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marion_williamsLadies and gentlemen, our educational system has been a beacon in the Caribbean and the developing world. However if we are to cope with the pressures for change which lie ahead, the cost of education will be immense, if we are not to be left behind. In order that we are on the right side of the divide, the new requirements will necessitate that we restructure and find ways to deliver relevant and high quality education which meet the needs of the 21st century without altering the basic social principles which have got us this far.

Dr. Marion Williams former Governor of The Central Bank of Barbados, 14th Rudolph Goodridge Memorial Lecture & Education Awards Ceremony Tuesday, December 7, 2004

Those who support the abolition of what we commonly refer to as our free education system, are quick to defend their position by saying it is not really free because it is underwritten by the taxpayers. At first this appears to be a strong defense of their position but on closer examination, it is fatally flawed.

The whole concept of free education really means that those who are pursuing the education do not have to pay. In other words it is free at the point of delivery. It is based on the principle that no one should be denied an education because they are unable to pay.

If we endorse the position of those, who argue that we already pay for it via taxation, it could then be countered that if it is no longer” free” we would be paying for it twice: Once when we pay our taxes and when we have to pay the school fees. This also applies to all services we now enjoy free of cost.

A person earning under 12000BDS. per annum, having to pay fees for three children at any of our public institutions of learning, would be bankrupt almost instantly. It is also questionable if a couple earning a joint income under 75000BDS per annum would be able to pay for two children at any of our older grammar schools. Question: Do we really know what a prestigious institution such as Harrison College/Queens College will cost per term for one child? Conservative estimates are, as high as $4000BDS per term. It is widely believed the newer comprehensive schools could cost a minimum of 2700BDS. per term. It is therefore not difficult to conclude, that those who are supporting the abolition of free education are totally unaware of its cost. We can also speculate that a year at UWI, depending on the field of study, could be at least 45000BDS. How many poor citizens can actually afford such costs? Pray tell, which financial institution in Barbados, is going to give unsecured loans to poor students to finance their education.

The question is: What percentage of our population can meet such costs? I daresay a very low percentage, taking into consideration, that many parents even with free bus fares and no school fees still have great difficulty meeting the daily costs of sending their children to school.

There should be a greater flow of information regarding how the education budget is dispensed. The public should know what it costs to educate each child from kindergarten to the University of the West Indies. Perhaps if we had the information there would be a more balanced approach to the debate.

The former Governor as quoted above stated : “………..that we restructure and find ways to deliver relevant and high quality education which meet the needs of the 21st century without altering the basic social principles which have got us this far.” She was absolutely correct. To implement changes without “altering basic social principles which have got us this far” must be foremost in the minds and planning of any serious/progressive government.


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108 responses to “Making Changes to Education … “without altering basic social principles which have got us this far””


  1. William

    Our education system is being destroyed from the primary level. Don’t worry too much about the other aspects, if the foundation is not build properly the system will collapse. We have to get primary right first. Unfortunately, the interest of the children seems not to be what’s guiding the selection of principals and teachers at that level. Let me cite one example:

    Recently, a number of principals were appointed to lead primary schools. A candidate’s chances for appointment were significantly enhanced if you were either a DLP member or supporter, a loyal BUT member or a toastmaster.

    Before the interviews, a group was given the questions that would have been asked at interview, and the most appropriate answers. They then journeyed to a house in St. Peter to practice. Ironically, one of the group was not placed and she is hopping mad and did a number. The meeting to practice the answers was held at her house and she provided the drinks and sandwiches.

    To pacify her, she was promised a school next school year.


  2. Like most things in Barbados the level of incestuousness wjich plagues decisions/how things are done is disgusting. Some of the management approaches by principals and senior teachers are so archaic, it is enough to run those who can barely afford it to enroll their charges at private schools.


  3. What is our National debt?

    What % of it is due to the supply of free education?

    How many of our students educated free of cost can make a dent in the debt?

    I am not against free education but it seems to me that we never got past repeating education is the key to advancement and never defined what advancement really is.

    What is it that we really want from education …. not free education, but just simple plain old education?

    I know several older people all thru my life who were and are far more educated and intelligent than some of the recipients of free education but never went very far at school.

    It seems to me those older Bajans I know and knew are and were more at home and open to learning new things and continually improving themselves.

    Is there a difference between free education and just education because I sure see and have seen evidence around me to suggest that there is?

    COW Williams who I will bet never went too far at school and is no rocket scientist employs/employed hundreds of Bajans.

    Trinidad and other foreign interests own much of our economic resources yet long before free education came on the scene Bajans made such enterprises as BS&T, Plantations, The Barbados Cooperative Cotton Factory and a host of others work and employed many of us.

    The advancement of our economy is not a good advertisement for free education …. nor is the National Debt.

    Maybe we do need to get left behind so we can get our priorities in order and really educate ourselves to ensure our country’s advancement.

    The race is not always for the swift and sometimes it is worth sitting for a while and thinking about what our long term goals are.

    Come to think of it we may even be entered in the wrong race!! Do we even know the difference?


  4. Education of the future will be Internet based and if organised properly should be rather inexpensive. The Americans should lead the charge as their system is pretty bad BUT I would hope that Singapore would move quickly as well so that Bim would have the benefit of the very best system on Earth which is very similar to Bim in that it is British based like ours.

    What we need are the very best teachers teaching on video with an interactive testing system so kids can move at their own speed. I would recommend integrating video games as a reward eg study for half hour, test for 10 mins and then 5-10 mins of video game.

    Kids are too used to moving quickly, in this fast paced electronic device world to be left in the hands of a boring education system.


  5. @ Caswell Franklyn
    Caswell, I do understand and know of the political appointments that plague the system. Unfortunately, this is true of both political parties. In terms of the teachers, there is no empirical evidence that teachers are underperforming. This is a red herring that is used whenever there is an attempt at discussing serious matters affecting our educational system. Quite frankly it is senseless to brag about how good the system is and then declare our teachers are no good.I would continue to defend the teaching profession and those hardworking teachers who daily execute their duties in a professional manner.
    I do concur that the primary school system is in need of serious reform. It is a position that I have held for the past forty years. This goes beyond the political activities that have infected ALL ministries underboth the BLP/DLP.


  6. @William

    None of the stakeholders in the education system can be given a free pass when the mean score at most of our primary schools is a shade over 50+ in the CEE. Unless we have a good system of performance appraisal we are all guessing.

  7. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS Avatar
    PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926-2013 AND SEE MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS

    Its seem to be a distraction from the main problems facing us now. Attack on the family , Listen to the Minister looking to fix what is not broken ,
    Grown men and women worried about there pay check before the children , Soon the adult will behave worse then the students.
    Family Acts and now children , mist family make less to noting after working 45 hours a week or more , seem to want to put the poor families more in debt , That way they will not focus on the government,

    This country maybe sinking but the way of the numbers , Children and country first.
    Behave like American end up like America.

  8. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ MoneyBrain | July 7, 2013 at 11:50 PM |
    “Education of the future will be Internet based and if organised properly should be rather inexpensive.”

    Well said! Your contribution certainly expresses my view of this conservatively ‘aging” educational system in Barbados.
    It might benefit a few students who can perform creditably in any learning environment, Victorian or ICT based. But the majority of “ordinarily gifted” students are finding great difficulty in relating to an ‘old-fashioned’ system and teaching methods that are mostly out of sync with their day-to-day experiences in a modern world heavily influenced and determined by ICT whether in the form of available devices like smartphones, tablets, laptops or through the daily use social networking activities.

    Bim needs to get with the programme in the class room starting with the primary schools or it might just find itself way back of the pack in this fast race on the Information Highway even lagging behind many African countries.


  9. If our perception of education means being able to read, write, sign your name and vote then we are educated. If educations means that we can think for our selves, understand what others are saying and can express ourselves in a manner that most people will understand then we can say we are educated.

    For me education is a continuous and flexible process adapting to change and communicating in a manner that is easily understood.

    To achieve any level of education that is going to be beneficial to our country a broad foundation is essential. There must be some flexibility and an ability to think independently. Our system is coercive and regurgitative. Knowledge should flow both ways in and out of a class room.

    A weak foundation will show up over time and this seems to be the case of what is presently happening. Are we willing fix the cracks or can we demolish and rebuild?


  10. @ David,
    David I am not attempting to give anybody a free pass. It is ironic that those who are calling for continuous assessment of our teachers are rejecting that same call for our children. As you correctly stated: “Unless we have a good system of performance appraisal we are all guessing.” However, teachers do not set educational policy and if they are professionally required to prop up an elitist failing system you can expect the results you referenced. The means score of the CEE is no proper way to judge either the performance of our children or teachers.and this is the point that progressive thinkers have been making for the last forty years.


  11. @William

    You have reinforced BU’s point that we cannot give teachers a pass in an ‘elitist’ as you say if said system continues to marginalize about 60% of the children.


  12. The primary school system needs to be revamped, the foundation is definitely the most important, the way students are being taught going forward will be technology based and will run parallel the way the employees are now required and expected to perform. keeping an archaic post colonial structure for the primary schools will destroy future abilities to function in a world that has already changed.


  13. Stupse …

    Talk talk talk

    Government needs Barbadians to serve as bureaucrats and to tax.
    The Private sector needs Barbadians to serve as bureaucrats and to spend.
    Educating Barbadians to perform these simple tasks does NOT require a greater effort than that which is currently being shown.

    Talk talk talk


  14. Cannot wait for the findings of Jonesie’s September investigations into why primary school children in the 2013 common entrance examination did so poorly. I can tell you minister before you start, the moral in the schools is very low. Too much political interference, nepotism, yardfowlism. Some of those same teachers that you plan to investigate have a shift system at their homes on weekends, holidays with those same private school students. There is a lot of satisfaction when teaching those children of the middle class. They can reason, they can speak properly, hence the beautiful responses they give in the free response section of the English examination. Private school children are a joy to teach.


  15. Some very good questions asked here like how much does it cost to educate a child. I never even thought of ask that question my self, but we should know, as it is a big factor in the decision making process.

    But i think the education system is doing as it is designed to do, it works perfect at its job, and we all know it and accept it as is. in my experience only people that have mastered the education system (professors) farmers and drug dealers can see the education system for what it is, all others can only see as far as the said education system has programed them to see.

    Why do you think everyone on the island ask what the government will do for even the slightest issue, its a big problem with a small solution, problem is that educated people will never see it, and educated people run the education system.

    Can you believe there is a ban on smart phones in secondary schools in barbados? why not ban the calculator while your at it?


  16. It is a given that when kids have one-on-one interaction with teachers they absorb, understand and articulate better and at a higher level, that goes for primary as well as secondary school level. However, not all parents can afford the additional tutoring in 3-4 subjects that is required for success, if Jones had the intelligence he was supposed to be born with he would know this and adjust the curriculum, class sizes and offer additional after school lessons (correct me if this has already been done, I am also taking into consideration the expenditure involved to achieve this). Teachers are literally making a financial killing on the island with private lessons in all schools, private as well as public, and are getting results.


  17. In Jamaica, Guyana, classes are held for senior school students in the secondary schools up to 5pm. In Barbados, we finish school at 3pm and the the students spend the rest of the evening in the bus-stands. Those countries have a currency that is worth less than a US cent. Things real bad in those islands, yet the students in those islands getting 10, 12, 14 CXCs with grade ones. When last have we heard that Barbados got any of those awards. These are things that Jones and company must address and stop blowing hot air.

    @well Well, can’t blame the teachers from making a killing with lessons. They have a skill that is clearly in demand.


  18. BagJuice…………I am happy to see competent and dedicated teachers making their money, one of my kids who finished secondary school (primary in NY) in Bim (cause i still believe it is the better education for kids of that age) benefited immensely from private tutoring and has done extremely well at a great university. Kudos to the teachers.


  19. @ David I am not attempting to give any body a free pass.however I find it ironic that those who are rejecting continuous assessment of our children are calling for continuous assessment of our teachers! As you correct stated;”Unless we have a good system of performance appraisal we are all guessing.”


  20. We have discussed on BU before and we will raise again: Minister Ronald Jones needs to address the scam which takes place at St. Leonards School most evenings which goes by the name of ‘lessons’.

  21. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    What are you talking about David? Are you saying that the teachers at St. Leonards School do not have to make a berry on giving lessons? Apparently some of the best teachers in the island teach at St. Leonards School, if we are to judge by the numbers of students from here, there and everywhere who go there for lessons.


  22. Wait David you cut my last comment? Wah wrong wid you …? First you came for Well Well, now yah comin’ fah me …? Wah wrong wid yah man …


  23. @GP

    Will answer your question by asking three questions.

    Has the grade I and II CXC results improved at St.Leonards in the last 3 or 4 years?

    Has the grade I and II CXC results improved at Harrison College in the last 3 or 4 years?

    Why are parents of HC students sending their children to St. Leonards for lessons?


  24. @Baffy

    Posting under moniker of a minister is jobby.


  25. Jeez Baf………….who you trying to set up.

  26. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    DAVID
    YOU CANT GET BLOOD FROM STONE. LOL
    BUT YOU CAN MAKE BREAD WITH GOOD DOUGH [PUN AND ALL]


  27. But David ever’body would know da it is me … I din’ change the avatar … cud dear … I did trying to send a message an’ you kill it .. Stupse

    Well Well … yah safe


  28. @Baffy

    Try to have a holistic view. Regulars on BU yes BUT all readers are NOT regulars.


  29. Man David Ban Baffy nuh!!!
    Give he bout two weeks to cool off nuh…!
    ……he deserve um!! 🙂
    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


  30. @ David
    Teaching in a government school is not a job…it is an appointment.

    What this means is that there are people who collect their salaries monthly and contribute NOTHING….
    Those who are REALLY good at teaching then feel like idiots for working their butts off and getting the same (sometimes less) and often seeing the lazy €%#~<^%s promoted ahead of them.

    Result:
    VERY FEW of them put any real effort into teaching.

    Now with lessons, everything is different. Students ( and therefore $$$) are sent to the capable and effective teachers (of lessons) and NOT to the lazy idiots…
    Does this explain the lessons situation David? The real joker is the employer (government) that pays these salaries without demanding performance. But what else can we expect when ministers draw their salaries without performance…?

    There are some teachers who have been known to advise parents to send their child to their lessons class 'if they are really interested in results'….

    Broken system.
    Head bad….whole body suffers….

  31. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Bush Tea | July 8, 2013 at 2:02 PM |

    To put it simply, what you are basically saying is that your BBE is a joker and indeed subserviently submissive to the bigger god called MONEY.
    After all, you yourself feel that Money can fix things by changing the ratio of the national Education budget to one of 100: 400: $100 Million for the systems and $400 Million for the capitalist teachers.

    Right, Bushie? After all, the god called Money has more converts and troops on his side than your imaginary pie-in-the-sky Big Boss Engineer who seems to have lost his way after making so many design faults.

    To use a well worn cliché: “he needs to go back to the drawing board”!


  32. Miller yuh pon a roll…..ah waiting fun de Bushman response. LOLL His BBE is perfect so he will say that is how it has to go down and then his BBE will step in and make it right. LOLL

  33. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    millertheanunnaki | July 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM |
    @ Bush Tea | July 8, 2013 at 2:02 PM |

    YOUR SUBMISSION IS A VERY CLEAR NON SQUITUR

  34. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Bushie

    I have to disagree with you, the real jokers are the teachers’ unions. The have gone too far and demanded and gotten to much nonsense which make it appear that the teachers are doing the Government and children a favour. If you are a BUT member, you can do whatever you like and that includes not teaching. They have a day off for teachers professional day when they could utilise one of the days in the schools’ vacation. Also, BUT and BSTU members who serve on the executive of their respective unions only teach about three days per week. The principals also get time off during working hours to do union business. The education system seems as though it is designed to cater to the whims and fancies of teachers. Recall that Jones was BUT president for some time and now he can’t tame the monster that he helped to create.

    BUT runs the schools: not the Ministry of Education.


  35. @ Caswell
    How can we blame the unions for this…?
    In an adversarial situation like the Management /Union one is, how can you blame one side for being overly successful?
    It is the idiots in management…the Government/ Ministry/Principals.

    The poor unions probably expected to be bargaining against able intelligent opponents only to find that everything they demand and more…they always get….
    LOL
    The unions don’t seem to realize that their opponents are brass bowls…. 🙂

    If you ask the bushman the ones to REALLY blame are parents….now there we have the REAL brass bowls.

    Sending their most valuable assets (their children) to school and hardly paying any attention to the poor teaching they get.
    …even when they do, they hardly EVER seek action against the poor teachers because “they don’t want their child victimized” (as if it ain’t already happening)
    Parents demand NOTHING from the politicians and keep on paying their high taxes while the system goes to hell…

    What blame what unions what?!?
    It is the top brass (bowls) to blame.

    BTW
    The only union Bushie is blaming is Unity, cause you should be on the other side of the union/ management fence. You have MUCH more to offer this country as such…
    …right now you only ‘unfairing’ the lotta shiites that you does gotta deal with…..

    @ Miller
    …serious Miller. ……REAL serious.
    You are sounding more and more like a miserable old woman who has been sex-starved.
    You are typing shite. Your submissions are becoming illogical, incoherent and frankly pathetic.. …somewhat like Well Well…
    LOL
    You now only sound intelligent when matched with ac…. 🙂

    @ Islandgal
    Bushie should have had you locked up after that Titanic lifeboat incident….


  36. Bushie LOLL yuh mean lock up wid yuh? Yuh ole drag queen RFLMAO.

    “If you ask the bushman the ones to REALLY blame are parents….now there we have the REAL brass bowls.”

    But Bushie what yuh blaming the parents for? But Bushie dem same parents are products of the same system that producing nuff Brass bowls. Dem did always have Brass bowls from de time of de Dipper, the only ting is dat dem didnt have no brass cleaner to shine dem up. Now dem cud afford brass cleaner or Brasso dem shining up like stars in de sky. Dem so numerous it is hard to count dem all. LOLL


  37. @Bush Tea and GP

    We call it a scam because it has become the norm for HC students to play the tail during most of the school year ie. Don’t pay the teachers any attention and then lo and behold the saviours at St. Leonards come to the rescue. In summary, all the HC parents have been prepped to not worry, St. Leonards evening classes will save the day.


  38. @John
    I trust you are able to pay up—how much U want to bet that COW did NOT do well at school. Naturally you have to compare his GCEs against school leavers of the day circa early 1950s. Coming from a big family he had to go to work after O Levels. Bizzy, his younger brother, was able to attain a BSc in Engineering from UWI. Typical of many families in the 40+years ago period, including mine where the 2 youngest are the best educated, BUT the oldest probably had as good an IQ.


  39. @ Islandgal
    “Bushie LOLL yuh mean lock up wid yuh?…”
    **********
    Frighten enough for you hear…?
    …you know Bushie too good bozie…:)

    BTW
    The system does not really “produce” brass bowls….it merely polishes them to the extent that they shine a lot and produce lots of shrill noises….. They become CERTIFIED brass bowls.
    …there are a few solid ceramic bowls that also pass through the system….but they tend to be over-awed by the lotta brass…and they keep a low profile

    LOL …but not Bushie….

    @ David
    But if the HC students are able to play the fool all year and then go to some lessons at St Leonard’s and do as well as they usually do in their exams…what does that tell you…?

    …..some shoite is wrong with the system.
    – Either the work is too easy for these students- (and perhaps THAT is why we can’t find leaders….)
    – the time allocated for learning is too long…and BORING for bright students…
    – the HC teachers are a waste – (many go there looking for easy work with gifted children)
    – the St Leonard’s teachers are brilliant….(or just have something to prove..)
    ….or the whole thing is a scam to fleece lessons monies from parents….(most of whom have more dollars than sense.)

    In any case it probably means that those gifted children can LEARN A DAMN LOT MORE if they had to, in the time (and budget) allocated…..except that the jokers who run the system have given the gifted HC students THE SAME TIME TO COVER THE SYLLABUS as those at the bottom of the list of the academically gifted….

    SMART!

    … we all still see to think that we are living in the 60’s.

    Bottom line David….
    There is no vision…the results are inevitable…

  40. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    There is no vision…the results are inevitable…
    I.E THE PEOPLE ARE PERISHING


  41. @ GP …..who told Miller….
    “YOUR SUBMISSION IS A VERY CLEAR NON SQUITUR”
    ***********
    Now GP you see why Bushie have such respect for wunna fellows from Crumpton Street?
    …you see how sweet you just tell Miller that he talking shoite…? ….proper den!
    Bushie would have been force to tell Miller to hush his old miserable, menopausal behind….but the ‘non sequitur’ thing sound too sweet… 🙂 nothing like a little Latin cussing. LOL Ha Ha

  42. Observing(...) Avatar
    Observing(…)

    @GP
    “There is no vision…the results are inevitable…”

    succinct, sound, and solid.

    Just Observing


  43. Observing

    How the hell you could be observing in a land where there is no vision …. huh? … What the hell is it that you looking at …?

  44. Observing(...) Avatar
    Observing(…)

    Since we’re talking education here’s a video while the storm passes

    @David
    Have you dug into “Outliers” as yet? Would be interesting to put some of the theories to test in our little land. We lack for sufficient thinkers and leaders.

    Just Observing

  45. Observing(...) Avatar
    Observing(…)

    @Baffy
    I use sonar. 🙂


  46. Obs

    Now is the time to change your handle to Listening … no? Ha


  47. @Observing (…)

    Do you get the impression there is any individual or group who sees the reward by investing 10,000 hours toward perfecting a vocation?

  48. Observing(...) Avatar
    Observing(…)

    @David
    sadly I concur. But, it does show that there are possibilities for those who take the time to seek and grasp them. And it also shows that circumstances do not need to be absolute. I must find a way to test the “date theory” though. Would make for interesting discussion in our 11+ setting. 8-10 months just may make a world of difference.

    Also, let’s carry it a little further to ask which “generation/age range” is best suited to lead “at this time.” I could easily hazard a guess and suggest that none of our current crop of leaders would fit.

    Just Listening (hahaha)


  49. @Observing(…)

    The first day the MoE/government releases that kind of info about the CEE we will apply the concepts.


  50. as soon as bush tea losing a fight he tries to intimidate. ac couldn’t care a Brass or a cooper bowl wuh he think .

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