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The retirement of prime ministers P J Patterson and Owen Arthur deprived the region of its elder statesmen and visionaries. The candidates to assume leadership of the region are all encumbered.

Prime Minister Patrick Manning is preoccupied with Trinidad’s transition to developed country status amidst crime and racial politics. President Bharrat Jagdeo is bogged down in the longest economic depression any country has ever endured. Prime Minister Bruce Golding is undoubtedly capable but does not have the time or inclination to dissipate energy in endeavours which have neither consensus nor timeline. Mr Gonzalves has the ambition and the intellect but cannot resist the opportunism of playing to the audience immediately in front of him.

Source: Jamaican Observer

crossroadsThe CARICOM Summit is currently in progress in Antigua, of interest to people in the region is whether any practical solutions will be discovered to ensure our region’s competitiveness in the new world economy. It is apparent to those who have eyes that member states of CARICOM will increasingly be marginalized if our leaders continue on its rudderless course. The outcome of today’s session at the summit about tourism will be of great interest given our region’s reliance on tourism.

There is the view that to take a snapshot of the current readiness our region to embrace CARICOM would toss-up that some countries are more comfortable with the concept than others. In the BU household we have used a simple analogy to describe the challenge for CARICOM success. There must be a courtship period to most relationships which acts as a precursor to a lasting union. During the courtship period bonding may or may not take place. After 35 years of courtship of the integration concept has any real bonding taken place, or are we prepared to reject the concept of CARICOM as currently configured?

The reality of the new world economy calls for small countries to pool resources (at times) to ensure a maximum result. The existence of NAFTA, EU and ALBA maybe instructive for Caribbean countries. We have every confidence that the framers of the model which we have for regional integration would have researched the evolution of the forementioned common markets to capture learning. The challenge for CARICOM maybe rooted in our small size and perceived diversity. Another factor maybe our disparate economies which straddle extreme levels of performance. Perhaps we should not forget deep seated insularities which still exist between islands in the North and the South.

We should note when discussing CARICOM the loyalty which has developed within the sub-region of the Eastern Caribbean territories. While the union of the OECS is a laudable achievement, the limited resources which are posited in this region restricts significant benefits which can be achieved. Recent public comment by Prime Minister Ralph Gonzales suggests that there is an attitude of swagger within the OECS grouping which may not be conducive to seamless integration to CARICOM.

The ongoing summit may prove the cynics wrong on whether we will see a fully functioning CARICOM, CSME and all in our lifetime. Some may argue that Barbados is better off assuming a Nationalist approach. In BU we have a feeling that we will see business as usual.

Is it true that our people have failed education?


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47 responses to “CARICOM At The Crossroads After 35 Years”

  1. Bajan to de bone Avatar
    Bajan to de bone

    Fcuk caricom!!!


  2. […] unknown wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerpt The retirement of prime ministers P J Patterson and Owen Arthur deprived the region of its elder statesmen and visionaries. The candidates to assume leadership of the region are all encumbered. Prime Minister Patrick Manning is preoccupied with Trinidad’s transition to developed country status amidst crime and racial politics. President Bharrat Jagdeo is bogged down in the longest economic depression any country has ever endured. Prime Minister Bruce Golding is undoubtedly capable but does not have the time or inclination to dissipate energy in endeavours which have neither consensus nor timeline. Mr Gonzalves has the ambition and the intellect but cannot resist the opportunism of playing to the audience immediately in front of him. Source: Jamaican Observer […]


  3. While I would avoid the language of Bajan to de bone, I may share the same sentiment.


  4. Poland: Will Sign Lisbon Treaty Only If Ireland Ratifies
    July 2, 2008 | 2058 GMT
    Polish President Lech Kaczynski said July 2 that he would consider ratifying the Lisbon Treaty only if Ireland also ratified it, Reuters reported.


  5. …almost the same as ITAL, 38 years of ole talk.


  6. CARICOM,CSME Top Down approaches to Caribbean Integration.It was never people’s
    focus,only big wigs talking pretty and sounding good.What we need is the people’s say in what type of Caribbean integration we want for the region.
    I have real problems with what constitutes Caricom.Some of the largest land masses in the region are not part of Caricom.Cuba,Dominican Republic,PuertoRico,Martinigue,Guadeloupe,The US & British Virgin Islands,Bermuda,and Caymans Islands.but we went into South America and included Guyana and Suriname and we are paying dearly for that.
    Real Caribbean integration is only a pipe dream and I believe Barbados should think seriously about our continue participation in Caricom & CSME.I also believe that the government of Barbados should have a open national discussion with Barbadians about our future roles in Caricom & CSME .Town Hall meetings should be organise to get the view of Barbadians on this matter.
    Stop ramming this CSME thing down our throats.Engage us in honest open discussion.


  7. I wonder how much the caption on this piece is synonymous with CARICOM.

    We are at the crossroads, yes, but the vista on the long road ahead shows no light at the end! is there light beyond the trees?

    The islands of the Caribbean would be better joined as a cohesive whole, but I wonder is there the will. In the distant past much was made of each island’s size, and could a person from an island of insignificant size lead the whole…one reason for the break up of the West Indies Federation.

    Now there are new challenges – new world economy – but the same people and way of thinking.

    There is a cancer in some independent states and that cancer can easily overwhelm us, rather than we cut it out. We have not the resources or in some cases the will and commitment, to tackle these problems head on.

    Thread carefully, if thread we must but with each step we must be able to reassess the situation. For if we go headlong into a pit of darkness, there will be no escape. I know that is not the uplifting words of encouragement others woud like to hear.

    However, truth is just that…”truth” it has no time to embrace sentiment or wishful thinking.


  8. […] the CARICOM summit takes place, Barbados Underground discusses whether the region's leaders are up to the task of taking the Caribbean forward so […]


  9. The biggest quandary for CARICOM is the way Bahamas and Jamaica continue to ‘diss’ the integration movement. As long as this continues the spirit and the will to move forward will be a laboured one..


  10. The Caribbean Community (CARICOM) was formed on the 4th of July, 1973, with the signing of the Treaty of Chaguaramus by Barbados, Jamaica, Guyana, and the host country Trinidad and Tobago. At that time, the leaders of these founding member states – Mr. Errol Barrow, Mr. Michael Manley, Mr. Forbes Burnham, and Mr. Eric Williams (all deceased), all had a vision for greater and fairer trade and economic cooperation between the member states of the English-speaking Caribbean, and for the promotion of greater multilaterial ties among these states.

    Indeed, those and other fundamental objectives were primarily achieved through the establishment of a common market vis-a-vis the lowering of barriers to greater trade among member states. It must be stated that CARICOM was also set up to greater increase functional cooperation between member states in areas of health, education , etc.

    What is noteworthy is that the Caribbean Free Trade Association (CARIFTA), founded in the 1960s by Barbados, Guyana and Antigua and Barbuda, was the precursor to CARICOM, and did foster the spirit of a freer and a fairer trade happening among territories in an era of decolonization.

    As time has gone by, many of us within this sub-region, have thus seen CARICOM transformed from being – at the outset – a political association of sovereign independent commonwealth states, to being – at this stage – a political organization that provides full and associate membership and observer status to many states and territories with this Caribbean Basin. At present there are 15 full members of CARICOM – Barbados, Jamaica, Guyana, Trinidad and Tobago, Grenada, Dominica, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Kitts and Nevis, Antigua and Barbuda, Monsterrat, The Bahamas, Belize, Haiti, and Surinam; there are 5 associate members – Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, and the Turks and Caicos Islands; and there are 7 countries that have observer status with CARICOM – Aruba, Venezuela, Columbia, Dominican Republic, Mexico, and Puerto Rico (Wikipedia.com).

    The fact that CARICOM had been developing externally as well as developing internally, is clearly seen by having a look at the apex of the structure of CARICOM and realizing that this is where the Heads of Government Conference (Regular, Special or Inter-Sessional) has been located, and where, too, there has been embedded in its ethos special provision for a rotating Prime Ministrial Chairperson of the Heads of Government Conferences. At this point in time, the Chairperson is the Prime Minister Mr. Balwin Spencer. Such a Chairperson holds office for six months. There have also been set up Prime Ministerial Sub-committees within the goverance framework of CARICOM. For instance, there is a Prime Ministerial sub-committee on the CARICOM Single Market and Economy (CSME). There have been other bodies that have been created to assist in the albeit now rickety functioning of CARICOM, such as, the Council of the Community, the CARICOM Secretariat – headed by the Secretary General Dr. Edwin Carrington; the Minsterial Councils of CARICOM, e.g. Council on Trade and Economic Development, the Council on Finance and Planning. And, there have also been set up a Budget Committee of CARICOM and a aLegal Affairs Committee of CARICOM and other relevant ones.

    There are also CARICOM institutions that provide much functional cooperation among member states, e.g. the Caribbean Meteorogical Institute (CMI), the Caribbean Research and Development Insititute (CARDI), the Caribbean Examinations Council (CXC), and the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ).

    While CARICOM through its existence so far has had its own fair share of wonderful successes and stark failures, it is the establishment of this obnoxious foolishness that is called the CSME that will SURELY help to lead to the further marginalization, stagnation, and disintegration of CARICOM. For, whereas great amounts of political and social pressures have been placed on CARICOM and the people of this CARICOM subregion -from within and without – to better and stronger re-organize and re-structure in the face of the emergence of more mega and regional trading blocs, it must be seen still too that there necessitated from in these parts of the world special kinds of people- centered developmentalist talents, skills, ideologies and diplomacies – which are substantially absent from among the denizens of this region – but which if they were in existence – should have been coming together and helping present a final blend of that vision and architecture that are necessary to help make the region NOT ONLY a bulwark of humanism – BUT ALSO still an oasis for developmental opportunities – in the midst of the persistent challenges that have been helped brought on by disconcerting levels of heightened globalization and trade liberalization effects, and helped piled on by very volatile levels of currency and stock market manipulation, and, now, these hellish problems that have been helped stirred up by very astronomically high food, fuel, transport and commodity “costs”.

    Notwithstanding the mad frenzy of the relevant CARICOM state leaders and bureaucrats – as well as certain CARICOM private people – to have established this scatalogical ignorance that is called CSME, they should still have been mindful that there at least 3 inhibiting factors that would function to help create a far weaker, NOT stronger, CARICOM a la CSME:

    1) the fact of the substantial degree of turbulent and difficult, and in some cases irreconciably poor, race relations that exists between Blacks, Whites and Indians, primarily, within this sub-region – which leads to the corrosion of the national/nationalist support base of CARICOM;

    2) the fact that economics is continuing to destroy the developmental aspirations and capabilities of the great majority of non-elite non-white peoples within this sub-region – thus rendering this CSME thing violated from the start; and,

    3) the fact of there being NO country, or any combination of countries, within CARICOM, strong and powerful enough to impose a system of laws and standards on any of the others so as to bring about their compliance – and such is made very impossible through the very limited amount of resources in this sub-region and through the disadvantages posed by a geographical seperateness – has created the space for plenty more divisions and thus conflict among would be weaker states.

    What these CARICOM state and private leaders and other office holders have substantially been doing from the 90s up to now – i.e. to distort to help destroy the original vision and legacy that the leaders of the founding member states of CARICOM had provided for the people of this region, is that they have been putting this CARICOM sub-region and its people at serious risk of, and in great danger of , being run over by many more traditional and modern neo-colonialist imperailist forces . So the question must be asked: “What hath these so-called leaders gone and done to the earlier sterling efforts of those earlier architects of CARICOM “. So, now, no wonder Dr. Gonsalves – a stout advocate of closer OECS integration – is directing his anger and frustration at CARICOM’s total lack of efficacy and direction at this juncture.

    PDC


  11. Negroman is right. Heads of government cannot make the people of the region united. We would have needed to be united first and then the organisation might work, but as it is we do not trust each other.


  12. We have been reliably informed by one of our members that on the VOB 8.00 am news headlines that world oil prices have reached the further obscene levels of being at US $ 146 per barrel on the U S Mercantile Exchange.

    What is so staggering is that there seems to be little being done by this wretched DLP Government to offset the worst effects of these diabolical world oil “prices” on an already politically financially ravaged masses and middle classes of people of Barbados.

    NOW!! NOW!! NOW!! Is the time for the masses and middle classes of people of Barbados to talk less and start acting more in the interest of coming together to form a coalitional government, in the medium term, and in the face of what presently looks like further enormous vicious assaults by global elitist neo-liberal imperialist economic forces on the integrity and survivalibility of said masses and middle classes of people. We in PDC have long proved the DLP and BLP parliamentary groups to be total failures in regard of what is realy needed to be done in this country to advance the affairs of these segments of people in Barbados.

    Finally, we have said already that if we were at the helm of government today since Jan 15 we would have long started the process of, et al, the Abolition of ALL Taxation in this country; the Abolition of All Interest Rates; the Abolition of Motor Vehicle Insurance; The Abolition of All Exchange Rates Parities with the Barbados Dollar; Making sure that Imports are Zero-“priced” at All points of entry and Making sure that Exports are paid for in local currency/”prices”.

    PDC


  13. We have been reliably informed by one of our members that on the VOB 8.00 am news headlines that world oil prices have reached the further obscene levels of being at US $ 146 per barrel on the U S Mercantile Exchange.

    What is so staggering is that there seems to be little being done by this wretched DLP Government to offset the worst effects of these diabolical world oil “prices” on an already politically financially ravaged masses and middle classes of people of Barbados.

    NOW!! NOW!! NOW!! Is the time for the masses and middle classes of people of Barbados to talk less and start acting more in the interest of coming together to form a coalitional government, in the medium term, and in the face of what presently looks like further enormous vicious assaults by global elitist neo-liberal imperialist economic forces on the integrity and survivalibility of said masses and middle classes of people. We in PDC have long proved the DLP and BLP parliamentary groups to be total failures in regard of what is realy needed to be done in this country to advance the affairs of these segments of people in Barbados.

    Finally, we have said already that if we were at the helm of government today since Jan 15 we would have long started the process of, et al, the Abolition of ALL Taxation in this country; the Abolition of All Interest Rates; the Abolition of Motor Vehicle Insurance; The Abolition of All Exchange Rates Parities with the Barbados Dollar; Making sure that Imports are Zero-“priced” at All points of entry and Making sure that Exports are paid for in local currency/”prices”.

    PDC


  14. We have been reliably informed by one of our members that on the VOB 8.00 am news headlines that world oil prices have reached the further obscene levels of being at US $ 146 per barrel on the U S Mercantile Exchange.

    What is so staggering is that there seems to be little being done by this wretched DLP Government to offset the worst effects of these diabolical world oil “prices” on an already politically financially ravaged masses and middle classes of people of Barbados.

    NOW!! NOW!! NOW!! Is the time for the masses and middle classes of people of Barbados to talk less and start acting more in the interest of coming together to form a coalitional government, in the medium term, and in the face of what presently looks like further enormous vicious assaults by global elitist neo-liberal imperialist economic forces on the integrity and survivalibility of said masses and middle classes of people. We in PDC have long proved the DLP and BLP parliamentary groups to be total failures in regard of what is realy needed to be done in this country to advance the affairs of these segments of people in Barbados.

    Finally, we have said already that if we were at the helm of government today since Jan 15 we would have long started the process of, et al, the Abolition of ALL Taxation in this country; the Abolition of All Interest Rates; the Abolition of Motor Vehicle Insurance; The Abolition of All Exchange Rates Parities with the Barbados Dollar; Making sure that Imports are Zero-“priced” at All points of entry and Making sure that Exports are paid for in local currency/”prices”.

    PDC


  15. We have been reliably informed by one of our members that on the VOB 8.00 am news headlines that world oil prices have reached the further obscene levels of being at US $ 146 per barrel on the U S Mercantile Exchange.

    What is so staggering is that there seems to be little being done by this wretched DLP Government to offset the worst effects of these diabolical world oil “prices” on an already politically financially ravaged masses and middle classes of people of Barbados.

    NOW!! NOW!! NOW!! Is the time for the masses and middle classes of people of Barbados to talk less and start acting more in the interest of coming together to form a coalitional government, in the medium term, and in the face of what presently looks like further enormous vicious assaults by global elitist neo-liberal imperialist economic forces on the integrity and survivalibility of said masses and middle classes of people. We in PDC have long proved the DLP and BLP parliamentary groups to be total failures in regard of what is realy needed to be done in this country to advance the affairs of these segments of people in Barbados.

    Finally, we have said already that if we were at the helm of government today since Jan 15 we would have long started the process of, et al, the Abolition of ALL Taxation in this country; the Abolition of All Interest Rates; the Abolition of Motor Vehicle Insurance; The Abolition of All Exchange Rates Parities with the Barbados Dollar; Making sure that Imports are Zero-“priced” at All points of entry and Making sure that Exports are paid for in local currency/”prices”.

    PDC


  16. PDC don’t you ever get tired of talking utopian foolishness?

    How do you plan to make foreign merchants accept local currency?


  17. A long of long diatribe by PDC. It is your right to express your opinion but cut out the long foolishness. I am sorry but Caricom will go no further than it is right now.


  18. Correction, ” a long piece”

  19. Thewhiterabbit Avatar
    Thewhiterabbit

    Caricom, CSME, etc are all charades because without political union there can never be economic union. At the first sign of imbalance or problem, individual states will simply opt out, or attempt to opt out. The hoohah over rice in the past two months is a good case in point. Political union cannot happen in the guise of former colonies of Great Britain. The Westminster system of government inately elects dictatorships (what the PM wants, the PM gets because he controls a majority in parliament). In a Caribbean political union based on the Westminster system the PM would always come from Jamaica, T&T, or Guyana on the basis of massive voting populations, while the small islands would be simply overwhelmed. The solution is to look to the United States of America. While it is currently chic and in vogue to bash the US at every opportunity, one should look seriously at the basis of government there. It is a union of more or less independent states, and one can easily see it as a model for a union of more or less independent Caribbean states. Certain powers are granted to the federal government, while others are retained by the individual states. Barbados could remain Barbados while yet operating in a larger and more economically viable entity, a United Caribbean States, or whatever. The Great Compromise that allowed the US to form from thirteen absolutely independent former colonies gives each big state a larger influence in the House of Representatives where members of the House are elected according to population. States with high populations (Jamaica, T&T, Guyana) get more members as a proportion of their population. Small states (St. Lucia, Dominica etc) get proportionately more representation in the Senate where each state, regardless of size or population, gets two senators. Laws must pass both houses of Congress, so large states get their say in the House, small states get their say in the Senate, and a proper balance is achieved. The whole is executed by the president who has more than the nominal powers granted to presidents of republics in the Westminster system, and there just isn’t a prime minister at all. Right now Heads of State of Caricom nations are meeting, supposedly to plot a course to the future. Are the “people” of the Caribbean adequately represented at this meeting, or are the dictators of the various countries meeting to decide for us where we will go? As an intelligent and involved citizen of one of the Caricom nations, I would like just a little more say in plotting the future than simply relying on my local dictator to make those decisions for me, or to have him try to negotiate with other dictators.

    This post is not suggesting a blind copying of the US model, just a serious look at it to see how the system accommodates polities of disparate size and strength such that all are able to function within the larger system. It is clear that nothing the Caribbean has come up with yet does the trick since we are not yet united, have tried unity in the past and discarded it, yet in the modern world it is all too apparent that small states will be simply steamrolled by the Big Boys. United we stand, divided we are gobbled up!


  20. […] CARICOM At The Crossroads After 35 Years The retirement of prime ministers PJ Patterson and Owen Arthur deprived the region of its elder statesmen and visionaries. The candidates to assume leadership of the region are all encumbered. Prime Minister Patrick Manning is … […]


  21. Divided we stand, united we’ll fall.
    I would be the first to say that if this integration is in the best interest of the people of the region, go for it, irregardless of the the fact that there is no contiguous land mass. But just like the EU, the African Union, the coming union of the US, Canada and Mexico and all the other impending unions, these unions are being implemented to lead to one thing – Global Domination of the many by the few. Centralise everyone, bingo, you got total control. Vaclav Klaus is on point when he stated that the No Vote by Ireland meant that liberty and reason had defeated the elitist plan. Temporarily, Ireland has put a spoke in the wheel of this master plan. What the region needs to do is to unite against this criminal system that is being forced upon us. They’re gonna try to come thru the front door, if we don’t let them in they’ll break in thru the back or a window. Right now CSME is the front door. Watch them breaking in thru their new banking laws, your imported GM foods, medicine and more to come. The people of the region should unite on their own turns and not at the dictates of this Cabal irregardless of the land mass, because there is nothing stopping the “brotherhood” from uniting against us. Every year they take their planes and go to their Bilderberg, CFR and all other secret meetings. Why can’t we take our little dinghies and work in our interest?


  22. Now, is a defining moment in Barbados politics, as we map out the future of our country. On this new map, we must address how to fit into the overall picture of the Caribbean…CARICOM.

    The present government has a duty to our people as it decides a strategy. It must pay attention to the needs of our Caribbean brothers, but must not try to do so by being so magnanimous as to neglet the self interest of Barbadians.

    I am aware it is a difficult tightrope to tread, and requires vision and courage; but the interest of Barbadians should not be sacrificed for any short term “feel good factor”.

    A lot of nonsense is currently being spouted by people with media contacts. They think ordinary Bajans should be ignored. Some contend intellectual credibility for their opinions and only on sufference allow the ordinary people to speak.

    True democracy dictates that the so called “common people” should be heard… that is the acid test of a vibrant democracy.

    A few people have positioned themselves to exhort their own opinions, whilst even a gentle flicker from the common man is extinguished. This cannot be right and we should fight it with every fibre of our being, in the interest of our country.

    For too long ordinary Bajans have been marginalized and “used” this anomoly has got to be seriously addressed.

    The supposed free movement of citizens within CARICOM has to be readjusted to meet the challenges of individual states. It cannot be fair for any state through its citizens to shoulder an uneven burden.


  23. Line 6 fr the bottom should read own “terms” and not “turn.” Pls correct BU. T .Y.


  24. LOL @BAJAN to de bone—–

    lol lol lol

    it getting igrunt then !

    if thompy is prepared to get rid of bajans from their jobs because they are dees , i dont see how non-nationals are going to get any leniency or consideration from him.

    thompy is a self centred , self serving, selfish person who can ve very vindictive. we might benefit on one hand and suffer on the other


  25. that should be BEES


  26. P D C

    Can your policies work ?
    -this is a sincere question–no joke nothing

    I like your ideas but can they work
    or will you have to resort to forceful acceptance of your policies by your secret police, ton ton macoutes and mercenaries

    how will you enforce your ideas-
    many people of today would fight you on your policies. This would mean that you would have to use some form of persuasion or force and this will translate into you eliminating your enemies in some way resulting therefore in a continous battle to implement your policies thus leading to a degeneration of the same infrastructure that would be needed to concretize the expectations that you so eloquentlty and eruditely put forward for the consideration of the masses.

    PDC -You must address your minds to the context of your proposal and if the environment in which we operate have the capacities to sustain and push your ideas beyond what is crucial to the very existence that you seek to improve.

    While we might consider the possibilities of
    of your proposals to be ideal and not utopian ,with its derogatory connotation, as somebody suggested above, we however, see it as challenging.

    We therefore would recommend that you spell out exactly how you will make these ideas work and if force would be your instrument of execution. How exactly will you execute your ideas.

    WORK PDC, WORK !–TALK TO US


  27. I heard on the news this evening that Thompson said he is going to get strict on Caricom nationals coming into B’dos. Negroman and the others, we should feel vindicated, the message getting through. We cannot stop now, keep the pressure up. WE SHALL OVERCOME SOON.


  28. Yardbroom,

    I know and am sorry that the following statement will outrage you, but if you will get over the initial shock, you may agree with me. I refer to your statement: “True democracy dictates that the so called “common people” should be heard… that is the acid test of a vibrant democracy.”

    My response is that the “common people” don’t know their ass from their elbow, don’t have any “intellectual credibility” and therefore need to be led by the nose like jackasses. That is why in our system of democracy, our elected parliamentarians are not expected to represent the opinions, wishes and preferences of their constituents, but are expected, as expressed by none other than your goodself in a previous post which I took you up on but got no response, is that they should “rule” or “govern”, without reference to those who elected them.

    I trust you have genuinely recanted.

    When we get the message across to politicians that they are expected to “represent” and not “rule” or “govern”, then we will have what you refer to as a vibrant democracy.

    Having said all that, my assessment is that CSME will never become a reality. No Caribbean nation will subordinate its sovereignty to a regional entity, which is what CSME must become to be effective and no Caribbean politician will voluntarily agree to move from being a big fish in a small pond to be a small fish in a big pond. That’s the Africa in us, so we will each end up having to paddle our own canoe through the rapids.


  29. The Scout I am following the mouthings of PM Thompson very carefully.I tend to agree that he will love to do something meaningful about this illegal immigration problem.I believe he understands the implications and problems that could and will arise if this problem persists indefinitedly.Iwant to see words put into action.
    Does he has the support of all in his cabinet & party?
    Cribbean integration like West Indies cricket is dying and I see little hope for optimism


  30. I like some of PDC policies and I believe that serious thought should be given to the PDC programme.We need innovative and news ideas in the political sphere in this country.I also believe that PDC could fulfill the role of a third political party.I will encourage PDC to continue to press on.


  31. Inkwell we have heard that view expressed before, do you agree that no system which man uses to govern can be perfect? If you agree with that line of reason then maybe we can agree that freedom for every individual to choose is a noble ideal to which we have to protect. The opposite goes against the grain of the law of natural justice.


  32. Is CSME dying, or should I say, Will CSME be fully implemented. Barbados unable to to give 100% backing. Guyana ain’t willing to implement it yet. Nuff talk, no action! Same behaviour by Caricom leaders, only new actors.


  33. Inkwell
    I cannot recall having said that in our democracy a government should “rule” or “govern” without reference to those who elected them.

    However, I will at this “juncture” give you the benefit of any doubt. Please refer me to the article and its date. I will check it out and “definitely” respond.

    Over to you!


  34. To the blogger, Negroman

    Our very many thanks to you for the solid encouragement that you have given to us, to continue pressing on. It is very emboldening that you have also expressed a liking for some of our policies and very revelatory that you so think that serious thought should be given to our “new and innovative programme”, and that there is a need for what you termed, “a third party” in Barbados.

    Of course, we too have been reading your blogs and we have been having a great appreciation for the central themes running through them – like the need to truly take serious political action now to secure our country against these modern day settler people.

    Furthermore, we scientifically know that – in addition to the four parties that now exist in Barbados, Negroman, there is room for at least another new, serious, people-centered developmentalist party in Barbados – and one that will really act assidiously and untiringly – to make sure that this social, political, material and financial system is fundamentally changed – and for the better – to reflect, at last in this dear country, the genuinely expressed imageries, aspirations and outlooks of the masses and middle classes of people of Barbados, for a far more egalitarian and just Barbados.

    Also, we truly know it, sir, that another people’s progessive party – BUT NOT one that has reverberations of that old rubric – is required to help really fight against these old, ramshackled and failed DLP and BLP parliamentary groups and their extensions, if we are to ultimately realize better for ourselves – the masses and middle classes – and for the whole of Barbados.

    Therefore, it is against that backdrop that you can, of course, email us at smfdpdc@yahoo.com, for further information about our affairs, and so that we can see if there is a distinct possibility that you and our party can come together and collaborate on the fact of what has to be done to make our country better, politically and otherwise. For, this time is the right time to act greatermore to save our country from being further despolied and degradated by those elite few and their supporters whose interests are so narrow and that are so fueled by such destructive greed and avarice, and to save it for this present generation and for future ones.

    PDC


  35. It was over at BFP, Yardbroom. In response to the blog dated Feb 13, 2008 and titled “Will The Opposition BLP Publish The Throne Speech Before The Barbados Government?” You said

    “What is not a good idea is to have Government by the internet eg the Government reacting to demands from us “bloggers.” I will not expect that unless it is a major issue of great concern, we must be reasonable people and allow the DLP Government to govern, that is what they were elected to do.”

    To which I replied:

    Is this the same Yardbroom who has oft pontificated on the necessity for transparency in government and open communications with the electorate?

    With the change in government seems to have come a change in tune.

    While I agree with him that the non publication of the throne speech is not a matter for great concern as some others see, I am alarmed that he is perpetuating the suggestion that the Government should not react to the demands of the people but that it should “govern”

    I would have thought that Yardbroom would espouse the concept that the members of Parliament who collectively form the Government are “representatives” of the people who elected them to do just that, represent, not “rule” or “govern”. Our lack of insistence on the proper role of the Parliamentarian is what led the last administration to the arrogance that was one of the main reasons for its removal. ”

    There was no response from you.

    David,

    I trust that this clarifies my position somewhat.


  36. Inkwell,
    “That is the Africa in us”
    Well the Africa must be in Europeans too.
    Because the same way we feel about CSME, many if not most Europeans feel about European Union.

    The idea looks good on paper but no one wants to give up their individuality.


  37. To the blogger, R O B O T

    You asked, ” can your policies work?”

    Yes, R O B O T, in visualizing and scientificizing them we can see that they CAN and WILL work practically for the benefit of the upliftment of the lives of the vast majority of the masses and middle classes of people of this country, and greater more ONCE the politically and ideologically conscious CORE of the masses and middle classes can come together in whatever fora in Barbados, and resolve to their being put in place as soon as possible, again, for the benefit of the transformation of lives of the vast majority of masses and middle classes of this country – two segments of people that for eons have been doing the hardest work possible in this country, but who have been getting the least returns for what they have been doing.

    It is that situation that is so grossly intolerable and abominable that if many citizens continue to follow the DLP and the BLP and their utterances, manipulations and divisions, we as a whole in this country WILL NOT be able to ELIMINATE most of these gross divisions and inequalities that inform part of the basis why these segments of people are so grossly politically exploited and marginalised in this country, precisely because their ( DLP and BLP’s) goal is to VICIOUSLY HELP MAKE SURE that the masses, to a greater extent, and the middle classes, to a lesser extent, are to remain entrenched in these deplorable circumstances in Barbados for as long as possible.

    Thus, the leaderships of these parties, expressly or implicitly, advocate those principles – in the school of FUNCTIONALISM in Western political sociology – that openly support such divisions and inequalities in a western hemispheric society like Barbados, because they – the leaderships and those principles – STRONGLY IMPORT that they are necessary to have in order for “society” to be stable and to properly function; that this LONG ESTABLISHED CHRONIC DEPENDENCE of the masses and middle classes vis-a-vis their roles and functions, on the elite, to a greater extent, and on the state, to a lesser extent, is a necessary enabling ingredient/factor in the harmonious, reproductive and regenerative development of the Barbadian society. Well, of course, we HAVE NEVER, DO NOT, DO NOT INTEND TO, and WILL NEVER SUBSCRIBE to such philosophies. That is why we categorically reject the most of the politics and ideology of the DLP and BLP parliamentary groups!!

    R O B O T, in our party we dont subscribe to any anti-democratic means of getting citizens to know and understand our philosophies and policies. So, therefore as a party that believes in the right democratic and humanistic values and principles – whenever we become at the helm of government in this country, we shall NOT be resorting to any of the subversive and anti-citizen methods you have so identified to get citizens to know, understand and accept our philosophies and principles.

    Yes, what you have written is perfectly true, that many citizens will fight us on our policies. And, yes, all like now we are being fought on them, and just like how we are fighting against the most of the politics, ideology and practices of the DLP and BLP, we expect that we will continue to be fought against too. It is real politics that we are involved in in this country, R O B O T!!

    Also, we DONT REASONABLY expect that in the process of the people of Barbados helping us to become at the helm of the government of this country, that there WILL be any degeneration in the political and other infrastructures of the country, primarily because these said people will continue to be ultimately in control of the motioning/movement and rate at which these very empowering and farreaching ideologies are assimilated and accepted in this country, and obviously knowing most of our people in Barbados to be purposefully methodical, they will seek to carefully build NEW political and other infrastructures in this country to suit these ideas, philosophies and principles, which they KNOW, or eventually WILL KNOW, will be helping to empower and enrich them in Barbados, and therefore we in PDC know that there WILL NOT be any degeneration in any of these infrastructures that will be attributed to us or them. That is one of the reasons why we are SO VERY focussed on our messages, and NOT on the old DLP and BLP thinking, R O B O T!!

    Finally, R O B O T within a democratic framework many things and events are possible. A people denied the right to a better life and better progression, will once given the opportunity to fight for it and to achieve/win it, will secure that right to a better life – regardless of the few obstacles that may be in their way to achieving such. The presumption here is that these people will want better for themselves, their country, and humanity, to a great extent. So, it is in that context in which we place our ideas for the betterment of the lives of the masses and middle classes of this country. Thanks, Sir, for your very very constuctive points and suggestions, as well!! And R O B O T, if you have NOT read our pre-eection Manifesto, well avail of it@www.somassfreedom.org.

    PDC


  38. The scheduled inauguration of CSME in 2015 is to be postponed see the following;

    http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161348014

    I believe that the CSME project is heading for the dustbin of history. So what will justify the expensive institutional infrastucture that is Caricom? I suggest closing down Caricom and diverting the money to a UWI controlled research institution.

    I am also disturbed that the issue of countries other than B’dos and Guyana, replacing the Privy council with the CCJ seems to have been quietly pushed off the table.


  39. Inkwell
    I fail to see how you can equate the demands of us “bloggers” on an internet site demanding what government should do; with the total electorate of Barbados to whom the government are ultimately responsible.

    As much as I respect fellow bloggers, and am delighted to part of this important cohort. With due respect we cannot speak for the whole electorate of Barbados, to whom the government must be held to account.

    A careful read of my submission would indicate ,I held the view that government should not be dictated to by either bloggers or self-interest groups…a view I still hold.

    You indicated us bloggers are the “people”.

    I hesitate to say it, but I must. When I used the word people I tied it to Democracy: “the body of persons in a country who are entitled to vote”. The important word here is “body.”

    In the case to which you refer bloggers were a “small” representation of the people.

    The change of government has not altered my views. The government has been elected. I say let them govern, I have no wish to stand on the sidelines and constantly carp…that is not in the best interest of Barbados…my primary and only concern.

    My reasoning simply is there is always an opportunity to uplift and inspire, but you must be careful not to become an organ of despondency and despair because no good will ensue.

    One aspect of your submission to which I will refer and I quote: “That’s the African in us.”
    My suggestion is that is more due to the “human condition” which is universal; in that most of our – human beings – actions regardless of if we were born in Asia, Europe, Africa, North America or Australia has an element – even if minute – of “self interes”t in them.

    Caribbean islanders are no different in that respect.


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  41. reluctant nonbeliever Avatar
    reluctant nonbeliever

    Hopi

    A shrewd analysis of the situation.

    PDC

    You’re such a windbag. Can’t you be more concise?
    I bet I’m not the only one here who can’t be bothered to read your comments.
    Which kind of defeats the point of you posting, no?


  42. Ralph Gonslaves pretty much sums up the problems of Caricom……

    “You have a ramshackle, political administrative apparatus in CARICOM. It doesn’t even suit properly the functional arrangements in health, in education and the like, and in foreign policy, much less to use the same arrangements – institutional, administrative, political arrangements; governance arrangements – for a Single Market and a Single Economy,” he said.

    The St Vincent leader pointed to political and social factors in particular CARICOM states contributing to the body’s inability to move beyond being just a group of sovereign states.

    “The politics of a limited regional engagement in Jamaica, shackled by the ghosts from the federal referendum; the politics of ethnicity in Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana; a mistaken sense of uniqueness, specialness and separation among the large sections of the Barbadian populace; the peculiar distinctiveness of Haiti and Suriname; and the cultivated aloofness from the regional enterprise by the Bahamas, are destined in the foreseeable future to keep CARICOM as a community of sovereign states in which several of its member states jealously guard a vaunted and pristine sovereignty,” he said.

    On the other hand, Mr Gonsalves said, the countries of the OECS – Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, Grenada, St Lucia, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Montserrat, St Kitts and Nevis, Anguilla and the British Virgin Islands – have forged ahead with strengthening their ties, the latest effort being a proposed OECS Economic Union.

    See link for the entire article

    http://www.caribbean360.com/News/Caribbean/Stories/2008/06/18/NEWS0000005967.html

    In it’s present state Caricom just like the other regional bodies WI Cricket, LIAT, World Cup Cricket etc is doomed to failure for lack of vision, clear objectives and poor management.

    In addition it is impossible to have regional integration without a shared government information database system relating to law enforcement and border security, stolen lost goods, travel documents etc. I.E the Barbadian should have access to the Guyanese passport and police database and vice versa, this eliminates the problem of forged travel documents and prevents crimnals from moving from region to region.

    The OECS should go ahead and form an economic union (since it’s the only regional institution that actually works) then grant memebership to other countries that bring their economies and policies up to par with its members just like the EU does when adding new members.

    In closing I should add that it took Europe over 50 years from the signing of the Treaty of Rome to achieve an economic union. We should solicit their assistance in forming ours.


  43. Another note, the European Union in implementing free movement of goods, capital and persons gave priority to the crimnals their ill gotten gains and protection of their victims in Europe. In addition they started small with three countries participating. After monitoring progess or lack thereof they invited other countries to life borden controls for free movement of goods and persons.

    Caricom in it’s wisdom gave priority to the University graduates leaving the crimnals with fresh stomping grounds to ply their trade. We are also launching the program of free movment of persons with our full compliment of nations. It’s like we know something the Europeans dont.

  44. reluctant nonbeliever Avatar
    reluctant nonbeliever

    “In it’s present state Caricom just like the other regional bodies WI Cricket, LIAT, World Cup Cricket etc is doomed to failure for lack of vision, clear objectives and poor management”

    You’d include the UWI in this list?

  45. wait a minute.. Avatar
    wait a minute..

    jodiperry

    Is this the Ralph Gonzalves who has two or three, the count keeps rising, rape accusations hanging over his head. Gonzalves is in no moral position to be lecturing anyone much less sovereign states. When Gonzlaves clears his name and takes the mote out of his eye I maybe inclined to give him an ear. Until then piss off Gonzalves.


  46. wait a minute

    yes it is, note you said accusations not convictions
    i’m more interested in his political positions than his morality…

    do you have any thoughts on his political views, is he not spot on?


  47. reluctant unbeliever,

    no I would not, the UWI is still an objective driven institution which serves its purpose of educating the Caribbean youth (JA,BDS TT at least)

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