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Art of NegotiationThank God the impasse between the Sanitation Service Authority (SSA) and the National Union of Public Workers (NUPW) is over. Barbadians were told yesterday evening that both sides arrived at an agreement which saw the withdrawal of charges made by the SSA, and the General Manager Stanton Alleyne being reinstated. Barbados Free Press posted their perspective on what turned out to be an embarrassment to the Dr. Don Marshall led SSA Board and by extension the Minister of Health David Estwick and the government of Barbados.

Last week Barbadians were reminded how easily a few individuals can threaten the health and prosperity of our small island. Mountains of garbage could be seen in key public spaces where Barbadians and tourists alike had to traverse. It seems inexcusable that the country has had to confront major industrial action twice in a six month period. This situation coincides with a government that has been installed for six months and has had to battle rising cost of living and a host of other issues.

What shall you say to get what you want? Sometimes you are like a fish out of water sometimes you are the clever crow – William Young

In light of the above, and given the prevailing economic conditions, and the declared commitment by the government of Barbados to root out corruption where it exist, Barbadians will see more and more skirmishes involving the two major unions. Last time we checked the BWU is twenty five thousand strong and the NUPW is eight thousand. Both unions represent a significant slice of the Barbados workforce. The 64 thousand dollar question is what can we do to protect the stable industrial relations climate which we boast of to all and sundry?

We have heard quiet calls in recent years for Barbados to roll out an Industrial Court. The model which our neighbour Trinidad and Tobago uses comes highly recommended. Sir Roy Trotman who leads Barbados biggest union has publicly resisted any attempt to install an industrial court in Barbados. From what we can recall his analysis of the situation is ‘if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it’. We have news for Sir Roy et al, IT IS BROKE! Our unions through the years have been led by men of superior breeding. However the current and future environment which unions will have to negotiate requires a shedding of redundant approaches.

The members of the union have evolved from field to knowledge workers. The private sector of Barbados has to mobilize in a highly competitive local, regional and global arena. A minor disruption in national productivity in the prevailing climate has the potential to negatively impact the economy, and very quickly. No longer should the success of Barbadian businesses have to depend on two Generals (Trotman & Clarke). There is simply too much at stake.

An Industrial Court in our opinion is better positioned to bring structure i.e. process and law to the business of managing industrial relations in Barbados. Our citizens now benefit from a higher standard of education. It should logically follow that we implement a system which can utilize modern methods contained in the art of negotiation and alternative dispute resolution. The opportunity for two or three people to destroy the economy of Barbados is not acceptable, no way no how. The Social Partnership has served its role as a public relations piece but a remodelling of the engine which drives the IR climate is required.

The BU household don’t have all the facts in the just concluded dispute between the NUPW and the SSA Board. The information we have suggest that ‘process’ was not followed, and secondly the sanitation workers rallied behind the union because of a ‘us and them’ mentality which the union bosses used to contrived the ridiculous situation of calling a strike to embarrass the country of Barbados. In life we have to make choices and the time has come for Barbados to unhinge itself from the fickle arrangement of two ‘generals’ having the power to destroy a country.

It is time for an Industrial Court to be set-up in Barbados.

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162 responses to “National Union Of Public Workers Or Barbados Workers Union Can't Be Trusted, Time For A Barbados Industrial Court”


  1. Good lord, Dr Marshall is an academic. He couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery!


  2. Dr. Marshall is also my colleague at UWI and my supervisor…and for his sake and his own reputation…he should get out of this nonsense right now and save face…
    Don can make his contribution to Barbados in other ways…I’m sure he didnt make the decision on his own…

    Thanks Ian we appreciate it would have taken some guts to have offered the opinion you have.

    David


  3. We have been trying to establish if the good Doctor has done anything other than to study. We all know that practical experience does count in the real world environment.


  4. Devil i am with you. Bajans are unwilling to stand up for anything, and as a result they are falling for all and every trick. Ian Bourne is fooling no one when he hides behind pretty Latin words to attempt defense of the indefensible. Stanton and Owen have been similarly caught up in actions that at the very least begs for an investigation per the Prevention of corruption act of Barbados, but i understand the magnitude of fallout should such a precedent setting investigation be undertaken against either men. The problem is that all in Barbados have signed on to Gorgie Porgie perverted interpretation of Judge ye not less ye be also judged, believing that to cast the proverbial stone one must first be free from sin. In the court of public opinion Stanton, Owen, and Hal are seen as much much less than honourable men. In the very least that’s how i view them.


  5. Adrian Hinds
    It is alright for you or anyone else to get on the blog and label people, so you think. For me the proof is in the verdict. Bring whatever case there is against Stanton, Owen or anyone else including me. When the case is tried and honest people find the accused guilty, then administer the punishment. In the Westminister type of justice, one is innocent until proven guilty, yet we want to crucify and tarnish persons reprutation because you don’t like the person. That shows immaturity. Bring the man to answer the charges, If found guilty punish him even if I have to assist in the collection of garbage. The way it was handled was botchy and I agree with Ian Walcott, if integrety means anything to Dr Marshall he sholud resign but I also think the entire board should put their resignations to the discretion of the P.M. That would be the honorable thing to do.


  6. Ian Walcott // June 29, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Poor Decision Making, Political Miscalculation and the Westminster System

    Now there are six basic steps to decision-making that the SSA board blundered and ultimately led to their miscalculation:
    1. Identifying and prioritizing your needs. (Was getting rid of the top guy a priority at this stage?)
    2. Collecting the facts. (Did the Board collect all the relevant facts? Did they seek the relevant advice from the Union, the SSA’s lawyer or the labor dept?)
    3. Reviewing your options. (What are the advantages and disadvantages of this particular course of action? What are all the possible outcomes of such a decision? How much risk is involved in this decision?)
    4. After such careful considerations and calculation…then you make the decision.
    5. You communicate the decision…
    6. Then you follow-up on your action…

    It appears that these very BASIC steps to the decision-making process were not followed; else we would not have had that four day fiasco…

    =================================

    At the core of this issue is the suspicion that the Laws of Barbados may have been broken by the Stanton Alleyne.

    1: It the top guy was implicated in breaking the law , immediately is the only good time to be rid of him.

    2: your second question is immaterial since it was clearly stated that the board did in fact seek legal council, and gave Stanton and oppertunity to explain the checque to which he (Stanton) declined.

    The rest of your questions must be over ruled by the Laws of the land. That is if we would like to defend Barbados as a nation of laws.

    If you are truly cognizant that you are discussing a situation that if true, subjects the accuse to penalties of fines, imprisonment or both should they be found guilty, then youn must be aware that it is not up to the Board or any other person other than the DPP to so decide. In a society base on Laws, the Law decides the process and course of action to be taken.

    Are we a nation of laws at all times for all citizens?


  7. We have heard words like “change”, “integrety” and words that encouraged me to do what was asked of me. Like Plastic Bag now says ” Mr Thompson all eyes are on you.” We are not asking much just deliver. We have employed you to do a job; clean up this mess, fired some people(the entire board) or this would go on your file. Remember you too can be fired


  8. We keep hearing about due process in this case…wasn’t Mr Alleyne called upon to explain the cheques and refused to do so?


  9. Hahahahahahahahaha…Strangely enough…Owen Arthur made a similar miscalculation when he brought over Clyde Mascoll…he didnt calculate all the possible outcomes…
    Book smart and political smart aint de same kinda smart it seems…


  10. If we are a nation of laws…and that we are…then let it be decided by the law…
    THE BOARD SCREWED UP ROYALLY my friend…
    RESIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  11. It’s obvious that they did not calculate the kind of support the man has from his staff…neither did they calculate possible industrial action…
    Wow…this seems elementary to me…it’s called calculating the risk before making a decision…
    NOW THEY ALL LOOK STUPID and they’ve embarrased the government…
    Not sure ef dem got shame anyhow….SHUPESSSSSS


  12. From what I understand, Mr. Alleyne was fired under the Public Service Act – an Act that does not apply to the SSA. Therefore he was fired wrongfully, not that he was innocent. If he is guilty of pilfering away those cheques, then the SSA Board has to look for and fire him under the Act that governs a Statutory organisation. It’s like an employee of Sandy Lane Hotel being fired for some issue and management of Sandy Lane claiming they were fired through ‘such and such’ section of the Public Service Act.


  13. Queen we have heard your position put forward by the union so the big question we have is what legal counsel for SSA Board advised? For such an obvious mess-up who shall we hold accountable because this technicality does not let of Stanton Alleyn in the Court of Public opinion.

  14. Type because you have fingers? Avatar
    Type because you have fingers?

    Do most of you type because you have fingers? Do you base most of your opinions in life on assumptions?

    I will preface this by saying I work for the SSA. I am not management or got any sitdown job like Mr.Bourne.

    You are lumping in Mr.Alleyne with the likes of Owen and other known thiefs of the BLP and private sector, when ironically Alleyne has had years of stress inflicted on him from same said BLP because he remains to be neutral on the political scene. He has been acting for 6 years, if he was a member of the BLP boys club do you think he would still be acting? Did you know that during that time a new GM was appointed and stepped down due to not being able to handle the pressure?

    This situation is not the boards fault or Mr.Alleynes fault even though I think the firing was utter nonsense , I commend the board for wanting to rout out corruption. However if you are gardening and looking for weeds make sure its a weed first before you rush to pull it out of the ground. The Board was too over zealous in trusting evidence from a questionable person with clear motives to create this situation. They did not realise however that Mr.Alleyne is an excellent leader and has taken care of us for many years so it was only right that we stand in solidarity.

    The people to blame are the real thiefs of the past administration and private sector that have created a environment where we now EXPECT people to be up to no good. Where the slightest hint of unexplainable data is automatically wrongdoing. We as a people have been wronged into adopting this cynical and pessimistic view of our leaders and figures. I only hope that the people who are trying to clean up these messes dont wrong the people more by being over zealous and accumulating the collateral damage of good men like Mr.Alleyne.

    I agree the union leaders have too much uncontrolled power and we should have someone to regulate the Unions but in this case , I can guarantee you that even WITHOUT a union. We ,SSA workers would not have touched
    a single bag of garbage until Mr.Alleyne was reinstating. We DO NOT care about the process, we care about the fact that he is innocent and most of us that have been around since those times know the issue with that contractor.

    I dont think the Board should resign, I dont think Mr.Alleyne should be forced into retiring. I think the Minister, The Board,Mr.Alleyne and the Crook should get together and issue a statement to the Barbadian public. Take the high road and say corruption will not be tolerated, we made an error in judgement and we will continue to be vigilant in all areas of the government. The fact that they fired him because they believe he was corrupt (even though they were wrong) shows me are the right men for the job.

    The people need the full story and a resolution, a little knowledge is a terrible thing, speculation is a terrible thing.

    Thank you for your time.
    You can continue your partisan back and forth.


  15. I agree with you, David. Who was the legal advisor to the SSA board?


  16. “I dont think the Board should resign, I dont think Mr.Alleyne should be forced into retiring. I think the Minister, The Board, Mr.Alleyne and the Crook should get together and issue a statement to the Barbadian public. Take the high road and say corruption will not be tolerated, we made an error in judgement and we will continue to be vigilant in all areas of the government. The fact that they fired him because they believe he was corrupt (even though they were wrong) shows me [they] are the right men for the job.”

    If you believe that after this poor judgment on the part of the Board that the situation can be salvaged…then maybe you are correct that everyone should come together like one big happy family and make a feel-good statement to the public and let’s put the issue to rest…
    But knowing human psychology…I still believe that your Management team will find it very hard to trust your current Board moving forward…
    Additionally, because of this fiasco…those with useful information will now be more reluctant to come forward…
    So…if as an insider you strongly believe that there’s room for forgiveness…then I support FORGIVENESS 100%…
    It ‘s heartening to see the staff of the SSA take such a strong stand for something they believe in…and, like I said, if there’s a consensus among you guys to keep the Board…THEN LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD…
    RESPECT….


  17. Again, the Board cannot hire nor fire, they can RECOMMEND – it is a CABINET decision, the Board was out of bounds… Hinds you don’t work at SSA – I do, and I know who is Dem and who is Bee and who is neither! So please keep your misinformation to yourself, ok? Read “Type because you have fingers”, they have an insider’s view


  18. I don’t think the Board should resign. Zeal without knowledge is a terrible thing and I think the SSA Board is guilty of this. If it is known as suggested by ‘type because you have fingers’ who the thief is, then why not send the police after them as was done at the NIS? The Public Service Act does not apply so some other Act must – ask the NIS how they were successfully able to bring charges against those 2 employees. However, as I see always happen in Barbados, these issues are throw out to the public, threats are made – and at the end of the day, the Barbados public would still remain rob of thousands of dollars. I really believe that forensic and investigative ‘investigations’ should go into this frustrating element of ‘public departments’. It is really tiresome. Someone must be charge for what has gone on at the SSA and not just anyone but the person who most people suspect and even suggest. For pete’s sake, I wish we would start arresting and charging those in authority who’s into wrong doing, rather than the little person who’s trying to take care of his family.


  19. Hey Queen
    —————>
    what is it that has gone on at SSA
    I am not sure about what you are talking about
    who did what
    when
    where
    how

    I am puzzled by this whole affair-cant seem to understand these matters—–above my head -i must say !

    Iknow though that many people talk about things for which they have no facts——I can see some of that coming through in the comments posted here.

    I was part of a situation couple years ago.
    All sorts of person called in on the call-in show , expressing all sorts of opinions on the matter and as a person involved , I was appalled at the level of mis-information that emanated from the call-in shows. A certain senator at the time called and talked so much rubbish on the matter-it was unbelievable. The real sorry part was that he pretended to know what he was talking about.

    So I am very wary in situations such as the one at SSA because the wider public never gets the full information. People close to the situation would know the truth and they would tell a few friends and relatives but generally speaking -the full story is usually covered down and we know what happens when people report things: some distort the truth by reporting their interpretation of a matter and not the facts of the matter; some forget certain little words such as ‘not’. By the time the story reaches us it is so distorted -its a totally different thing —


  20. Something has gone on at the SSA or we would not have been discussing it to this length. Yes, I agree that by the time the public hears it, it is distorted but something happended to cause this domino effect to cascade into a full blown firing/re-hiring of Mr. Alleyne. I posit that nothing ever comes of these issues in Barbados – absolutely nothing. Look at the Hardwood Housing issue and who they are suggesting might be prosecuted. There is has a spirit of hypocrisy hanging over this island.


  21. My My Ian Bourne sounds so very defensive. In your defense of Mr. Alleyne you stated the following “the Board cannot hire nor fire, they can RECOMMEND – it is a CABINET decision” . Well if the CABINET had fired Mr. Alleyne would that have made everything alright or would the SSA workers still strike? With friends like you Mr. Alleyne doesn’t need enemies if your only defense of him is that the wrong people fired him.

    And since you claim to know the political affiliation of all the folks at SSA what do you do with that information? Do you filter any discussion with them through a political lens?
    If the employees at SSA are as professional as you imply they are it shouldn’t matter which party they are aligned to, as long as they do their jobs.


  22. Did the file still go to the DPP? What if he decides that charges can be filed? Why is Mr. Bourne so vocal against his Board which recommended him to be employed as a public relations officer? This normally happens when the DLP is the government.


  23. I warned the DLP that if they did not move quickly and remove these BLP operatives from their positions that they would regret it with sack cloth and ashes now look what is happening!
    ………………………………………………………………….
    It look as though your advice was taken and we are now seeing the repercussions.


  24. Hi Carson. I am now reading today’s articles and I came across the dilemma with your wife. I sympathise with your wife and the behaviour of the union. We all have bad apples within our systems, even in our homes and schools, and not withstanding the church. But we are going to have a bigger problem with the statement now being made by the Minister of Education regarding the removal of spanking from the school system. I am extremely concerned about the random statements by various ministers. Are these statements blessed by the DLP hierachy or ministers talking without consultation?

    Again Carson, I offer my concern and hope that your wife will do the good job she is doing and keep away from these violent children.


  25. 1: It the top guy was implicated in breaking the law , immediately is the only good time to be rid of him.
    ………………………………………………………………….
    Hi Adrian. If the ‘burdom of proof’ have not been established, how on earth can he be legally implicated? With that in mind your other pointers becomes null and void and Mr. Alleyne will still be innocent until prove guilty.


  26. I, like others feel strongly that the board should be fired. We know that Dr. Marshal is the chairman, but do tell me, who are the names of the other members. Maybe, we will see if it is really Mr. Marshall who fouled up or he was pushed.


  27. // June 29, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Again, the Board cannot hire nor fire, they can RECOMMEND – it is a CABINET decision, the Board was out of bounds… Hinds you don’t work at SSA – I do, and I know who is Dem and who is Bee and who is neither! So please keep your misinformation to yourself, ok? Read “Type because you have fingers”, they have an insider’s view
    =================================
    What misinformation are you refering too? The current board is filled with DLP operatives and Stanton is a rank BLP hack who like Ian Walcott and a whole host of Bajan limies, and Yankees, got or had government jobs base on who they know and not of merit. This SSA empass is essentially a political fight.

    ….But let me ask you do you think that Stanton Alleyne should get away without explaining those cheques?


  28. Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 1:27 am

    1: It the top guy was implicated in breaking the law , immediately is the only good time to be rid of him.
    ………………………………………………………………….
    Hi Adrian. If the ‘burdom of proof’ have not been established, how on earth can he be legally implicated? With that in mind your other pointers becomes null and void and Mr. Alleyne will still be innocent until prove guilty.
    =================================

    Everyday people are sentence for breaking the law even though they refuse to take the stand in their own defense.

    Stanton Alleyne was presented with the proof (cheques made out to him from a contrator) that the Board had. He was asked to explain (give evidence in his defense) and he did not. To many of us potential jurist, Judge and jury in the court of public opinion, he is at the very least behaving as if he has something to hide. To me he is guilty. Stanton can continue to hide behind the static legal process to keep his job and not be subjected to the prevention of corruption act of Barbados, but he will not be allowed to carry on as if he did absolutely nothing wrong. He took a bribe like so many others in the Public service.


  29. Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 1:37 am

    I, like others feel strongly that the board should be fired. We know that Dr. Marshal is the chairman, but do tell me, who are the names of the other members. Maybe, we will see if it is really Mr. Marshall who fouled up or he was pushed.
    ================================

    Let me see. Now Stanton Alleyne took bribes in contravention of the laws of Barbados, but he should keep his job.

    What law did the Board break? Uh mean there seems to be a BLP law that says; no BLP hack should loose their government pick for any reason, but this is not a national law, and certainly not one that DLP hacks who’s party is in power should adhere too!


  30. Fairplay // June 29, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Did the file still go to the DPP? What if he decides that charges can be filed? Why is Mr. Bourne so vocal against his Board which recommended him to be employed as a public relations officer? This normally happens when the DLP is the government.
    =================================
    It is most likely that the DPP would have ruled against prosecution of Stanton Alleyne, for two reasons.

    The office of the DPP is hardly an impartial one. This case against Stanton is very similar to the accusation Thompson laid against Owen Arthur. Can you imagine the implications should it be allowed to proceed? At some point we have to accept that the concept of Barbados being a nation of laws is not very true.


  31. Is this author in Barbados? maybe in body and not is spirit. His mind has got to be in another space. Maybe an introduction to the opinions of Ian Walcott, Ian Bourne, and Tell me why, can bring him back to reality of life in Bimshire. 😀

    Triumph of lawlessness
    Nevertheless, impenetrable tints are virtually a norm around here. What are we to understand by The Rule of Law?

    There is no room in our Barbados for persons either acting, or being treated, as if they are above the law.

    http://www.nationnews.com/editorial/292018488629175.php


  32. although I agree with Bush teas premise I am also a realist. That was why when i saw the populace responding to ‘Time for a Change’ in the last election I queried what grass they were smoking. The fact is that in a small society like ours it is extremely difficult if not imposible for a govrenment to function without some level nepotism. And it is alo extermely difficult if not impossiblefor the populace to NOT want to benefit beacuse of who they know or are related to. In addition if a significant number of bajans both B and D are ACCUSTOMED To getting things by favour why would a change of government from B to D make a difference.

    I think we would need a REVOLUTION in firstly the way that we THINK…


  33. Me, i don’t think that most bajans decided to vote out the BLP, base on the call from the DLP for change. Everybody could be heard saying the BLP was in power for too long. I also don’t think Bajans expect anything earth shattering from this DLP government. Most people can be heard saying things like “all politicians are alike” or Bees and dees are the same set of people wearing a different colour shirt etc.. A revolution of our thought process may not be necessary. I believe that most Bajans know not to expect much difference between Bees and Dees, what is needed is for us to energize our thinking by asking questions as to why things are the way they are. We can become excited by the possibilities of such a simple exercise. Revolutionary? hardly. 😀


  34. “I don’t mind they giving back Mr Alleyne his job. I don’t have anything against him. He is a black man like me,” he added.

    Andrew Thomas

    He then went on to produce copies of two cheques written to and drawn down by Stanton Alleyne.

    Isn’t it obvious that Andrew Thomas thinks that to bribe public servants is the way to win contracts? He probably views these bribes as any other normal business expense. How many of us cannot recall stories of persons having to pay a public servant under the table, to get a favourable outcome to a driving test, or to process a passport or unemployment check much faster than the usual time, or to clear something from the port of post office?

    According to Mr.Thomas this is what a black man has to do. Are they not laws against bribing a public servant? If so action needs to be taken against him too. Uh mean that is if we are indeed a nation of laws.

    I am on record as saying that some Bajan business men have as they only strategy “winning a government contract” does this prove my contention? 😀

  35. Type because you have fingers? Avatar
    Type because you have fingers?

    Hi , Its me again. If you dont know my views or my position in this fiasco then please scroll up and read my first post.

    To Mr.Ian Walcott

    If you do really know the chairman, encourage him to read my message and talk to heart the message as a consensus from most of the workers I have spoken to on every level. We commend the board for wanting to root out corruption but they need to do due diligence before jumping the gun. You are right and they will lose faith from the employees if they dont fully rectify this situation by apologizing,explaining and clearing the issue and Mr. Alleyne in the public eye. Being against corruption and being upfront enough to admit mistakes are good qualities in a board and we would stand by them also.

    To Adrian Hinds

    You are the same as the board. In your eagerness to destroy what you call BLP hackism you are grouping in Mr.Alleyne. To quote a truck driver that I recently express this view that some people think Mr.Alleyne is a BLP hire “you must be one ignant son of a bitch”. You are telling me that a man that worked in almost every facet of the SSA (Pulverisation Plant, Landfill,Etc) for 30 years was hired in his position because of affliation with the BLP? You are telling me that man that working in the stench of the landfill for years, made suggestions and improvements to the SSA on behalf of the workers when he WASNT a manager was hired because of politics and not because he paid his dues? You telling me the man that used to come back from meetings with the minister cussing in the yard is a BLP?If you are telling me the man that was recommended by the former GM but was still acting in the position for 6 goddamn years even after paying said dues is BLP. Why wouldnt they have rushed to put him in? You telling me that the person they(BLP) tried to replace 3 times and actually did replace at one point but had to reinstate him when their hack wouldnt handle the job and didnt know what the hell he was doing? All these things point to the fact that he WASNT BLP, infact he could have made his life easier and not be in this postion now if he had made the move to become BLP. You the overzealous captain of the lynch mob should well know if he was a BLP they would have found a way in those 10 years to brush this under the Owen rug in a way it would never be able to come up again. Honestly, Mr.Hinds no disrespect but it hurts me as a hardworking barbadian for people like you to sit on high and assume people got positions because of who they know when a clear record of grease and hardwork is more than transparent.

    This goes back to what I said earlier, we expect corruption because of how the former adminstration has pulled the wool over our eyes for so long. We are all hurt, damaged and cynical because of it. Me too, but like a woman who was in a bad marriage we cant approach all men like they are bad too. We have to be vigilant but not bias and predisposed.

    To Mr.Bourne

    You need to make a decision. No disrespect sir but you have been at the SSA for two mornings. Alot of us have been here for years and know Mr.Alleyne and know of this Mr.Thomas from when he used to be around complaining and trying to be a weasel. Your lack of real insight and real investment in this issue makes sit on a fence where you come in here and type weak ambigious stuff. I understand you are bound by your job and public appearance to not say certains things and I respect that. If you have your hands tied behind your back you cant expect to come in here and box with these guys.

    Thanks for your time.

    OH and here is a somewhat funny back and forth from some workers for those of you that dont come here with a chip on your shoulder or a policital axe to grind.

    “All the man had to do was say he want his money and prove that money is owing him for work done”

    “Ye alot of people think he mean that Ahlin (Alleyne) took the money from the SSA and aint give he”

    “Nah, he say he bribe bossman for the job, pay he $1000 for the job”

    “$1000 for a big f**king job like that?”

    “yes a job that aint even get do. I going to bribe the people at price waterhouse $50 to let me win the lotto!!”

    “Make sure you get pay them bribes in cheques ya! They wont caught ya AHAHAHA”


  36. It is not sufficient to ask why…I think that someone, a charismatic leader with a truly diffrent way of doing things is what we really need. BUt we also need a populac that would truly refuse to accpet things as usaula and customary. That would be revolutionary!


  37. Whilst at it Adrian. How come everyone over looked the fact that Mr. Thomas met with the then leader of the Opposition way back in 1999, the same time as the cheques. Maybe, and I am very careful with my words cause I ain’t want to be sued by either parties. We know for sure that Mr. Alleyne was not the GM at the time, we are hearing about cheques written, but no concrete evidence of WHY. We know that he met with the then Opposition leader, but we don’t know WHY. We know the cheques were cashed, again we don’t know the transaction.

    Possibly the transaction went sour, or maybe it was political ploy since it was electioneering time.


  38. That’s my post above

  39. Type because you have fingers? Avatar
    Type because you have fingers?

    Why are my posts being censored?


  40. me // June 30, 2008 at 11:23 am

    It is not sufficient to ask why…I think that someone, a charismatic leader with a truly diffrent way of doing things is what we really need. BUt we also need a populac that would truly refuse to accpet things as usaula and customary. That would be revolutionary!
    =================================

    How can “WE” have a “Leader” in this present system?

    WE as in the people do not directly vote for or elect the Leader of the country? That is a problem for any so call Leader, charismatic or not, ask Sandiford.

    The Leader in Barbados is the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister is first chosen by the politcal party, and ratified by members of parliament per the constitution, who repose their confidence in the poltical appointed party Leader who made it to parliament as a constituency representative.

    The Office of Prime Minister is held in check by parliament. Sandiford thought otherwise and lost. If the Prime Minister loses the confidence of his majority in parliament he will cease to be the Leader of the Country. The only way to solve this, is to have a popularly elected Leader who is answerable only to the people. This is why the wishes of the people are not actioned. The special interest in Barbados are the individual members of parliament without whom the PM cannot be the Leader.


  41. Anonymous // June 30, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Whilst at it Adrian. How come everyone over looked the fact that Mr. Thomas met with the then leader of the Opposition way back in 1999, the same time as the cheques. Maybe, and I am very careful with my words cause I ain’t want to be sued by either parties. We know for sure that Mr. Alleyne was not the GM at the time, we are hearing about cheques written, but no concrete evidence of WHY. We know that he met with the then Opposition leader, but we don’t know WHY. We know the cheques were cashed, again we don’t know the transaction.

    Possibly the transaction went sour, or maybe it was political ploy since it was electioneering time.
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    Your assumptions are not my concern, even if such is the truth, the indisputable facts are that a Contractor wrote cheques of a personal nature to a government employee who had authority to issue and did authorize the awarding of contracts to said contractor. The mere copies of such cheques demands at least a review by the DPP as is required by the Laws of Barbados, specifically the prevention of corruption act of Barbados.

    We must not only say that we are nation of laws, we must act when required by said laws, for this to be so.


  42. Which rule of law will be able to link the receivable of cheques to bribery. Mr Alleyne don’t have to answer any questions point blank.


  43. Tell me Why // June 30, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Which rule of law will be able to link the receivable of cheques to bribery. Mr Alleyne don’t have to answer any questions point blank.
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    ha ha ha ha ha thats why i would suggest to the author of the nationnews article “TRIUMPH OF LAWLESSNESS” That he review your comments to see that while he may think that “there is no room in our Barbados for persons either acting, or being treated, as if they are above the law” that the room is actuall filled with such persons. 😀

    http://www.nationnews.com/editorial/292018488629175.php


  44. Am ” Type because you have fingers” so you know, I cannot stop being t the “Ignorant son of a bitch” It is who i am, and proudly so. 😀 But can we meet in person? I would really like to find out if you had seriously intended to call my mother a bitch, and if so, give you the opportunity to tell me so to my face. Oh how sweet it could be, as short live as would be, don’t you think? I am willing to give you that chance are you game? Don’t i deserve to be told to my face what a low life i am? I think so 😀

    …..Let me make it clear, I believe he is a BLP hack, and if perchance that i am wrong, from my veiw point he is in the least, being position as such by some in the BLP to give appearances to and too strengthen the BLP’s position that the current government is on a witch hunt to victimize persons who they concider to be BLP supporters.

    …….My only real contention is that the cheques is possible proof of a bribe, and if are suggesting otherwise, then it would mean that Mr. Thomas made the whole thing up. We know this to be not so. Mr. Thomas made it very clear who and for what purpose those cheques were intended. And while we know that Mr Stanton has cashed those cheques, he as has not disputed that which Mr. Thomas contends. And i believe he hasn’t done so becuase he can’t, but this is Barbados and i would not be surprise if Mr. Thomas comes at the 11th hour and say that he paid the cheques to Mr. Alleyne for some legitimate transaction that makes the question of possible corruption null and void. After all his only reason for disclosing those cheques was to prove his case for monies owed to him for work done.


  45. After all his only reason for disclosing those cheques was to prove his case for monies owed to him for work done.
    ……………………………………………………………………..
    Or maybe, he was pushed. Wow. Something sound fishy.


  46. this case aint worth talking bout
    david thompson and his cronies need to find something to do and stop being vindictive
    this is nothing


  47. We agree with me 100%.Adrian H has been saying it as well. We have changed the actors and the jury will be out for a long time on whether serious change can be achieved within the current system of governance.

    Although we applaud the SSA Board on their zeal to depart from the old mode their must be aware of the constrains that are still in place.


  48. Queen
    If Mr Alleyne was fired under the wrong act, can these same bunch of losers come back and fire the man under another act? If he is wrong, FIRE HIM, but a new board would have to do that and explain that to the employers(the public/voters. DLP asked for change, we demanding change; transparent change.


  49. Anonymous // June 30, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    this case aint worth talking bout
    david thompson and his cronies need to find something to do and stop being vindictive
    this is nothing
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    So Anon you believe Stanton Alleyne is a BLP hack too? 😀 LOL


  50. ‘The Scout’
    I do not know what went wrong but as I stated before maybe there was a bit too much zeal there without knowledge. I do not understand how the Board of the NIS got it right and the Board of the SSA got it wrong. It is plain to see that he took a bride and we do not know what else but I do hope I see justice being done in this instance.

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