions out of the treasury
    Only time will tell what is the true story of how much White Oaks has saved Barbados
    Anything coming from the mouth of this govt should be taken with a grain of salt
    The word transparency seems to have been erased from the govt list of promises to fulfill


  15. @ Mariposa,

    Spot on. White Oaks have not saved Barbadian taxpayers anything since the negotiations are still ongoing. The so-called savings are hypothetical. What is fact is that since May 30 they have been receiving Bds$170000 a month in fees, that is a lot of money (170000X11).
    Defaulting on domestic creditors was morally wrong, but there was no need for a foreign so-called financial adviser to do that.
    And there is no need why foreign creditors should negotiate a hair cut with the government of Barbados when the alternative is to sell the debt at a discount to vulture fund managers, which is what they will probably do; if the government then defaults the fund managers would pursue the debt through the New York courts..


  16. ” suggest the fees are high” . They ain t suggesting the fees are high they telling you they high! Don’t mind how you try to ramble around the issue, the fact is Jamaica had their debt restructured for 0.04 percent of the debt value and the same exercise costing us 0.45 percent of the debt value. Or as Roy Morris said 45 cents out of every 100 dollars, when Jamaica was 4 cents on each hundred when it was done by Citibank. Nobody aint suggesting the high, trust me it is a stated fact confirmed by your press Secretary on the CBC news. Then to come back with a lame duck excuse and say, oh they helping us with LIAT for free! Believe that and I got a talking cow by me for sale too then.

  17. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Well this is awkward…and it shows up the LIE in Dr. Ph.d Envoy’s letter to FT.

    This is not the only person complaining that their.. PENSION HAS BEEN CUT..

    https://scontent.fbgi3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60364160_2207126569601223_7306763337944006656_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fbgi3-1.fna&oh=a023bd715757d5278a507b17e1307cb2&oe=5D75920C

  18. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    And president Mia knows it, someone said that even the whites are complaining their pensions are being cut, ah heard someone made sure Mia heard them complaining about those lowered pensions.


  19. Wuhloss, one statement from the Prof and some folks falling over themselves to be accommodating.

    Nothing to see here folks just move along, “We would hire White Oaks again”, now who in their right minds would expect the Gov’t to say anything different?

    I just reached for another glass of koolaid, um too sweet.


  20. ” of the 14 sovereign restructurings in the world since 2005, White Oak has advised on seven of them, Lazards four and Citi one. It was an obvious choice for Barbados.”

    So you make a decision based on quantity ? That is not an ” obvious choice ”

    You should at least do enough research to hire the best. Quantity does not always equate to quality. IMHO


  21. @WARU,
    The man, to my knowledge, does not hold a Ph.D. In fact, I am almost sure he only has an undergrad. Professor my left foot.


  22. So by his argument then AIG in the USA would of been the perfect choice as an insurer too as they handled more insurance up there than most between 2000 and 2006. That is of course until they collapsed and started the crash of 2008. I always heard a drowning man would catch at straws, but Sometimes it is better to just drown quietly.


  23. @ John A

    AIG had a company domiciled in Barbados in the years leading up to 2008, explicitly to be used for money laundering. CEO Greenberg told the US authorities that. It is there in evidence. At the time the insurance regulator in Barbados made a statement that Barbados had the best regulatory system in the world. I am sure he did not smile while saying that.
    When AIG crashed it had assets of US$600bn, but no cash flow.

  24. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “Professor my left foot.”

    lol..what can i say, that is my friend president Mia’s Professor..

    President Simple…see what ah told ya about ya prinicipal friend..

    “Valdez Francis, the principal at Grantley Adams Memorial, who was at the centre of a student protest at the school last year, has been suspended.

    ..
    Minister of Education Santia Bradshaw confirmed recently that Francis was no longer at the Blackman’s, St Joseph school.

    “Mr Francis has been suspended and the ministry is carrying out an investigation following the findings of an inspection report. As I am sure you would appreciate, I wouldn’t want to say anything more at this stage which may prejudice those investigations,” she stated.”


  25. Hal that is correct and up to 1 year before it crashed they were still offering insurance services even though they knew they had no cash flow. That is why to say you are going with a company because it handles more of a specific type of business than others, is an extremely dangerous argument to use. My point for raising AIG was to show how we should not pick a company to do our bidding based on how much business they handle in an area. Citicorp may not have handled as many debt reschedulings in terms of islands as white oak, but what I can tell you is that they proved to be one of the best deals Jamaica ever made having done it for 0.04 percent of their debt rescheduled.

    Had Citibank of tendered for the same job White Oak is doing have you an idea of what they would of charged? The answer is no for as far as we the public are aware no tenders were sought for this contract. That is why when I hear people say “it’s a good deal dem saving we money” it is irritating. Good deal compared with what? Saving we money compared to whom?

  26. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @Blogmaster
    IMO it is less about the stance taken, than a position was made public. We can like it or lump it. Agree or disagree.
    With several negotiations ongoing, I refer to not only Debt instruments held externally, but the rabid state of accounts in many public/SOE’s, where the A/P ledger was a minefield, they either fire WO or fully support them?
    On Four Seasons…do ANY of us have any idea what actually happened there?
    The last we heard, the GoB formed a company Clearwater Bay to guarantee certain funds. This was laid before the people’s parliament. Since then? A legal document fell off a truck saying certain lands had been sold (Pharliciple) Two ministers, former MoF and MoTourism, said they would address the matter. And years later, ZILCH. All we know is there remains a decaying site, with several unfinished structures.

    On Persaud, I do not know the gentleman. This from Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt

    “Chairman of Intelligence Capital Ltd,[1] a company specializing in analyzing, managing and creating financial liquidity in investment projects and portfolios. He is also the non-Executive Chairman of the London-based Elara Capital, an investment bank. Persaud is a Senior Fellow with the Caribbean Policy Research Institute and Head of its Barbados office.

    He was previously managing director and Global Head of Research at State Street Bank, the world’s largest institutional investor, (1999–2003) and Global Head of Currency and Commodity Research at J.P. Morgan & Co.(1993–1999). He was ranked within the top 3 of currency analysts in major international investor surveys, (e.g. Institutional Investor and Global Finance) between 1992 and 1999. In December 2009, he was listed by a high level Panel set up by Prospect Magazine, second of 25 world brains who have been the best contributors in the public conversation on the financial crisis. (Prospect, December 2009)

    Persaud is Co-Chair of the OECD Emerging Market Network.[2] He was a Director of the Global Association of Risk Professionals (2002–2009) (GARP). In 2008 he was appointed member of a French Presidential Commission on the global credit crunch. He was the economic expert on the UK Government’s Advisory Panel on Public Sector Information, (2005–2009) (APPSI)In 2001 he was made a Distinguished Visitor of the Republic of Singapore. He was appointed a Visiting Scholar at the International Monetary Fund (IMF) (2001–2002) working on risk appetite measures[3] and at the European Central Bank (ECB) (2005) working on issues of liquidity and transparency in European financial markets.[4] He is frequently a guest speaker at G20 central banks and meetings of officials.[5]

    In December 2008, he was appointed a Member of the UN Commission of Experts on International Financial Reform.[6]

    In January 2009, he was appointed Chairman of the Second Warwick Commission,

    In October 2009, he was appointed an Expert Member of HMT’s Audit and Risk Committee.

    He held the Mercer Memorial Chair in Commerce at Gresham College (2002–2005) and was subsequently elected a Fellow of Gresham College (2005–2008) and Emeritus Professor of Gresham College (2007-). He is an elected member of the Council of the Royal Economic Society (2006–2010). He is a Governor and Member of the Council of the London School of Economics (2004–2008) and served on its Investments and Audit committees. He is a Visiting Fellow at the Centre for Financial Analysis and Policy,[7] at the Judge Institute, University of Cambridge and is a Member of the Scientific Committee of the International Centre for Money and Banking Reports on the World Economy (Geneva, Switzerland).” [Quote]

    Apart from a lack of ‘local experience’, it is hard to say he is ‘unqualified’. Performance is another matter.


  27. @John A

    You are right. But there is another lesson to draw from this: Bajans drift in to party politics no matter the subject. So, to have anything you say about awful deal will be seen as biased.
    Remember that AIG was also the underwriter for the vast number of SPVs that emerged following the spread of sub-prime loans. Some time ago some joker came on BU and proposed the launch of retail bonds to crowd-fund entrepreneurs. First, crowd-funding is high risk; when I asked who would underwrite the loans, he proposed an NGO. For Heavens sake.
    Obama had to bail out the biggest insurance company in the world; just imagine the Barbados government bailing out an NGO.

  28. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    From the Daily Mail UK.

    “David, 50, and Chase Ergen, heir to a satellite fortune, are said to have transported an estimated 5,000 cannabis plants as part of their new business
    They had traveled with Irish actor Jonathan Rhys Meyers and his family
    But they were pulled aside by customs officials after landing and searched
    David’s family business owns the Coca-Cola Hellenic bottling plants
    St. Christopher and Nevis Police Force confirmed David had been charged
    David was released after paying bail of $30,000 and is due in court Tuesday
    Ergen was then arrested for drug possession days later after being found with ‘medicinal ketamine for bi polar’, David claims
    Cannabis Bill, 2019, is set to be passed in St Kitts and Nevis that will allow the use of cannabis for medicinal, religious and recreational purposes”

    This is the problem with these greedy pigs, let them into your country as billionaires, they believe they can do as they like, billionaires should not be allowed to invest in the marijuana trade in the Caribbean…don’t know what is wrong with these dumbass governments and PMs.

    and that is only when ya ain’t let in the ones who want to become billionaires off the backs of the majority population..because they are too close to corrupt government.


  29. Hal that’s true about people getting their toes crushed once their party appears to be criticised. I don’t get into the political thing and I am not ashamed to say I voted Thompson in and Stewart out. I think what happened here is government were a bit over zealous and wanted to hit the ground running and may not of entertained quotes for the work.
    If that’s the case just come out and say so. Don’t send the Professor out to tap dance around it. Just tell us “look we made a mistake here and will make sure it doesn’t happen again.” I have to say though it pleases me to see how bajans are now looking into everything, seeing that there is no opposition as such.


  30. @ John A

    You are right. I was pleased on May 25 to see the grossly incompetent Stuart and the vacuous Sinckler removed and had hoped that the Mottley government would be better. But it was the sudden and undebated default that caused me to be cautious.
    Since then I have been saying that BERT will fail, not because it s a desire of mine, but because its underlying paradigm was faulty. It still is. They are wrong, but no one is debating the key issues so the public is remaining in ignorance and the keyboard warriors come out.
    About committees and letters after your name, in the UK once you get over the initial barrier you can accumulate these like alphabet soups. Don’t be impressed. Delivery is what counts.


  31. @John A

    Persaud felt to list the number of restructures done by White Oak because a criticism was that it was a two man shop with little experience. Also the countries they have managed align nicely with Barbados as a peer group.


  32. Hal Amen to that and i would go further and say that the public must always be informed and kept abreast of every move. This White Oak thing is a big issue among the foreign creditors simply because they view it as being their money being used to pay the restructuring cost. I think they knew a debt restructure would come, especially when they saw the credit card interest rates the last government was willing to pay for a few dollars with the Credit Suisse loan. What I think caused the blow up in the FT article was that they found the fee being paid ridiculous as a percentage of the debt. These guys were expecting to see a rate being paid somewhere between 0.04 percent and 0.08 percent, as they know that is where it would normally fall. So when the saw a rate being paid of 0.45 percent or 45 cents on every hundred dollars they hit the roof! You got to remember these guys deal in money and fees every day for a living. Then the same white oak comes and says ” fellows by the way you all been waiting 12 months for money but you going have to wait at least another 12 months more now as well.” So 24 months without a red cent and the oak boys will draw $85000 USD a month for each of those 24 months and still get their $27 M USD fee in the end! Tell me the truth if you were a foreign creditor you wouldn’t see red too?

  33. SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife Avatar
    SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog May 14, 2019 1:17 PM “medicinal ketamine for bi polar.”

    What???


  34. 0.45 per cent is not 45 cents in every $100. It is $45 in every $100. I think you mean 0.045 per cent.


  35. “Since 2016, Puerto Rico has been buffeted by a natural disaster and several overlapping, man-made catastrophes. Its government is bankrupt and owes $74 billion to bondholders: a staggering sum that amounts to 99 percent of the island’s gross national product, or $25,000 for each of its 3 million men, women, and children. It faces a vociferously hostile president, a stalemated and colonial relationship with Congress, entrenched local political dysfunction, and a bunch of angry creditors — most notably, a group of hedge funds that speculate in distressed debt and are fighting for every last penny they think they’re owed.”

    “Among the many mind-blowing figures in the fiscal plan, one stands out: the $1.5 billion earmarked over the next six years for costs related to the restructuring process itself — more than a billion of which will go to lawyers, bankers, and consultants, McKinsey included. (The firm billed the board more than $72 million through January, and its ongoing contracts total about $3.3 million a month.) The projected overall fees are more than five times what Detroit spent on its $20 billion bankruptcy, previously the largest local-government default in U.S. history, and higher even than the bill for Lehman Brothers, the $613 billion corporate liquidation that nearly destroyed the world economy.”


  36. David all that may be true but what he failed to tell us was this. Did you contact other companies like Citibank for a price from them too? Did you discuss with the foreign creditors prior to appointing white oak, as to what they would see as an acceptable alternative? Etc etc.

    My point is negotiation by mere definition of the word, requires discussion between the parties during the entire process. This clearly did not happen. Also if indeed you want to look at the cost to associated islands why then overlook Jamaica in the discussion? was it because Citibank did that and not white oak?

    Truth is David if white oak had charged marginally more than the going rate I don’t think the FT article would even be written. It’s just the factor was way too big to overlook, especially when you asking the same creditors to take a hair cut now too. I also think the whole donville issue is going to place a shadow over us for a while to come in discussions with the finacial markets in terms of transparency. Unfortunately this government will be under even greater scrutiny now too as a result of it. That my friend is the sad reality of the financial world, in that they have lonnnggg memories and are by nature therefore weary creatures to deal with.


  37. Sorry Hal yes my mistake I meant 45 cents out of every 100 dollars Making it 0.045 as compared to Jamaica who was 4.5 cents out of every hundred dollars or 0.0045 percent.

    The old eyes didn’t pick it up when I typed it thanks for pointing it out.

  38. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @JohnA
    “Did you contact other companies like Citibank for a price from them too? Did you discuss with the foreign creditors prior to appointing white oak, as to what they would see as an acceptable alternative? Etc etc.”

    Do you appreciate the ramifications of time and ‘spreading the word’, for all those from whom you seek “prices” may well be acting/advising the affected parties? This niche of the world is very small. The creditors are not going to be acceptable to anything but 100%. They will balk at anything less. Time is of the essence. You pull the plug and go from there.

    Imagine you put out an RFP, saying the GoB is considering options, please submit your proposals. That will circulate like wildfire, and long before the GoB even gets the proposals, the market will be under siege. Fear is a terrible force, you eliminate fear by acting swiftly.


  39. Northern observer so you are saying that you move swiftly select the first name that come to mind regardless of cost. You seek no alternative quotes and you jump at the first price that crosses your desk. Really! Once the default was announced by our government it was public knowledge so don’t see how it could be seen as a closely guarded secret. There was therefore no problem with seeking quotes from others once the announcement to default was made.

    I can also tell you any bank or institution that leaked Information shared between them and a sovereign state would not stay in business long after that. The trust of privacy when it comes to Banker client information is paramount to any financial institution.

    Sorry can’t accept that excuse.


  40. @John A

    NO answered. Time was of the essence? Some will say that the foreign component of the debt is small but the fact is Barbados had a foreign exchange problem to explain the urgency around the decision?

  41. Walter Blackman Avatar
    Walter Blackman

    Piece the Legend
    May 10, 2019 8:17 PM
    “@ the blogging of the blogger called JOHN A (as in the Johnnie with the Answers that has been sent from the Mugabe Regime to placate the fools)”

    John A
    May 11, 2019 1:33 PM
    “Piece……. You have Walter Blackmans comment on the NIS to balme for me coming here lol. It was so well written and factual. I was told of it by a friend on this blog and ended up sticking around…”

    John A,
    Given the independent, analytical manner in which you think and write, I am honoured to know that some comments I made ultimately provided the motivation for you to come and engage on BU.

    Your cool demeanour and style, as exhibited above, could not have escaped the notice of discerning BU readers and bloggers. The whole exchange just conjured up the image, in my mind, of a baby “innocently” driving a wooden stake through the heart of a vampire, and inwardly enjoying every minute of it.

    Carry on smartly, my friend.

  42. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @JohnA
    it is not an excuse.
    With minimal research you will discover that at least one of the partners in WO, had been ‘knocking around’ Barbados for at least 3 years prior to May 2018. For all I know, so were their competitors. Once Sovereign credit ratings drop into the ‘junk’ territory, this attracts these types. They smell opportunity.
    My expectation is that several of these advisory types had made multiple calls on several of the senior public financial employees, plus a range of political types/advisors. It is called selling and getting a foot in the door. They are known to do this.
    We do not know other proposals were not received? Or that those on the ‘other side of the fence’ today, had not submitted? All we know is they selected WO. Whether it was sole sourced or not, we do not know?
    Further I am not talking about a Bank or similar institution, is WO a bank? Is Lazard a bank or “an advisory”? Kargman, Livingstone etc etc They go where their is money to be made. And if they smell on rat, they will go after cheese.
    I am of the personal opinion, the ‘success fee’ for local debt restructuring seems high. Maybe I am wrong? They are buying a package.


  43. Northerobserver I agree with you on the fact that they are many unanswered questions ‘re competitive quotes etc and that is why I said before if all of the facts were shared with the public, these suspicions for lack of a better word, could all be put to rest. I think they are about 5 basic questions that if answered would put this matter to bed for good. The thing is all we are getting is persons trying to justify the fee. If they feel it can be justified then publish the scale of fees inclusive of all retension fees for us to see. It’s like you trying to sell me a company that you say does well but refusing to show me the audited financials.


  44. Walter thanks it’s all your fault! Lol

  45. Walter Blackman Avatar
    Walter Blackman

    John A
    May 14, 2019 1:55 PM
    “So when the(y) saw a rate being paid of 0.45 percent or 45 cents on every hundred dollars they hit the roof.”

    Hal Austin
    May 14, 2019 2:02 PM
    “0.45 per cent is not 45 cents in every $100.”

    Hal,
    Yes, it is!
    John A is correct!

    Expressed as a decimal, it becomes 0.0045

  46. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @JohnA
    What we have is creditors, who have not settled, trying to get the best deal they can. No problem, this is how they play. It is far preferable to dealing with Vultures.

    I agree some other info may satisfy our curiosity into the process. Yet, is this information they should be releasing? What is the benefit? So all the competitors know how they bid and how they formulated their proposal. Hopefully Bim isn’t going back here, and Sir Lloyd doesn’t have to ask…how we get back here again. Quite accurately, the public disclosure of this contract is “uncommon transparency”. Try getting a large country to divulge the terms of their latest purchase of fighter planes? A single ship contract, was the topic of a recently stayed proceeding in Canada. You think the Gov’t are laying the terms of that contract in Parliament? It contravenes “national security” and also if any of them meddled… LOL


  47. David
    It would be interesting to know if ANY country that went into a DR ever issued an RFP. I would find it absolutely silly to publicly advertise your intent, as oppose to just announce that you have.🤣🤣


  48. @enuff

    Was mulling the same thought. We need to be constructive in our critique. Barbados is in a deep debt hole. Al we ask is for the government to be as transparent as the NDAs allow.


  49. Northern I would say we see it differently and leave it there. I don’t think sharing the details of a contract can be compared to a matter of national security such as buying fighter planes, but we both are entitle to our opinions. When you are asking us the citizens to support a contract we are entitled to ask questions and in so doing satisfy our selves that we got a good deal. Once the intention to default had been made public, I see no reason why transparency should not exist and in so doing make our requirements publicly available for tender. That way Citibank or other “boutique concerns” as the FT so delicately described WO, could then tender. I mean let’s be honest you can’t hide what you owe that is common knowledge, you also just publicly stated you intend to default so that too is no secret, so what’s the big secret after that? I can bet you the IMF will request details of the contract and what will you do then?

    Sorry I can’t agree with you on this but as I said we are all entitled to our views.

  50. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “medicinal ketamine for bi polar.”

    What???”

    me nah know, these airhead governments love to play around with the dangerous types.

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