Nursing Program at BCC Falling Short

The blogmaster can recall that in 2010 former Minister of Health Donville Inniss announced a plan to change the nursing program at the Barbados Community College (BCC).  The objective was to ensure that Barbados responded to a shortage of nurses.

Who remembers the public outcry when nurses from the Philippines and elsewhere were recruited at the QEH? The underlying reason for the shortage was that student nurses were failing the Regional Examination for Nurse Registration. Inniss indicated  that a committee would be setup to come up with recommendations to address the issue.

Some of the recommendations reported in the media:-

  • Admission requirements and student intake – no more than 80 students should be admitted annually over the next three years. This would be reviewed at the end of the period.
  • Admission should be considered at three levels – academic requirements, entrance level/proficiency test, and aptitude assessment.
  • All tutors should participate in clinical activities, and a comprehensive examination should be reinstated.
  • The Nursing Council of Barbados has evaluated the General Nursing Programme and has submitted its report to stakeholders,” said Inniss as he listed the changes.

Source: Nation newspaper – Changes for nurse training

In February 2019 Minister of Health Jefferey Bostic was reported in the press that he will be asking for a meeting with the Minister of Health to review the course work at BCC because of a high fail rate by nurses completing the regional examination. The minister’s position is supported by the following news column with a call to recruit nurses from overseas.

The question to our planners is – with the heavy investment in education why do we have to recruit nurses from overseas? What is so difficult about ensuring the nursing syllabus at BCC is aligned with that of the Regional Examination for Nurse Registration?

QEH to look abroad for nurses

Henderson Pinder, Director of Nursing Services at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital.

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personnel are coming from that institution, Pinder said.

“The Barbados Community College and the Queen Elizabeth Hospital have a partnership in which Barbados Community College offers aspiring nurses with the educational framework to pursue a career in nursing, and the QEH provides BCC nursing students and graduates with internship and job opportunities.”

“However, although many nursing students go on to attain a Bachelor of Science degree in nursing from the Barbados Community College, many fail to pass Regional Examination for Nursing Registration (RENR). This is a matter which we need to urgently rectify to increase the number of registered nurses available on island.”

Chairman of the QEH’s Board of Management, Juliette Bynoe-Sutherland said: “We also recognize that we retain nurses who work at the QEH by making them feel more valued, recognizing their contribution and addressing matters such as salary, conditions of work, benefits and staff amenities. The Government has committed to providing for upward mobility of nurses as specialist nurses and the QEH will be working closely with the Barbados Nurses Association and Nursing Council to achieve this goal.”

Given the shortage of nurses, the Queen Elizabeth Hospital plans to look overseas.

Director of Nursing Services at QEH, Henderson Pinder, said it was necessary to ensure the continued, safe, patientcentred delivery of nursing services, especially in the Accident and Emergency (A& E) Department.

The need to look outside for nurses has been compounded by those interested in the profession but failed examinations at the regional level after successfully gaining their Bachelor of Science degrees in nursing from the Barbados Community College (BCC).

“Unfortunately, there are not enough critical care trained nurses in Barbados to meet the QEH’s staffing needs. As such, in an effort to fill the establishment, we’ve expanded the search for critical care trained nurses to other jurisdictions,” Pinder told the Sunday Sun.

Nurses are being recruited from St Vincent and the Grenadines, Grenada and the Philippines.

Improve quality

Pinder noted the QEH has been continuously trying to improve the quality of nurses, and recently 29 completed the highly-rated Canadian Triage Acuity Scale (CTAS) training programme. A second cohort of nurses is to benefit from similar training .

In spite of the shortage, the QEH continues to maintain standards which allows it to deal with the dozens of emergency cases which flow through the heavily trafficked A & E Department, Pinder said.

“The nurses of the Accident and Emergency Department are able to provide an excellent standard of care despite the large number of persons who present to the department,” Pinder noted. “In instances when the number of persons who require care overwhelms the A& E’s staff complement, additional staff is deployed to the department and various other surge staffing measures are employed. Even on these occasions, the care given to our patients meets and surpasses the standards of practice for patient care.”

The lack of nurses on an annual basis casts the spotlight on the facility’s ability to draw from the BCC special programme, as it is clear not enough Fail exam

By Barry Alleyne barryalleyne @nationnews.com @barry_nationbb

 

139 comments

  • David

    The nurses were failing the regional examination

    What does or how does that reflect upon the education system in Barbados?

    It is the practice of many countries throughout the world to look elsewhere to fill the vacuum or shortage of nurses, so why is hiring nurses from the Philippines is an issue?

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  • @David

    How does the failure rate for Barbados compare to other regional countries?

    BTW didn’t Guyana embark on a program to train a surplus of nurses with the possibility that they could be “exported” to other regions to service possible shortages?

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  • Henderson Pinder

    “Although many students go on the earned Bachelor of Science degree in nursing from the Community College”

    I have never heard of a Community College offering bachelor’s degree… Community Colleges in America and throughout North America go no further than the Associate’s Degree level …

    Now a Community College is supposed be a 2 year College … Bachelor’s degree requires 120 credit hours which equal four years … so how does a Community College provide for such? And if the Community College in Barbados offers bachelor’s degree… what is the use of going to the UWI?

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  • @ Lexicon,

    Your heart is in the right place, but you seem to measure everything against what takes place in the US. The US is not the world.
    But you are right about the nursing programme. Why are they failing? It is not beyond the wit of the college authorities to offer remedial programmes for those who are weak in certain areas. Why do we make simple things appear so mountainous?

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  • Hal Austin

    A Community College is supposed to be the pathway to a four years college … Am I not getting something right? It is in essence a Junior College
    ….

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  • Hal Austin

    Maybe we confounded the definition of a Community College in Barbados?

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  • Hal Austin

    So you are telling that Harrison and Queen’s College can offer bachelor’s degrees?

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  • Should really be named Harrison’s Secondary School and Queen’s Secondary School…. and stop confusing people that they are “colleges” which can be degree granting institutions.

    Think their Alumni would allow that to happen??? LOL!!!

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  • Lexicon,

    Forget what takes place in the US. Barbados is a sovereign state. Harrison College and Queen’s College are secondary schools. Degree-granting colleges are authorised to do so by law; in the UK an institution can only be called a university by Royal decree. In the US a community college may be a two-year college; in the UK they are what we call Sixth Form colleges, for those up to and under the age of 18.
    What is important is to work out why trainee nurses are failing their exams and providing the necessary training. In the UK all trainee nurses must have GCSE English and Maths among other things. If they do not they are sent on the necessary course.

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  • Mr. Lexicon

    BIMAP is not a university, but offers various undergraduate degree programs.

    Could you please “tell” us why you believe BCC should not be offering a BSc in nursing?

    Why do you believe a Community College is supposed to be the pathway to a four years college…… because that’s the purpose a CC serves in the USA?

    Several nurses with nursing degrees from BCC left Barbados to pursue their careers in the UK, Cayman Islands and Bermuda…… and more so those individuals specializing in mental health nursing.

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  • Artax

    Explain the definition of a college and then tell me where Harrison and Queen’s College fix into this definition?

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  • Could it be that the student nurses spend more time focusing on those subjects that teach them how to be rude and obnoxious to their fellow Bajans thus failing the core requirement. Anyone having experienced some medical treatment in so called first world countries would readily notice the difference in attitude.

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  • Artax

    The bottom-line is a Community College does not offer a four year degree … Barbados has it ass backwards …. then Secondary Schools can start offering students Associate Degrees?

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  • David

    What is meant by the Regional Examination? Do you mean the nursing Board for the license? Or do mean the prerequisites for getting into the nursing program?

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  • Lexicon,

    Can you answer a simple question for me?

    What is the main idea of this article?

    When you determine that then you can craft a response.

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  • The nursing students are failing because our society is failing. Full stop.

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  • Donna

    The nursing students are failing because they are probably not studying as they ought to or aren’t being availed the necessary help needed… nevertheles, the nursing program here is very difficult to get into, as well as the board is also quite difficult along with cost associated with taking the board is very expensive..

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  • @ Lexicon,

    Forget the US and focus on the needs of Barbados. Something is wrong. In the 1950s/60 Barbados provided the UK’s NHS with trainee nurses. Surely the standard of education must have improved since then. Cut out the nonsense abut what is and is not a college and concentrate on the reasons why young Barbadians are failing basic exams..

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  • millertheanunnaki

    An important question to ask the Nursing authorities at the policy-making level is why are the well-trained and fully-certified’ Bajan nurses going overseas to practise their vocation in greener financial pastures.

    Are those who are being recruited from overseas to fill the existing gap in the nursing profession meeting the ‘qualification’ standards set by the Regional Examination for Nursing Registration (RENR) body or council?

    Why should such well-trained high calibre ‘foreign’ nurses seek employment in low-paying Barbados with its high cost of living and scarce housing when they could offer their services to the same overseas employers who are enticing and taking off the cream from the limited Bajan pool?

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  • The issue to restate it is why is the syllabus not aligned with that of the regional test. This is not a gap that is unknown to the decision makers.

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  • Lexicon,

    As I said, our society is failing. Didn’t you William Skinner’s list and my additions. We are failing in all facets of civil society. Why should nursing students be any different?

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  • Mr. Lexicon

    Sometimes you tend to “over think” simple, frivolous issues.

    What the hell does the definition of a college has to do with Harrison’s College and Queen’s College, when everyone in Barbados, including the man on the “Cream of Wheat” box, KNOWS they are secondary schools?

    Why not add Presentation College and Codrington College to your list?

    “A Community College does not offer a four year degree” because YOU say so? Are you suggesting Barbados is violating an international law that prevents sovereign nations from defining or determining the purposes of their community colleges?

    So……… “Barbados has its ass backwards” because BCC offers a four-year degree?”

    If I were to follow your argument, since UWI Open Campus offers associate degrees in social work, business management and paralegal studies, then Barbados’ ass is even further backwards.

    Mr. Lexicon, this is a silly argument. Like it, agree with it…… or not…..“the bottom line is” BCC offers degree programs

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  • We have produced nurses who were welcome elsewhere and functioned effectively. Why are our nurses now ‘failing’?

    Could it be possible that there is a simple answer to this problem?

    There may be a need to align whatever is taught at BCC with the syllabus of the regional exam (RENR).
    Are those who are teaching qualified to teach at the level of the regional exam?
    Are they teaching to meet the requirements of this exam?
    Have they kept abreast of development in the nursing field or of this exam?

    I doubt that the new set of nurses are ‘less intelligent”, instead we may need to look and see if there were external changes and BCC/QEH did not update their teaching plans. We may also look to see if we have square pegs in round holes.

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  • ONCE UPON A TIME, A NOT SO LONG TIME, OUR VERY BEST GIRLS ON LEAVING SCHOOL BECAME NURSES OR SCHOOL TEACHERS AND WE HAD VERY GOOD FEMALE NURSES OR SCHOOL TEACHERS. WE EVEN HAD ENOUGH GIRLS WHO WENT TO TRAIN IN THE UK.

    SO WHAT HAPPENED?
    FIRST MANY OF THE GIRLS WHO TRAINED IN THE 70’S AND 80’S HAVE NOW RETIRED OR WERE RECRUITED TO GREENER PASTURES.

    SECONDLY OUR BRIGHTEST GIRLS NOW BECOME DOCTORS OR LAWYERS OR ENTER PROFESSIONS WHICH WERE ONCE ONLY THE PROVINCE OF MALES.

    OUR BRIGHTEST GIRLS NO LONGER BECOME NURSES OR SCHOOL TEACHERS………..SO THE STANDARD OF OUR FEMALE NURSES OR SCHOOL TEACHERS HAVE BEEN IMPOVERISHED.

    THIRDLY THE GOVERNMENT SOME TIME IN THE PAST, AS A COST CUTTING PLOY, MOVED THE TRAINING OF NURSES FROM UNDER THE NURSING SCHOOL IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH TO THE BCC UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION. FORMERLY STUDENT NURSES WERE PAID….NOT SO NOW.

    IF WUNNA WOULD READ THE ARTICLES PROPERLY YOU WOULD GLEAN THAT THE NURSING HIERARCHY THINKS THAT THE MOVE TO “EDUCATE” THE NURSES AT BCC, RATHER THAN “TRAIN” THEM AS IN DAYS OF YORE HAS CONTRIBUTED TO PROBABLE DECLINE IN THE STANDARD OF “CLINICAL” TRAINING AND SKILLS.

    iT IS NOTEWORTHY THAT THE NURSES WITH THEIR BSc”s IN NURSING FAIL THE REGIONAL EXAM. THIS IS MOST LIKELY NOT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED KNOWLEDGE, BUT MOST LIKELY BECAUSE THEY LACK THE REQUIRED CLINICAL SKILLS. THIS IS VERY LIKELY BECAUSE OF A LACK OF NURSING STAFF IN BOTH THE HOSPITAL AND IN THE POLYCLINICS.

    CLEARLY THERE ARE A FEW FACTORS TO BE ADDRESSED

    WITH RESPECT TO BCC. IT IS WRONG TO BASH THIS INSTITUTION.
    IT STARTED IN 1969 AS A SIXTH FORM SCHOOL TO ACCOMODATE THOSE WHO COULD NOT GET INTO THE FEW SIXTH FORM SCHOOLS EXISTING AT THE TIME.

    IT HAS MORPHED INTO AN INSTITUTION FAR SUPERIOR TO ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN OFFERING COURSES AND TRAINING IN MANY DISCIPLINES, NOT AVAILABLE IN MY TIME AT SCHOOL IN THE LATE 60’S AND EARLY 70’S. MY SON FOR EXAMPLE, HAD EXCELLENT TRAINING IN THE ARTS ESPECIALLY IN PHOTOGRAPHY.

    THERE ARE EXCELLENT PROGRAMMES IN MUSIC AND PHARMACY ETC

    THE BCC IS NOT A JUNIOR COLLEGE. MANY OF ITS GRADUATES HAVE GONE ON TO EASILY GET PhD’S IN THE USA, AS THOSE NURSES WHO CANT PASS THE REGIONAL NURSING EXAMS, BUT HAVE PASSED THEIR BSc EXAMS IN NURSING WILL PROBABLY DO.

    WE MIGHT NOT EMPLOY THEM BUT THE US WILL RECRUIT THEM AND PAY THEM WELL.

    HERE ENDETH THE LESSON
    I HOPE THAT THIS WILL ALTER THE MORONIC MOUTHINGS AND THAT I HAVE PROVIDED SOME LIGHT RATHER THAN LOTS OF USELESS HEAT, AS IS THE NORM IN THE BU RUM SHOP.

    BY THE WAY, I TAUGHT PHARMACOLOGY FOR ONE YEAR AT BCC AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE COURSE SUPERVISOR.

    ONE STUDENT ASKED ME “YOU SEEM TO WANT US TO KNOW EVERYTHING!”:

    MY RESPONSE WAS “YES. BECAUSE IF ON GRADUATION YOU GET A SCRIPT SIGNED BY ME WHICH SAYS 15 mg, WHEN IT SHOULD BE 5 mg OR 50 MG, i WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT IT SHOULD BE AND CALL AND ASK ME WHY I HAVE WRITTEN WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCRIPT BEFORE YOU DISPENSE.

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  • RE Like it, agree with it…… or not…..“the bottom line is” BCC offers degree programs
    AND SOME OF THESE DEGREE PROGRAMS ARE GOOD ONES THAT EQUIP CITIZENS FOR SERVICE

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  • Mr. Georgie Porgie

    Excellent!!!!

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  • Q. why is the syllabus not aligned with that of the regional test.

    A This is very unlikely to be so. What is most likely is that our girls are failing the clinical aspects of the regional test, for reasons already stated.

    Whereas the BCC might well be preparing the students for the theory. the BCC is not a HOSPITAL! Hence, it must depend on clinical training to be done in the clinical setting of the polyclinics or the hospital wards.

    If the nurses who are supposed to be examples and tutors in these institutions are themselves overwhelmed because they are understaffed and overworked, one can expect that the clinical one on one training that is required will suffer.

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  • Geogie Porgie

    Haft of the time lot of doctors can’t even in write a proper medical order …or a PRN …

    Here is an prn order that most doctor don’t seem to understand

    Tyronel 10mg po TID ….for pain

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  • @ David February 21, 2019 9:15 AM
    “The issue to restate it is why is the syllabus not aligned with that of the regional test. This is not a gap that is unknown to the decision makers.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And if such a necessary alignment was to take place what do you think would happen to the ‘pass’ rate at the BCC level?

    The Bajan nurse-training programme is facing similar challenges to that of the Police Force; that is, not attracting ‘high-quality’ cohorts from the country’s secondary school system.

    These vocations no longer carry the appeal or charisma as they did in the past as pathways to social and economic recognition and progress.

    Why not incentivize these careers, especially at the entry level, in order to attract a higher academically qualified and committed cohort from the country’s educational system which has been more than a burden on taxpayers’ backs over the last 30 years without any significantly measurable return on this huge investment?

    Why not increase the starting salary for a ‘trained’ nurse or police officer to that of a university graduate holding down a middle-management position in the Public sector?

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  • re FIRST MANY OF THE GIRLS WHO TRAINED IN THE 70’S AND 80’S HAVE NOW RETIRED OR WERE RECRUITED TO GREENER PASTURES.

    The mass recruitment in the 90’s and thereafter has resulted in a default in the CONTINUITY of the training standards……………..much like how the banning of 18 of our very best cricketers from our regional cricket competitions FOR LIFE in the early 80’s has iimpacted the standard of West Indies cricket!

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  • Georgie Porgie

    A lot of doctors would write a prescription and forget to add the five rights which are mandated by law … I am teaching class now GP …for a prescription to be completed is much have within it the

    1) Patient name
    2) name of medication
    3) Time the medication is to be administered
    4) The route the medication is to be given
    5) And the correct dosage of the medication

    And the prescription expiration date which is usually 90 to 180 days

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  • Earlier I asked about the comparable about the pass rate for BCC students vs the rest of the region but as GP explained the difference could be clinical expertise not academic acumen.
    This current crisis stated when Owen changed the status of the Hospital and many nurses objected because they wanted to remain as part of the Civil Service rather than the new Board,rather than “grandfather” the existing group Owen put his foot down in a “my way or the highway” move with the result that many nurses retired or quit and the Gov’t was forced to look for replacements who remembers the Nigerian nurses? At least the Nigerian nurses spoke English as we were on the verge of total embarrassment if other plans had materialized.

    Theses things (shortages) don’t happen in a vacuum we just have to look back but Bajans have short memories

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  • Mr. Lexicon

    When you mentioned “A lot of doctors would write a prescription and forget to add the five rights which are mandated by law,”…….

    ……… are you referring to doctors in Barbados and the Caribbean as well?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @David u have highlighted a rather embarrassing issue – if govt officials can ever feel that emotion – as it should be a deep concern that our young aspiring professional nurses can’t cut it at the regional level ALTHOUGH the educators are aware of the deficiencies and have been for years.

    I would pose an alternative query to @Sargeant’s and ask what % of OUR nurses taking the regionals are failing?

    @Hal, as lovely as it is to reflect on nurses from Bim filling posts in UK and US in years pass and thus be a bit perplexed that we are seemingly failing badly now in that area it may also necessary to reflect that a larger pool (and dare I say not as diligent students) are vying to be nurses…so although the educational options appear to be ‘better’ the actual focus, and inherent apitude for success may be quite diluted.

    @Artax, the blogger @Lexicon can indeed be a foolbert unnecessarily but he makes a valid point re a community college and the ‘power’ of it’s degree program….and that’s not being specific to BCC or BIMAP!

    Surely BCC’s provost or academic Dean ensures that the syllabus for the nursing degree will prepare a student for required certifications regionally and even internationally either on that course work alone or with defined additional course that from outset would be known as necessary.

    Thus if a student passes their BSc and can’t complete the next step REQUIRED certification something is not right either with their degree program or the student… or both.

    What’s wrong with the preparations of these students.

    Realistically that’s not a good advert for the BCC’s program!

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  • @ de pedantic Dribbler,

    She revealed that out of 31 students entered to set the Regional Examination for Nurses Registration, only four students – a mere 11 per cent – passed the examination.

    https://barbadostoday.bb/2019/02/21/record-student-failures-threaten-nursing-brna/

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  • re Why not incentivize these careers, especially at the entry level, in order to attract a higher academically qualified and committed cohort from the country’s educational system which has been more than a burden on taxpayers’ backs over the last 30 years without any significantly measurable return on this huge investment?

    Why not increase the starting salary for a ‘trained’ nurse or police officer to that of a university graduate holding down a middle-management position in the Public sector?

    HEAR THE WORDS OF A MORON AND MEDICAL ILLITERATE, AND A GENERAL IDIOT AND MEMBER OF THE LOWEST OF THE EQUINOIDS. I.E A JACKASS!

    HOW WILL INCREASING THE STARTING SALARY OF A TRAINED NURSE CAUSE OUR BEST GIRLS TO BECOME NURSES, IN A DAY WHEN OTHER OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM? DO YOU THINK WITH YOUR SHELVES OF HOUSTON?

    HOW WILL INCREASING THE STARTING SALARY OF A POLICE OFFICER WHEN WE CANT RECRUIT THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE EITHER SEMI-ILLITERATE LIKE YOU OR ARE ALREADY ON THE WAY TO BEING DRUG ADDICTS?

    WHY WILL YOU INCREASE THE STARTING SALARY OF A “TRAINED” NURSE, WHO CAN NOT PASS THE REGIONAL EXAM BECAUSE OF POOR CLINICAL SKILLS

    WHY WILL YOU PLAN AND PURPOSE IN YOUR SILLY MIND TO PERPETUATE THE FALLACY OF THE “QUICK FIX” WHICH HAS TURNED OUT IN THE LONG RUN TO BE A VERY POOR “FIX”

    IT WAS A QUICK FIX NO DOUBT TO SAVE MONEY BY “EDUCATING” NURSING STUDENTS AT A COLLEGE INSTEAD OF TRAINING THEM IN A NURSING SCHOOL. DO WE NEED NURSES WITH DEGREES OR NURSES WHO FUNCTION WELL USING THE APPROVED CLINICAL SKILLS.

    NURSES WITH DEGREES BELONG IN AMERICAN NURSING SCHOOLS. THERE THEY GO ON TO GET MASTERS AND DOCTORATES.

    IN BARBADOS WE NEED TO TRAIN NURSES WITH THE CLINICAL SKILLS TO SERVE THE POPULACE AS NURSES.

    IN BARBADOS WE NEED POLICY DECISION MAKERS WHO TRULY UNDERSTAND THEIR PURPOSE, AND WHO ARE THEREFORE ABLE TO FUNCTION AS THEY OUGHT

    ON BU WE NEED PEOPLE TO SHUT UP AND STOP POSTING SHITE WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE SUBJECT ON WHICH THEY SEEK TO PONTIFICATE

    THERE IS NO QUICK FIX TO THE SITUATION IN WHICH WE HAVE FOUND OUR SELVES WITH REGARD TO EITHER POLICE RECRUITMENT, OR THE DILEMMA OF REDUCED NURSING SCHOOL FAILURE RATES.

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  • Having read the contribution of GP and others, this appears to be a problem that we can solve.

    However, as I looked at the contribution and various link, it seem as if this problem was identified over a decade ago. I am quite certain we had the concomitant BU analysis then, and rather than going in circles to 2029 we need to ask ourselves

    “How do we move from here and when should we expect to see results?”

    We need a x-year plan.

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  • A Registered Nurse (RN) in Manila earns an average salary of PHP 183,045 per year which is about $ 7000 Barbados dollars.

    That is why Filipino nurses might find working in Barbados appealing.

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  • @ Hants February 21, 2019 11:05 AM

    So why would these well-trained outputs from the Far-Eastern Filipino nursing mills come all the way to Barbadoes when they can easily stop off in the UK or North America or even Saudi Arabia, UAE or even Australia to work along those ‘emigrated’ Bajan nurses?

    “When you pay peanuts you attract only [Bajan] monkeys’!

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  • @ millertheanunnaki,

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  • Artax February 21, 2019 10:48 AM

    Mr. Lexicon

    When you mentioned “A lot of doctors would write a prescription and forget to add the five rights which are mandated by law,”…….……… are you referring to doctors in Barbados and the Caribbean as well?

    ARTAX UNDERSTAND THAT THIS TWIT IS SPOUTING THE LIKKLE KNOWLEDGE HE GLEANED IN HIS PITHY NURSING TRAINING, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ISSUES AT HAND, OR THE QUALITY OF TRAINING OF NURSES OR IN OTHER DISCIPLINES AT BCC

    IM OUT OF HERE, BECAUSE BU DOES NOT REALLY WANT TO HAVE MY INPUT AS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN UPLOADING MY POSTS.

    BE GOOD SIR

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  • “Thus, if a student passes their BSc and can’t complete the next step REQUIRED certification something is not right either with their degree program or the student… or both.”

    Mr. dpD

    I suggest you read Georgie Porgie’s contributions. He gave a brief, in-depth explanation of the situation.

    As it relates Lexicon…..….I’m not “saying” he does not have a valid point re community colleges. My contention with his reasoning is that Barbados has its ass backwards because BCC offers an undergraduate degree.

    What I’m more concerned with is if the nursing degree received the necessary level of accreditation that would allow graduates to pursue their careers in other jurisdiction or graduate studies. And judging from how our nurses are recruited by other countries, “says a lot.”

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  • @GP
    I think you misunderstand BU.
    Many here read and value your contribution. We may be the silent majority.
    Just post …..

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  • If someone from the Philippines arrived in Barbados and presented credentials from his/her country would they be accepted as fulfilling Barbados requirements? Does it depend on the profession?

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  • Now if we could get Lexicon to marry Simple Simon, move in with Enuff and they share a single computer.
    Don’t start complaining or I will include you.

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  • @ Georgie Porgie February 21, 2019 11:01 AM
    “IN BARBADOS WE NEED TO TRAIN NURSES WITH THE CLINICAL SKILLS TO SERVE THE POPULACE AS NURSES.
    IN BARBADOS WE NEED POLICY DECISION MAKERS WHO TRULY UNDERSTAND THEIR PURPOSE, AND WHO ARE THEREFORE ABLE TO FUNCTION AS THEY OUGHT
    ON BU WE NEED PEOPLE TO SHUT UP AND STOP POSTING SHITE WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE SUBJECT ON WHICH THEY SEEK TO PONTIFICATE…”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    DR CAPS, we have already diagnosed the problem with the symptoms manifesting themselves for a long, long time.

    Now tell us Dear Doctor GP, what is your recommendation to cure this dogged problem?

    Why not return, Dr. Wilt(ed)shire, to your homeland and advise the current cohort of “POLICY DECISION MAKERS WHO TRULY UNDERSTAND THEIR PURPOSE”?

    Why not behave like a ‘genuine’ self-confessed-committed born-again Christian and follow the Jesus-dictated injunction:
    ‘To whom much is given (free education at HC and medical training at Mona), much is expected.’

    Why not return (like the prodigal son) to your birth place in its dire hour of public health management and restructure the Bajan Nurse Training programme to make it fit for purpose in the 21st Century and act as a magnet to attract well-educated Christian students like your own spoilt brats living off their daddy’s earnings from some two-bit ‘offshore’ medical school?

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  • @ Georgie Porgie,

    I READ MOST OF YOUR POSTS.

    YOU MAKE IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTIONS ON BU.

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  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    @ TheOGazerts February 21, 2019 11:38 AM

    Now what type of movie genre will that be classified as?

    (a) horror film
    (b) action
    (c) science fiction
    (d) drama
    (e) romance
    (f) war
    (g) comedy
    (h) documentary
    (i) Musical/fantasy
    (j) all the above

    Just asking/smiling

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  • “IM OUT OF HERE, BECAUSE BU DOES NOT REALLY WANT TO HAVE MY INPUT AS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN UPLOADING MY POSTS.”

    Mr. Georgie Porgie

    I disagree with you.

    The responses to this article began with general assumptions/speculations, until you came to give us an informed, in-depth explanation of the situation.

    I found your submissions interesting and informative and believe you should continue to offer BU your expertise on the issue.

    As it relates to Mr. Lexicon, I don’t believe he is a “twit.” It’s just he has this penchant for “twisting” the “conversation” to a topic of his choice so as to demonstrate he has a “vast amount of knowledge” of the subject,………..and, as I mentioned in a previous contribution, he uses what occurs in the USA as a bench-mark against which every situation must be compared.

    To each, his own.

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  • @ de pedantic Dribbler
    February 21, 2019 10:50 AM

    How you like to talk shite about things about which you know naught!
    It is untrue that our young aspiring professional nurses can’t cut it at the regional level.
    HAVE YOU ASCERTAINED WHAT ARE THE PASS RATES FOR THE OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE REGION?

    Note that Sargeant is able to comprehend that the issue is most likely one of clinical expertise not academic acumen.

    It is CLEARLY the policy makers not the educators who are unaware of the deficiencies that they have themselves caused.

    @Sargeant’s and ask what % of OUR nurses taking the regionals are failing?
    Instead of talking shite as usual, you ought to have read that the pass rate was 4 of 31 students.

    @Hal, as lovely as it is to reflect on nurses from Bim filling posts in UK and US in years pass and thus be a bit perplexed that we are seemingly failing badly now in that area it may also necessary to reflect that a larger pool (and dare I say not as diligent students) are vying to be nurses…so although the educational options appear to be ‘better’ the actual focus, and inherent apitude for success may be quite diluted.

    In your attempt to refute Hal, you have spouted secretions once more from your shelves of Houston.

    @Artax, the blogger @Lexicon can indeed be a foolbert unnecessarily but he makes a valid point re a community college and the ‘power’ of it’s degree program….and that’s not being specific to BCC or BIMAP!

    Mark Fenty is a jackass and knows nothing about the BCC. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE BCC HAS AN EXCELLENT NURSING PROGRAM JUST AS THEY HAVE IN OTHER DISCIPLINES, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY KNOW THAT MANY OF THEIR TUTORS IN THE NURSING PROGRAM HAVE SUPER TRAINING……..ATTAINED AT REGIONAL INSTITUTION.E .

    Surely BCC’s provost or academic Dean ensures that the syllabus for the nursing degree will prepare a student for required certifications regionally and even internationally either on that course work alone or with defined additional course that from outset would be known as necessary.

    SO WHAT MORE SHOULD THEY DO AS EDUCATORS DUMMY?

    EDUCATORS PREPARE STUDENTS FOR LOCAL EXAMS AND THE DAILY EXAMS THAT THEY MUST PASS EACH DAY AS THEY PRACTICE.
    EDUCATORS CAN NOT CAUSE STUDENTS TO PASS EXAMS

    Thus if a student passes their BSc and can’t complete the next step REQUIRED certification something is not right either with their degree program or the student… or both. What’s wrong with the preparations of these students.

    WHEN I WAS A MEDICAL STUDENT SOME OF US PASSED THE ECFMG EXAM TO QUALIFY FOR ENTRY TO DO A RESIDENCY IN THE USA, IN JANUARY, BUT FAILED THE UWI EXAM IN MAY.

    SO WHAT HAPPENED THERE?
    OH THOU WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT.

    THE ANSWER IS THAT THE UWI EXAM WAS MORE DEMANDING

    AND BY THE WAY DID YOU KNOW THAT THE UWI PASS RATE FOR THE USMLE EXAM SET BY ECFMG IS ABOUT 75% EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT PREPARED FOR THAT EXAM, AND THAT IS ABOUT THE SAME FOR ONLY ST GEORGES WHICH PREPARES THEIR STUDENTS FOR THAT EXAM

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  • @ Hants February 21, 2019 11:25 AM

    Do you expect a Filipino expatriate nurse working for a Bajan nurse’s salary to live such a tourist-type lifestyle?

    She wouldn’t even be able to rent a house in Coverley Muse far less catch ZR’s with what remains of the much devalued Bajan dollar.

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  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    @ Artax February 21, 2019 11:49 AM

    The art of distraction or deflection.

    They are many here that post on the various topic that seem to point the direction away from the intended purpose.

    it seems to be par for the course. I guess going off on tangents lends to a much more picturesque journey?

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  • ARTAX
    What I’m more concerned with is if the nursing degree received the necessary level of accreditation that would allow graduates to pursue their careers in other jurisdiction or graduate studies. And judging from how our nurses are recruited by other countries, “says a lot.”

    THE PROGRAMS AT BCC ARE A FUNCTION OF THE TEACHING STAFF

    SOME OF OUR BEST TEACH THERE
    FROM ITS VERY INCEPTION WHEN IT WAS JUST A SIXTH FORM SCHOOL THE BCC HAD GOOD PEOPLE. DONT FORGET THE MOE STRIPPED COMBERMERE SCHOOL AND A FEW OTHER SCHOOLS OF SOME OF ITS BEST TEACHERS TO START THE BCC IN 1969 .

    UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF OUR BEST ALSO WHO ARE RETIRED ARE NOT TEACHING THERE…….AND OUGHT TO BE AS IT IS UNPROFITABLE (POOR WAGES FOR THE DEGREE OF INPUT) OR BECAUSE THEY ARE DENIED THE OPPORTUNITY

    AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT CORRECTLY the nursing degree received the necessary level of accreditation that would allow graduates to pursue their careers in other jurisdiction or graduate studies. And judging from how our nurses are recruited by other countries, “says a lot.”

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  • Very informative comments from a few commentators. As always the objective of the blog is to try to shed light where there is darkness. What motivated the blogmaster to highlight this concern is that the gap was identified many years ago and yet we are still at ground zero as far as addressing the problem. What is the objective of the BCC nursing program if there is a challenge with clinicals?

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  • @ Dr. GP

    Please go easy on The Dribbler.

    He is basically Lexicon with a slightly better grasp of grammar. How so, you ask? They both share (among others) these ”qualities”:

    a penchant for missing the point
    a penchant for making the US the centre of the discussion
    a penchant for being long-winded and using arcane language

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  • RE The blogmaster can recall that in 2010 former Minister of Health Donville Inniss announced a plan to change the nursing program at the Barbados Community College (BCC). The objective was to ensure that Barbados responded to a shortage of nurses.

    QUESTION IN WHAT WAY WAS THE NURSING PROGRAM AT BCC CHANGED BY THIS BIG MOUT MORON?

    WAS IT WATERED DOWN JUST TO ENSURE THAT MORE NURSES WERE AVAILABLE AT THE EXPENSE OF MAINTAINING STANDARDS?

    DID THE POLICY MAKERS LISTEN TO THE NURSING EDUCATORS?

    RE Who remembers the public outcry when nurses from the Philippines and elsewhere were recruited at the QEH? The underlying reason for the shortage was that student nurses were failing the Regional Examination for Nurse Registration. Inniss indicated that a committee would be setup to come up with recommendations to address the issue.

    WERE THE NURSES FROM THE PHILIPINES AND ELSEWHERE RECRUITED AS A STOP GAP MEASURE ONLY?
    DID THEY HAVE COMPARABLE TRAINING TO THAT GIVEN AT THE BCC OR TO THAT DEMANDED BY THE REGIONAL NURSING BODY?
    WERE THESE RECRUITED NURSES REQUIRED TO PASS THE “REGIONAL” EXAM?

    IF THE STUDENTS FROM THE BCC WERE TRAINED TO LOCAL STANDARDS, WHY SHOULD ONE CARE IF THEY MET “REGIONAL STANDARDS”?

    WHY NOT EMPLOY THEM AND INSTITUTE A PROGRAM TO BRING THEM TO WHAT EVER STANDARD THE “REGIONAL” STANDARD IS SUPPOSED TO BE?.

    DID THE MORONS IN THE MOH REALLY THINK THAT ALL THE NURSES EMPLOYED IN THE “REGION” HAVE PASSED THE “REGIONAL EXAM”?

    WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THAT COMMITTEE?
    HAS IT EVER MET? WITH WHAT RESULTS, IDEAS. OR CONSEQUENT CHANGES FOR THE BETTER, HOWEVER SMALL?.

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  • Q What is the objective of the BCC nursing program if there is a challenge with clinicals?
    A THE AIM IS OR SHOULD BE TO TRAIN NURSES TO SERVE THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY WERE BORN AND WHO ESSENTIALLY PAID FOR THEIR TRAINING.

    LAST EXAM THEY GOT 4/31 TO PASS THE REGIONAL EXAM! BETTER THAN NONE!

    GOING FORWARD THOSE WHO FAIL THE REGIONAL EXAM OUGHT TO BE EMPLOYED AT LOWER PAY, SUBJECT TO RELEVANT CHANGES IN THE LAW.
    DURING THEIR SERVICE THEY CAN BE RE-EXAMINED FOR INCREASED COMPETENCY.

    Dullard February 21, 2019 12:25 PM

    @ Dr. GP Please go easy on The Dribbler.

    He is basically Lexicon with a slightly better grasp of grammar. How so, you ask? They both share (among others) these ”qualities”:

    a penchant for missing the point
    a penchant for making the US the centre of the discussion
    a penchant for being long-winded and using arcane language

    I WONT GO EASY ON THIS IDIOT, BUT YOU ARE 100% CORRECT!

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  • RE In February 2019 Minister of Health Jefferey Bostic was reported in the press that he will be asking for a meeting with the Minister of Health to review the course work at BCC because of a high fail rate by nurses completing the regional examination. The minister’s position is supported by the following news column with a call to recruit nurses from overseas.

    HERE WE HAVE ANOTHER MEDICAL ILLITERATE WHO SHOULD RETURN TO MARCHING AROUND THE GARRISON!

    WHY DOES THIS MEDICAL ILLITERATE NOT UNDERSTAND THAT COURSE WORK HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH PASSING REGIONAL EXAMINATIONS, UNLESS OUR STUDENTS AND OUR PROGRAM IS INFERIOR TO OTHER REGIONAL STUDENTS AND PROGRAMS.

    I SUSPECT THAT IF THE MEDICAL POLITICAL ILLITERATI WILL INVESTIGATE, THAT THEY MIGHT FIND THAT IN THE REGION FEWER NURSING STUDENTS ARE BEING TRAINED IN THE OLD OLD WAY THAT HAS WORKED FOR YEARS.

    The question to our planners is – with the heavy investment in education why do we have to recruit nurses from overseas?

    BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SO TO APPEAR TO BE DOING SOMETHING.

    What is so difficult about ensuring the nursing syllabus at BCC is aligned with that of the Regional Examination for Nurse Registration?

    AS POINTED OUT ALL READY, I AM SURE THAT THE ISSUE HAS MORE TO DO WITH OUR GIRLS NOT PASSING THE CLINICAL COMPONENT OF THE EXAMS BECAUSE OF AN INCREASING INABILITY TO HAVE THE NECESSARY QUANTITY OF “HANDS ON” EXPERIENCES.

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  • millertheanunnaki

    @ David February 21, 2019 12:16 PM

    The ‘challenge’ still remains as to why nurses who have met all the training and certification requirements and employed in public health institutions like the QEH are leaving Barbados to work overseas, if not for financially greener pastures, thereby creating acute shortages in critical clinical areas.

    How should this outflow of a costly training investment be stemmed other than by means of a change in curriculum for a tourniquet?

    Should Barbados be training nurses (and others with globally marketable skills) for export and as a source of forex remittances like the Philippines?

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  • Georgie Porgie

    What do you mean when states that nurses aren’t trained in the old way that has worked?

    You mean peeing and pooping in the topsy and having a spoon shove under your tongue? I am quite sure it has worked in the past, but we are now living in the year 2019…

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  • RE Henderson Pinder, Director of Nursing Services at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital. (FP) personnel are coming from that institution, Pinder said. “The Barbados Community College and the Queen Elizabeth Hospital have a partnership in which Barbados Community College offers aspiring nurses with the educational framework to pursue a career in nursing, and the QEH provides BCC nursing students and graduates with internship and job opportunities.”

    IT SEEMS THAT THIS SQUARE PEG IN THE PROVERBIAL ROUND HOLE IS ALSO EFFLUX FROM HIS SHELVES OF HOUSTON RATHER THAN IN THE REGION OF ORBICULARIS ORI

    HE MUST KNOW OR OUGHT TO KNOW THAT CURRENTLY THAT WHEREAS The Barbados Community College and the Queen Elizabeth Hospital have a partnership in which Barbados Community College offers aspiring nurses with the educational framework to pursue a career in nursing,THAT the QEH NO LONGER provides BCC nursing students and graduates with ADEQUATE CLINICAL TRAINING AND LITTLE TRAINING IN SPECIAL AREAS.

    HE OUGHT TO KNOW.
    HE IS PAID TO KNOW

    RE “However, although many nursing students go on to attain a Bachelor of Science degree in nursing from the Barbados Community College, many fail to pass Regional Examination for Nursing Registration (RENR). This is a matter which we need to urgently rectify to increase the number of registered nurses available on island.”

    WE KNOW THIS MR PINDER, YA DUMMY!
    TELL US HOW, AND WHY AND WHEN NEXT TIME YOU TALK. CLEARLY YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE. YOU ARE STEALING YOUR PAY IT SEEMS.

    BEFORE COMING IN THE PUBLIC ARENA WITH THIS DRIVEL YOU SHOULD HAVE RESEARCHED THE WHY OF THE SITUATION AND BE ABLE TO TELL US ABOUT THE PATHWAY FORWARD

    INSTEAD OF TELLING US This is a matter which we need to urgently rectify to increase the number of registered nurses available on island, YOU SHOULD BE TELLING US WHEN AND HOW!.

    RE Chairman of the QEH’s Board of Management, Juliette Bynoe-Sutherland said: “We also recognize that we retain nurses who work at the QEH by making them feel more valued, recognizing their contribution and addressing matters such as salary, conditions of work, benefits and staff amenities. The Government has committed to providing for upward mobility of nurses as specialist nurses and the QEH will be working closely with the Barbados Nurses Association and Nursing Council to achieve this goal.”

    ANOTHER ILL EQUIPPED MORON WHO IS NOT REALLY SAYING A PANG AS THE YOUTH SAY

    RE Given the shortage of nurses, the Queen Elizabeth Hospital plans to look overseas.
    Director of Nursing Services at QEH, Henderson Pinder, said it was necessary to ensure the continued, safe, patient centred delivery of nursing services, especially in the Accident and Emergency (A& E) Department.

    The need to look outside for nurses has been compounded by those interested in the profession but failed examinations at the regional level after successfully gaining their Bachelor of Science degrees in nursing from the Barbados Community College (BCC).

    AGAIN THE IDIOTS ARE LOOKING FOR A QUICK FIX, INSTEAD OF WORKING WITH THE WOMEN WHO HAVE TRAINED LOCALLY AND SEEKING TO ENHANCE THEIR PROFICIENCY!

    LET US PUNISH THE GIRLS FOR NOT PASSING THE REGIONAL EXAM IS THEIR ANSWER, JUST LIKE WE PUNISHED THE CRICKETERS WHO DARED TO GO TO SOUTH AFRICA FOR LIFE……….WE ARE STILL SUFFERING THE CONSEQUENCES.

    IN LIKE MANNER THE REPEATED QUICK FIXES TO HAVE ADEQUATE NUMBERS OF NURSES WILL ALSO HAVE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES

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  • RE You mean peeing and pooping in the topsy and having a spoon shove under your tongue? I am quite sure it has worked in the past, but we are now living in the year 2019…

    NO FENTY I WAS REFERRING TO THE THINGS YOU USED TO DO WITH THE POLICE BEHIND DISTRICT A WALL!

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  • Georgie Porgie

    Behind District A wall is the 5th Ave Park Road Bush Hall … so there is no such thing as Behind District A wall … It is just where my family and others used to live … so you homosexual tendency is obvious now …

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  • RE Some of the recommendations reported in the media:- IN 2010 WERE

    Admission requirements and student intake – no more than 80 students should be admitted
    annually over the next three years. This would be reviewed at the end of the period.

    IS THIS WHY WE ONLY HAD 31 IN THE LAST BATCH?

    Admission should be considered at three levels – academic requirements, entrance level/proficiency test, and aptitude assessment.

    WHAT ABOUT THE DESIRE TO BE A NURSE? SHOULD THIS BE INITIALLY CONSIDERED AS WELL WITH THE OTHERS?

    All tutors should participate in clinical activities,
    WAS THE MORON SUGGESTING THAT THE TUTORS PARTICIPATE IN THE POLYCLINICA AND HOSPITAL AS WELL AS TEACH IN THE CLASSROOM? IS THIS REASONABLE? HOW MANY TEACHERS ARE THEY? HOW MANY CONTACT HOURS WOULD THEY HAVE FOR IN CLASS TEACHING AND FOR CLINICAL TUTORING?

    and a comprehensive examination should be reinstated.
    IN WHICH COLLEGE SETTING IS THERE COMPREHENSIVE EXAMINATIONS.
    WHAT DID THE TWITS IN THE MINISTRY REALLY MEAN BY COMPREHENSIVE EXAMINATION

    The Nursing Council of Barbados has evaluated the General Nursing Programme and has submitted its report to stakeholders,” said Inniss as he listed the changes.

    DID INNISS AND HIS FELLOW TWITS LISTEN TO THE INPUT OF The Nursing Council of Barbados? IF NOT? WHY NOT? IF SO, HOW SO?

    HOW HAS ALL THIS IMPACTED ON THE PROGRAM OR THE RECENT RESULTS?

    ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS SHOULD INFORM THE PATHWAY FORWARD

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  • @BU
    One message come through to me.

    There are people in the diaspora who can add to the conversation and bring meaningful suggestions/solutions.

    At times it appears that we would prefer to look for a select few for the answers even though we know they know not. The idea that you become an Einstein after winning an election is hurting the island.

    We need to look for people with expertise to solve the problem. Tho those in charge draft GP for some committee. He does not seem to be a follower of one arty or the other and that is a strength,

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  • Don’t you like typos,
    They make a mockery of any contribution.

    @BU
    One message comes through to me.

    There are people in the diaspora who can add to the conversation and bring meaningful suggestions/solutions.

    At times it appears that we would prefer to look at a select few for the answers even though we know they know not. The idea that you become an Einstein after winning an election is hurting the island.

    We need to look for people with the expertise to solve our problems. Tho those in charge, draft GP for some committee. He does not seem to be a follower of one party or the other and that is his strength,

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  • YOU ARE TOO KIND THEO, THIS TIME

    WHAT WE NEED IS FOR FOLK IN POSITION OR POWER TO SIT IN A QUIET SPOT AND THINK, AND ASK RELEVANT QUESTIONS AND SEEK ANSWERS FROM THOSE WHO KNOW OR SHOULD KNOW.

    IT IS AMAZING THE DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THAT USED TO ABOUND, AND PROBABLY STILL ABOUNDS IN BIM

    THE CURRENT OR RECENT PROFESSOR OF ANATOMY AT UWI MONA, WHEN AN INTERN AT QEH WAS CORRECTED BY ONE OF THE THEATER ORDERLIES MANY YEARS AGO,WHO TOLD HIM THAT HE WAS REDUCING A PARTICULAR FRACTURE INCORRECTLY.

    THE YOUNG DOCTOR CONTINUED. WHEN THE BOSS, MR FW WARD CAME THE ORDERLY COMPLAINED TO WARDIE, WHO SENT THE YOUNGSTER TO DO IT PROPERLY AS HE WAS ADVISED

    YOU SEE THOSE OLD ORDERLIES WHO WORKED IN THEATER HAD SEEN CERTAIN THINGS OVER AND OVER. WITH OUT KNOWING ALL THE ANATOMY, THEY WERE INTELLIGENT MEN WHO KNOW WHEN SOMETHING LOOKED RIGHT AND WHEN THINGS WERE BEING DONE CORRECTLY.

    MANY NIGHTS SOME OF THESE GENTS WERE MY BACK SEAT DRIVERS. WHEN DOING THREATENED AND INCOMPLETE ABORTIONS.

    WITH RESPECT TO THE NURSES IN THE 70’S. IT WAS THE EXCEPTIONAL MIDWIVES WITH 30-40 YEARS OF DELIVERING BABIES WHO TAUGHT THE MEDICAL STUDENTS IN LABOUR WARD.

    WITH RESPECT TO MIDWIVES WHO RUN THE ANTENATAL CLINICS AND MATERNAL HEALTH CLINICS IN THE POLYCLINICS , ON READING THEIR NOTES AND COMPARING THEM WITH THE DRS NOTES, YOU OUGHT TO CHOSE THEM OVER EVEN THE SPECIALISTS FOR ANTENATAL CARE AND EARLY HEALTH CARE OF THE YOUNG BABIES IN THE COMMUNITY..

    I HAD GREAT GREAT RESPECT FOR MANY OF THE SENIOR NURSES WITH WHOM I WORKED.

    THE POLITICIANS REMOVED THE INFLUENCE AND TEACHING SKILLS AVAILABLE FROM THESE EXPERT WOMEN FROM OUR YOUNG NURSING STUDENTS, WHEN THE MORONS WENT FROM DECIDING TO TRAINING OUR WOULD BE NURSES IN A COLLEGE INSTEAD OF LEAVING THEM IN THE HANDS OF THESE WOMEN IN THE INFLUENCE OF THE OLD FASHIONED NURSING SCHOOLS.

    FOR THE SAKE OF SAVING 30 PIECES OF SILVER FROM THE PUBLIC PURSE, THE POLITICAL IDIOTS THUS CONTRIBUTED IMMENSELY TO THE DECLINE OF NURSING EDUCATION IN BARBADOS.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Correct Mr Blogmaster interesting comments in the main.

    To @Artax, we can all agree that accurate, insightful comments from one who has direct experience in this area adds value and light to the discourse…with good specificity.

    I spoke in general management terms and nothing the doc said takes away from the thrust that the BCC team must either revisit some aspects of their program or simply stated stop suggesting that students who complete that nursing degree are well prepared for a regional exam to be a trained PRACTICING nurse.

    It makes no management sense ( in terms of process and objectives) to align the BSc to the regional exam if a paltry 10% or thereabouts (4 of 31…thank you @ Hants) are passing.

    There is a clear disconnect there.

    I have no intent to prolix here as the doc has as I have no precise knowlege of the BCC and related programs but suffice to say that his broadside about the change from a nursing school setup to the BCC programs is a more complex debate and his pros for the former does NOT negate that the latter CAN work.

    It’s also rather strange that medical professional would tout insular training as ideal vrs a professional who meets a regional standard…that completely turns things on it’s head in my view.

    Incidentally how is it that everyone one else is a moron ..

    SMH…

    I gone

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  • Georgie Porgie words:

    “I had great respect for some of the senior nurses I worked with”

    I am quite sure you did … because haft of the time they taught you how to do your job the right way GP …

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  • Georgie Porgie

    I can see you right now GP … prescribing the wrong medication for patients and having the nurse correcting your mistakes…

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  • WHAT WE NEED IS FOR FOLK IN POSITION OR POWER TO SIT IN A QUIET SPOT AND THINK, AND ASK RELEVANT QUESTIONS AND SEEK ANSWERS FROM THOSE WHO KNOW OR SHOULD KNOW.

    And that is the problem, GP. The teachers at primary school tell me the MOE does not value their input and I am sure that this obtains for every other ministry.

    Too much ego. They do not listen.

    P.S. You do not have to be an expert in the field to make a good minister. See how I read your posts and recognized their logic? You just have to be smart enough to listen to ALL stakeholders and understand. Without the stupid ego.

    That is not how our society works. That’s why we are in this position. We are insecure and need to prove that we are IN CHARGE.

    Nobody wants to LISTEN.

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  • For the love of GOD, Lexicon! What really is your point?

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  • “……..and nothing the doc said takes away from the thrust that the BCC team must either revisit some aspects of their program or simply stated stop suggesting that students who complete that nursing degree are well prepared for a regional exam to be a trained PRACTICING nurse.”

    Mr. dpD

    You must forgive me, I’m just an appalling ignorant paranoid bookkeeper who is devoid of critical thought as a result of learning by rote.

    However, my understanding of the salient point of your contribution is, if the practical aspect of the nursing degree program is inadequate, according to the reasons as outlined by Dr. GP……which obviously is beyond the control of BCC, then the college’s hierarchy should revisit the structure of the syllabus?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    “… because haft of the time they taught you how to do your job the right way GP …”

    Mr. Lexicon

    Despite being “told” my MO is trying to prove people wrong, which now is not my intention……I have noticed you constantly use the word “HAFT,” which is basically the handle of an axe or like tool.

    Perhaps you meant to use “HALF.”

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  • dpd
    q. how is it that everyone one else is a moron ..
    a. simple because they are and because like Sparrow if I say so; SO it is so, moron!

    re It’s also rather strange that medical professional would tout insular training as ideal vrs a professional who meets a regional standard…that completely turns things on it’s head in my view.

    What regional standard idiot? EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD,PEOPLE TRAIN FOLK TO A STANDARD THAT THEY THINK IS SATISFACTORY FOR THEIR NEEDS.

    WHEN WE BRING NURSES FROM HERE THERE AND EVERYWHERE HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE MET THE REGIONAL STANDARD, MORON? WE DONT EVEN KNOW IF THEY HAVE MET THEIR STANDARD.

    E.G THE USA HALF TRAIN THEIR MEDICAL STUDENTS SO THAT THEY CAN ENTER RESIDENCIES TO SLAVE FOR THREE YEARS AFTER WHICH THEY ARE QUALIFIED IN ONE AREA MAINLY. IN OTHER WORDS THEY TRAIN THEIR MEDICAL STUDENTS TO SUIT THEIR NEED AND PURPOSE.

    IN THE BRITISH COMMONWEALTH DOCTORS ARE GENERALLY TRAINED TO A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD IN FIVE YEARS! THEY TRAIN DOCTORS TO THE BRITISH STANDARD!
    A STANDARD THAT EQUIPS THEIR DOCTORS TO PERFORM IN SEVERAL SPHERES AS ALL ROUNDERS.

    RE I have no intent to prolix here as the doc has as I have no precise knowlege of the BCC and related programs
    SO THEN YOU SHOULD SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP CAUSE YOU TALKING SHIT, AS USUAL

    RE but suffice to say that his broadside about the change from a nursing school setup to the BCC programs is a more complex debate and his pros for the former does NOT negate that the latter CAN work.

    INDEED IT IS TOO COMPLEX FOR YOU TO COMPREHEND BECAUSE YOU ARE A BETZPAENIC MORON .

    I DID NOT SAY THAT THE NEWER SYSTEM CAN NOT WORK…BUT I KNOW THAT THE OLD WAY IS FAR SUPERIOR, BECAUSE IT WAS BASED PRIMARILY ON PRACTICE IN THE CLINICAL AREA ALONGSIDE STALWARTS, SUPPLEMENTED BY SOME CLASSROOM SESSIONS INSTEAD OF THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

    ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE EXCHANGED THE OLD BRITISH SYSTEM WHICH WORKED FOR THE INFERIOR NEW AMERICAN SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY AT A TIME WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH STUDENTS WHO ARE NOT AS STELLAR AS THOSE OF OLD.

    WE ARE TRAINING GIRLS TO HAVE DEGREES — AND THAT IS OK. IT WOULD BE BETTER TO TRAIN THE GIRLS ALONGSIDE STALWARTS TO BE CLINICIANS—-WHILE THEY GET DEGREES.

    RE I spoke in general management terms
    NO YOU SPOKE ABOUT MATTERS ABOUT WHICH YOU KNOW NOTHING.

    and nothing the doc said takes away from the thrust that the BCC team must either revisit some aspects of their program or simply stated stop suggesting that students who complete that nursing degree are well prepared for a regional exam to be a trained PRACTICING nurse.

    HOW IS IT THAT A REGIONAL EXAM QUALIFIES A LOCAL NURSE AS A TRAINED PRACTICING nurse. DUMMY.

    MAYBE THE BCC SHOULD ADMIT BRIGHTER GIRLS! BUT SUCH GIRLS ARE NOW MEDICAL AND LAW STUDENTS ETC, YA MORON.

    SINCE WHEN HAVE WE STARTED TO DECIDE THAT REGIONAL EXAMS SHOULD DECIDE WHO SHOULD BE PRACTICING NURSES.

    THE GREAT NURSES WITH WHOM I WORKED, AND WHOM I AND MANY DRS MUCH BETTER THAN ME REVERE, DID NOT TAKE ANY REGIONAL EXAMS.

    YOU, OR I DO NOT KNOW IF THE GIRLS WERE WELL PREPARED OR NOT. WE KNOW ONLY THAT ONLY 4 OUT OF 31 PASSED!

    MAYBE HALF OR ALL OF THEM WERE HAVING THEIR PERIODS AT EXAM TIME.

    IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT EVEN BRIGHT GIRLS PERFORM POORLY IN EXAMS AT THIS TIME. DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT DUMMY?

    AT LEAST SUCH GIRLS HAVE THAT EXCUSE. WHAT EXCUSE DO YOU HAVE FOR BEING ALWAYS A BETZPAENIC MORON? THE PERIODIC SYNDROME?

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  • @TheOGazerts

    The Vision 20 ‘We Gatherin” initiative to be launched tomorrow is designed to target the diaspore if the blogmaster understands what has been posted in the media.

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  • @Dee Word

    If the blogmaster understands what the Doctor is saying, the issue is not about course work per se but the lack of opportunity to do clinical. Who is to blame for this gap?

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  • DONA SAID See how I read your posts and recognized their logic?

    DONNA. YOU READ MY POSTS AND UNDERSTAND MY LOGIC BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A BETZPAENIC MORON. BUT OBVIOUSLY A SMART WOMAN

    ARTAX

    RE However, my understanding of the salient point of your contribution is, if the practical aspect of the nursing degree program is inadequate, according to the reasons as outlined by Dr. GP……which obviously is beyond the control of BCC, then the college’s hierarchy should revisit the structure of the syllabus?

    AT NO STAGE DID I SAY THAT the practical aspect of the nursing degree program is inadequate……….OR THAT THIS IS beyond the control of BCC NOR DO I NECESSARILY THINK THAT the college’s hierarchy should revisit the structure of the syllabus

    FROM MY EXPERIENCE TEACHING OFTEN IT IS THE STUDENTS THAT ARE AT FAULT
    THERE ARE EITHER NOT SMART
    OR THEY DO NOT WORK HARD ENOUGH
    OR THEY ARE POOR EXAM TAKERS
    OR THEY DONT READ EXAM QUESTIONS PROPERLY ETC ETC

    WHY IS IT THAT 4 STUDENTS PASS?

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  • @ BU DAVID

    RE If the blogmaster understands what the Doctor is saying, the issue is not about course work per se but the lack of opportunity to do clinical.

    I CAN NOT BE SURE THAT THIS IS EXACTLY THE CASE BUT I AM WILLING TO BET THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF THE SCENES I MET WHEN I LAST VISITED TWO OF OUR CLINICS IN 2012. THE NURSES I SAW COULD NOT POSSIBLY DO MUCH TEACHING

    WHEN I WORKED IN THE POLYCLINICS WHEN I HAD INTERESTING CASES WITH GOOD “CLINICAL MATERIAL:” I WENT DOWN THE CORRIDORS AND GOT THE STUDENTS AND BROUGHT THEM TO MY OFFICE AND TAUGHT THEM LIKE I WAS TAUGHT AS A MED STUDENT.

    THE NURSES MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO TEACH THE NURSING STUDENTS ON AFTERNOONS AND RELATE THEIR CLASSROOM TEACHING TO CLINICAL SCENARIOS

    FROM WHAT I SAW OF THE CHAOTIC ACTIVITY IN THE TWO CLINICS I VISITED IN 2012, I AM NOT SURE THAT I WOULD HAVE HAD THE TIME TO TEACH NURSING STUDENTS AS I DID FROM 85 TO 96

    I BELIEVE THAT THE GIRLS ARE NOT GETTING THE CLINICAL TEACHING AS PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE THE CURRENT SYSTEM DEPRIVES THEM OF THIS

    IF I AM CORRECT, THIS WILL NOT IMPROVE UNTIL WE HAVE THE STALWART NURSES ON THE WARDS LIKE SISTER BUTCHER , MARIE FORDE OR STEPHANIE BRYAN WHO BECAME THE PERFUSIONIST AND NURSES LIKE BETTY, THE CARDIAC TRAINED NURSE I SAW WASTED IN THE POLYCLINICS. AND THE MIDWIVES

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  • Record student failures threaten nursing – Barbados Nurses Association
    By Barbados Today
    February 21, 2019

    (BARBADOS TODAY) — Nursing students are failing the course at a “horrendous” rate, threatening the nursing system, the head of the nurse’s association has told Barbados TODAY.

    And the President of the Barbados Nurses Association, Joannah Waterman, has called for the re-establishing of a school of nursing – more than 30 years after it was absorbed into the general education system.

    She revealed that out of 31 students entered to set the Regional Examination for Nurses Registration, only four students – a mere 11 per cent – passed the examination.

    Also describing the pass rate as “the worst rate yet”, Waterman added that the shortage of graduates from the Community College was crippling.

    Waterman said: “The impact of these low pass rates is contributing to the decrease of nursing personnel available per service and therefore presents a problem for efficient delivery of patient care.”

    The BNA head, who is herself a part-time Community College tutor disclosed that the “problematic” high failure rates was recognized by educators and facilitators in 2003 when the intake of students increased to 120 to facilitate the demand for nurses. But the large roll, coupled with a lack of resources and staff, has affected the programme.

    “The mandate of the then government was to increase numbers in an effort to fulfill service needs,” Waterman said. “It is very necessary to fulfill service needs but what did not happen at that time was the commencement of resources, human and otherwise, that was needed for efficient delivery of the programme to this large number of students.”

    Most of the graduates had struggled to pass the fundamental nursing courses and had to repeat other subjects in order to make the grade, the BRNA president told Barbados TODAY.

    Waterman also revealed that the preceptorship programme, in which studentnurses are guided by veterans, was ineffective because the number of students assigned to the care institutions overwhelmed supervisors at the hospitals and clinics facing high patient loads.

    Waterman said: “The most critical component of the nursing programme is really clinical . . . . The students rotate through the settings of the Queen Elizabeth Hospital and different institutions according to the objective and skills that have to be achieved and so a major deficiency is the large number of students being attached to one acute care institution and no structured preceptorship programme.

    “The present ratio of clinical instructors to students has never been adequate and in fact, the clinicians in the field are therefore relied on to teach and supervise students while managing their patient care loads in the face of acute shortages within the institution.”

    She noted Prime Minister Mottley’s talks with the American, for-profit healthcare and nursing school, Chamberlain University – a member of the Adtalem Global Education which owns Ross University School of Medicine.

    Waterman told Barbados TODAY that the BRNA has sent the Prime Minister an outline of the corrective measures needed to reduce or eliminate the present failure rates.

    She stressed that Barbados needed its own nursing school that would engage students and address their weaknesses as well maintain a faculty of well-qualified clinical tutors and instructors with the skills and experience for teaching, mentoring and coaching nursing students

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  • My cousin is an RN trained at the BCC. She was born for the job. She talks about it all the time. She was not sure she would enjoy it so started out as something called a candy striper. The Matron encouraged her to go to the BCC and paid her her full salary while training. During one of the final exams, she was pregnant with her second child and had to leave the examination room to be sick. The invigilator would not let her back in to finish the paper. However, the Matron arranged for her to rewrite it and she passed with flying colours. Soon after that she was sent to Jamaica for a course in something and later I think to the US. All at the hospitals expense. Her ambition is to get as much training as possible so she can work at a polyclinic.

    My girlfriend’s niece is a Bajan paid for anesthesiologist. She got her training and other post graduate studies at the taxpayers expense, did her internship, workd for another year, then took off for Turks and Caicos.

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  • By the way, my cousin has expressed the wish to work in Canada or the US for a year to get experience in a large hospital but she has no intention of leaving her husband, kids and patients otherwise.

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  • I cannot believe that the prime minister is thinking of (or discussing) outsourcing the training of Barbadian nurses to Ross University, or anyone. I have said before that while the Stuart-led DLP was grossly incompetent, the Mottley-led BLP has an agenda. It is going to end in tears.
    Barbados is a failed state.

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  • THOUGH I HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE LOCAL CLINICAL SCENE FOR 23 YEARS, IT IS CLEAR THAT MY COMMENTS TODAY ARE 100% ACCURATE

    IT IS NOTE THAT MIA MAO MUGABE MUTTLEY IS SO STUPID THAT HER ONLY SOLUTION IS TO THINK THAT ONE SHOULD REVERT TO AN OVERSEAS NURSING SCHOOL TO SOLVE A SIMPLE LOCAL PROBLEM, WHICH IS IN THE EFFORT TO MAKE A QUICK FIX IN THE PASS YOU ENROLLED TOO MANY STUDENTS TO A SCHOOL WHERE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE REQUISITE CLINICAL FULL TIME STAFF, OR THE VOLUNTARY STAFF IN THE CLINICS AND THE QEH.

    THIS PROBLEM WILL ONLY BE SOLVED BY A HARD SOLID DETERMINED GRIND OVER TIME, WITH SOME LEGAL SAFE GUARDS THAT WILL PROHIBIT STUDENTS FROM BEING RECRUITED OVERSEAS, AS THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT CATAPULTED THE NURSING SCENARIO INTO ITS CURRENT CHAOS.

    TELL MUTTLEY THAT Chamberlain University – a member of the Adtalem Global Education which owns Ross University School of Medicine CAN NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM..

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  • @ HAL
    RE I cannot believe that the prime minister is thinking of (or discussing) outsourcing the training of Barbadian nurses to Ross University, or anyone. I have said before that while the Stuart-led DLP was grossly incompetent, the Mottley-led BLP has an agenda. It is going to end in tears.
    Barbados is a failed state.

    BELIEVE IT SIR BELIEVE IT
    THIS WOMAN IS A BIG MOUT DUMMY SURROUNDED BY 28 DUMMIES OF THE CALIBRE OF MARK FENTY AND DE PEDANTIC DRIBBLER.

    YES INDEED Barbados is a failed state. ONLY GOD CAN BRING US BACK
    BUT MUTTLEY IS NEITHER MOSES OR THE MESSIAH

    DEAR DARLING DONNA WHY DONT YOU RUN FOR OFFICE? GET ARTAX TO MANAGE THE FINANCES

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  • In Barbados those who can only “talk” are much preferred over those who can “do”.

    The standard of basic schooling in Barbados has fallen to such a low level that only 2% of this year’s graduates of the Samuel Jackman Prescod Polytechnic were able to get the full diploma of the institute. According to the Principal of the SJPP students failed to pass basic literacy and numeracy courses of their respective programs!

    It is an indictment on those in authority that GP can from far away “connect the dots” while they can only utter vapid drivel.

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  • The blogmaster is struggling with what the minister of health Bostic is reported to have said read he will be meeting with minister of education Bradshaw and what the prime minister is quoted to have said in the article above.

    She noted Prime Minister Mottley’s talks with the American, for-profit healthcare and nursing school, Chamberlain University – a member of the Adtalem Global Education which owns Ross University School of Medicine.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax, why wear that folly others ascribed to you…I have certainly never termed u as such so not sure why u ‘introed’ ur piece with dat 😂.

    But to the main point… my “salient point” based on David’s essay/recap of news stories is that the BCC degree is disconnected from the regional exam.

    Either WE are wrong to associate the two as we are or the program is inadequate!

    The point of clinicals is pertinent but rather “obvious” from a commonsense practical perspective (this is nursing not Eng Lit) : hands on clinical work MUST be done and scheduled accordingly.

    Bluntly stated therefore the BCC educators KNOW that so I can’t imagine the supposed lack of that is a valid “excuse”.

    Therefore @Mr Blogmaster the gap would have to be on the BCC team.

    We have been advised that the process was changed , we have also been advised by he who knows best that the new process can work but he prefers the old one….

    … But what has not been answered is how do they fundamentally DIFFER in providing the time and team to complete the clinicals (assuming that’s the base issue)!

    It’s amusing to read this man’s vitriole and then he states in his own way exactly what I said previously.

    If …for example … he now says the hectic process would have likely prevented him from conducting on-hands training now as done previously then how does the old process merit debate now as better!

    Anyhow typing on phone is tiring. I would love to elaborate generally on what’s been said so maybe later if I get some time on the PC lata.

    Incidentally Doc u mentioned a few old nurses and I laughed …my family is among ur revered professionals …. I didn’t get her smarts obviously 😂 but definitely her commonsense and savvy cause I’m sure she cussed ur heiny back den too!

    I gone do.

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  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    (quote) The standard of basic schooling in Barbados has fallen to such a low level that only 2% of this year’s graduates of the Samuel Jackman Prescod Polytechnic were able to get the full diploma of the institute. According to the Principal of the SJPP students failed to pass basic literacy and numeracy courses of their respective programs! (quote)

    @ Ping Pong February 21, 2019 7:38 PM

    I find that hard to believe, where can i find this information that u stated.

    I would like to see these literacy and numeracy test that 98% appear to be failing

    Just asking

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  • Nothing is as it appears.
    Some ass will come and write a short paragraph about qualification at Ross University, mention Salemite and end with a hashtag,
    Then a next ass will come and call names without using commas,
    ‘And the big con goes on

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  • Too much misinformation:
    https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2018/04/26/more-community-colleges-are-offering-bachelors-degrees

    In any event, as someone indicated, it can be called and provide whatever in Bdos it is not Amurka.

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  • Put Education back in the hands of the Anglican,Moravian and Methodist churches.Involve these parish priests who couldn’t vote for a bishop among themselves so that they become more involved in the nurturing of the of the youth rather than politicizing the Anglican Church in particular.
    Didn’t Barbados boast of a Tercentenary School of Nursing years ago.I know of a youngster who wanted to do nursing in the 70s but because there was a cap on the numbers admitted she had to forego her life ambition.There can never be too many nurses given the worldwide demand for them.
    I support the call for a Barbados School or College of Nursing up to first degree standard for a start.
    Pride and industry are still our watchwords.The last government destroyed both the pride and the industry.It was easier to join the Fatted Calf Brigade and practice corruption and thieving.#Sumsbeeches.

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  • DPD THE MORON

    RE But to the main point… my “salient point” based on David’s essay/recap of news stories is that the BCC degree is disconnected from the regional exam. Either WE are wrong to associate the two as we are or the program is inadequate!

    MY SALIENT POINT IS THAT YOU ARE A BETZPAENIC ASS OF THE SIMILITUDE OF DOMPEY. YOU ARE PRACTICING THE FALLACY OF THE UN- EXCLUDED MIDDLE.

    IF STUDENTS PASS A LOCAL EXAM AND FAIL A REGIONAL EXAM THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE BCC PROGRAM IS INADEQUATE. IT MEANS THAT PERHAPS THE STUDENTS ARE POOR. OR THE REGIONAL EXAM IS REALLY UNNECESSARY!

    I POINTED OUY EARLIER THE TIME WHEN UWI MED STUDENTS PASSED AN OVERSEAS OR INTERNATIONAL EXAM, BUT COULD NOT OR DID NOT PASS THE LOCAL EXAM.
    DID THIS MAKE THE UWI INADEQUATE, YA IDIOT

    ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE BCC EXAM SHOULD OVER RULE THE REGIONAL EXAM.
    WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE REGIONAL EXAM IDIOT? WHEN AND WHY DID IT ARISE?
    CAN YOU TELL ME?

    RE The point of clinicals is pertinent but rather “obvious” from a commonsense practical perspective (this is nursing not Eng Lit) : hands on clinical work MUST be done and scheduled accordingly. Bluntly stated therefore the BCC educators KNOW that so I can’t imagine the supposed lack of that is a valid “excuse”. Therefore @Mr Blogmaster the gap would have to be on the BCC team.

    AGAIN YOU WANT TO KNOCK THE BCC TEAM IN YOUR OBVIOUS IGNORANCE — BUT SOME STUDENTS ACTUALLY PASSED DESPITE THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT PROVIDED AN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF TEACHING STAFF. SO THERE IS NO GAP IN THE BCC TEAM. THE BCC TEAM NO DOUBT DID THEIR JOB AS BEST THEY COULD WITH THE MEANS AT THEIR DISPOSAL

    RE We have been advised that the process was changed , we have also been advised by he who knows best that the new process can work but he prefers the old one….

    JACKASS FOR THE NEW PROCESS TO WORK YOU NEED MORE STAFF THAN FOR THE OLDER SYSTEM!

    THE OLD PROCESS IS BETTER BECAUSE LEARNING WAS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DAILY GRIND……..CLINICAL EXAMPLE AND MENTORING WAS PART OF THE DAILY GRIND. AND IT IS MORE USEFUL FOR PATIENT CARE, AND IN EVERY OTHER PARAMETER.

    WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE NURSES ARE ASKING FOR A NURSING SCHOOL?
    .
    RE … But what has not been answered is how do they fundamentally DIFFER in providing the time and team to complete the clinicals (assuming that’s the base issue)!

    YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND. IT HAS ALL BEEN POINTED OUT ABOVE, BUT THE MIS-WIRING OF YOUR BETZPAENIC BRAIN DOES NOT PERMIT YOU TO COMPREHEND, YA JACKASS.

    RE It’s amusing to read this man’s vitriole and then he states in his own way exactly what I said previously.
    WHAT EXACTLY HAVE YOU SAID PREVIOUSLY OF WORTH JACKASS THAT I WOULD REPEAT.
    WHY WOULD I WANT TO STOOP SO LOW TO REPEAT ANYTHING A PIECE OF SCUM LIKE YOU WOULD SAY. ARE YOU NOT THE FOOL THAT TRIED TO TEACH ME ABOUT CERVICAL INJURIES AND EMERGENCY POST MORTEMS..

    RE If …for example … he now says the hectic process would have likely prevented him from conducting on-hands training now as done previously then how does the old process merit debate now as better!

    WHERE DID I SAY THAT I CONDUCTED HANDS ON TRAINING TO ANYONE MORON? WHERE? READ WHAT I SAID ONCE MORE. TRY TO UNDERSTAND INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR A GOTCHA MOMENT.

    RE Anyhow typing on phone is tiring. I would love to elaborate generally on what’s been said so maybe later if I get some time on the PC lata.
    PLEASE STAY AWAY YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD OF CONSEQUENCE

    RE Incidentally Doc u mentioned a few old nurses and I laughed …my family is among the revered professionals …. I didn’t get her smarts obviously but definitely her commonsense and savvy cause I’m sure she cussed ur heiny back den too!

    I KNOW WHOM YOU MUST BE RELATED TO. YOU MUST MEAN ONE OF THE TWO SISTERS IN WHOSE PRESENCE I WOULD GIVE THE ORDERS TO THE NURSING STUDENT BECAUSE I THOUGHT SHE WAS SO STUPID THAT IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO GIVE THE ORDERS TO THE STUDENT THAN TO SISTER. I ACTUALLY USED TO DO THAT TO TWO PERSONS.

    THE NURSES I SPOKE OF NOT IN YOUR SOCIAL CLASS FOOL

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  • GABRIEL
    WHEN THE CHURCH WAS DISESTABLISHED IN 1969. THIS AFFECTED THE PRIMARY SCHOOLS MORE THAN WE REALLY KNOW

    THE Tercentenary School of Nursing WAS DISCONTINUED YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS DECIDED BY GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE BETTER JUDGEMENT OF THE NURSING FRATERNITY TO EDUCATE NURSES AT THE BCC INSTEAD OF TRAINING THEM IN THE HOSPITAL AND NURSING SCHOOL SETTING.

    YOU SEE WE WANTED TO ABANDON THE OLD COLONIAL BRITISH SYSTEM AND ADOPT THE US METHODOLOGY.

    IN THE LAST TWO DECADES WE LOST BOTH WELL TRAINED AND EXPERIENCED TEACHERS AND NURSES WHO WERE RECRUITED TO WORK IN THE US.

    THIS HAS HAD GREAT EFFECT ON BOTH OF THESE ASPECTS OF OUR SOCIETY. IT SEEMS THAT THE MORONS IN CHARGE ARE NOW COMING TO GRIPS WITH THIS SITUATION.

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  • “AT NO STAGE DID I SAY THAT the practical aspect of the nursing degree program is inadequate……….OR THAT THIS IS beyond the control of BCC NOR DO I NECESSARILY THINK THAT the college’s hierarchy should revisit the structure of the syllabus..”

    Dr. GP

    AND I NEVER MENTIONED YOU “SAID” ANY OF THE ABOVE, EITHER.

    My comments were in response to dpD, BASED on my interpretation of his contribution.

    However, what do you mean by “clinical training and skills?”

    I believe “clinical training and skills” cannot be gained by THEORY, and interpreted it to mean trainee nurses working alongside RNs at the QEH and polyclinics to gain “hands-on” experience. Hence, my reference to “the PRACTICAL aspect of the nursing degree program.”

    You went on to mention various reasons why you believe are responsible for this decline.

    (1). IF WUNNA WOULD READ THE ARTICLES PROPERLY YOU WOULD GLEAN THAT THE NURSING HIERARCHY THINKS THAT THE MOVE TO “EDUCATE” THE NURSES AT BCC, RATHER THAN “TRAIN” THEM AS IN DAYS OF YORE HAS CONTRIBUTED TO PROBABLE DECLINE IN THE STANDARD OF “CLINICAL” TRAINING AND SKILLS.

    (2). “IT IS NOTEWORTHY THAT THE NURSES WITH THEIR BSc”s IN NURSING FAIL THE REGIONAL EXAM. THIS IS MOST LIKELY NOT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED KNOWLEDGE, BUT MOST LIKELY BECAUSE THEY LACK THE REQUIRED CLINICAL SKILLS. THIS IS VERY LIKELY BECAUSE OF A LACK OF NURSING STAFF IN BOTH THE HOSPITAL AND IN THE POLYCLINICS.”

    (3). If the nurses who are supposed to be examples and tutors in these institutions are themselves overwhelmed because they are understaffed and overworked, one can expect that the clinical one on one training that is required will suffer.

    If there has been a “DECLINE in the standard of ‘clinical’ training and skills” AND students are FAILING in this specific area……… perhaps “according to the reasons as outlined” by you…… (reasons, which “obviously are BEYOND the control of BCC”)……..

    ………… does this not SUGGEST the “practical training” is inadequate, at this time?

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  • TheOGazz
    Point out where my info is incorrect. If not hush yuh RH mout. I don’t support misinformation. You profess to be a paragon of virtue but support hypocrisy, dishonesty and lies.because it suits your agenda. Take for example the know-it-all, who only last week was repeatedly talking about Bdos being an island based on learning by rote. Before that UWI degrees and graduates were useless; now less than a week later partnering with a foreign university to train NURSES (not specifically Barbadian because again it is strategic in nature and about the “education tourism” thrust) is “selling out”. The better teaching facilities that could come through such a partnersip (possibly “non-rote” teaching), without government having to spend massive amounts of money on upgrading the current plant and human resources is oblivious to the guru. Y’all really seem unable to understand how government through legislation and policy can engender substantial public benefits to spur economic and social development. It is a completely different way of formulating government policy. It is comprehensive and linked up, down, diagonally and sideways. But wunna expect me to join wunna pick-a-noise bandwagon. I doan follow pattern. All yuh can continue to gang up, my back broad too. #just4theogazdfraud#itellwunnaiamnotac

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  • artax

    re ………… does this not SUGGEST the “practical training” is inadequate, at this time?

    Not necessarily Sir 4 students passed the regional exams and ALL 31 STUDENTS PASSED THE BCC EXAM despite all that I said above.

    This can indeed happen as I have witnessed at some bogus med schools.

    Maybe they are using at BCC simulators and tapes and videos and u tubes as is done at some med schools and nursing schools……..not ideal BUT VERY GOOD AND USEFUL TOOLS..
    .
    And I am not here being facetious……just factual!.

    THE BLAME MUST BE LAID AT THE FEET OF GOVERNMENTS WHO CHANGED THE SYSTEM TO SAVE MONEY.

    Do not try that gotcha thing with me like DPD does. I know what I am talking about and I KNOW WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY

    IF ALL MY STUDENTS PASSED MY EXAM AND FAILED USMLE I WONT FREAK OUT. CAUSE I CANT TRAIN THEM FOR USMLE IN 16-4 WEEKS

    I HAVE HAD A WHOLE CLASS GET 33% IN A SPOT EXAM AND ALL GOT A’S (OVER 90) IN MY FINAL EXAM LESS THAN A WEEK LATER.

    BY HOW MANY POINTS DID THOSE WHO FAILED NOT GET THE PASSING SCORE IN THE REGIONAL EXAM? WHY SO? DID THEY HAVE THEIR MENSES AT EXAM TIME?

    WATCH SHITTY DPD COME WITH HIS BOVINE EXCREMENT NOW

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/more-community-colleges-are-offering-bachelors-degrees_us_5ae1de02e4b0d538c22dfbfe
    More Community Colleges Are Offering Bachelor’s Degrees — And Four-Year Universities Aren’t Happy About It

    “About 90 two-year colleges are offering about 900 baccalaureate programs across the country, according to Beth Hagan, executive director of the Community College Baccalaureate Association, a Florida-based trade association.”

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  • BY THE WAY ARTAX I HAD STUDENTS WHO PASSED USMLE BUT FAILED MY BIOCHEM EXAM . lol BUT FOLK THINK BIOCHEM IS HARD LOL

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  • SirSimpleSimonPresidentForLife

    @ks February 21, 2019 7:51 AM “Should really be named Harrison’s Secondary School and Queen’s Secondary School…. and stop confusing people…”

    So exactly who is confused about the names of these schools?

    You know that the correct name for Harvard is Harvard College right? But nobody is confused. We all know that Harvard is a university and not a community college don’t we?

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  • @ TheOGazerts February 21, 2019 8:17 PM

    Nothing is as it appears.
    Some ass will come and write a short paragraph about qualification at Ross University, mention Salemite and end with a hashtag,
    Then a next ass will come and call names without using commas,
    ‘And the big con goes on

    SEEMS THAT YOU WERE 100% CORRECT THEO!

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