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BU shares the Jeff Cumberbatch Barbados Advocate column โ€“ Senior Lecturer in law at the University of the West Indies since 1983, a Columnist with the Barbados Advocate

A nation under law – [โ€ฆ]โ€“ Part 2
9/13/2015
By Jeff Cumberbatch

As the Kim Davis matter that I commented on in this space last meanders along in the US, there has arisen a novel constitutional theory in her favour, emanating mostly from untutored Republican presidential hopefuls, that the US Supreme Court is not the final arbiter of the interpretation of the Constitution and that the individual states, and perhaps even dissenting individuals, may decide rather to abide by a ruling that comports with their view of what the Constitution should intend.

Of course, one would have thought that this matter was settled since early in the nineteenth century when it was stated in a seminal decision and not questioned subsequentlyโ€“ โ€œIt is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial branch to say what the law is. Those who apply the rule to particular causes must, of necessity, expound and interpret that rule. If two laws conflict with each other, the Courts must decide on the operation of eachโ€ฆSo if a law be in opposition to the Constitution, if both the law and the Constitution apply to a particular case, so that the Court must either decide that case conformably to the law, disregarding the Constitution or conformably to the Constitution, disregarding the law, the Court must determine which of these conflicting rules governs the case. This is of the very essence of judicial duty. If then, the Courts are to regard the Constitution, and the Constitution is superior to any act of the legislature, the Constitution, and not such ordinary act, must govern the case to which they both applyโ€ฆโ€

And as if to lend further support to their proposition, many of Mrs Davisโ€™s supporters seek to rely on the old chestnut that the Supreme Court is not supposed to make law, as they argue that it did in the recent decision now under query, but merely to state what the law is. The conundrum here is that the law can only be what it is stated to be by the body charged with the exclusive jurisdiction to do โ€“ the Court. Since the constitutional framer of the law, the legislature, is not empowered to state what a provision means except by the use of the clear words it might employ in enacting the statute, it seems certain that this argument is using the expression โ€œmake lawโ€ in an unnatural and tendentious sense.

Of equal certainty is that the thinly-veiled thesis behind this new view is the theocratic sentiment that any law that is in agreement with Biblical injunction is undeniably superior to and overrides any man-made law; a view, though it might find favour with more than a few Barbadians, and while perhaps sound in theory, finds no application in practical reality, as I sought to show last week in my brief exposition of local laws that both coincide and conflict with this opinion. The inevitable consequence of this formulation ought to be that any identity of local legislation with Biblical injunction is owed rather to coincidence than parliamentary design.

A similar jurisprudential issue now arises in Barbados with the insistence of the Ministry of Labour that even with legislation in place to deal with labour issues, the Protocol signed by the constituents of the Social Partnership still has a role to play. Baldly so stated, of course, there is nothing immediately inaccurate about this.

However, it would appear that the policy may go beyond the mere assertion to contemplate a circumstance where, even if there should be an identity between the two or, even more intriguing, a conflict between them, the Protocol might still take precedence.

What else am I to make of the recent assertion by the Minister with responsibility for labour issues that โ€œwe operate under a different system in Barbados. It is not like in some other countries where employers come and they just look at the statute books; we remind our employers that it is not just our statute books, we have a protocol, a Social Partnership, and that guides the spirit of our relationshipโ€?

If the Minister is simply making a point of statutory interpretation โ€“ that the provisions of any relevant local legislation should be interpreted, in a manner that lawyers are given to call, โ€œde bene esseโ€, so as to have its provisions construed consistent with the intendment of the Protocol, the statement is irrefutable.

If, however, as I suspect, the statement purports a subordination of that legislation to the Protocol as a matter of law, then I cannot agree with it. And my disquiet is not owed solely to the validity of its operation in a context where there is a patent conflict between the two provisions in question, but even in one where there the provisions are identical.

The reality is that the Protocol has the status at law merely of a gentlemenโ€™s agreement or one binding in honour only on those who are parties to it. In such a case, there are no legal sanctions that may be applied to any breach of one or more of its undertakings, although it would be expected that moral suasion should suffice to remedy any contravention.

A statute, on the other hand, is legally and morally binding, notorious, and universal in its application. To a society that claims adherence to the rule of law, the statute is an embodiment of good governance, and a representation, at least in theory, of the popular will. To subsume such an instrument under a gentlemenโ€™s agreement would be to elevate the shadow of the thing above its substance.

Clearly, outside of the arguable jurisprudential illegitimacy of the official stance, there is much to be said for the process of mutually respectful social dialogue between industrial partners in the resolution of disputes, and few would deny the global application of this principle in that regard.

To the extent that statute incorporates this ideal, there is little need to refer for authority to the provisions of the Protocol that also do so. To the extent that it does not do so, however, then the legislation must abide the categorisation of being deficient and unsuited to the purpose of modern day industrial relations and should be immediately repealed and re-enacted in compliant form.

There should be, in my view, no need to create a hierarchy of protocol and statutory provisions in order to make this widely accepted point.


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91 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – A Nation Under Law – Part 2”


  1. Jeff

    I found the column a bit to prolix just to point out that the Minister of Labour is a nitwit.


  2. Sorry, that shoyld be “too prolix”.


  3. Why Is Scripture the Ultimate Standard for Morality and Ethics?

    Biblical Authority Devotional: Morality and Ethics, Part 1

    by Erik Lutz on March 22, 2011

    Erik Lutz, AiGโ€“U.S., shows why only the Bible provides an absolute standard for morality.

    All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16โ€“17)
    Todayโ€™s big question: why is Scripture the ultimate standard for morality and ethics?

    According to Merriam-Websterโ€™s, ethics is โ€œthe discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation.โ€ In the upcoming devotionals, we will consider what Scripture states about various ethical issues.

    But why start with Scripture? Although humans are given an inherent sense of good and evil (Romans 1:32, 2:15), that cannot ultimately be our guide for ethics. Without an absolute standard, morality would be relative and dependent on each individual. But morality is not a human invention; it flows from the nature of God, who is eternal and unchanging. Therefore, as much as we may want to, we cannot determine what is right and wrong on our own. Our Creator, the Source of all truth, has revealed what we need to know of right and wrong in His Word.

    Many secularists and liberal scholars acknowledge that the Bible is full of excellent moral teaching, yet ultimately they reject the inspiration or inerrancy of Scripture. This is just another example of how people want to pick and choose what parts of Godโ€™s Word they think are true and apply that to their lives as they see fit.

    However, if Scripture were not โ€œGod-breathedโ€ truth and 100 percent reliable, how could we trust anything written in it? If any part of Scripture were false, then the whole would be suspectโ€”especially since the Bible claims to be truth without error!

    Jesus Christ, the Son of God, regarded Scripture as the ultimate standard. He claimed,

    โ€œYour word is truthโ€ (John 17:17) and โ€œthe Scripture cannot be brokenโ€ (John 10:35).

    Todayโ€™s passage shows us all Scripture is truth from God and therefore must be our foundation in every area, โ€œthat the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.โ€ The Bible is our basis for ethics.

    Psalm (119) is devoted to extolling the greatness of the Word of God and makes these claims of absolute, unchanging truth:

    The entirety of Your word is truth, and every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever. (Psalm 119: (160))

    My tongue shall speak of Your word, for all Your commandments are righteousness. (Psalm 119: (172))

    The writer of Psalm (119) explained how to live a moral life. He wrote, โ€œHow can a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed according to Your wordโ€ (Psalm 119:9).

    Have you been taking heed according to His Word lately, or are you relying on your own standard of โ€œtruthโ€?

    Todayโ€™s big idea: the Word of God is truthโ€”the only foundation for right and wrong.

    What to pray: ask God to cleanse your heart according to His Word.

    www/answersingenesis.org


  4. Laws of God vs. the Laws of Man
    Compiled by Steven Montgomery
    October 12, 2002

    “The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted. Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it …. A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one. An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law. Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it is superseded thereby. No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.
    — (American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Volume 16, Section 177)

    The idea persisted for centuries that the end of the state is the attainment of justice and that civil authorities act legitimately only when they follow the principles of justice.

    —-[Otto Gierke, Political Theories of the Middle Ages, trans. by F. W. Maitland (Cambridge, 1922), pp. 74ff.; cf. p. 172 for note by Maitland on the theories of natural law in the Middle Ages. “Men supposed,” says Gierke, “that before the State existed the Lex Naturalis already prevailed as an obligatory statute and that immediately or mediately from this flowed those rules of right to which the State owed even the possibility of its own rightful origin.

    And men also taught that the highest power on earth was subject to the rules of Natural Law. They stood above the Pope and above the Kaiser, above the Ruler and above the Sovereign People, nay, above the whole Community of Mortals.

    Neither statute nor act of government, neither resolution of the People nor custom could break the bounds that thus were set. Whatever contradicted the eternal and immutable principles of Natural Law was utterly void and would bind no one. The medieval theory declared ‘that every act of the Sovereign which broke the bonds drawn by Natural Law was formally null and void.’ … As null and void, therefore, every judge and every other magistrate who had to apply the law was to treat, not only every unlawful executive act, but every unlawful statute, even though it were published by the Pope or Emperor.” Ibid., pp. 75, 84. Cf. also, Carlyle, op. cit., I, 174; III, 32, 128; and Gierke, Johannes Althusius und die Entwickelung der naturrechtlichen Staats-theorien, 3d ed. (Breslau, 1913), chap. 6.]

    Life, faculties, productionโ€”in other words, individuality, liberty, propertyโ€”this is man. And in spite of the cunning of artful political leaders, these three gifts from God precede all human legislation, and are superior to it. Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.
    –(Frederick Bastiat, The Law, pp. 5-6)

    “Unconstitutionality is illegality of the highest order.” –(Board of Zoning Appeals V. Decatur Company of Jehovah’s Witnesses, 233 Ind. 83, 117 NE 2nd. 115)

    “An unconstitutional statute is an utter nullity, is void from the date of its enactment, and is incapable of creating any rights.” –(Probst V. Board of Education Lands and Funds, DC Neb 103 F) http://www.sites.google.com


  5. Even though I am bound by an humanistic code and a Constitutional right of all having the right to the pursuit of life and liberty.Indeed it is equally hard to throw out or dismiss with good conscience the Rights of Kim Davis to a religious right to freedom of expression .The Constitution in any regard can not be trampled or made mockery in order to satisfy or guarantee any individual or group a law to suffice
    Mrs. Davis also has a guaranteed right by which she abide and the only alternative for rectification should be done by state govt whose has a legal duty to enact legislation to modify and guarantee that no individual rights given by the Constitution is taking away due to Federal laws.


  6. Law of God , LAW OF MAN, law on the street, Kim Davis is the worker is right , KIM DAVIS the Elected is WRONG ,she need to step aside, PUBLIC SERVANT can not take her WORK Personal, She MUST follow the LAW or go right back to JAIL.


  7. @Caswell @9:58pm,

    That was not at all my intention. I was merely seeking to point out the illogic of claiming still to be guided by Protocol after a statute has been enacted and claiming adherence to the rule of LAW!

    I note with respect your use of the word “prolix”. Touche!


  8. It is inevitable, that “THE END-OF-CIVILIZATION QUESTION: Does embracing homosexuality really cause societies to FAIL? Absolutely yes!!!

    Every study conducted by Anthropologist, Historians, Economist, Sociologist, over the course of ancient civilizations, conclusively reveal that most societies throughout history, even the wealthiest and mightiest, have eventually collapsed and died, as a direct correlation to deviation FROM monogamous (man/woman) family unions, to Homosexual behavior, as a direct affront to God’s order for a sound, family oriented society.

    It is one thing for a society to privately, without legalized consent, to practice Homosexuality, BUT, it is an entirely different matter, when as American has recently done, by their highest Court, grant this abominable so-called ‘RIGHT’ to same-sex marriage; and to have the President, Barack Obama, light up the White House,
    with the colours of the Gay and Lesbian standard, and say, as Obama did, I’m paraphrasing him, “…that Justice has prevailed today, like a thunderbolt…” it is safe to say, that history has never produced anything like Obama.

    To openly as Obama did, in “GLORIFYING” same-sex marriage, as sanctioned by LAW, no words can adequately describe what this man has done in bringing Almighty God’s judgement UPON America sooner than most think!!! Watch out for it!!!


  9. Can you name any of these societies, Zoe? And does this mean that the ENTIRE society became homosexual, thereby ensuring the end of heterosexuality there? Or was it just a few individual men and women? Does the right to same-sex marriage compel anyone to engage in it?


  10. @ Zoe
    …all due respect to you and your biblical scholarship ….
    But your assertion of “Absolutely yes!!!” on the question “Does embracing homosexuality really cause societies to FAIL?” …is flawed…
    Homosexuality is not a CAUSE of anything outside of ‘funny’ men and women…
    Indeed, homosexuality is the RESULT of the same shiite that cause societies to fail.

    What happens is that there are certain systemic social failings that, based on high level SPIRITUAL laws, inevitably lead to societal failure. In the process, there are multiple MANIFESTATIONS of trouble….

    For example, in the physical equivalent situation, if we maintain a continuously DIRTY environment, the consequence will be long term chronic illness, diseases, ill-health, and societal decay.
    Unless the damn place is cleaned up, children develop all kinds of diseases and conditions (through NO fault of their own, but due to the DIRTINESS of their elders)
    If this is ignored, things get even worse….

    Same shiite here….

    When a society allows UNRIGHTEOUSNESS to become endemic….
    When a GOVERNMENT can be complicit in stealing CLICO money
    When a PRIME MINISTER can be diverting $3.3M cheques from policyholders…
    When another can COVER UP this nastiness…
    When a Speaker can rob a pensioner and still continue to speak…
    When a former PM can be shown to have taken BRIBES from a leading BANKER
    When a LOTO can be on the payroll of a Four Seasons SCAM against taxpayers
    When a StinkLiar can hand MILLIONS to Maloney/Bizzy/Butch while milking little black land-owners with shiite taxes…..

    What the hell do you expect BBE to do….?

    That is NUFF SHIITE!!!
    It is ongoing and getting worse….
    …and no one is doing ANY cleaning…
    Caswell say it too stink for him…
    Walter run from the smell
    Islandgal prefers BLP shiite to DLP shiite

    ….and Bushie only stirring the whole thing with his big-ass whacker….

    YOU GOTTA GET DISEASES SKIPPA…. Spiritual afflictions!!! ….like bullers, wickers, JAs in leadership, poverty – even among the educated, violence for no reason, fear and trembling in the land….
    …and if there is still no clean-up, the damn place will self-destruct….

    Don’t mislead the blog by blaming the homosexuals. They are (largely innocent) collateral damage CAUSED by the real problem….. BRASS BOWLERY!!!

    Romans 1:18 says it all in unquestionable simplicity…..no need for any exegesis…. ๐Ÿ™‚
    “…..For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions.
    For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
    and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another,
    …men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error….


  11. @Bush Tea

    Whether through inadvertence or, I daresay, ignorance, you have wrongly sourced the quotation in your last paragraph. It is in fact Romans 1:26 and not 1:18.

    And as a bad lawyer would, you are relying on a reference from the very source that is in issue to prove your point -a true case of “begging the question”.

    But, if indeed the real problem is brassbowlery as you say, then what is the cure? I ask since brassbowlery has been with us from time immemorial. Indeed, some would say that brassbowlery is inherent in man and there is none among us that is free! Romans 1:25 suggests that it might be that it might be because “we have exchanged the truth of God for a lie”. Is this the cure then? What is this truth? And Zoe, I do not need another prolix(!) copy-and-paste.


  12. @ Jeff
    LOL
    so you expected to stop reading at verse 18….?
    ..read ALL the rest of the chapter boss… um is too good to ignore…

    Bushie has no problem with being accused of ignorance cause he ain’t no damn lawyer; is not a product of Cave Hill; and in any case, has what is needed to wield a whacker….

    Also …and probably out of ignorance too, Bushie is NOT using Romans as any damn reference….else the bushman would have STARTED with the reference. That was for the benefit of Zoe and those others who are enlightened enough to appreciate the value of God’d word. For others, the point made above is built upon the KNOWN situation with ‘cleanliness’ in everyday life….and the CONSEQUENCES that LACK of cleanliness has for societal health and longevity….

    Then you proceed to ask “what is the cure?”
    shiite man!!…. Must Bushie repeat?….again ?

    CLEAN UP THE DAMN PLACE…..
    Stop the damn thieving…
    Enforce the damn laws…
    Get the ‘learned’ people that you have been producing to live honest lives..
    Do something about CLICO
    Apply the damn LAW to everyone…
    Deal with the lotta CROOKS, BRIBE-TAKERS, oppressors of the weak…

    Operate in a manner that can stand the test of TRANSPARENCY….

    Either show where the above items are flawed ‘cures’, or tell us how you will otherwise make a difference at the Fare Trading Commission…..


  13. Below are several quotes that flesh out Unwinโ€™s conclusions.

    โ€œIf the British anthropologist J. D. Unwin is correct in his assessment of society, this present generation in the Western world may be the last one. In his book, Sex and Culture, professor Unwin studied eighty โ€˜uncivilizedโ€™ cultures and compared his results with sixteen โ€˜civilizedโ€™ cultures extending over the last 4,000 years. He found that when strict heterosexual monogamy was practiced, the society attained its greatest cultural energy, especially in the arts, sciences and technology. But as people rebelled against the prohibitions placed upon them and demanded more sexual opportunities, there was a consequent loss of their creative energy, which resulted in the decline and eventual destruction of the civilization. Remarkably, he did not find any exception to this trend.โ€
    โ€”Janosik, Daniel. โ€œThe Fate of Culture in J. D. Unwinโ€™s โ€˜Sex and Cultureโ€™โ€ in Christian Apologetics Journal,โ€จ Vol. 10:1 (Spring 2012)โ€จ.

    Jeff, I trust that was not too ‘Prolix’.


  14. @ Bushie.

    It will take a natural catastrophe ( as occurred in Dominica ) to change Barbados from the den of iniquity you claim it to be.

    There are too many incestuous political and “business” relationships in “likkle Babadus”.

    Most if not all the well meaning “upright” individuals have already been tarnished by “Politics”

    There are also very few Bajans who have the leadership qualities to create a “Singapore”.

    So between you an me Bushie nutten much gine change except the BLP will win the next election…….maybe.

    And round and round we go.


  15. @ Hants
    You just described a terminally ill patient….
    Doctors have to do a similar thing every day to nuff Bajan BBs too..

    ….and do you know that the other brass bowls still eating the same fast-food shiite; still not exercising; still drinking every bit of alcohol they can get in their mouths…. and all got bellies like tubs?

    So you are correct …of course!
    Most likely we will become a formal part of the new Trickidad, Tobago and Brassbados.
    Who knows, the PNM may even exile Kamla back here to Cave Hill …from whence she came….

    There is no bigger curse than to be consigned to be a bowl of brass…..


  16. God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness.

    Roman 1: 18,19, 21, 24, 25a, 26, 27,31b

    “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against ALL ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the TRUTH* in unrighteousness, because what maybe KNOWN of God in manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. (vv.18,19).

    “Because, although they knew God, they did NOT glorify Him as God, nor where thankful, but became FUTILE in their thoughts, and their foolish thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.” (v.21)

    FUTILE: (Gk ‘mataloo’) To make empty, vain, foolish, useless, confused. The word describes the perverted logic and idolatrous presumption of those who do not honor God or show Him any gratitude for His blessings on humanity.

    “Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, the the LUSTS of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves.” (v.24)

    “Who exchanged the TRUTH of God for a LIE…For this reason God gave them up to VILE passions. For even their women women exchanged the natural use (Heterosexual) for what is against nature.” (Lesbianism) (vv. 25a, 26)

    “Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use (Heterosexual) of the woman, BURNED in their LUST for one another, men with men (Homosexuality) committing what is SHAMEFUL, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.”(v.27)

    “…knowing that the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but ALSO approve of those who practice them.” (v. 31b) emphasis added.

    BTW, the Legal brain, Obama, said that this discourse is ambiguous, not clear at all regarding Homosexuality! Such is the case of rampant intellectual and linguistic dishonesty!

    Jeff, you ask what is truth? Truth by definition is absolute! Whether you believe that or not!!


  17. Sorry Jeff, your question was not, ‘What is truth.” But, “What is this truth.” Language presupposes logical distinctions!!


  18. @ Zoe
    Truth is what the boss says it is.
    The absolute truth is what the absolute boss says it is…

    …and you done know that BBE run things…. ๐Ÿ™‚


  19. How can we have an alignment in the arguments that seek to marry secular and non secular motives? Let us agree the state of play says we will have this debate until the end times whenever this eventuality occurs.


  20. @ Zoe
    Skippa…. if Bushie knew that you woulda gone down that “exegesis road” with Romans 1 – the bushman would have left out that bible talk yuh…
    What wrath of God what??!!
    …you ain’t see that Hants just explained the whole thing for you…?

    Hants said….”It will take a natural catastrophe ( as occurred in Dominica ) to change Barbados from the den of iniquity…”

    You must KNOW that he is right as shiite!!…. ent -it?

    …so therefore when God unleashes his ‘wrath against all unrighteousness….’ SURELY you can see that BBE is applying RADICAL SURGERY in order to save the brass bowl patient…?

    …like a surgeon has to resort to the knife after the BB patient ignores all the advice, all the encouragement, all the cajoling, …even the whacking ….. to persist with his brass bowlery …and then end up on the operating table and in intensive care….

    Boss man, wuh the surgeon only trying to save the idiot’s life….
    What wrath what??!!


  21. @ David
    Who needs an alignment?
    Why is it important that the goats in Lowdown’s farm have their philosophical theories correctly ‘aligned’ with Bushie’s top-man Hoad’s?

    ..those goats could have whatever theories they wish; give each other horns, degrees, butts and what ever the hell they want…
    …Hoadie will STILL milk their asses in the morning, cook one ever so often in a stew, and decide which ram getting the poo-nanie…. and when…

    The ONLY reason BBE even cares that we ‘align’ is because they possess this characteristic called ‘LOVE’ …that works even on brass bowl bajans…


  22. @Bushie

    You need to appreciate there are the arguments taking place concurrently at the individual and the national level. We have to be careful not to retreat to a reductive positions, there is a lot more to Jeff’s ‘prolix’. Prolix is too harsh, more an exposition.

    Sorry Jeff, could not resist!


  23. @ David
    No one can question Jeff’s posit. It is sound and beyond reproach.

    In such circumstances, skilled debaters tend to focus on the assumptions and foundational concepts that the proposer has taken for granted.

    …so even though it is clearly idiotic to pass a law that says ‘A’ … and then invoke a tradition that says ‘B’, such idiocy should not be surprising in an environment where CLICO seems to be a ‘fiat accompli’, CAHILL is a work in progress and mountains of other known ILLEGAL acts have been routinely taking place at the highest levels…

    The problem is therefore MUCH more basic than is portrayed here by Jeff…. It is like highlighting the ill-fitting underwear on an accident victim who clearly has spinal injury…


  24. Yes Bushie, what humankind is experiencing will continue until the end of time as we know it. The temporal world will likely win out because if you accept this is a secular world we live in. Even those who profess to practice religion do so behind a veil of hypocrisy. Let us take the Catholics for example.

    Yes Bushie, posit is a better word!


  25. LOL @ David
    Let us NOT take the Catholics…
    That would REALLY set Zoe off…. ๐Ÿ™‚


  26. Jeff

    Re: Your comment at 7:37 a.m.

    Most times when I read you work, I learn something new and I make careful note and use them when the need arise. I learn a lot from you. Prolix is just the latest example.


  27. To all the religious zealots

    The Bible is not the Constitution of the US A and the Constitution is not the Bible regardless of how many quotations religious zealots reference to prove their approval or disapproval of any subject the fact remains that the US A is a secular society which means they are differing racial !religious !and culture differences
    Therefore the founding fathers in their utmost wisdom wrote a bill of Rights with inherited guarantees solidfy on morals grounds with an equality to benefit all.


  28. @Caswell, that was just a friendly jab in jest. Thanks for your kind words.

    @Bush Tea, I agree that there are perhaps greater ills that I could expand on, but mine is just a weekly column of frequently fewer than 1200 words which itself is a concession on the part of the publisher of the Advocate. That is why I respect this blog as a necessary element of our democracy. Whether wrong or right, there is always a forum to express one’s views on a plurality of topics, even anonymously if one chooses. The modern politician has it much harder than those who were free from our question and whom we revered in the pastโ€ฆthere is very little that may be hidden from public view nowadays with the existence of BU, however it might be explained away by partisan faithfuls.

    I ask again, this time in a different way, Is there any hope for Barbados in your futuristic thesis? And what must we do? Or are we damned and doomed, in your view?

    @David@ 1:01pm -For the second time today, touchรฉ!

    @AC, you are mostly right!


  29. The easiest job in Barbados is Government Minister. He has the power to get an expert opinion for everthing.

    If a Minister called Jeff Cumberbatch and said “” Jeff man I dealing wid this ting hey an people tellin me bout protocol overule leglislation. Dah is true?

    Jeff would give him the correct answer for free.

    Now don’t let me get started with the fact that a Minister has a permanent secretary who can be tasked to find the answers to any question.

    Of course you would have to be intelligent, personable and be guided by a desire to serve the people who elected you.


  30. Hants

    They did not have to bother Jeff, they only had to read my column and on BU. I made that point some time ago. A sensible minister would have checked especially since I was so bold as to reduce that opinion to writing. But you see the problem here, we don’t have a sensible minister.

    Sent from my iPad

    >


  31. @ Jeff
    Bushie respects the constraints under which you attack these issues, and indeed has great admiration for the extent to which you have been able to squeeze some blood from the Advocate stone so far in this regard.

    Hopefully you can forgive the bushman for piggy-backing on your contributions to get some extra whacking done… You must have noted that having to clean up the lotta shiite daily from Dompey and TWO resident ACs has taken a toll on the whacker… It is therefore refreshing to be able to whack some intelligent grass from time to time……it will be even more useful when you overcome your youthful (and misguided) dismissal of ‘things spiritual’ and begin to ask the REALLY important questions in life…

    LOL
    …that will bring a whole new perspective to your musings….

    Is there any hope for Barbados…?
    Barbados has arguably been one of the most blessed places on this whole Earth… from multiple perspectives…
    With such a silver spoon in our mouth, we SHOULD have become a role model for other less fortunate (lucky / blessed) peoples…. a point of reference for social development, for leadership, education, and nation building.
    Instead, we have allowed ourselves to be distracted with selfish materialistic greed and, as a result, we now find ourselves even worse off than others who have endured hurricanes, floods, wars, racial strife and other REALLY challenging setbacks that largely eluded us….
    It can ONLY be described as brass bowlery.

    Skippa…
    Unless we wake up to what is happening; get a grip of ourselves; refocus on a national vision for education, progress and restoration; and embrace LAW, meritocracy, fairness and rightness as national ideals…WE ARE DOOMED as a viable country…

    Critical to avoiding such doom will be the emergence of new enlightened LEADERS who are capable of implementing such change….

    You game…?


  32. On the subject of vision please can anyone tell why the government decided to dig up Roebuck Street when schools reopened?


  33. Somebody needed a kickback at this time. What other reason could there be.

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  34. @Bush Tea, Sept 13,2015, to Jeff.

    Then you proceed to ask โ€œwhat is the cure?โ€
    shiite man!!โ€ฆ. Must Bushie repeat?โ€ฆ.again ?

    CLEAN UP THE DAMN PLACEโ€ฆ..
    Stop the damn thievingโ€ฆ
    Enforce the damn lawsโ€ฆ
    Get the โ€˜learnedโ€™ people that you have been producing to live honest lives..
    Do something about CLICO
    Apply the damn LAW to everyoneโ€ฆ
    Deal with the lotta CROOKS, BRIBE-TAKERS, oppressors of the weakโ€ฆ

    Operate in a manner that can stand the test of TRANSPARENCYโ€ฆ.

    Sorry BT, all of the above remedies you offer for B’dos, is nothing but plain ‘Good works’ none of which can SAVE anyone, as NO ONE, or any Country can be saved by cleaning up all of the ‘mess’ that you have correctly identified; as what is NEEDED, is ‘REPENTANCE’ first and foremost to God, and a surrendered heart and life to His Lordship, FAITH and TRUST in Jesus Christ our Lord.

    The fundamental, core problem IS* SIN, individually and collectively, and must FIRST be dealt with, according to God’s Word.

    REPENTANCE, meaning a turn away from SIN, in its varied manifestations!

    No amount of societal cleansing from all that you identified, can be effectively beneficial, without the CORE problem of SIN, being addressed FIRST!


  35. “RIGHTEOUSNESS exalts a nation, But SIN is a reproach to any people.” (Prov. 14:34)

    Laboring and Prospering with the Lord.

    “UNLESS the Lord builds the house ( man, woman, family, nation) they labor in vain who build it. UNLESS the Lord guards the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.” (Psa. 127:1) emphasis added.

    Any other humanistic, philosophical, good works oriented efforts, are simply ‘superficial’ applying a plaster to the ‘SORE’ without getting to the ROOT cause, SIN!!!


  36. “For by GRACE (unmerited favor) you have been SAVED through FAITH, and that NOT of yourselves; it is the GIFT of God, NOT of WORKS, lest anyone should BOAST.” (Eph. 2: 8,9) emphasis added.

    However, IF one is Saved, then GO and do good works, only then does it mean anything to God.

    “For we are His WORKMANSHIP, created IN* Christ Jesus FOR good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”

    Any other sequence, applied by man-made efforts, is tantamount to the Cart pulling the horse!!!


  37. @David can you create a blog for religious discussion? Please?


  38. @ David who wrote ” why the government decided to dig up Roebuck Street when schools reopened”

    I just read this in Nationnews “the school had water tanks but they were solely to facilitate the toilets and were not used for washing hands or drinking.”

    How can you have people using toilets but no water to wash their hands? mmmmmm


  39. Steupsss @ Zoe
    Obviously Jeff was asking about ‘cure’ from his perspective as a citizen…and not from a spiritual angle..
    You need to stop interpreting everything from the perspective of your church dogma.
    If a man ask about water do you give him vinegar…?

    BTW
    …where GP?
    you left him in Tibet? or did that big earthquake tek him during an intense exegesis…? ๐Ÿ™‚


  40. Bush Tea September 13, 2015 at 10:41 PM #
    Steupsss @ Zoe

    “Obviously Jeff was asking about โ€˜cureโ€™ from his perspective as a citizenโ€ฆand not from a spiritual angle..”

    “You need to stop interpreting everything from the perspective of your church dogma.”

    “If a man ask about water do you give him vinegarโ€ฆ?”

    First Bush Tea, I do NOT have any Church Dogma, that’s man-made; I interpret from sound Biblical Hermeneutics, and Linguistic Exegesis!

    Secondly, a man might ask for water, not knowing he needs Vinegar!!

    “For the message of the Cross is FOOLISHNESS to those who are perishing, but to us who are being Saved it IS* the power of God.
    For it is written:”

    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”

    “Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made FOOLISH the wisdom of this world.” ( 1Cor. 1: 18,19, 20).

    The wisdom of the wise is often folly, the understanding of the understanding is often rejected. There is such a thing as the ignorance of the learned, the wisdom of the simple-minded. God’s wisdom rises in the Cross sheer above human philosophizing, which is still scoffing at the Cross of Christ, the consummation of God’s power.


  41. Think on this: “If my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and forgive their sin and I will heal their land.” (II Chronicles 7:14)

    Pray on this: Gracious Father, move your people, by your Holy Spirit to follow the guidance of II Chronicles 7:14 and bring healing to our land. In Jesus’ name AMEN!


  42. Again religious Zealots. Not everyone reads the Bible
    Not everyone reads The Koran
    There is also the aethesist and what about all other religiona whose doctrines are based on nature.
    Pray tell me how is one religion based on the teachings of the bible enough of a cure to heal the worlds problem
    Most Christians have a simplistic and narrowedminded thinking of the world just similar to those of ancient religions( although such thinking can be excused giving the limitation of acess ) however what religionist needs to reconigize is that the world has expanded way beyond biblical teachings and looking solely to the bible for answers limits one mind to realities and looking only to one source for answers.


  43. “Professing to be wise, they became FOOLS.” ( Rom. 1:22)

    How true IT IS!!!

    So it be!!!


  44. “That was not at all my intention. I was merely seeking to point out the illogic of claiming still to be guided by Protocol after a statute has been enacted and claiming adherence to the rule of LAW!”

    It appears that commentators perhaps out of deference for your scholarship are giving you a pass. I too will give you a pass because I recognize as you belatedly do that it might be necessary at times to resort to prolix to reinforce a point.


  45. Religion, i.e., Hinduism, Islam, et al world religions, are man-made, aided and abetted by Satan, keeping vast numbers of humanity is religious ritualism, bondage, that brings NO peace or liberation from the SIN-stained soul of man.

    Whereas, Christianity in its purest most simple Biblical form, IS* a living , life changing spiritual reality that has been, and continues to be experienced by every known ethic group of people across the earth, and IS* growing more rapidly than any other ‘religious’ faith.

    Peace, joy, and true purpose through the forgiving of our SIN, as we accept The Lord Jesus Christ, into our hearts and lives, is the common testimony EVERY where, in every country, it has NOTHING to do with religious formalism or ritualism, as is found in other world religions.

    Christianity IS a personal relationship with Almighty God, the ONE true and living God, through His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Choose this day whom you will serve??


  46. @Zoe

    @Zoe

    Kris Vallotton's photo.


  47. Point being looking to one source

    Stifles ! Stagnates! Confuses! creates indecisiveness! limits!

    Having unlimited choices

    creates rationality ! gives reason to Contemplate ! to understand! Stimulate ! Observe! decipher! differentiate! and most importantly to decide.
    Yes the bible is one source but not the only source man was created with the ability to think whether or not the choices made are good or bad making choices is a necessary apparatus for mankind survival.


  48. Only ONE source to Life and NOT Die! The Bible, God’s Word.

    “And the Lord God commanded the man (Adam), saying, ‘Of every three of the garden you may FREELY eat: BUT of the tree of the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL, you shall NOT eat, for in the day that you EAT of it, you shall SURELY DIE.”

    In the lush natural reserve (Eden) that God created, were found two trees, that are the KEY to EVERYTHING that follows in ALL human history. They were the physical means God used to transact spiritual realities. The tree of LIFE is associated with experiencing the LIFE of God, including immortality. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, represents human autonomy, that is, SELF-RULE, an assumed independence FROM God in all areas of life.

    The Bible gives an account narrative, though briefly, what happened after Adam choose to DISOBEY God, and first DIE Spiritually, then physical DEATH, which followed on in ALL of his offspring, and the entire human race, bar NONE!

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