Crime and Violence | Anonymous Video Forces Orange Alert

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106 thoughts on “Crime and Violence | Anonymous Video Forces Orange Alert


  1. Who remembers when Maurice King publicly stated there were no gangs? Who remembers when the late David Thompson pushed a platform message of crime and violence and was roundly laughed at by the country? Now we have celebration in the hood, latest Deacons, of gun salutes to welcome home brethren released from prison. Note this is not new in the country, only becoming more frequent and expanding in noise.

    Hardears wunna wont hear. One day coming soon.


  2. Understand that the ‘real’ Anonymous does not take kindly to using their face irresponsibly. Maybe these fellows will get away with it, being from a small part of a small island.


  3. Let us be clear however. Some thugs can surely cause damage, sadly, most to innocents.

    However, at the end of the day, they all end up where they ask to. If they think that they can run the Police, more fool them.

    There is always a backup. Police, then Task Force, then BDF and finally US Forces.

    Don’t think too many bajans would mind seeing US Soldiers patrolling Bridgetown.

    Many would be quite happy, or very happy.

    So, those thugs better know that you better be able to end what you start.

    But may be they do not. In which case, they will not be around for long.

    And please, let us not hear ‘but he was a good boy’ from the grandmudda … nonsense.

    A good boy does not shoot at people, let alone Police.

    If I were Police I know what I would be doing now.

    And wunna could suck salt.


  4. The only people taking that seriously is government.., reading the damn dialect and listening to DMX simultaneously gave me a headache, I thought a bajan voice was on there…steupps..

    I listened to DMX for decades in NYC….the two, DMX and bajan dialect do not go together.

    A got a grandson love to go down to Bim and talk dialect, sounds like the crap he talks for laughs and giggles…. he was about 14 when he first got introduced to dialect.


  5. Tell me again what is so chilling about DMX of US with his decades old practice of singing what he feels…in the US…
    ..

    ….and bajan dialect written by someone with the intellect of a 14 year old….steuppsss


  6. @ David,

    About 10 years ago I witnessed a “Swat team” op in Barbados.

    5 or 6 vehicles 2 to 4 cops in each passed me near Lime Grove and I caught up to them in the Garden.

    What is happening today is the result of a problem that should have been addressed years ago.


  7. Crusoe,
    The US has the highest number of incarcerations in the civilised word – even more than the Chinese and Russians. What has local, state, federal and national guard crime fighters done to halt this drift towards a permanent state of crime?
    What does it tell you about America that one in three young black men born today is likely to end up in the criminal justice system?
    Barbados has got more lawyers per capita than New York. Where are they now we are having a discussion that is up their street?


  8. Even if the video was done by a child, the firing of weapons in Deacons road was real.

    Anyone living in Barbados knows how serious this guns and gangs problem is.

    The economy of Barbados could be devastated by an escalation of violent crime.


    • @Hants

      You are correct. It is about threading recent events like you mentioned -the hail of bullets unleashed in Deacons, the shooting of a woman at the RBC Cave Hill location, the beating of a young man by some scallywags at Sheraton last week etc etc etc.


  9. It is all traceable to the post independence politicians and the politics of division they preached.

    Their message was one of hate.

    “For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.”

    So true … Barbados is more or less owned/controlled by foreigners!!


  10. Hants July 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM #
    Even if the video was done by a child, the firing of weapons in Deacons road was real

    Exactly. But if there was a raid tomorrow, to seize weapons, all one would hear is ‘cuh dear, but dem ent had to run in de place in de night and kick down de people doors, nuh..’ and de grandmuddas stating ‘but dem is good boys, dey only get in bad company…’.

    Stupse.


  11. @ Hants July 29, 2017 at 1:27 PM #
    “What is happening today is the result of a problem that should have been addressed years ago.”

    Too much of criminal activity is directly associated or results from the illegal marijuana trade.

    Where there is an illegal activity in which money can be made there will be people and guns to protect that underground business.

    Until the profit in this widespread business activity is significantly reduced there will be always serious criminal involvement at all levels of society which currently benefit financially from the trade in a simple god-made plant called mary-jane.

    There is no money through tax dollars for the government as in the case of the licensed sale of alcohol or cigarettes so there will be no rush to decriminalization to prevent lawyers and others including the guardians of the ports and law enforcers from earning from this illegal but lucrative income earning and easy revenue stream.


  12. this has been coming since cnn opened shop in barbados, first time I saw this gangsta mentality and bling when they made it fashionable, get a grip on it or all inclusives are in your future, do you think the cubans would let this go on if it affected forex


  13. @ millertheanunnaki ,

    I support the legalisation of marijuana but the problem today is guns and gangs.

    Barbados is only 166 sq. miles so finding the guns should not be difficult for the Police.


  14. Hants….who goes down in those same ghettos every election and use those same guntoting youth and the drug dealers they work for to help them buy votes. ?…that is the question.

    The problems in the depressed areas run much deeper than that.

    Besides…it would not take much for some mischevious people to ride down in those ghettos and pay each youngster 200 dollars to shoot up the place.

    Since that brouhaha this week…everyone has an agenda.

    And that video with no one or any bajan voice in sight, anyone could have put together that garbage, everyone got an agenda.

    And when talking about the US and generational black incarceration,…..I cant count how many times there have been documentaries showcasing that incarceration of blacks and hispanics is an industry, it makes money for the system….it replaced slavery…I cant count how many times, yet hardheaded people come with the same stale arguments each time.


  15. I dont hear anyone calling for those yachts entering ports Charles and Ferdinand to be searched everytime they enter the island, or for those private planes that land often at the private airport, with their own customs and immigration, be searched, everytime they enter.

    That is what should be happening.


  16. David

    We were never convinced that the general attitudes of Bajans towards prisoners was correct.

    In sum those attitudes make life after prison ……….. more prison

    Prison in Barbados, like most of the USA, represents the modern slave system. A system most Bajans suport.


    • In Barbados there is little focus on rehabilitation in prison or outside. Just look at the closure of the Alma Parris School Pacha.

      You are correct, an incarcerated person in Barbados is doomed read life remains in the toilet.


  17. There is a quota to fill prisons with blacks and hispanics in the US, whether innocent or guilty, it is the new slave system, what makes it easier for the system, there are many mentally weak people, particularly males, who find it hard to adjust to the system…those are easy to round up and imprison.

    I suspect the late DPP had his own quota system for filling the lone prison on the island, who was going to stop him, he was a power unto himself….violating the rights of males by remanding them upwards to 10 years without evidence.

    In just 9 months just watch and see the difference when election is near…no more police raids and talk about gun violence and murders until after election.


  18. Yes the release of guns in Deacons was real……this video is questionable too many things in it are not of Bimmer gangsta quality.

    Restless youth are a product of a visionless leadership……an old saying in Bim…..the devil finds work for idle hands….

    So many things can be undertaken in this country if its leadership was not pre-occupied with self.

    We have.

    …..aqua/agriculture and solar to get on track.

    ……the re-development of the Scotland District,starting with the grossly neglected Belleplaine.

    …..roads to fix.

    ….buildings in towns to re-purpose.

    ….education at all levels…..to suit new industry.

    …..we have lots of work to do…..can we get up of our brains and do it.


  19. @ David…. and Vincent, yes we have lots of work to do to correct societal problems but the

    current problem of gangs and guns calls for immediate action.

    Don’t want Barbados to become like Toronto.


  20. @ Hants July 29, 2017 at 2:08 PM #
    “I support the legalisation of marijuana but the problem today is guns and gangs.
    Barbados is only 166 sq. miles so finding the guns should not be difficult for the Police.”

    That is precisely the point that is being championed.

    The proliferation of guns is a direct result of the illegal drug trade.

    Do you really believe the finding of illegal guns is that easy when the same facilitators of the gun trade are top bureaucratic officials who are prepared to sell out their own country for a few thousands dollars in order to afford an SUV or a 5-bedroom house in the Heights or Terraces?

    What about the unofficial’ protection ‘offered by the same ruling politicians to drug gang leaders like Bounty K and Stinkliar’s kingpin of the Red Sea posse similar to that given to the white collar scammers like Leroy Greenverbs for being the intimate buddy of the political boss man with more than $5 million (fraudulently acquired and laundered) stashed away in the vault at the C B?

    Turn your back on similar illegal activities such as vote buying and illegal behaviour by ZR vehicles and the motor cyclist showcasing and you are opening the door to widespread social indiscipline and blatant lawbreaking, even in the hallowed halls of a poor-rakey Parliament.


  21. Hants

    Immediate action tends to come with a heavy hand that only serves to polarise the youth more.

    Once that is the tactic,we have to accept the loss of a generation with some collateral damage in order to save the next one.


  22. toronto 50-65 murders a year (mostly gangs) population 5.5mill.barbados 270k population july29 already 20 murders. this is a problem. youth dont like being disrespected,even if they dont show respect when they should. all people need some hope and direction barbados has lots of smart people they need to take the lead


  23. Miller
    Ref your 3.24p post,no reasonable member should fault your observations.Lets hope,given his big influence in the Red Sea area the Hon Member for St Michael NW will assist the Police in ferreting out the misguided and their tools of trade.It is my understanding that there is no block culture in Martinique or Guadeloupe that that type of activity results in compulsory lock up and compulsory skill training.


  24. The violence by our young black men is causing us great worry and concern. We are all saddened by the death of innocent people. I share the grief of their loved ones. What is of concern to me is the way the perpetrators of other crimes seem to be getting away with theirs.:_

    (a) those who were ripped off by CLICO and the criminals walking free. (I am one of the
    victims)

    (b) those who have been robbed by unscrupulous lawyers who are yet to appear before the
    courts. )

    The violence by these young is abhorrent, but I am sure even though they may not be smart enough to have a university degree, they KNOW that certain people in this country can commit crime and get away with it. So I hope the powers that be reflect on the way they have dealt with (a) and (b).


  25. Why are we surprised that violence is on the rise in Barbados. I would say that at least ten percent of our tourists have a cocaine habit. Our tourism industry is far too important for our government to curb the flow of drugs onto the island.

    WWW&C do you seriously believe that this government will undermine our tourist industry by raising the level of surveillance at Port Charles and Port Ferdinand. Tourists are cash cows; our country needs them.

    Whether we’re talking about cocaine or hemp there is money out there to be made. Barbados is a soft touch of an island with a virgin domestic market and a low-level of security. Factor in that we are sandwiched in between one continent that manufactures cocaine and another continent that consumes the said drug; that a number of our politicians, members of the business community and some of our security personnel have probably become compromised by the drug dealers – then you can see where we are heading.

    Sadly, i see no way out of this downward cycle. We are a small island with little prospects of developing our economy. The sale of illicit drugs may be the only viable option available to us. The question remains are we as a society prepared to accept the accompanying violence and insecurity of such a pernicious industry?


  26. Spare a thought for what is going on in our sister Caribbean State Antigua where another Caribbean buccaneer type investor is alleged to be using his clout to bring the government there to heel with the grant of further concessions.Sandals at Dickinson Bay employs 700 persons and out of the blue took a decision to close the property for maintenance for 5 months beginning September 2017.The following articles tell the tale and given our 40 year tax concessions to the same Sandals and the current impasse the unions and the private sector are having with the NSRL tax which seem to be part of the tools the government is using to garner revenues lost by the Sandals concessions,Antigua’s dilemma is of interest to Barbados.Staurt and Duprey both big operators and both throwing their weight around in a fashion unbecoming good corporate citizens.These Caribbean States can do without these present day buccaneers.Some would say Pirates of the Caribbean is more than a movie.

    https://antiguaobserver.com/pm-alleges-sandals-and-other-hotels-creaming-off-the-top/comment-3441737261

    https://antiguaobserver.com/union-estimates-sandals-closure-will-cost-ab-millions/

    https://antiguaobserver.com/analyst-calls-for-integrity-commission-to-look-into-gifts/


  27. Anne July 29, 2017 at 9:07 PM #
    …(b) those who have been robbed by unscrupulous lawyers who are yet to appear before the
    courts. )

    Sadly, despite abhorring the violence, I find that I cannot disagree with your point. I wonder how many have been ripped off by estate work etc. That seems to be a main area that needs urgent attention and more rules to ensure accountability and transparency on what has taken place. You hear about people living abroad who are waiting years to hear if a family member estate has been settled.

    How can that be?


  28. @ Anne who wrote ” You hear about people living abroad who are waiting years to hear if a family member estate has been settled.”

    I am one of those waiting years but I am more concerned for my family and friends in

    Barbados who may get shot or murdered just like the lady who was killed at the ATM.


  29. “WWW&C do you seriously believe that this government will undermine our tourist industry by raising the level of surveillance at Port Charles and Port Ferdinand. Tourists are cash cows; our country needs them.”

    Both governments are cowards, they would allow the flow of guns and drugs to keep tourists happy, tourism alive and believe that’s the best they can do, wasted taxpayer’s dollars on university education,…no moral compass and they do not think they are capable or have the skills and abilities to do better..

    Slaves in parliament managing a stagnant slave society, cant move forward but regressing at an alarming rate,.


  30. What else do we expect in a society where many of the younger citizens seem to be angry with themselves, other people and at the world?

    Being courteous, caring or helpful are simple traditional values that seem to be no longer practiced by Barbadians in general.

    A few days ago, for certain reasons, I caught a Transport Board bus and sat in one of those “elevated” seats at the rear. Standing passengers decided they would not go any further into the bus and bundled at the front door, leaving lots of room at the rear.

    A pregnant lady caught the bus and “not a boy” sitting in the seats designated for the elderly, disabled, people with infants in arms and pregnant women, did not get up to allow her to sit. After about 5 minutes of some vocal passengers cursing people and begging them to be kind, the driver turned off the engine, thereby indicating he was not prepared to continue the journey until someone gave the lady a seat. We remained “idle” for almost ten minutes before someone decided to give her their seat.

    ………. Fifteen minutes wasted……..

    Went in Chefette Lower Broad Street to purchase ice cream. The cashier was polite, but the similar could be descriptive of the servers. They seemed to be angry with themselves and more so, customers. A lady asked one for a cup of water, while telling her the rotis were a bit too salty.

    Rather than responding to the criticism by saying, for example, “Sorry madam, I’ll inform management,” even if she did not have any intensions of doing so…………… she responded loudly, “I doan mek dum!!!” The expression of anger manifested itself in her face.

    Went into Savings Plus Supermarket, Habour Road to buy a few items…… greeted the cashier with “good afternoon” …… she refused to respond. She took my money, threw the change in my hand, put the items in a bag, threw them at the back of the checkout counter and angrily repeated her actions to the next customer.

    And it is not surprising to me that Savings Plus’ staff turnover rate, similarly to many other establishments, is very high.

    Despite parents living above their means to give their children $500 “Northface” bags (primary school children, too); $2,000 Samsung S* mobiles; expensive clothes; tablets, X-boxes, etc…………. the young people seem to be very angry.

    We are utilizing the skills of Yolande Forde and Cheryl Willoughby to compile “impressive” crime statistics, while the root causes of this anger, which eventually graduates into committing heinous crimes, remains unaddressed.


  31. Artax: “What else do we expect in a society where many of the younger citizens seem to be angry with themselves, other people and at the world?”

    Most of the people in this forum are elderly, many of them pensioners. How do you explain that anger, bitterness, envy, viciousness, incivility, foul-mouthed comments?


  32. Well said Artax

    “The expression of anger manifested itself in her face.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    She probably is suffering from the same malady as the PM and his ministers…


  33. @ Artax

    it is undeniable that as bad as things are in Barbados right now, most Barbadians live in material conditions that are the envy of most people in the world. Yet you suggest that many of our youth are angry. I do not dispute your observation but wish to understand the reason for this anger.

    On this gentle Sunday morning, I present the following video presentation. It may be romantic even naive but I hope it might provide something useful to think about and more importantly to act on.

    https://youtu.be/4GX6a2WEA1Q


  34. and please don’t think I am putting Mujica on a pedestal as some kind of perfect man. I just think he is very fallible man saying something worth thinking about.


  35. @ Ping Pong

    Thanks.
    A simple man who understands the danger of the albino-centric philosophy and the value of a COMMUNITY centric orientation.

    He is wrong about having to learn from your own mistakes…. but was referring to his own personal experiences. A REALLY wise man can learn from the experiences of others …and of history.

    A leader among leaders.


  36. Hal Austin July 30, 2017 at 7:38 AM #

    “Most of the people in this forum are elderly, many of them pensioners. How do you explain that anger, bitterness, envy, viciousness, incivility, foul-mouthed comments?”

    @ Hal Austin

    Yes, behavioral patterns vary among individual contributors to BU.

    However, on occasion you behave similarly and, more often than not, you treat other contributors with arrogant contempt.

    Being upset, they would obviously respond accordingly.

    Perhaps you may want to give us the reasons for YOUR behaviour.

    At the end of the day, all contributors to this forum……… whether they be young, elderly or pensioners, should endeavour to set positive examples for the youngsters to “emulate.”


  37. Artax
    Bushie knew Hal from school…
    His attitude and behaviour has not matured….
    It is just what it is.

    …besides, Bushie is not ‘angry, bitter or vicious’….
    Cuh shiite man!!! the stinking bushman has a WHACKER….
    what does Hal want? …his nose wiped?

    If he cant stand the heat he should move his donkey out of the kitchen
    …or at least keep his head down below the whacker cutting level…..

    BBBBB!!


  38. Artax: “What else do we expect in a society where many of the younger citizens seem to be angry with themselves, other people and at the world?”
    Most of the people in this forum are elderly, many of them pensioners. How do you explain that anger, bitterness, envy, viciousness, incivility, foul-mouthed comments?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The brainwashing started in the Independence era.

    The behavior of many on this forum fits right in with the timing.

    They are the right age.

    I reckon most of the peoples here are about my age or older, a few younger.

    A lot are bitter, envious and full of hate.

    I remember the constant message of division from the 60’s and have repeatedly described it here and on BFP.

    Many of that generation passed on their bitterness and hatred to their children.

    People of my generation broke the chain that ensured the old cherished Barbadian values passed on to the next generation.

    You could say it was the 60’s that caused the worldwide change but really and truly it is individuals and their message of hatred that promoted the change.

    Now they are gone and their issue are with us!!

    … but the youngsters are not all bad, just in a hurry to get God knows where!!

    Few people nowadays sit and think … and read!!


  39. well is this anger being pointed at the RBPF any worse than the anger Herbert had indicated towards the country , One or more of the same coming from self serving people who wants to dictate the country course
    One man makes threats for social unrest and another group or entity makes threats to destroy the military force of barbados
    Put two and two together all happening in the same week
    Boys on the Block cannot provide the kind of weapons that can go up against the military Force of this island bearing in mind that when one force is attack all levels of the country military might becomes engaged
    Really boys on the block . No Fools look a little further and harder


  40. To the credit of the Nation newspaper its editor has listed 15 shooting incidents that occurred between May 1 to July 30 to emphasize the gravity of the level of criminality we are battling in Barbados. Some will keep their heads firmly in the sand- especially the yardfowls- but there is a reality that is playing out we cannot avoid. Gun crime is on the increase. There is a Barbados that we are unaccustomed and we seem powerless to stem it, all stakeholders.


  41. https://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com/2008/06/22/cover-up-royal-barbados-police-force-ignores-violent-threats-to-businessman/

    John
    June 24, 2008 at 2:31 pm
    Anonymous
    Here is an extract from a debate in the House of Assembly (1975) related to ITAL:
    “Can you countenance anybody asking A.S. Bryden – he held office in the vestry – or who was so mad as to write in the newspaper asking him to declare his assets?
    THEY have lost political power now and THEY are asking every BLACK man who is holding office, so long as he can change a car three times a year, walk about looking clean and carrying a cheque book to declare his assets” said (Patsy) Springer.”
    Here was a sitting member of Parliament, (DLP) using race to justify why there should be no Integrity Legislation, a rather topical area of conversation of today!!
    Wonder if this is the hold up now!! … same party wouldn’t you know!!
    (Extracted from an article by Sanka Price entitled “All Talk on Integrity Law” – Heated House Debates over 35 years)
    … and then there is the “white shadows” speech, used in the 1981(?) election process by the Honorable “Don” Blackman who switched sides at will, …. and the “redressing past imbalances” reasoning in the award of the Highway 2A Contract that ended our country Barbados in the Privy Council and cost it a million dollars, ….. at least.
    He put The Honorable Clyde Mascoll to shame when it came to switching sides.
    Guess that’s what you do when you earn the right to carry the title “The Honorable” before your name.
    We can guage which of these two was the more “Honorable”.
    … and wasn’t it Sir COW who took our country, or was it the GOB, to the PC?!!
    All hail Sir COW!!

    John
    June 24, 2008 at 3:00 pm
    Anonymous
    If you want the actual date of the House of Assembly debate it was 2nd December 1975.
    You can go and check Hansard and see the rest.
    Maybe you will find I have completely misinterpreted the use of Race to avoid Integrity Legislation ……. or maybe you will be able to explain to us why for the past 37 years our Politicians have been avoiding it.
    If Race was the reason given in 1975 for not having ITAL, what is the new reason the House of Assembly has come up with …. or is the same old one?

    BFP says,
    When then Tourism Minister Noel Lynch was asked about his “instant millionaire” status by David Ellis, he gave his famous “little black boy” speech and used race as a shield to explain why he didn’t have to answer questions about his new-found wealth.
    The issue is still alive and kicking!

    John
    June 24, 2008 at 3:27 pm
    … its more about corruption than race. Race is just used to offset the uninitiated.


  42. Margaret Thatcher (someone I greatly admire) once said “They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there’s no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours.”

    Jose Mujica (whom I also greatly admire) countered; “We can’t live alone. For our lives to be possible, we depend on society. It’s one thing to overturn a government or block the streets. But it’s a different matter altogether to create and build a better society, one that needs organization, discipline, and long-term work. Let’s not confuse the two of them. I want to make it clear: I feel sympathetic with that youthful energy, but I think it’s not going anywhere if it doesn’t become more mature.”

    Maybe each of us need to resolve this dialectic.


  43. You can’t have leaders running around spouting this kind of hate speech and not expect what has followed!!


  44. @ John

    Point of correction……. the comment/question re: ““Most of the people in this forum are elderly, many of them pensioners. How do you explain that anger, bitterness, envy, viciousness, incivility, foul-mouthed comments?”

    …………. were presented by Hal Austin July 30, 2017 at 7:38 AM # ………….. not me…… all responses should be directed to him.


  45. I’m a little slow, but how could the actions of an individual wanting to dialogue with the administration they also elected to form the government, be interpreted by any sensible individual as venting anger towards or attacking the country?

    Pure political rhetoric!!!

    This inept DLP administration and its supporters seem to be of the belief that Barbados belongs to the DLP and the DLP has a supreme right to be in charge of the island’s affairs for ever.

    This is evidenced by the fact that any individual, special interest group, organization, business, etc who are critical of their (DLP) policies, the members and supporters are quick label them as being unpatriotic, attacking Barbados, enemies of the state and wanting to see the island fall.

    The DLP actions give rise to a new term re: “Democratic Communism.” In other words, Barbadians should vote DLP forever, but keep quiet, lest you are labeled “enemies of the state.”

    It is for the above and other reasons why I would love to see the back of this inept DLP administration after the 2018 general elections.


  46. @Artax, indeed a well crafted tale….so I go to your coda: “We are utilizing the skills of Yolande Forde and Cheryl Willoughby to compile “impressive” crime statistics, while the root causes of this anger, which eventually graduates into committing heinous crimes, remains unaddressed.”

    Immediately I read your piece all sorts of responses came alive…and then I read other posts and bang…they said it all.

    First, @Hal hit a bull-eyes with: “Most of the people in this forum are elderly, many of them pensioners. How do you explain that anger, bitterness, envy, viciousness, incivility, foul-mouthed comments?”

    How indeed do we critique that cashier or those inhospitable passengers for their lack of manners as a generational thing but see the poisonous displays here daily of this older group! How do we.

    And the posts continued with Bushie…. coring that first bulls eye right down the middle.

    His was the case where the ‘ill-manners’ are validated with the a more ‘philosophical , disciplined’ verbiage, like ” … Bushie is not ‘angry, bitter or vicious’….Cuh shiite man!!! the stinking bushman has a WHACKER….”

    Most often the Bushman is so christian minded, intellectual and philosophical in his verbiage that it is impossible to see any similar displeasure of those about whom you spoke…

    Philosophical different…but for all practical purposes the same.

    And then there was John…

    He would have us believe that a civilization founded on the divisive and deep anger which thoughts of slavery engender has its roots of discord and discontent simply in the politics of the 60s and beyond. SMH… I can say no more to that. Alas!

    Your comments do strike to the core…what is wrong…what must we do to change!

    In very simplistic ways, go the extra mile when service is welcoming. Commend those who smile and respond with good service at the supermarket or in other public places…Tell them directly how impressed we are. Send in favorable comments to their corporate dbase if such is activated. I do and I will leave tips or NOT depending on behaviors. Simple but meaningful to that cashier or attendant.

    Just as here I call out ridiculous behavior and stupid broadsides. We can’t change the whole world just the few we contact..try that is!


  47. Parliamentarian’s behavior is reflective of the entire society.

    Ronald Jones, Freundel Stuart, Dr. David Estwick, Denis Kellman, Maxine McClean, Michael Lashley, Christopher Sinckler, George Pilgrim, Bobby Morris, Denis Lowe, Richard Sealy and other members of the DLP have some very serious anger management issues.

    Similarly to how gang members close rants to protect their own from prosecution, politicians protect each other as well.

    Ronald Jones was “blocking and blister blinding” teachers since he became MoE. Perhaps this was done to indicate to the “anti teachers” of the electorate he was on their side. Jones should realize teachers vote as well.

    Christopher Sinckler has been on record for the past 8 years or so asking people to “bring solutions.” When they do, he either uses the protection afforded to him by parliament to verbally abuse them (ask Marla Dukharan or Jeremy Stephen) or he does so during constituency branch meetings or on campaign platforms.

    Sinckler does not behave like a man. His behaviour is similar to that of those blockers in eras gone by who, during a dispute with their neighbors, would come out, hold up her dress exposing the undergarments (if any) and breasts, while “washing their adversaries in cuss and insults.”

    Dr. David Estwick allegedly pulled a gun on Dale Marshall…… and of all places, the incident allegedly took place in Parliament. What then are the differences between Estwick and those guys who were allegedly pull their guns on foes? Estwick’s firearm is probably legal (?).

    Kellman is angry because he does not know actual extent of his stupidity as a politician.

    Freundel Stuart is an angry, lonely old man, who uses “high language” and pejorative statements to insult fellow Barbadians………….. the same Barbadians he is prepared to use ordinary language to solicit their votes.

    Denis Lowe seems to be angry that no one notices him. Perhaps that’s the reason why he always alludes to going from growing up poor, “running ‘bout bare foot,” and in “patchy pants” to becoming a minister of government. He’s not only angry, but insecure as well.


  48. Artax July 30, 2017 at 11:22 AM

    Thanks, Artax!
    Brilliantly put.

    Now that should put the likes of the Slavery apologist Apostle John and Hal Autistic to bed for a while.

    The old disgruntled bitter curmudgeons who are mostly failures merely living off pensions and taking out their lifelong frustrations on BU are NOT the leaders of Barbados or even role models to the young who are equally as angry and bitter with the hypocrisy and lies exhibited by those morally and Constitutionally entrusted with the responsibility of setting examples for the moral, social and economic upliftment of the country.


  49. Bushie,
    You claim again you knew me from school. Were you in the dunces class, since you cannot spell your name and I did not go to school?


  50. @ Artax July 30, 2017 at 11:22 AM

    Oh, this senile idiot- challenged with long-term amnesia called Alzheimer’s- purposely forgot to tell you that you also forgot to mention the Carry-away-a-ton speaker who found it morally convenient to forget to pay over funds from the settlement of an estate belonging to a senile wheel-chair bound pensioner (one of us).


  51. Apart from Yolande Forde’s estimate of Bds$55000 per year per prisoner, are there any official figures for the cost of keeping people in prison?


  52. Hal,may have a point.

    …he is not an operative.

    …he and John have views that diverge from the common mantra.

    We have to on this forum, mainly frequented by retirees, allow all views to contend, once presented in a respectfull manner.


  53. @ Hal
    Bushie,….You claim again you knew me from school. Were you in the dunces class….?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Actually …. yes!
    Bushie had not yet been issued the whacker back then…. 🙂
    LOL …had it not been for the whacker Bushie’s donkey would still be in that class yuh…!!!


  54. Hal is speaking of himself…cud dear……

    John is just foolish.

    That Jamaican rum cream works well…lol


  55. “Went in Chefette Lower Broad Street to purchase ice cream. The cashier was polite, but the similar could be descriptive of the servers. They seemed to be angry with themselves and more so, customers. A lady asked one for a cup of water, while telling her the rotis were a bit too salty.

    Rather than responding to the criticism by saying, for example, “Sorry madam, I’ll inform management,” even if she did not have any intensions of doing so…………… she responded loudly, “I doan mek dum!!!” The expression of anger manifested itself in her face.”

    Chefette, like Kentucky and all those other fast food dumps pay slave wages, so there is no reason for their staff to be anything but unpleasant and surly, that is what happens when you are allowed by both governments to be a slave master for the last 40 years….

    besides, their rotis are not only extremely salty and unhealthy, but their overly salty beef rotis have a horrible reaction on some people’s stomachs.

    And bajans still eat that garbage.


  56. “We are utilizing the skills of Yolande Forde and Cheryl Willoughby to compile “impressive” crime statistics, while the root causes of this anger, which eventually graduates into committing heinous crimes, remains unaddressed.”

    Dont know the other female…but judging from Yolande Forde’s utterances, these text book taught people who do not have the hands on experience one can garner from working within the crime ridden streets and depressed neighborhoods the US, which is outside of the university environs….do not address the root causes of the problems.

    They just skim the surface and apply book logic that someone else writes, which more often than not, do not apply to current generations and the reasons for their anger.


  57. Bajans were taught good manners. Yes sir, no sir, anything you say sir.

    We were taught from primary school to speak only when spoken to.

    We were taught to be good “Christians” , to be nice and forgiving.

    …….. but we forgot to train our children to be pathetic docile servants.

    doan have to readan spell fuh wunna!


  58. @ Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger July 30, 2017 at 1:32 PM
    “Chefette, like Kentucky and all those other fast food dumps pay slave wages, so there is no reason for their staff to be anything but unpleasant and surly, that is what happens when you are allowed by both governments to be a slave master for the last 40 years….
    besides, their rotis are not only extremely salty and unhealthy, but their overly salty beef rotis have a horrible reaction on some people’s stomachs.
    And bajans still eat that garbage.”

    That is one kind of business where Grenville Phillips 10 % tax on all sales should even be raised to 25% without fear of any fall off in projected tax takings due to the inelasticity of demand for junk food in Barbados.


  59. @ Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger July 30, 2017 at 1:39 PM #
    “We are utilizing the skills of Yolande Forde and Cheryl Willoughby to compile “impressive” crime statistics, while the root causes of this anger, which eventually graduates into committing heinous crimes, remains unaddressed.”
    Dont know the other female…but judging from Yolande Forde’s utterances, these text book taught people who do not have the hands on experience one can garner from working within the crime ridden streets and depressed neighborhoods the US, which is outside of the university environs….do not address the root causes of the problems.”

    People- both young and old- have always been angry, bitter and unhappy with their lot in life.

    What about revolutions like the French, Russian, American and more recently Cuban?

    Why were there rebellions during slavery and the 1937 riots?

    What about the marches and riots in America during the civil rights movement?

    Prisons have always been around. It’s an industry that employs many people including lawyers and judges.


  60. I find it difficult to understand how an albino centric bajan can expect respect from a black bajan when the albino think and behave like it is a superior and the black is an inferior,that it doesn’t think like a friend but like a foe,that it’s private parties are strictly for albinos.that they can’t have black consorting with albino etc etc etc.What the eff yuh expect John.Youthink black man of toady is one of 1930?Wake up man.You respect me I respect you.You eff with me I will eff not only you but all o wunna that think like you.


  61. de pedantic Dribbler July 30, 2017 at 11:08 AM #

    He would have us believe that a civilization founded on the divisive and deep anger which thoughts of slavery engender has its roots of discord and discontent simply in the politics of the 60s and beyond. SMH… I can say no more to that. Alas!
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    As a new arrival to Bim and a teenager of the sixties,the era of the hippies,flower power,Afro and black power…..I will say that John is correct.

    I recall EWB passing some act preventing Stokely Carmichael and other black activists from entering Bim and him having Elton Mottley monitored for spreading divisiveness.

    The Bim that I knew was one of a new young aspiring middle class,whose parents were maids,butlers,chauffeurs,gardners,labourers who had through thrift owned property and sent their children to Harsuns,Cawmere,Lodge,Foundation,CP and Alleyne or Modern,Rudder and Washington.

    These Children bought homes in the Pine,Grazettes,etc,owned cars and had maids and gardners……..this was the middle class I met in Bim in the early sixties…. they were one step removed from their parents’ poor origins.


  62. The PM of AntiguaBarbuda is planning to introduce legislation the Tax Administartion Procedure Act to make it a criminal offence for hoteliers who fail to pay their share of taxes.This in response to the issue surrounding the 5 month closure of Sandals Grande Hotel.It is felt that Sandals is responding to an issue in which they were accused of with holding a percentage of tax due to the government. PM Brown is promising the Act will make it a criminal offence with prison time even for the principal owners of the hotels.

    https://antiguaobserver.com/new-act-imposes-stringent-measures-on-hotels/


  63. “Gabriel July 30, 2017 at 4:07 PM #
    I find it difficult to understand how an albino centric bajan can expect respect from a black bajan when the albino think and behave like it is a superior and the black is an inferior,that it doesn’t think like a friend but like a foe,that it’s private parties are strictly for albinos.that they can’t have black consorting with albino etc etc etc.What the eff yuh expect John.Youthink black man of toady is one of 1930?Wake up man.You respect me I respect you.You eff with me I will eff not only you but all o wunna that think like you.”

    Well said Gabriel…..the Johns of Barbados want to continue the same nasty attitudes and practices against the majority population over 50 years later, a majority population who outnumber them by over quarter million people and still expect that majority population to appreciate being disrespected and mistreated by less than 8,000 minorities who are dependent on that majority population for their very survival, or the minorities will either ALL die of starvation or will have to run from Barbados to survive..

    OH HELL NO.


  64. “Chefette, like Kentucky and all those other fast food dumps pay slave wages, so there is no reason for their staff to be anything but unpleasant and surly, that is what happens when you are allowed by both governments to be a slave master for the last 40 years….”

    “besides, their rotis are not only extremely salty and unhealthy, but their overly salty beef rotis have a horrible reaction on some people’s stomachs.”

    You have this uncanny knack for trying to comment on every issue even when there isn’t anything to comment on.

    What do salty rotis, slave wages or government have to do with employees being unmannerly and providing poor customer service?

    Barbados has a minimum wage law.

    You are essentially implying that because “Joan” works for minimum wages, it gives her the right to be impolite to customers who are spending their money that will ultimately pay her wages. It comes to a point that customers complain about her attitude, her services are eventually terminated and she is now even more angry than before.

    It is not the job that makes a person impolite, such behaviour comes from within that individual. Give that same person a job paying $1,000 per week and they will find something to be disgruntled about.

    There are cashiers and other individuals who work in POPULAR DISCOUNTS SUPERMARKETS for, according to you, similar “slave wages”…………. and they are MUCH MORE POLITE and CUSTOMER FRIENDLY than people working for “big money” or those people who can be found working in the commercial banks, insurance companies or at Licensing Authority, BWA, NHC, NPC, NCC or any other government department.

    And you could do as I do…………….. don’t buy greasy, salty foods from Chefette, KFC or any other fast food outlet.


  65. “It comes to a point that customers complain about her attitude, her services are eventually terminated and she is now even more angry than before.”

    And as long as Joan is being paid $6.25 cents an hour Barbados money US $3.12, that will be her attitude, and the next Joan, and the next John, Mary, Philip and Peter. …

    ..while 20 more Chefette restaurants are allowed by government to be built on the island…..paying the same slave wages.

    All these fast food dumps have an extremely high employee turn over, you may want to take a breath from your rant to ask yaself why….

    …I did not bother read past that sentence about Joan…ya started to border on the downright misinformed about why the island is so stagnant and lack progress.

    Other people being paid slave wages that cannot feed them or their families might appeal to you Art, it dont appeal to me or really intelligent and enlightened people.

    Now where is the sign on BU from the blogmaster telling us we cant comment on every topic.

    If it bothers you, why dont you put up such a sign.


  66. @ WW&C

    I don’t want to engage in any “HAVING OUT” with you (that’s your style), but “Really intelligent and enlightened people” DO NOT behave like you.

    However, I will let your other comment go “over my head” and not engage you any further.


  67. Ya cant engage further because you swam into dangerous currents….all by yourself. .

    The issues are crime and violence on the island.

    The causes are not enough employers, employees, jobs and oppotunities from the school leaver to the pre retiree….for the last 40 years.

    Not a wide enough tax net and collection….due to..

    Not a higher tax bracket and higher salaries….for the last 4 decades.

    And there you are trying to defend slave wages, one of the direct causes of lack of progress.

    I am not the one who drowned myself.

    Et un bon jour pour toi aussi


  68. Where in any of my comments I attempted to defend “slave wages?”

    I was reading VOB’s chat this morning and found the following comments very interesting. I believe you may find them interesting as well:

    “RobertGoren: @Bajan1948NY : I was reading BU this morning, of the 300 contributions, 200 belong to WWC”

    “Bajan1948NY: …..I image her to be a miserable old soul who can’t sleep at night – lol”

    “GullyBoar: i skim BU from time to time .. just seems an impulsive woman….. does ketch on pon tings that could just leave alone..”

    I did not bother to present what others wrote, but you have a following in the chat that believe you are filled with hate.

    As previously mentioned, I don’t want to engage in any “HAVING OUT” with you, but “Really intelligent and enlightened people” DO NOT behave like you.


  69. Art….you dont even know you were defending slave wages, people cannpt smile and be pleasant when they are being treated as slaves, disrespected, not treated as though they are entitled to a liveable wage….

    Has it entered your highly intelligent mind….that is the reason for escalating crimes, robbery etc…at least a catalyst. .

    And what are those comments about me that you obviously go searching for are supposed to do…

    I dont get it……neither will I change to appease fools.

    Obviously others have more time on their hands to think of and comment about me, than I have for them…

    That makes me the centre of their lives….so continue looking for those comments…because I sure wont….lol


  70. Artax

    “Really intelligent and enlightened people” DO NOT behave like you.

    Hahaha…..took a long time for you arrive at that conclusion……a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing in some people.

    Slave wages is conundrum…..I thought a slave does not earn wages or anything else…..my thinking must be flawed.


  71. Please do not make this about me………

    As previously mentioned, I don’t want to engage in any “HAVING OUT” with you, but “Really intelligent and enlightened people” DO NOT behave like you.

    To believe that because a person works for a minimum wage gives them the right to be impolite is stupid thinking.

    You would likewise conclude that an individual earning $1,000 per week gives them the right to treat minimum wage earners with arrogant contempt.


    • Agree with this comment 100%. Some of us define good human qualities as defined only by economic consideration. This is not the case and many of us were raised in poor economic circumstances but we had drilled into us that manners maketh man. This is a basic bahaviour, no compromise.


  72. Said by an enabler of the slave trade….

    How about your grandchildren receiving $3.12 an hour eight hours a day in wages fir 15 years..

    Just to make this clear for Art..

    Obviously others have more time on their hands to think of and comment about me, than I have to think of them…when I do not even know OR care that they exist.

    That makes me the centre of their lives….so continue looking for those comments…because I sure wont…but I am sure your time will be better spent, making sure your future children and grandchildren do not become embroiled in violence because of slave wages.

    I am not the issue…it in no way affects me.

    And I really should not care, but, some of us are human.


  73. Your argument makes no sense Art…think critically…you are saying these hirribky paid employees should be pleasant even though they are not receiving enough of a salary to pay a bill.

    The same way slaves were expected to be brutalized and still smile…what is wrong with you people.

    Were those low salaries fast food dumps pay negotiated by the UNIONS…are the employees unionized or did government chuck together the lowest wage possible in collusion with fast food employers and think that these greedy employers did them a favor.

    Let me tell you what some relatives of mine found out recently. ..they spent two weeks at the Crane, very nice hotel, just recently Crane boasted about 13 million in profits I believe, days later it was alledged that they do not pay their staff on time…..

    ….some other relatives of mine who were planning a vacation at Crane saw online where their internet got problems, their elevator to the beach got problems and the guests reported they cant find employees to answer their questions…….and are rethinking that vacation…..it is a reflection on how their employees are treated, I myself are waiting to hear how things go before doing a vaca there..

    So all you slave minded or plantation massa wannabes who would enable slave salaries, or no salaries….will have to account for ya wicked ways…ya cant do that to me or mine without consequences, as it stands, we are far removed from your slave society.


  74. Young men have always been violent with each other. Haven’t we been told by the Bible that Cain killed Abel?

    So Adam and Eve raised killers too.

    If you believe in the Bible and the Adam and Eve, and Cain and Abel thing, then parents have always been raising killers, even when there was no social media, no guns, no Babylon/police, no Americans, no Western world, no Christianity, no Islam, no Rastafarianism, in fact no religion at all.

    Maybe violence/killing is in the DNA of all of us.

    The question remains, how to get it out of all of us.

    But I have no answers.

    Only questions.


  75. Simple Simon July 31, 2017 at 3:37 PM #

    Well said……especially the DNA part…….just read the history of our pirate past…….no jury or lotta long talk….a couple warnings,then summary execution…..the law of the jungle


  76. A LOCAL HISTORIAN IS SUGGESTING THERE’S AN UNDERWORLD IN OPERATION IN BARBADOS.

    However, Trevor Marshall says it’s unlike those in other jurisdictions.

    Mr. Marshall was a guest on the radio programme, Walter Point Two on Q100.7 FM.

    He is of the view engagement with young Barbadians is essential to deal with crime and violence.

    https://www.facebook.com/CBCNews.bb/videos/1961929877421046/


  77. David July 31, 2017 at 2:24 PM #

    “Agree with this comment 100%. Some of us define good human qualities as defined only by economic consideration. This is not the case and many of us were raised in poor economic circumstances but we had drilled into us that manners maketh man. This is a basic bahaviour, no compromise.”

    @ David

    Do you mind mentioning what comment you agree with 100%?

    I agree that many of “us were raised in poor economic circumstances but we had drilled into us that manners maketh man.”

    But because many of us grew up poor, does this give us the right to steal from those who believe are better off than us?

    Because another guy’s parents gives him $20, does this gives me the right to me rude to him and steal his money because my parents could only afford to give me $2?

    Or because I grew up in “poor economic circumstances” I have a right to be angry with the world?

    I can’t understand that type of stupid thinking and such attitudes are responsible for people robbing, mugging and burglarizing other people’s homes.


  78. @ Artax
    Boss, what are you getting all worked up about this?
    They are not saying that someone has the right to be unmannerly because they are poor or poorly paid….. they are saying that such persons may be understandably upset at the blatant unfairness of the situation as they see it…. and that this may show in their attitudes.

    Wuh cuh shiite boss, Froon gotta big job, a big ride, live in a big house …and does ‘eat big foods’ … and YET his face always set-up like he smelling shiite…

    Give the Cheffette people a break nuh!!
    Bushie does not suffer from their unmannerliness …cause Bushie do not eat shiite…
    But Froon ALWAY on TV..
    ..always in the paper..
    or David always got he on BU – with he face push-up….

    We should really reduce his pay to Cheffette pay..


  79. @ Bushie

    I’M NOT THE PERSON WHO INTRODUCED CHEFETTE’S WAGES INTO THE ARGUMENT.

    But to “amenden al the jape,” if you apply to Chefette for a job, obviously HR would not let you commence employment without first discussing the wages and terms and conditions of employment.

    The decision would be yours to accept the job or not.

    Having availed yourself of the relevant information, why would you accept the job and then “guh ‘bout the people place wid a scew face?”

    Okay, you accept the job because circumstances does not allow you to do better. So because the wages, in your opinion are poor, you decide to “stand dread” with everyone including the man on the “Cream of Wheat” box.

    IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME……… but then again, according to you and others, I’m an idiot who does not know what he’s doing.


  80. Talking about unhealthy food establishments. Check out the great UK brother from Birmingham, Macka B.


  81. @ Artax
    The decision would be yours to accept the job or not
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    OK …. so now explain how Froon was able to-
    ….accept the job he KNEW he could not do..
    ….fight off the Eager 11
    ….give himself a 10% salary hike
    ….buy himself a new ride to rival Bushie’s
    ….Sleep on the job
    ….lie about CAHILL
    ….trick the NCC workers with the ERT and his bent friend Hal…
    …sleep some more on the job…

    …..and his face STILL always screw?

    Wuhloss!!!
    Murda…

    Unless he just naturally look so….


  82. @ Bushie

    You’re asking me to EXPLAIN anything ‘bout Froon?

    As far as I’m concerned, Freundel Stuart is an “enigmatic anomaly”………


  83. @ Hants
    Trust you to see that….

    Are you asking on behalf of Carl Moore of Hal?
    Do you need the registration details too?

    Suffice it to say that the whacker fits comfortably….


  84. @Simple Simon July 31, 2017 at 3:37 PM “Maybe violence/killing is in the DNA of all of us.
    The question remains, how to get it out of all of us.”

    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/07/31/ceremonies-mark-100-years-since-passchendaele.html
    “…the centenary of the assault known as Passchendaele. More than 500,000 Allied and German young men were killed or wounded in the Third Battle of Ypres, an assault that has come to be synonymous with the futility of war. The Allied campaign, fought by British and Commonwealth forces in the 3 months from July to November 1917 in the mud-slicked battlefields of Flanders…”

    The demon violence is in the white people too.


  85. Bajans need to get up and cook, will live a more healthy lifestyle, cheffette food is greasy salty and expensive I eat from chefette no more than 5 times in a calendar year whites bajan rarely support chefette black bajans please stop giving your hard earn cash to these super riches companys please wake up and teach your children to sit at a table with a knife and fork

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