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Ignorantia juris non excusat or Ignorantia legis neminem excusat. Translation: “Ignorance of the law excuses nothing”. This internationally settled principal of law means that you cannot go and break the law and then tell people, “Sorry, but I didn’t know”. The burden is on you to know the law.

Does our basic educational system assist in this? Hell, no.

In these days, our schools have as a part of the curriculum such subjects as cooking and other ‘household sciences’ and from their inception the Scouts and the Guides have taught First Aid and survival techniques in the wild. Yet nowhere in our current educational system is the one thing that governs all our lives taught – unless you go to university or law school with the intention of becoming a lawyer or paralegal.

Understand me, I am not talking about specialist knowledge. I am talking about basic knowledge of law.

We all know (and probably have been guilty of it ourselves) that EVERYBODY is a legal expert, when it suits them, and the varied and sometimes unbelievable interpretations of law are usually based, like pre-history, on word of mouth, embellished, misinterpreted and passed down from generation to generation, so that it bears little or no resemblance to the actual facts of law as it has EVER stood.

That these days we have the internet and can go online and check if what we have always believed to be the truth is indeed the truth, and not rely on what we have always been told, simply because a relative or admired friend who was successful, largely in days before the internet, has told us with the authority of their success and/or age and perceived experience, that such and such is the case. They may be talking absolute garbage, but we, doggedly, believe them – no matter what. Indeed, to quote the King and I, “we will fight to prove that we don’t know for sure, is so.”

So, at school we are taught history, language, sciences (including household), but not basic law. Before we leave school, we can get our licenses to drive – yet most of us, including members of the Police, only know the Road Traffic Act from the questions we have had to answer on the written portion of the driving test.

Here is an illustration. A couple of months ago, I was stopped (at night obviously) by a very polite police officer who advised me that it was illegal for me to have the fog lights on my vehicle on. They seemed confused as to whether having them turned on or having them on the vehicle in the first place, was illegal. I know that, because I asked the question. Of course, I turned them off as, had I known they were on, out of courtesy to other drivers, I would have turned them off. However, as it was a new vehicle and these fog lights were built in by the manufacturer, I could easily have refused – neither the lights nor the fact that they were turned on was illegal. I had breached no laws. NOW, had I gone and added those lights to a vehicle that did not have them installed by the manufacturer, then the police officer would have been correct and an offence would have been committed.

That was a few months ago and it exactly mirrored a similar situation that had occurred to me over 10 years previously where the police officer had been exceedingly rude and me, Bajan that I am, had told him exactly what part of my anatomy he could kiss, invited him to meet me in court and placed him on legal notice (in the presence of witnesses including the other police officer accompanying him) what would happen to his sorry ass if he arrested me for refusing to adhere to his mis-reading of the law. Muttering threats like, “Well, we may or may not decide to prosecute you,” he took his ruffled dignity off and guess what? I never heard any further – but I would certainly have felt much better not to have the confrontation forced on me in the first place.

But most Bajans wouldn’t know their rights and clearly neither did the Police in these instances at least 10 years apart. Understand me, I mean no disrespect to the Police whom I generally believe do a really fine job, but I do have a lot of questions about their training and education.

Another illustration. A friend of mine arriving from one of the other islands, was charged at the airport by the Police because they were wearing camouflage clothing. A call to their lawyer in Barbados and the case ended up in court and the charges were dismissed. Why? Where in the law does it state what constitutes camouflage clothing – more specifically, what specific and exact colours constitute camouflage clothing? Without that definition, the law is made to be an ass and is unenforceable. In any case, maybe our lawmakers should seriously consider the infringement to our civil liberties posed by them trying to become arbiters of fashion.

I would also note that the last time I was travelling in to Barbados from overseas, the airline staff were making people wearing camouflage clothing go and change them. It seems that ALL the Caribbean countries have had their governments assert a right to be arbiters of fashion and camouflage is outlawed – EXCEPT IN CUBA!!!! Go figure. But if you go into a Police Station and question them, as I have, on the subject, you will discover that no one has let them in on the decision of the Barbados High Court. And it isn’t bloody-mindedness on their part, you know. It is lack of information provided to them.

However, I digress.

These days, a person leaves school well enough prepared for life, I suppose. Except in the area that governs all society, the LAW. They then complains bitterly about the legal profession and how expensive it is and how long everything takes and how overcrowded the courts are, without trying to lay the blame squarely where it belongs – the failure of our educational system to incorporate classes in basic law so that people know what they can and cannot do from a young age. The maxim “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure,” seems not to have been considered.

A few more illustrations:

A young man, having just got his license and full of the joys of young manhood and his own invincibility and immortality (we all know the type) has his car (a very nice car and quite expensive) break down (it happens). In an effort to show off what a big, rich person he is, he says that his car is no good and he will sell it to anyone who wants it for $50. Someone accepts the offer and agrees to buy it and they offer him $1 as a deposit, the rest to be paid thereafter – all in the presence of witnesses. The next day, of course, ego having gone into hiding, the young man doesn’t want to sell and thinks he is safe, because there is nothing in writing. WRONG!!!! It is an enforceable contract with all the elements in place. Now, if the purchaser had said that they thought the price was too high and would pay only $25, this would be a counter-offer and would invalidate the contract. But, as they agreed to the offer and accepted it and paid a deposit, it is an enforceable contract.

The same young man, having learned his lesson as far as chattels are concerned, attends another gathering where someone, not happy with their real property, offers to sell it for $50. Quick as a flash and now knowing the law (he thinks) our friend forks out his $1 and doesn’t bother to get it in writing, because it doesn’t matter and there are witnesses. WRONG AGAIN!!!! For any contact for the sale of land to be enforceable, IT HAS GOT TO BE IN WRITING. And you can trot in as many witnesses as you like. If you don’t have it in writing, it is invalid.

Then too, people go to lawyers and pay to have wills drawn up, when actually all they need to do is write their wishes clearly in their own hands in simple and unambiguous terms, sign and date it, preferably in the presence of two witnesses, and that is a will. I do not necessarily advocate that anyone does this for themselves – far better that they spend the money IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT on a lawyer – just in case. But if you cannot afford it, just keep it simple, concise and clear. Also remember to name an executor/trustee so that your inheritors do not have to go to the expense of having the court name one for you after you die.

You next have to deal with the inheritors and executor(s). Most lawyers will waive their fees in respect of entering an estate for probate (except for the filing fees). However, some will not. So, what is wrong with the inheritors/executors doing this without a lawyer? NOTHING!!! In Canada, this is facilitated with online guidance. In Barbados, not only has our educational system let us down on what is an inevitable part of life, but our courts provide no guidance either. Why not?

In these days as Barbados follows our North American cousins in becoming more litigious, surely it is of advantage to our courts and government (in that order) to have a citizenry that is au fait with basic law. Negligence is an area that can rear its head at any time and yet most people have no idea when they are being either civilly or criminally negligent and, as we have seen before, Ignorantia juris non excusat. You are liable (or guilty, as the case may be) whether you know it or not.

There is also the case of some bright spark who parks is car right next to a cricket pitch. Someone hit’s a really good six and the ball damages the car. “Aha”, he thinks. “They got to pay for that or their insurance company does”. WRONG. By parking the car where you did, you consented to the risk.

And we have not even touched on contributory negligence where, by one’s actions one may have contributed significantly to the negligence complained of. For instance, the general rule of thumb in road accidents is that the guilty party is the one that runs into the other – but if you swing out into the traffic at the last minute and allow no chance for oncoming traffic to stop, you will not get the result you want in court. Because you will have contributed to the accident.

So, in all these instances, you, confident that you are right, because you have relied on the interpretation of law passed down from generation to generation, go to a lawyer, expecting him/her to confirm your sagacity and that of your ancestors. But they do not. They tell you that you are wrong and then add insult to injury by charging you a few hundred dollars for the advice that you would probably not have sought, had your education at school properly prepared you for this integral part of life.

Finally, there is the area of internet defamation so admirably discussed here on BU. But how many people have any clear idea of what actually constitutes defamation? Surely this is something that ought to be taught in general terms in schools, particularly with the ease of publishing offered by the internet?

These are but a very few examples and I am asking BU and the BU family to use its contacts and persuade government to consider instituting compulsory basic law studies in schools for children from age 12 to 16. Give our children the chance to have a sound, basic knowledge of what rules every aspect of their lives from cradle to grave and what rules their belongings after they are gone.

It probably will not happen, but maybe we should aim at knowing the law to such an extent that our judges and magistrates and lawyers have little to do and can return to our beautiful old Court and allow the new one, with all its mod cons, to be turned into an internet café.

Instead of adhering to the maxim “Ignorance of the law is no excuse,” let us aim towards a new maxim “Knowledge of the law makes life easier – and cheaper.”


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76 responses to “Law In Education”


  1. Dear “BU Family Member”, why do you proffer your sage advice under an anonymous handle? Previously, you have used the moniker “Anonlegal” but even that is still anonymous. I think it important that if you are to post in a legal capacity on this blog, you should, at the very least, let us know what your credentials are and if you are even qualified to be giving legal advice on anything. Why would anyone accept that there is any truth or merit to your post when 1) no one knows who, in fact, you really are and 2) whether you are a lawyer who passed the bar.

    Btw, how are things in foggy ole England?


  2. Very good article!!!!!!. As far as I’m concerned, not even attorneys-at-law, magistrates or judges really know the law. On some simple matters, I’ve had some varied interpretations and some are very different. I think this “ignorance of the law is no excuse”, is an easy way of copping out of a situation. Many years ago, I was on my way home with my family including a young baby, when I was stopped by the police to search my vehicle. I opened the boot of the car and there was the baby’s bag in there. Easrlier, he had spotted his searchlight through the car in my family’s faces, I told him the bag contained the baby’s items. He attempted to open it, I stopped him and told him I would open it for him. He insisted that HE opened it. There is noway I was letting him put his hands on my baby’s items in that bag, so he threatened to arrest me. Seeing that an incedent was brewing a police vehicle can out of the dark and approached my vehicle, a sargeant got out and enquire what was the matter. The police officer tried to insinuate that I was hiding something in the bag. i explained to the sargeant what was in the bag. All he did was shake his head and invited me to continue home with my family in a safe manner. I don’t know if I was wrong or right but obviously, there was a difference in interpretation between the two officer. I can give you many many more cases where even the law makers don’t know the law.


  3. Finally, there is the area of internet defamation so admirably discussed here on BU. But how many people have any clear idea of what actually constitutes defamation? Surely this is something that ought to be taught in general terms in schools, particularly with the ease of publishing offered by the internet?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Does this mean we all have to go back to school because for sure, when I went to school, the Internet ……. and for that matter the Personal Computer, had not been dreamt of.

    If my memory serves me right, the microprocessor was only just invented.

    … and if we do go back to school, we can of course be taught the finer points of law, in general terms.

    However, in most cases the law can be figured out on the Golden Rule which used to be taught as a matter of routine in religious education common to most, if not all religions.

    It goes something like this …. “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” …..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity

    Many used to go to church and of course the church is still there for those who want to learn something as basic as this

    …. they don’t have to go back to school.

    In addition, strong family units used to be the norm which routinely practised the principles of the Bible …..

    …..”Train up a child …….”

    http://biblebrowser.com/proverbs/22-6.htm

    My suspicion is that the ethic of reciprocity, and broughtupsy, if practiced, will cover any deficiency in knowledge of the details of the law

    ….. it’s just that sometimes we react and hit submit without really thinking.

    I do it often so I know I have a beam in my eye.

    Guess I’ll have to go to church more often …… and listen.

    No secondary school isn’t going to accept me as a pupil!!


  4. Nice. Maybe we would not be scrambling to teach people the benefits of a consumer organisation if this was in place.

    I must fully endorse all the above. That example of standing up to the police is a good one. I remember a policeman telling me once, after arguing with him over a definition in criminal law, that there is another part of the law that I did not yet get to as a student.

    Of course it was his way of telling me that a student of the law is not a lawyer but by then I had known sufficient to know he was simply spewing hot air. This was amid student protest on campus which plain clothes detectives were trying to infiltrate.

    At the time Kenny Anthony was the lecturer appointed as advisor/mentor to the students’ guild and to them it made a difference coming from him. They went scampering like dogs with their tails between their legs.

    I have been contending for some time that we should bring back “Civics” to the curriculum in schools. It is one thing to know the law but it helps tremendously to also know the institutions and the players.


  5. @John

    ““Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” ….. ”

    I had really promised that I would put you on ignore, but to suggest that 200,000+ people have to go back to school to learn law is very ridiculous.

    It is obvious that today’s population are very unclear about the law. It is not about doing unto others only, but also about what you do thinking that you were within your rights but it harms somebody; and many other scenarios.

    Now tell me what does fog lights on a vehicle have to do with doing unto others? Was your response a knee jerk thing?


  6. @Julia

    Is all that necessary? I am sure that if anything needs to be challenged that those who are legally qualified would challenge it.

    Any blogger with an anonymous handle can claim to be a professor but how would we truly know? How would you be able to check to make sure a handle is qualified?

    I think we are here for discussion and content is welcomed. Please feel free to make a contribution although I guess we would not know how qualified your answers are unless you reveal your identity.

    BTW you should note wordpress’ policy on abuse reproduced below for your benefit:

    In addition to spam and copyright issues, we will suspend blogs or blog posts for the following types of abuse:

    * Personal threats and revealing of personal information
    * Calls to violence
    * Impersonation of a private person
    * Accusations that can be proven wrong (for example wrongfully calling someone a convicted felon).


  7. Dear BU Family Member, as today is National Punctuation Day, let’s deal with what that throws up. “settled principal of law” should be ‘principle’…”Someone hit’s” should be ‘hits’. Please do not get offended by the corrections.

    “We all know (and probably have been guilty of it ourselves) that EVERYBODY is a legal expert, when it suits them…” Do we? Most people I know do not profess to be expert in the law at all. They are often bewildered by the law and how it’s interpreted, which sometimes seems more to do with money and status than justice.

    “That these days we have the internet and can go online and check if what we have always believed to be the truth is indeed the truth, and not rely on what we have always been told,” The Internet has no guarantee of truth, far from it. Many people seem to take the view that it’s true because they find it on the Internet. That’s just not so. There are places where people can go and find out the truth and they are often not associated with any electronic database. Example: You are born. Your mother and father see you and start to call their friends. The hospital does not register your birth on their computer. The electronic records do not show you. Do you suddenly not exist?

    On legal facts, many legal decisions cannot be found on the Internet. I can go on.

    “So, at school we are taught history, language, sciences (including household), but not basic law.” Depends where you go to school. Are you talking just about Barbados? many Bajans study overseas and law may be on the curriculum there.

    You talk about traffic laws in Barbados, and your story of the lights on the car sounds just like that a caller made on Brass Tacks yesterday. Here, there seems to be some strange process for traffic offences. Police hint at prosection but do not give a citation. Some time in the future a law officer may deliver a summons to a person. So at the time of an incident there is no charge that can be rebutted. The laying of the charge seems to be long: legal contact say 6 months is often a minimum. If a foreigner is involved, he or she has possibly left the country. How can a just justice system work like that? In the US and UK you would get a ticket and the charge would be clearly stated and you can start to prepare your defence. In Barbados, it seems like law by ambush. It has no similarity with its British origins and it does not follow the rules applied by the north American cousins.

    These things are not a matter of law, but of a culture that does not really apply common sense but tends to dictate to citizens.

    When a person goes to court I hear it is like in the 18th century: cash only for payments (though maybe checks are accepted) but no electronic means. Why not give traffic offenders the option to just pay and move on rather than have to go to court to agree that an infraction was committed? Jobs for magistrates and functionaries?

    There are very simple ways to fix all of that.


  8. ROK // September 24, 2009 at 8:37 AM

    @John

    It is obvious that today’s population are very unclear about the law. It is not about doing unto others only, but also about what you do thinking that you were within your rights but it harms somebody; and many other scenarios.

    Now tell me what does fog lights on a vehicle have to do with doing unto others?
    +++++++++++++++++++

    ROK, dipping your light to oncoming traffic is plain commonsense and based on “Do unto others…” and I am sure you would dip your lights without knowing if you were legally required to or not.

    Driving around with fog lights blazing ….. commonsense not to!!

    Don’t need a policeman to tell me.


  9. @John

    This is not about dipping lights, this is about having them on the vehicle in the first place.


  10. The Barbados Highway code published in pamphlet form in first edition in 1996 was given to me by my insurance company.

    The law agrees with common sense ….. check page 39, section 8.1 paragraph e.

    Strangely enough I didn’t see anything about fog lights but it must be there somewhere, probably in the detailed Road Traffic Act.

    I quote from the message of the Attorney General at the time:

    “The Highway Code is published with a view to assisting all road users in the proper use of the road.”

    and

    “The very publication of the Highway Code reflects the Government’s compliance with the Road Traffic Act in so far as the Commissioner of Police has a statutory obligation to ensure its publication. But its publication would not have been possible without the generous and welcome support of the private sector and the steadfastness of the Code’s author, John Whittingham.”


  11. ROK

    I have to run but can you check the Road Traffic Act and see what it has to say about Fog Lights?

    Here is a link.

    http://www.caricomlaw.org/library.php?country=3&doc_type=0&query=Query&page=26


  12. Is the concept of “class action” law suites applicable to Barbados? I think the citizens of Barbados should force government’s hand in making an attempt via education, and pulic service announcements and television programming to educate the public on the various aspects of the law.

    It has never been acceptable to me for “educated idiots” to invoke the phrase ““Ignorance of the law excuses nothing”, as a way of holding citizens to account without the State ever making an attempt to continously educate the public on what the rules of society entails. In this regard I agree with the article.

    I have made it my business to become acquianted as best I can with rules, regulations, policies, and laws that govern most anything one does. Whether it be basketball, or chess, or a relationship, I endevour to become familiar with the do’s and don’t.


  13. It is common knowledge that modern day people are clueless to the law and the happenings in medicine to,i saw in yesterdays Nation rag how one Dr.Elizabeth Ferdinand wants Bajans to take the swine flu vaccine,well she along with the Prime Minister and all his cabinet would have to come on CBC and be shown getting vaccinated with their families to for silly old me to refuse it,check out this link,it will make you shiver and think.
    http://www.sott.net/articles/show/193626-The-real-pandemic-is-caused-by-flu-vaccines-and-targets-minorities


  14. (quote)
    The Internet has no guarantee of truth, far from it. Many people seem to take the view that it’s true because they find it on the Internet. That’s just not so. There are places where people can go and find out the truth and they are often not associated with any electronic database. Example: You are born.
    ————————————————-

    I once a read “The Victorian Internet” by Tom Standage. It revealed the similarities between the promise and hope of the Telegraph, and what we heard about with the Internet.

    Before online information, there were books, and I grew up hearing people base their entire argument on what they read in a book, so much so that I learned to ask who was the author, what is/was their background? are they known to be agenda free? if not would could it be?

    To me the source matters more than the presentation or delivery media, but it is far from all that is needed. Be it a book, word of mouth, or written text on the internet. Who wrote it, why they wrote it, their experience, positions, associations are all necessary components to gather the truth.

    The internet just delivers, faster, at a less cost, and to a wider audiance what was accessible to the few, the privilage, and the information hoarders.

    Everybody seems upset that their sphere of influence is dwingling.


  15. The blog submitted is very relevant to the push/need to empower the people. Many of the old structures which feed the riches to a few is predicated on the ignorance of the masses.


  16. ROK, I asked a question. How is this abuse? Why wold you be quoting wordpress abuse policy to me?


  17. AH you know there is a saying that when you give a black man keys he goes wild.

    So just imagine giving a black man knowledge! LOL

    These people hate us knowing loLOLOLOL!


  18. @Sunnyboy

    To touch lightly on your comments and to dig further at those who may have a problem with Text on the internet vs. text in a book, or word of mouth from a professional.

    Doc admits not knowing full role

    Bell insisted she only administered the drug Propofol and pointed out that nurses in the United States were allowed to administer that drug.

    http://www.nationnews.com/story/no-training-to-put-to-sleep–Lead-copy-for-web

    From the Internet:
    There is a debate on whether to allow NAPS
    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1614218

    So far from my online research on NAPS is that it is far from being a settle and accepted practice and can still be viewed as controversial.

    So who would you believe? Dr. Belle or the evidence of online text?


  19. Ah ha, you may possess the Highway Code but, do u read and study it? I’ve just re-read mine for a third or fourth time, over the years. If so, why then are driving standards in Bim, so appalling!!


  20. @Adrian Hinds, “To me the source matters more than the presentation or delivery media, but it is far from all that is needed. Be it a book, word of mouth, or written text on the internet. Who wrote it, why they wrote it, their experience, positions, associations are all necessary components to gather the truth.

    The internet just delivers, faster, at a less cost, and to a wider audiance what was accessible to the few, the privilage, and the information hoarders.” Very well said. Internet delivers with no guarantee of its truthfulness, which means that untruths flow as fast. The debate about defamation has its roots in the fact that it is both the ‘misdeed’ and the speed at which it can now spread that creates very different problems.

    As for class action suits against government, you need to get a body of people who agree on what they want to sue for, and that could take up all of their lives. Exaggerating but not too much. Then the courts can take their sweet time and it seems that in Barbados that is a very long, sweet, time.


  21. @ “David // September 24, 2009 at 10:06 AM

    The blog submitted is very relevant to the push/need to empower the people. Many of the old structures which feed the riches to a few is predicated on the ignorance of the masses” Both ignorant and educated people suffer from these structures. The educated (and maybe wealthy) can perhaps understand how to get redress and try to pay for it. But we are all badly served.

    Empowerment means action, too. Calls for action, if not well supported, tend to suggest that people may not want to take the reins of ‘power’ when they are offered. That may be a cultural thing that even different structures would not change.


  22. With all due respect to the author of this post, there is no point to teaching the law in high school. Why? Because there are so many laws, and most of them are so complicated, with so many fine distinctions to be understood and remembered (e.g., the case of the improper use of fog lights), that it would take all of our time to master even a small part of the subject, and it would be very easy to make expensive mistakes. Which brings me back to my favourite topic of the month: the need to overhaul, adapt, and simplify our laws to make them less British and more Barbadian.


  23. Rickey George // September 24, 2009 at 11:50 AM

    As for class action suits against government, you need to get a body of people who agree on what they want to sue for, and that could take up all of their lives. +++++++++++++++++++++++

    … and then there is also the limitation point we have been learning about …..

    Look what happened very recently in the Court of Appeal with the Bar Association and the change in the law on limitation.


  24. Adrian

    You hit the nail on the head.

    No Doctor and I would add Lawyer, or any professional) knows everything and can answer correctly a question on what to do in any given situation.

    Sometimes they have a better chance of being right than the public, but as you show with the medical profession, not always …… and they can contradict one another!!

    An old Lawyer I met twice or three times in my life told me that any Lawyer has a 50% chance of being right …. or wrong.

    I agree it is better to ask questions and make it your business to be informed about any matter you need help on from any professional.

    People make mistakes.

    So perhaps what we need from our education system is to produce people with a questioning disposition and who are in the onging process of learning how to learn

    ….. but then we need teachers who are constantly learning and are not afraid to admit it

    …. and by teachers I mean any adult who comes in contact with a child/other adult in a learning situation.

    No expert is infallible.


  25. Very well said. Internet delivers with no guarantee of its truthfulness, which means that untruths flow as fast. The debate about defamation has its roots in the fact that it is both the ‘misdeed’ and the speed at which it can now spread that creates very different problems.
    ————————————————–
    Protecting a point at all cost.

    For me text is just that, text. It will either convey the truth or tell a lie regardless of the medium and speed used to deliver.

    However speed and wide delivery can and has been the enemy of “untruthful text” and photos.

    A recent example: Dan Rather


  26. What is of some concern is the implementation on the ground of the Barbados Consumer Act [(Cap 326D(1-5,7-55)] but primarily how this Act. is applied in everyday situations where one has to deal with issues pertaining to goods, services, customer services and other retail conundrums faced by most people in Barbados is the key.

    For many of us coming from abroad – who come home to Barbados to spend periods of time, find that in the sheer scale of consumer madness, there is this shallow implementation of “CONSUMER PROTECTION” laws which ought to be bulwark against the big retail chains, the powerful supermarkets and those who have been entrenched in capitalist enterprise for donkey years…

    Looking after the interest of the consumer in an increasingly globalized world must be paramount but more so in our country where the cost of resources continue to climb and it seems as if you get less for more.

    Can anyone shed some light on this issue?


  27. In every circumstance, hire a British lawyer!! That’s the solution to all your legal problems!!


  28. The interpretation of the law is of utmost importance. Even seasoned judges have varied interpretations to different aspects of law. Therefore the old adege “ignorance of the law is no excuse,” itself is just an interpretation. I have seen attorneys-at-law dis-sect cases by using the very law and proving that section either wrong or antiquated. I try to live by the basic law/s and if challenged. I ask for clarification and if not satified I challenge that too, or if proving wrong, I ask forgiveness. It is up to the other party to pass judgement.


  29. British is best!! Afterall, Barbadian law is probably based on British law and, if it is n’t, then it certainly, should be!!


  30. What’s an Attorney At Law, is he the equivalent of our solicitor or barrister! Solicitor and barrister sound nicer and with them you know precisely where u are. Also, we’re of British origin and not American and should stick to what we’re familiar with!!


  31. @Adrian Hinds: “For me text is just that, text. It will either convey the truth or tell a lie regardless of the medium and speed used to deliver.” But text is not truth. Truth is what is, or what has been. Text tries to represent that, but is inevitably partial. A man falls to the ground: fact. Why did he fall? Heart attack.

    Text may tell many stories, all of then quite accurate perhaps but not necessarily the truth, if none of them state the why, which may only be obvious or known to a few. Then there is of course perspective. Without going into text, just think of what a picture taken from all sides of an object shows. People often forget that they have one or only a limited perspective.


  32. Awww… Isn’t that sweet…

    Bimbo just got home from work in Jolly Good England, and is now telling all of us in “The Barbados” that we should bend over, and think of England….


  33. @Julia

    “Why wold you be quoting wordpress abuse policy to me?”

    That was a laugh… but never the less, anonymity is the privacy of the individual and you seemed to be trying to publicly ID the person.

    You have to admit though that your point about the qualifications is not so valid in terms of the blog and the conditions of anonymity????


  34. ROK, I guess I’m just not very bright but your post makes no sense to me.
    My thoughts on the above story were that the person seems to be giving out a lot of legal advice and is this person qualified to do so?


  35. @Julia

    So how are you going to prove that the person is qualified? Do you know the person who prefers anonymity?

    Are you a person who is qualified to give legal advice? If so, maybe you should point out what is wrong with the advice?


  36. @ROK

    Would advise there is an agenda at large with Julia.


  37. @ricky george

    If a man falls due to a heart attack, and conveyed this event in written text as ” A man fell” did I lie? did he not fall? The only thing I could be guilty of is not stating why he fell. The truth (not all of it) I told and certainly did not lie.

    If I recall correctly your opinion was about the availibility of lies vs. truth on the internet. It was not about truth vs. All the truth.


  38. Bimbro,
    A rose by any other name is still a Rose.

    An Attorney at law,Solicitor, Barrister,by any other name is still a LIAR.
    That is, except mine, who is now the Speaker of the House.
    Mr.Carrington, I luv you so much but never had the ‘guts’ to tell you. Elections night at George Street, I had the opportunity to ‘hold’ you tight and I did just that.
    So irresistibleeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, ta me.


  39. Understand me, I am not talking about specialist knowledge. I am talking about basic knowledge of law.

    The above is the critical point in this blog but we suspect this suggestion will not see the light of day because of cost to implement.


  40. @ Adrian Hinds // September 24, 2009 at 10:06 AM
    “Everybody seems upset that their sphere of influence is dwindling.”

    Damned straight…! Doctors (GP’s) at least admit that the internet has forced them to be even sharper as their patients have easy access to relevant information. The causes of ailments (for example gout) can change rapidly as new information comes to light and the diagnostician had better keep up to date or risk being embarrassed by lesser mortals. But attorneys do not have this problem as they are not required to think on their feet. What a shame.

    We are training Attorneys at the expense of tax payers. And after forty years how have they contributed to our real development? They have traditionally packed the Lower House to the point where citizens now believe that it is a natural role for them to play, but on closer examination it becomes obvious that it is macro economic acumen and not law that is required in this setting. They facilitate the creation of new law that is ambiguous, they gravitate towards the people and areas that provide the greatest remuneration hence they represent those who are only here to exploit Barbadians and all that they cherish.

    Why are tax payers still paying for the bulk of their education?

    As politicians they lead the charge in having the region sign onto the Economic Partnership Agreement with Europe claiming that the Caribbean will have a lead time advantage of thirty years knowing full well that Europe had over fifty two thousand (52,000) internationally operable companies and the Caribbean had none… not one! They without doubt saw this as an investment in the future (for their children should they become lawyers/accountants /MBA’s) as these companies thirty years from now will still be forced to seek local expertise.

    Why are tax payers still funding their training?

    The court system which they manage and operate in is still the most inefficient of ALL processes in Barbados.

    @ Danjuma // September 24, 2009 at 11:54 AM

    the need to overhaul, adapt, and simplify our laws to make them less British and more Barbadian.

    I believe you should have said less British and more comprehensible/scientific.

    @ BU family member (Jeff Cumberbatch ? Man ef it’s you man sa so)

    To get back on topic, yes I agree that there should be some training taking place in schools.


  41. Wait my post just disappear jus’ so.. Wha happen..?


  42. Chris, well that’s where we’ve come from – the Brits, remember?!! Colonialism and all that or, have u forgotten already!! It’s only just over 40 yrs that u have n’t been totally British!!

    **************

    “An Attorney at law,Solicitor, Barrister,by any other name is still a LIAR.”

    ***************

    LOL! Bonny, dat’s a good one! Must remember that one! What makes urs so diffenent from all the others, Bon? and, why do u seem to love ALL the guys!! I caan onstan!!


  43. Also, like certain other privileged persons on dis blog, how do I become a ‘Family Member’. I c other people being described as ‘family members’ and I’m positively jealous that I have n’t been described as such and would like to know how I may become one, otherwise, it in fair!!

    Laaaaddddddddddddddddd!!


  44. Do I have to eat sowersaup first thing in the morning, first?!!


  45. @ Adrian Hinds // September 24, 2009 at 7:22 PM> You’re correct. Well argued.


  46. @ Anonymous // September 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM

    Dah is me. Effin it is foolishness then I own up!


  47. Bim My Bro you have to be 100% rejected from posting on the “othah” site. So people like you and Chris and Bowman and Ricky G and Hood and John is associates. Yah can’ plant yah feet in two houses at de same time.. LOL


  48. @ David

    Wouldn’d mind getting a better/closer look at the artist impression in the title. I wonder how Gillespie and Steele see/represent Barbadians. Could be the title for a separate discussion…


  49. Sorry to disappoint you, Anonymous@ 11:55 pm last night, but I am not BU family memeber. I must admit, though, that the title of the topic aptly describes my professional existence and I promise to comment this weekend…if I find the time, of course.

  50. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Welcome Jeff Cumberbatch.

    I may not always agree,but I am glad unlike your fellow academics at Cave Hill,you at least take the time to address social issues and to seek to educate the public.

The blogmaster invites you to join the discussion.

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