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Grenville Phillips II, leader of Solutions Barbados

On 21 April 2017, I attended a public meeting by the Barbados Private Sector Association and was disappointed by their austerity-based solutions to Barbados’ dire economic situation.  The Government, private sector merchants, financial institutions and individual economists are warning us to brace for austerity.  Eight years ago, austerity meant forcing most Barbadians to access their savings in order to survive.  Today, it means to force most Barbadians into poverty.

Approximately 2 years ago, Solutions Barbados published a plan to bring Barbados back from the brink of economic ruin without the austerity promised by others.  The plan is based on proven solutions and is still relevant.  However, the Government continues to ignore this plan while stubbornly pursuing its strategy; while the IMF warns of devaluation.

We have shared our plan with anyone who will listen, including the NUPW and CTUSAB.  It was also published in both print and on-line news media, and also on the radio.  To-date, the responses have been overwhelmingly positive, because the plans are workable.  The published plan consists of 4 main steps – none of which require laying-off civil servants, reducing their wages, incurring additional Government spending, or begging other countries to lend us money.

Step 1 is to increase Government’s local currency revenues to run the Government and pay local currency debts.  This can be done by reducing taxes on personal and corporate revenues to 10% of gross revenues – with no deductions.  This will make taxes easier to calculate, pay and audit.  It is also fairer.

Currently, businesses pay taxes on net-profits.  Therefore, it is possible to run a successful business for decades without paying any corporate taxes.  However, since the Government must obtain revenue, the taxes that such businesses currently legally avoid paying are extracted from the rest of us.  Well, not under a Solutions Barbados administration.

To facilitate the prompt payment of all taxes, all taxes previously owed to all Government departments will be forgiven and VAT will be abolished.  Businesses are currently being forced to pay VAT when they issue an invoice, rather than when they receive payment.  This is unfair, because businesses may not get their invoices paid until months later – or never.  Taxing businesses before they receive payment is an insidious method of taxation that can both prevent businesses from growing, and reduce their competitiveness.

The forgiveness of debts to Government should have happened as part of our 50th anniversary jubilee celebrations.  However, only a few select persons benefitted financially from those celebrations.  Therefore, everyone will start with a ‘clean slate’.  In exchange, all new non-payment of taxes will attract a penalty of 10 times the value of the outstanding amount for those who blatantly refuse to pay.  Those who refuse to pay taxes under a Solutions Barbados administration will be competing unfairly in our economy, and that will not be encouraged.

Step 2 is to increase foreign currency revenues in order to pay for imports and foreign currency debts.  This can be done by temporarily reducing taxes on all foreign currency earnings to zero.

Step 3 is to increase productivity in both the public and private sectors, and reduce wastage and unnecessary costs in the public sector.  This can be done by managing all public services to the ISO 9001 Quality Management System.  Parts of the ISO 9001 system can be implemented across the entire public service immediately, to the benefit (and relief) of those who deliver and receive Government services – at no additional cost to Government.

One low hanging wastage fruit is to stop public workers from paying income taxes.  Currently, the private sector must pay additional taxes, which are then given to public sector workers, who then give it to the Government.  The accounting bureaucracy and costs required to manage the taxation of the estimated 25,000 public workers can be easily avoided.

Step 4 is to depoliticize the public service.  In a Solutions Barbados administration, public workers will be selected and promoted on merit alone.

Any of these steps taken by themselves will not pull Barbados back from the brink, because frustrated public services can frustrate the entire process.  Therefore, they must all be taken together.  We need an increase in local and foreign currency revenues, and a better managed and depoliticized public service.  The Minister of Finance is strongly advised to examine our plan before we run out of viable options.  We continue to be available to discuss it.

Grenville Phillips II is the founder of Solutions Barbados and can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

314 responses to “The Grenville Phillips Column – The Alternative to Austerity”

  1. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Bush Tea May 4, at 10:41 AM … I know it’s difficult for you to argue sans your rusty whacker but here’s a radical thought : stick to the facts; jettison your pusillanimous broadsides…Lol…try it, yo may like it!

    I asked you or Grenville to provide some statistics that can give guidance on these policy prescriptions… no need whatever to fill a post with your vacuous (but entertaining) neologisms.

    Blogger Peterlawrence said it better than I ever could: “We should run the numbers in a credible economic model to see how much revenue this would raise.”

    So how about that Mr. Bushman…also listen to your blogging buddy who notes that one size-fits-all flat taxes are regressive.

    The folks here seem attuned to the macro issues of an economy so anyone convinced of the viability of a flat tax will so remain…no prolix needed. But still to so glibly dismiss the ‘sweets’ that accrue to the wealthy in that scenario is astonishing.

    The wealthy get the way because of various reasons but serendipity apart the bottom-line is: they know how to invest wisely their money and skills. They need not be overly penalized with overly high taxation for those skills.

    But there is nothing progressives (or practical really) about a tax policy that places a tax rate incidence ‘equitably’ across all levels of income. So I am quite deeply moved by your strong progressive perceptions so soaked in your BBE proselytizing! (steuupse)

    And incidentally… my navel string bury right here in Bim…no less skin of interest in this game than you bro.

    @peterlawrencethompson at 10:50 AM … I missed that exchange with you and Grenville… but if it’s NOT an economic model that drives growth by expanding capital deployment with lower taxes on the job creating wealthy sect and by lowering tariffs and barriers to generate more commerce and the production of various services and products … aka supply-side economics what then IS IT??

    And thank you for clarifying the point re: ” he proposes to tax “gross revenue” rather than profits. ”

    Let’s accept that the folks here fully understand the difference between assessments on gross revenues and gross profits… so of course that “makes an enormous difference” …thus, we need the ‘what if’ analyses on how those differences will play through the economy.

    Mr. Phillps NEEDS to lay out the stats to validate his policy plans!

    So I ask the Bushman again: How can that be TOO much to ask from a leader vying to lead the country??


  2. We never learn: context and evidence are key aspects of formulating public policy. Has anyone in here ever worked in public policy? #solutionsaintready


  3. @enuff

    Besides the fact you are a BLP sympathiser what about SB’s prescriptions that are nawing?


  4. @David

    And you are a Solutions sympathiser, so what’s the problem? I think my comment at 3.02 pm is clear about “SB’s prescriptions”.


  5. @enuff

    Not so much a SB sympathiser but moreso anti duopoly anti status quo.


  6. I am anti fantasy i.e. ill-thought out policy.


  7. David: Well Well, Lawson and Miller started by diverting the discussion away from perhaps the most relevant topic to Barbados at this time. If they want to talk about Mr Branson, I suggest that you allow them to start a separate topic.

    Frustrated: The crony capitalism, where the government determines which businesses will get work and which ones will not, will end under a Solutions Barbados administration.

    Artax: The idea is that everyone participating in Barbados’ economy pays tax. At this time, we need every person participating in Barbados economy to contribute something. If they do not, then the burden is unfairly shifted on someone else. Our plan will easily capture the lawyer and the coconut vendor since all businesses will be audited.

    Well Well: Our plan is an alternative to austerity.

    Miller: Pensioners who are no longer working (or directly participating in Barbados’ economy) pay no tax on their pensions. Working pensioners will pay the tax on that ‘working’ part of their revenues.

    Dribbler: I have always tried to answer your queries completely. Since you claim not to be satisfied, then let us do this again. We will start with your first query, the ISO 9001. What have I mentioned that does not meet your standard, and how would you suggest that we say it.

    CUP: “We will be taking no prisonors for they cost too much to feed and we can not release them for the rat us out, So they must be dropped where they stand” You need to chill out.

    Vincent & Frustrated: VAT is a complicated, insidious, and demonstrable unworkable tax. How much evidence do you need? If the problems with it were easy to solve, they would have been solved over a decade ago.

    Dear Pach: Most of our candidates are small business people who have not depended on Government for their success. Further, none of them are merchants.

    Dear Pach, Miller and Dribbler: There is an obvious consistency in your responses to me. I understand your role. If you are being paid to troll me, then please continue to do so. If you are not being paid, then please read the plan again objectively.

    Northern: With the tax system so easy to audit, all businesses will be audited – a very rapid process. Further, the taxes are not onerous, are simply added to the invoice, and actually belong to the government. Taxing net profit is complicated to audit because of the arguments about legitimate businesses expenses. Let’s make it simple.

    Best regards,
    Grenville

  8. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    nextparty246 May 4, 2017 at 5:00 PM #

    Why not spend time on making VAT workable,as it is supposed to be the simplest way of putting our taxes together so everyone pays into the coffers of our country.

  9. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @ de pedantic Dribbler
    As I pointed out, Grenville’s tax plan has the potential to radically raise taxes on corporations, so it does not seek to “drive growth by expanding capital deployment.” It also makes no mention of “lowering tariffs and barriers” spot does not meet either of the major criteria to be labelled “supply side.”

  10. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    Grenville’s tax proposal is regressive, ie it places a relatively higher tax burden on the poorer members of society. However VAT is also regressive.

  11. Prodigal Son Avatar

    @Artax May 4, 2017 at 9:39 AM
    “Is Esther suggesting Barbadians are stupid enough to fall for that trick a second time, especially under similar circumstances where the IMF recommended a decrease in the public sector prior to 2013, and holds the same position now, even after the 2014 retrenchments?”

    ………………………………………………………………..

    I heard the jackass Esther Byer last night on DLPTV and had to conclude that this woman is a real yardfowl.

    Can you imagine that they would even dare to come with this shiiite in 2017?

    Was it not Ronald Jones and Donville Inniss who were raising hell in 2008 that there were public workers who were not pulling with them and that they would have to move people who did not get it that the DLP was in power? Where was Byer Suckoo to defend these public workers in 2008? We know for sure the DLP trampled on public workers like no other givernment has ever done.

    The DLP still has to answer a case for slandering Dr Clyde Mascoll and the BLP claiming that the BLP was going to lay off public workers and look what the “wusless” bastards did to the said public workers right after the 2013 election.

    Does anyone remember the fraud who came on BU and said she was threatened at the BLP meeting at Haggatt Hall because she was not wearing red……………..liar! Hope she still has a job!

  12. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    peterlawrencethompson May 4, 2017 at 5:14 PM #

    However VAT is also regressive.
    …………………………………………………

    Please explain.

  13. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David being “Not so much a SB sympathiser but moreso anti duopoly anti status quo” then your BU forum must continue to help folks like Grenville propagate his message with more fulsome clarity.

    His tepid and ill-defined solutions must be properly detailed with the comprehensive accounting expected of a governing aspirant.

    I do not know or care about Enuff’s politics but I most assuredly share his view at 4:29: “…anti fantasy i.e. ill-thought out [policies].

    @Grenville, it is absolutely annoying that a person, ambitious and bold enough as you are to seek national political acclaim could also be so simple and petulant to claim:

    * "...There is an obvious consistency in your responses to me. I understand your role. If you are being paid to troll me...".
    

    Paid to troll you for what purpose. Steeupse!

    I gave my opinions on your Solutions from the earliest days here and on your website.

    I have made very much the same type of remarks others have enunciated: Your solutions are (1) not practical, (2) doable within the initial construct of elevation to Parliament and (3) do not take into consideration the multiple factions (unions, NGOs, established rules etc) which have to navigated to achieve political consensus.

    I readily embrace your conviction and your desire for political change in Bim but I cannot that being achieved one iota on your current path.

    Thus if to probe you honestly and rationally on a political agenda where key points lack appeal or practicality is to be called a troll by you then clearly one of us is wasting time… me clearly.

    You are undaunted in the face of any and all adversity (have chutzpah, balls, arrogance – call it what you make) so press on to your pinnacle.

    Peace, sayeth the now former ‘troll’. SMH!

  14. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    NOT doable…

  15. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @ Vincent Haynes
    VAT is a consumption tax and all consumption taxes are regressive because a low income earner spends all their income on consumption and so is taxed on all of it while a high income earner devotes a significant fraction of their income to savings which escape consumption taxes.

  16. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @GP
    you didn’t address import duties. Do they remain or disappear?

  17. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @peterlawrencethompson at 5:11 PM …I do try to read carefully.

    Your interpretation that “… Grenville’s tax plan has the potential to radically raise taxes on corporations” is based on a reasonable view of his gross revenue tax plan for corporations.

    But please explain to me how he is NOT “driving growth by expanding capital deployment” with his tax reduction on personal income to 10% !

    Grenville is on record saying that the high income earners tax bracket is too high.

    So please don’t let us conflate corporate taxes with personal taxation to pull the wool over the blog’s eyes.

    Further clarify the economic interpretation of “… this can be done by temporarily reducing taxes on all foreign currency earnings to zero” . Does this NOT include “lowering tariffs and barriers” .

    But I may have incorrectly interpreted this as form of tariff avoidance/removal when it isn’t.

    All I ask of the good gentlemen are details to avoid any misinterpretation of revenue streams and what barriers will be removed or reduced.

    And too a better clarity on what would be the windfall for those being currently taxed well above that 10% threshold, because that certainly smacks of ‘supply-side’ theory to me.

  18. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ nextparty246 May 4, 2017 at 5:00 PM
    “Miller: Pensioners who are no longer working (or directly participating in Barbados’ economy) pay no tax on their pensions. Working pensioners will pay the tax on that ‘working’ part of their revenues.”

    Grenville, no one is “trolling” you. We are just pointing out some of the inconsistencies, impracticalities and a few weaknesses in your revised tax system proposals which by the way are nothing new.

    You ought to be strong enough to expect to be picked apart before reassembly to see if you are the ‘genuine’ article instead of being another fly-by-night politician full of ‘airy’ promises and pipedreams.

    For instance you claim that pensioners do not pay tax on their pension incomes. But they do if that pension income exceeds their personal allowance threshold that is higher than the standard deduction for those still fully active in the workforce and which by your proposal you plan to abolish unless accept this is an oversight on your part.

    So Grenville, would your income tax proposal do away with all deductions including the standard deduction for both workers and those in receipt of pensions?

    Unless your proposals to revamp the income tax regime make provision for a standard deduction large enough to shield the working poor from the rigours of your across-the-board regressive levy it will not fly with those politicians or informed citizens who really have the poor sections of the society at heart.

    Neither can you seek impose a highly regressive rate of VAT on those items which make up the bulk of the “poor people” basic consumption basket without the resulting deleterious effects on their health and wellbeing.

    You are dealing with people, Grenville, not a mass of engineering widgets.

    The miller has no skin in the game in your ‘taxing’ proposals just expressing a measure of concern out of mere intellectual curiosity and experience.

  19. CUP Violet Beckles Plantation Deeds from 1926-2017 land tax bills and no Deeds,BLPand DLP Massive land Fruad and PONZ Avatar
    CUP Violet Beckles Plantation Deeds from 1926-2017 land tax bills and no Deeds,BLPand DLP Massive land Fruad and PONZ

    nextparty246 May 4, 2017, at 5:00 PM #@@

    @ You are a full fool, as you want to join the ranks of massive land fraud and Ponzi, it’s that all you got from My Post looking to help your foolish self. We are looking to help Barbados late “cummer”, Yet all you have is the same plan after 5 years as the DBLP why must anyone switch to you, This is about fraud and even David BU seen to love whatever you do , None of you want to deal with truth, Ask someone who knows what going on, A pie in the sky may land in your face, This election is not about CUP winning or SB winning, it’s about Barbados winning. 10% flat tax we also agree in 2013 just like the Bible lovers, If all the land spots were rented out that is also more tax paid by the owners of the land, If you have a deed and tax bill that is more income, If you have a tax bill and no need no court nor right government can make you pay a tax bill if you don’t have a clear title deed to match, that is Rule of law, Wake up, Next Was reported that17000 empty house were in Barbados some others told me it was more like 25000? 17000 x800 rent permonth=13.6 million in rent, That rent can then Build 45 3 bedrooms 2 bath homes, each month 540 new homes per year for our 2 year plan =1,080 houses to make home WALL , After 4 moths the building can take less than 30 days per house, As the overlap happens as we go along, Taxes now from these home with rent or loans will give the government more taxes and safer homes, Land rent at 500per year and we pay the VAT or tax at 17.5% We the Plantation rightful land owners, Clear title land, Returning Bajans will not be rip off by Bajan lawyers we will do all work in-house without own lawyers and start our own land registry,

    You love the word JOBS , Well we giving work, plumbers, mason, carpenters, roofers, we have out list of great working people, as like You, We have a Company in Barbados, We have a Company in the USof A , We don’t have to buy nothing from COW, We will starve out that cow, My Brother does what you do SB in the States , My Family will help Barbados with whatever is needed to remove them from slavery,

    Something that these crook in Barbados don’t talk about is their Families and their roots, All hidden in case a deal goes bad, My Family are Leaders of Many Caribbean Nations, CUP is not without Back up if needed with no help from the DBLP crook , liars and scumbags,

    We will never pick up the phone to call Mia or Owen or any other DBLP for any help , We already know what they have done and the COP sitting on his hands,as the DO nothing AG , all crime bosses, Vote CUP end the pain, The next building boom in Barbados is for the People not Hotel suckers ,,,,, Its about time Bajan envoy the Island as must as Tourist,

    CUP 2018 or sooner

  20. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @de pedantic Dribbler
    A large percentage of high income earners use tax planning strategies and loopholes so that they pay much less than the stated rate. The SB plan aims to stop this.


  21. @peterlawrence

    Are the high income earning tax dodgers currently paying less than 10%, and will they automatically stop using tax planning strategies once the rate is reduced to 10%? #askingforafriend


  22. Take a look at my post in the Diaspora corner titled

    Number of highest-earning Canadians paying no income tax is growing ”

  23. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Dear Grenville

    I realize that you are offering an alternative to austerity that is sorely needed, but you do know it has to be picked apart and the flaws highlighted in the spirit of transparency using constructive criticism, the electorate can ill afford to buy a pig in a bag, they already got more pigs than they need in parliament….so see the constructive criticism for what it is and embrace it..

    Regards,

    Well Well

  24. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @enuff
    The point of eliminating all deductions is to eliminate all tax planning and avoidance loopholes. I’m sure all the tax accountants will try to invent new ones, but for the moment Grenville’s strategy would render all the old ones useless.


  25. @ Dribbler
    Boss, why don’t you follow the advice that Bushie gives freely to Hal … and concentrate on ASKING questions when you do not understand?
    This attitude of yours that, unless it makes sense to you, it is somehow flawed or incomplete is childish.
    Do you realise that there are some things that are completely BEYOND the comprehension of many of us? …and which a few gifted individuals among us may find to be intuitive?

    This is why SPECIAL VISIONARY people are called to leadership…. fellows who can see all the way down the road …when others are fumbling miles back in darkness….

    The current tax rates quoting 35% on profits for rich folks and corporations is just a smokescreen to deceive small minded poor people.
    In the first place, by deciding how to allocate their ‘expenses’, such wealthy persons can easily ‘arrange’ their ‘profits’ to be exactly what they want them to be….

    For years BL&P paid hardly any dividends on shares, declared minimum profits, and paid basic taxes. Now Emera is paying impressive dividends, declaring minimum profits and paying basic taxes. This is achieved by simply manipulating reserves, depreciation and various inter-corporation expenses.
    Basically, corporations like these decide UP FRONT what taxes they want to pay, … and adjust their figures to suit.
    A 10% tax on gross electricity sales would be super simple – predictable and a very much FAIRER method to protect public interest.
    Same shiite with Banks before their sale to the South Americans …and afterwards; and the same with BS&T and now Massy.

    Expecting that Grenville should break every complex issue down so that simpletons can follow, is like a client expecting him to explain his engineering designs for structural integrity to Carl Moore in order to prove that the building can stand up…

    If you doubt that he knows what he is talking about, then YOU should do the research to demonstrate that his analysis is flawed ..or hire an expert to do so…. or just ask a question…

    Steupsss…
    Bushie also told wunna BEFORE HAND, that it was a BIG mistake to plant the shiite monument at the Garrison too…. and wunna wanted proof… yet no one seems prepared to do an analysis of local event before and after Dec 1, 2016….. Supposedly, you wanted Bushie to break that down for dummies too…
    Road accidents and fatalities alone tells a grim tale… even without all the other dire stats that are pointed downwards, some even more so than the financial downgrades…

    The donkeys are getting closer to the grass….

  26. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @de pedantic Dribbler
    I am in a weird position trying to explain Grenville’s position clearly because I am much (MUCH) further to the left politically. I am trying to explain Solutions Barbados policy rather than defend it.

    It differs from “supply side” nonsense because of its approach to corporate taxation. I’m not trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes by fixating on corporate taxes, I’m emphasizing them because this is the area in which this proposal differs from the Reagan experience and dozens of other proposals. It could be a critically important difference, but someone would have to run the numbers through a credible economic model to know for sure.

    Taxes on foreign currency earnings are not generally considered tariffs. Tariffs are import duties, and Grenville has not dealt with those here.


  27. @Grenville

    Unfortunately some commenters prefer to go off topi.

    When will your declared candidates begin to engage the public on the issues? You do not want to perpetuate the image the NDP acquired when it was enveloped by that of Richie Haynes.

  28. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    What I find most interesting is that
    Grenville can put forward some policies
    while we have parliamentarians, some
    who have served 15 20 or more years
    who cannot present anything for the
    public to consider.
    Of course the apologists of the BLPDLP
    would try to dismiss SB. While the
    Pseudo intellectuals would brand the
    proposals as junk.
    We are still waiting on the BLPDLP to
    come with fresh ideas. I hope SB will
    not be sidetracked by the hopeless
    Ideas bankrupt, sychophants ,
    opportunists of the decadent visionless
    BLPDLP whose only policy so far is to
    increase the current number of seats
    in parliament from 30 to 42!!!

  29. CUP.Violet Beckles Plantation Deeds from 1926-2017 land tax bills and no Deeds,BLPand DLP Massive land Fruad and PONZI Avatar
    CUP.Violet Beckles Plantation Deeds from 1926-2017 land tax bills and no Deeds,BLPand DLP Massive land Fruad and PONZI

    William Skinner May 4, 2017 at 9:17 PM #@

    It’s too late for the DBLP, their lies ran near 10 years and need not run 15, they have to go, don’t try to patch a sinking ship with a sponge.

    Any thing is better than them, We need not want to hear nor see them unless behind Bars,

  30. fortyacresandamule Avatar
    fortyacresandamule

    The Bahamas has a 0% corporation tax rate . However, companies that generate gross revenue over a certain threshold, are required to pay a licence fee based on gross sales( .5%). Even so, companies still under-report income and complain about the fees. Ireland famous12% corporate tax rate and it’s attendant varities of various tax avoindance schemes is a lesson in business enterprises insatiable greed and selfishness.

    I say this all to say that people or companies don’t like paying taxes (whether it’s 30% or 5%). The human condition is such, that the majority of us, like something for nothing…to free ride the system. Today’s 10% becomes tomorrow’s 5% …on and on.

  31. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    @PLT

    Given the sources of public revenue, it would seem to be only a partial picture to discuss methods of taxation, without discussing tariffs/duties?


  32. Dribbler: You wrote “Grenville is on record saying that the high income earners tax bracket is too high.” Where did you get that from? My writings over the past 2 decades are publically available.

    Miller: It has nothing about being strong enough. If there are no trolls as you assert, then how do you categorize Pach’s writings, which follow.

    “We are not surprised that nobody has noticed this so-called plan. For it is a childish, incoherent, unsophisticated, injection into national discourse. There is no criticality there.” It only gets worse after that – descending into personal insults.

    Miller, a troll gives me nothing to respond to. Their writings are normally full of insults. If that is what Pach is paid to write, then she can continue to write like that. The Dribbler had queries about the ISO 9001, so I invited him to discuss the matter, and he changes the subject – I will not be chasing him.

    Well Well: I both welcome and embrace criticism – for that is how ideas get improved. I simply described a consistent pattern, over two years, that led to a likely conclusion. See my response to Miller and then suggest how you would respond to Pach’s post. She is obviously a troll, and all I did was to identify her as such. She is welcome to show that she has abandoned such behaviour by writing at least one objective post. We should all try to help her.

    Best regards,
    Grenville


  33. Hi David:

    We had planned to reveal another batch of candidates this week, but it was a short and busy week (tax deadlines, 11+ examinations, holidays). So we will plan to do so this Monday.

    Some have already selected ministries to shadow, and have assembled advisory groups to enhance their knowledge. We plan to meet this weekend to finalize activities in preparation for Monday.

    Best regards,
    Grenville

  34. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Grenville……..Pacha will get there, just continue letting us know what you plan for the economy so it can be critiqued objectively, therefore giving you the tools you need to make the required improvements and adjustments, hopefully you have already started your travels around the island to explain to the population in simple terms what those plans are….

    ……….everyone has their own aggressive style of responding to articles on BU……. .


  35. Freedom of religion is a struggle for many societies and understandings…thankfully Barbados doesn’t have that problem, our eschaetology and deontology is excellent…

    http://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/5086d377-4aa0-4076-876c-7d95867f14ef-original.png

  36. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Miller…85 comments later, the yardfowls are still lurking…lol


  37. @ Dribbler

    Interesting analysis of SB’s tax recommendations.


  38. enuff May 4, 2017 at 6:46 PM #

    “Are the high income earning tax dodgers currently paying less than 10%, and will they automatically stop using tax planning strategies once the rate is reduced to 10%?”

    @ enuff

    The previous tax system allowed both high and low “income tax payers” to exploit the system to pay less tax and receive a refund. The income tax return, in its present form, now
    provides a “level playing field” for both categories of income earners. Additionally, the allowances and deductions applicable to both categories have also been significantly reduced.

    For example, an individual working as a Messenger or Manager and had a freighting business “on the side,” could report a loss on the business’ income statement, which would be subtracted from his employment income to facilitate a refund of the tax deducted from his salary.

    This “loophole” is no longer possible under the current revised tax system.

    Perhaps Mr. Lawrence may care to explain how “A large percentage of high income earners use tax planning strategies and loopholes so that they pay much less than the stated rate.”

    However, I support SB’s suggestion to include everyone in the tax net, because some professionals, including doctors, lawyers, engineers (and Bushie), etc, often avoid paying taxes. They would also wait until they reach a certain age to pay in “lump sum” NIS contributions to the minimum amount required to benefit from NIS pension.


  39. Let us allow this topic to run today given some useful exchanges.


  40. @ David

    Contribution missing

  41. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @NorthernObserver

    The most recent breakdown of Bajan tax revenue that I can find online is from 2015 (from the OECD https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=REVBAR)

    1100 Individual income tax $451,578,000
    1200 Corporate tax $209,959,000
    1300 Unallocable between 1100 and 1200 $65,510,000
    2000 Social security contributions $552,000,000
    4000 Taxes on property $149,963,000
    5111 Value added taxes $810,593,000
    5121 Excises $146,468,000
    5123 Customs and import duties $220,619,000
    5200 Taxes on use of goods and perform activities $125,530,000
    6200 Other Levies $1,238,000
    6200 Stamp duties $10,905,000
    Total tax revenue $2,744,363,000

    VAT brings in 30%
    The NIS is allocated 20%
    Income tax brings in 16%
    Corporate tax brings in 8%
    Customs & duties bring in 8%
    Land tax & property taxes bring in 5%
    Excise taxes bring in 5%

  42. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    Grenville’s/SB major challenge is
    packaging. Political marketing is
    needed otherwise he would find himself
    talking to the same audience repeatedly.
    One would have thought that this basic
    fact was understood. There is a considerable
    protest vote out there. Even reading the
    BLPDLP diehards on BU is evidence,
    that they have nothing to offer our
    country. Grenville’s failure , so far, to
    expose and tap into this is alarming.
    He should have pounced on Mia’s call to
    Increase the seats in Parliament to 42
    from 30. He should have hammered
    Kellman on the enemy of the state comment
    He must be prepared to go on the trenches
    He will find a tired BLPDLP that is tired and
    hopeless. They really cannot take a solid
    punch. Tap into the hopelessness, pounce
    on social issues, exploit the cynicism. Get
    your propaganda arm going. Ignore
    the sceptics.

  43. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Cant ignore the skeptics, they have influence in their communities, it’s better to improve any weaknesses to his plan that others can see and he cant. Grenville gotta get down into the communities and talk to the people, but not like DBLP would with their entrenched empty promises that everyone is now aware of and on to, he gotta be more convincing, less promising….or he will be ignored by those whose votes matter the most, the poor, less educated who are in the majority, but who are not so stupid that they can be massaged and lied to by politicians again, in 2017….they have seen that movie before over and over.

    His arguments have to sound more like the truth and less like propoganda, the electorate has experienced 50 years of propaganda, they know what it looks and sounds like and know where it has gotten them after every election cycle., they would more appreciate the truth.

  44. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @nextparty246
    I have tried diligently to understand your tax proposals Grenville, and I hope in the process that I have helped others to understand them as well.

    I am glad you understand that austerity does not work, but for this proposal to be an alternative to austerity it has to reduce the fiscal deficit: it has to raise more public revenue that the $2,963.2 million that is anticipated under the current regime. In in order to be credible you need to spell out exactly how your plan will achieve this.

    VAT currently contributes about 30% of annual public revenue. Corporate taxes and personal income taxes contribute about 26% in total. If you intend to eliminate VAT you need to show Bajans a financial model which demonstrates how your 10% tax on gross revenue for both corporations and individuals would contribute at least $1,659.4 million in the upcoming fiscal year.

    Bear in mind that in order to be an alternative to austerity it would have to deliver more than this amount and narrow the fiscal deficit.


  45. @ PLT
    It is very hard to argue with those who knows not that they know not…. you may as well give up..
    The biggest scam of all time is this idea that corporations ‘pay their fair share of taxes’. The REAL truth is that most corporations are subsidised by individual taxpayers …so that its beneficiaries (shareholders and directors) can enjoy enhanced rewards.

    One would have thought that the experience of seeing businessmen in Barbados openly prey on the public purse, …flaunt regulations, …bribe politicians …and target public ownership of assets, would force Bajans to imagine how they are likely to approach the payment of taxes into the treasury….

    Shiite man…. the people do not even pay VAT and NIS contributions (which in not their money) into the government…. far less damn taxes….

    Steupsss…

    @ Artax
    Give Bushie a break…..!!!!


  46. @ PLT
    Who says that austerity does not work? …it works like a charm.
    Who says that we are OWED THE RIGHT to live above our means?

    The ONLY alternative to austerity is increased efficiency and increased productivity. Grenville is tackling the former with tax reform and the latter with management reform (ISO9001), BUT in the event that these fail, austerity is the DEFAULT position…. not an ‘option’.

    Reducing out ‘problem’ to a need to find $1.7B is the kind of thinking that leads idiots to see a loan from UAE as a ‘solution’…. when it just creates a different executioner….


  47. @ Bushie

    Man, Bushie, you does through nuff lashes and yuh mean yuh can’t tek a joke?

  48. keeping it real Avatar
    keeping it real

    Well done Grenville keep it up.

    I am one who has never voted because of knowing how crooked the system is.

    You need to show as mentioned in comments how much a projected estimate in $ that your proposed tax scheme would bring annually compared to current system.

    Stronger laws and proper debt collection would have to be done. Charging penalty 10 times more for default payment will not stop those who dodge taxes irregardless.

    Government BRA is a relatively poor revenue collector. Would need to consider outsourcing some tax collection to private entities in a controlled manner to keep revenue rolling in fast enough.

    Also agree with Well Well that you need to hammer away in Public on major discretion and frauds of both parties. That is their major weakness their joint corruption of the system to enrich themselves and a few in their network.

    You need to show your Party is totally focused on good governance truth and transparency and a willingness to jail any Minister if your Party is elected if proven to be involved in corruption criminal activities.

    As a businessman myself I have funded elections and won Government contracts so I know only too too well first hand The Kind Of Shenigans of Ministers and key government employees who deal with any forms of Procurement of goods and services.

    Government contracts are the major leakage of wasted expenditure (kickbacks collectively of $hundreds millions annually) whether Construction, Services or Goods.


  49. @Bush Tea

    It seems we have the issue of how to stratagise ourselves out of a hole as far as our debt position is concerned.

    Then there is the kind of Barbados we want to build for our children. What is the plan? Do we have one?


  50. Even IF Solutions Barbados can show that his model is better, believe it or not, that on its own will not be enough to resonate with ordinary people.

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