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The following statement was received from Head of Management Studies Dr. Justin Robinson, UWI, Cave Hill

Dr. Justin Robinson

I want to state categorically that I did not call for an increase in VAT.  The traditional media chose the sensational approach to the issues raised in a panel discussion titled, The Fiscal Deficit, Causes and Possible Solutions.  In my presentation I outlined what I saw as the causes of the deficit and a number of possible ways to correct it.  I outlined, economic growth, borrowing, revenue raising measures and expenditure cuts as possible solutions.  Under the heading of revenue cuts I stated that if it got to the point that the government needed revenue raising measures then in my opinion the VAT would be the best approach.  I stated that this should be an absolute last resort.  The presentation was somehow reported as me calling for an increase in VAT.

The many issues which are swirling at this should serve to hone Barbadian sensitivity to the seriousness of the economic situation currently affecting the country.  The current debate about whether the University of the West Indies, Cave Hill should reduce the inflow of Barbadian students, there is the recommendation by Minister of Economic Affairs David Estwick to Prime Minister Thompson that he should negotiate a wage freeze and finally the recent suggestion by Head of the Department of Management Studies at Cave Hill Dr. Justin Robinson that the government should consider a 1% hike in VAT to respond to the current cash flow worry. The pleasing aspect about two of the contentious issues being discussed is the involvement of University of the West Indies, Cave Hill lecturers. Cave Hill has attracted criticism over the years about the silence of its scholars.

Of the three suggestions the one floated by Dr. Justin Robinson is interesting. It is the one issue of the three which falls entirely within the control of government to change. Prime Minister Thompson in his recent press conference was quizzed by journalists about the more emotive issue of the wage freeze. Thompson in an attempt to deflate the issue rebranded Estwick’s suggestion a moratorium. He also was deliberate in pointing out that a moratorium on public sector salaries required the cooperation of the unions and the social partnership. Quietly mentioned by the PM was the option to reform the current tax system. While the wage freeze is getting a lot of airplay, the politically savvy Thompson is aware of the downside to freezing wages given the shadow of the Sandiford 8% cut which he has to live under.

The Value Added Tax (VAT) was implemented in 1997 by the Arthur administration and sold to Barbadians that by rationalizing the 11 taxes it replaced it would:

  1. lower overall tax rate
  2. broaden the tax base
  3. more efficiently collect revenue
  4. a more transparent tax

Interestingly the the VAT was contemplated by the DLP as far back as 1978.

The way the VAT works exposes a downside to Dr. Robinson’s suggestion if not efficiently managed should the government implement. VAT is described as a regressive tax. VAT is a consumption tax which is added to any value to the product or service along the production or supply chain. The reality that Barbadians at the lower end of the economic ladder spend more of their income than those above them does make it a regressive tax. If the government is to implement an increase in VAT, the suggestion by Dr. Robinson is 1% – to compensate, the exempt basket of goods and services would have to fairly contain those products and services routinely accessed by Barbadians at the lower end of the economic ladder. If the government can get the exempt basket right, the objective to increase VAT and generate needed cash flow, BU considers this the better option to a wage freeze at this time. It would mean those who can afford it would proportionately pay VAT.

The confidence level and the psyche of Barbadians are intangibles which the government has to weight at this difficult time. The public sector in 1991 had to carry the load with the 8% wage cut. Additionally, by reducing the circulation of cash a wage reduction would bring at this time has repercussions. Bear in mind the government is the largest employer in the economy.

The business of tax adjustment and reform is a complex matter, BU look forward to a solid national debate on Dr. Robinson’s suggestion.


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105 responses to “Dr. Justin Robinson Misrepresented On VAT Issue: Pondering The Options – Increase The VAT Or Lobby For The Dreaded Wage Freeze”

  1. """ FIRE """ Avatar
    “”” FIRE “””

    PDC needs to wake up from —-THE DREAM !

    Hello !
    This is Reality

    Are you there ?
    Are you listening ?
    STFU – PDC

  2. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    Pity that Dr. Estwick did not give his view on the deficit and government detbt to those assembled patiently awaiting him last Friday, but he’s using other venues to spell out his thoughts, such as selling GEMS, see http://www.nationnews.com/news/local/sell-the-gems-says-estwick


  3. Den
    CH has already stated on another thread that people with qualifications are extremely stupid do you concur or agree not?


  4. The fact that both DLP and the BLP Governments have been grossly and recklessly mismanaging the political and other affairs of this country, shows why the broad masses and middle classes of people of this country must within the next two elections rid this country of these two old archaic backward DLP and the BLP factions, if this country is to become a world class society in the forseeable future.

    For, both these two parties since the 80s – more exactly since the death of Errol Barrow – have been engaging in a great amount of foolish political and social activities to prevent this clearly failed elite/state driven Euro-centric value system from crumbling, while at the same time starkly failing to advance and develop the state of ideological consciousness, political empowerment and material development of the same broad masses and middle classes of people in this country.

    Instead, what the leaders and principals of these withering factions have by and large been doing since then is to have been dangerously advancing their own narrow personal, business, familial, cronistic and foreign interests as opposed to the fundamental interests of the masses and middle classes and by extension the public and the nation. This is very outrageous!!.

    So, what these very horrendous deporable states of affairs have clearly led to, especially at a time like now when the political material and financial conditions of this country are fast deteriorating and thousands upon thousands of people and businesses and other entities are fast descending into deeper poverty and misery (many again), is, et al, a domestic political intellectual leadership crisis of severe and staggering proportions that itself could have been voided, or at least made less likely, by the presence of people-centered developmentalist parties in governmental office in this country in the last twenty years and at the same time their implementation of mainly progressive national sectoral development policies, along with solid support for them coming from the broad masses and middle classes in the country – who NOT ONLY would long have recognized the DLP and BLP for what they are really worth in net terms – the same ole same ole political intellectual foolishness over and over again – BUT would ALSO have helped made sure that they were consigned to the political rubbish heap for necessary elimination.

    That is why the People’s Democratic Congress will NOT stand idly by and allow the leaders and principals of the DLP and BLP and their academic punch bags – like Dr. Robinson and Dr. Francis – to take this country deeper and deeper into the political intellectual dregs and for the masses and middle classes to be greater agonizing and suffering, and NOT do any thing about it.

    That is why we know that this is the right time more than ever before to make sure that rational and fundamental actions are needed to be taken by those Barbadians who are qualified enough in whatever ways and who have the interests of the country and the masses and middle classes fundamentally at heart, to help lift our country out of the damn mess that the DLP and BLP have placed it in, help restructure and reposition it, and then help place it on an upward sustained growth path of further development.

    Surely, this is NOT the time for silly childish cretinous posturing. So, stand back!!!

    Down with the damned DLP and the Blasted BLP!!

    PDC


  5. Refreshing like young_ coconut juice!

    Hard Times


  6. Are these proposals from an IMF document?


  7. @All… Slightly off topic. But slightly on topic as well…

    The Barbados Fair Trading Commission have just released their Decision on the Consolidated Reference Interconnection Offer by LIME.

    It can be downloaded here: http://www.ftc.gov.bb/library/2010-02-22_commission_decision_final_RIO.pdf

    To say I am less than impressed would be an understatement.

    I need some time to digest the language and its implications, and what we’ll do about it, but I wanted everyone to know and have access to the decision immediately.


  8. pdc seems to have some merit there in what it is saying but it is not easy pdc, its not easy. the mendicancy created by both parties has to be penetrated and this is like penetrating iron. it can be done but you need the right tools

    pdc , you have my support
    i would vote pdc tomorrow
    you cannot do worse than what we have
    and your ideas sound realistic and achievable to me. you need to convince others of your ideas.

    good wishes to you pdc
    i love your spirit
    you have my vote

  9. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    kiki // February 24, 2010 at 7:30 AM

    “Den
    CH has already stated on another thread that people with qualifications are extremely stupid do you concur or agree not?” [Clearly people with qualifications are not extremely stupid as they are smart enough to pass the tests, and most of these are not set to assess their levels of stupidity. Of those I know, I’d like to think that those like doctors and pilots and those with high levels of technical training do not fall into the stupid mould.

    Likewise, people without qualifications are not NOT studid. Being good at a task is not a matter of being qualified (formally) as some things can be learnt by doing. One can learn to build a house and be a reasonable bricklayer and trust oneself to build a house that stands up well. Same could be said for coaching sports. But would you want to take someone’s self statement of skill if they were to offer to do surgery on your brain or your heart?]


  10. Den
    So you concur withe me
    and believe that Chris is extremely stupid thick and dense officially


  11. @kiki: I rarely listen to your noise, so I missed this comment:

    @kiki: (2010.02.24.0730) “CH has already stated on another thread that people with qualifications are extremely stupid do you concur or agree not?

    Could you please indicate *exactly* where and when I stated this?

    Or are you simply being distractionary defamatory?

  12. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @ kiki // February 24, 2010 at 7:24 PM

    “Den
    So you concur withe me
    and believe that Chris is extremely stupid thick and dense officially” [Categorically not! What I have read on this blog and elsewhere shows that CH is very intelligent. Having spoken to him on one occasion (regarding BL&P rate hearing and media) I found his comments very sensible.]


  13. Ciris is thicker y=than a dodo imho

    politics.
    #

    Christopher Halsall // February 17, 2010 at 1:08 PM

    @Brutus… “Why is this such a sacred cow that can not be challenged? How much expenditure on university education is too much for us to afford, or is it being argued that there is no limit to how much we should spend?

    I think you’ve hit the nail firmly on the head.

    The question should be: what “upside” does all this free education contribute to those paying for it? And at what cost?

    Does it produce free (critically) thinking individuals who can compete in a globally competitive playing field?

    A separate question: do we have empirical data supporting either position?

    To speak from my personal experience — some of my most useless employees and co-workers had MDs and PhDs.

    Some of my most valuable employees and co-workers barely got out of secondary school. (Please count me in this set.)

    Why? Because “getting the paper” doesn’t always mean the same thing as “being able to do”.

    For what that is worth.


  14. @Dennis Jones…

    Thank you for that. While we’ve had our disagreements, I believe we actually find ourselves on the same page, and mutually understand that honest argument is healthy…

    @kiki…

    Please be *very* careful with what you claim.

    I did *NOT* say what you claim I said.


  15. you said the following (ignorant) shit
    Repeat shit
    Christopher Halsall // February 17, 2010 at 1:08 PM

    @Brutus… “Why is this such a sacred cow that can not be challenged? How much expenditure on university education is too much for us to afford, or is it being argued that there is no limit to how much we should spend?

    I think you’ve hit the nail firmly on the head.

    The question should be: what “upside” does all this free education contribute to those paying for it? And at what cost?

    Does it produce free (critically) thinking individuals who can compete in a globally competitive playing field?

    A separate question: do we have empirical data supporting either position?

    To speak from my personal experience — some of my most useless employees and co-workers had MDs and PhDs.

    Some of my most valuable employees and co-workers barely got out of secondary school. (Please count me in this set.)

    Why? Because “getting the paper” doesn’t always mean the same thing as “being able to do”.

    For what that is worth.
    End-Shit


  16. Kiki wrote that “CH has already stated on another thread that people with qualifications are extremely stupid do you concur or agree not?”

    Kiki in the post above @7:57 shows conclusively that Halsall did NOT state what is alleged. However, it may be that Kiki has attained a graduate degree and wishes to validate the alleged thesis that such people are stupid.


  17. yes i did get my degree
    and i am is stupid


  18. still think ch has got No (ie NONE/Zero)
    credibililty

    non-mose


  19. BScTech (hons) Data Processing
    Systems Information Management
    or Applied Computer Systems
    +
    22 years experience
    working for bent fraudulent banks


  20. SG Warburg
    Merril Lynch
    RBS
    Bank of New York
    Mellon Bank


  21. s/b Merrill Lynch &
    Mercury Asset Management


  22. Plus :
    Wang International
    Shell Petroleum
    IBM
    Pink software /Turbocad
    John Laing Construction
    Software Ag
    Pepsi Cola
    NJ Bank
    Beckton & Dickinson
    Pan American Arlines
    Del Monte


  23. Perhaps one should look at the government procedures as one would look at a private organization, the government of Barbados is like a company that has 12 CEOs, 8 CFOs, 14 COOs, 2 secretaries for each of them, and various other support staff.

    The main issue is, the government is not run like a business, its run like a parasitic organism, gorging itself on the inhabitants of this nation. This problem will not be solved because the main goal of government is to perpetuate itself, as it is. A novel solution would be to streamline all the bloated “ministries” and eliminate the useless ones, thus the useless ministers right along with them. However the eternal cry is always “people must have jobs” jobs jobs jobs. How many bright minds have been hobbled and frustrated because some party loyalist wants to keep their job, How many fresh minds have been made stale and jaded because they were undermined by some parliamentary rep’s blood relation. How much money is wasted by people whose only qualification is “quarter past nine” at quarter past nine. I don’t advocate wage freeze, I advocate out right firing! send these useless, self-serving, gluttons packing.

    I want the old lady sweeping the school yard to keep her job, its the useless department head I have problem with, I want the receptionist and the groundsman to keep their jobs, its the useless eater at the top I have a problem with.
    Instead of a trip, make a phone-call, instead of a lunch meeting make it a snack meeting. Instead of Mercedes make it a Toyota.

    The government is a faulty hose and its solution is to pump more water instead of fixing the leaks, pun intended.


  24. Obviously a University education does not
    make anyone cleverer or brainier mentally
    but it does broaden job opportunities for
    blue chip companies in specialised fields.


  25. Actually Kiki I think you’ve got it wrong again. A university education could possibly be said to make a person “brainier” [i.e. they know more] but may NOT broaden job opportunities given the labour market. To wit there are more than a few graduates in psychology, oceanography, archaeology, astronomy, medieval literature, marine biology, climatology, nuclear engineering, history etc flipping burgers, working as lifeguards, teacher assistants, real estate agents, retail store assistants, civil service clerks, bank cashiers, audit assistants etc.

    So to extend Halsall arguments: are we producing graduates in proportion to available jobs and projected labour market demands; and did the education adequately prepare the graduates to do the work demanded of them? I am ignoring the arguments about “education for its own sake etc” for now.


  26. lipgloss, thank you very much!!

    Such comments not only encourage us but also embolden us.

    No doubt we will convey this message of support and good wishes to as many members and supporters as possible of our party.

    And we do hope that you keep critically supporting us and too criticizing us when there is a need to here and elsewhere.

    Our Best Regards.

    PDC


  27. sorry if my postings are off topic
    I didn’t realise there was a topic
    Crimson & Clover Live

    non-mouse:
    why don’t you let Halsall stand up and speak for himself pussies
    next you will be saying women don’t deserve an education to be mothers
    and that poor people should know their place in society


  28. these qualified burger flippers you look down on.. you think they gonna flip burgers all their life?

  29. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @kiki and others,

    You may want to read Robert Lucas’ piece in today’s Nation, ‘It’s a brain deficit’ (which I cannot yet find online).

    Taking CH’s comments (and he can defend himself adequately): ‘To speak from my personal experience — some of my most useless employees and co-workers had MDs and PhDs.

    Some of my most valuable employees and co-workers barely got out of secondary school. (Please count me in this set.)’.

    He made reference to his personal experience, and used ‘some’ (not ‘many’ or ‘all’). Let’s call that one data point. We may find others close to his view or not. We did not take him to task on whether the MD’s or PhD’s were likely to be well suited to the tasks, but he can expand, if he wishes.

    Put differently, one can find many who are capable but without paper qualifications to ‘prove’ that, because they are fast learners and/or adaptable, and may have some very good intelligence but may be lousy at tests and/or certain kinds of formal assessments. Likewise, one can find brilliant ‘qualified’ people in one field who can transcend many others: classic UK situation is those who excel in Greek or Latin, say, and have great ability in working in a range of analytical fields.

    I don’t take these as general proofs but reflect personal capabilities.

    As far as doors being opened, a qualification can be like a passport but not a resident permit: you may get in but you need to prove that you are worth keeping. All qualifications are not the same and also some are bogus.

    We talk about certain jobs as is they are not worthy and therein lies another set of issues. Putting bread on the table is not trivial, and many of our predecessors found this out a hard way when the migrated to the UK, Canada and US and found that their qualifications did not meet the mark or were rejected. So they did the next best and worked in a factory or on the buses or…If they had learning skills and valued education their children have often moved up the education, work, and other ladders.

  30. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

  31. A decent society provides for everyone
    Even those with learning difficulties


  32. Lipgloss you got to be a cheap ass one….. you aint them lipglosses that a girl at UWI was selling for 35 dollars.

    For you to even think that PDC’s ideas can work in such a capitalist WORLD IS STUPID!

    As another blogger said it isn’t that we wouldn’t take you guys seriously, it is that you all have not proved that you are capable of running anything just selling socks from the same Indian man you curse. Why not own your OWN business?


  33. maybe anononymous is a political stooge


  34. any possible Halsall Supporter
    must be Hallsall in disguise


  35. Not a political stoe kiki just a realist!!!!!

    Its reality time again (Admiral Tibets)


  36. I’ve got it on vinyl (Reality Time)
    but not on youtube
    anyhow I’m just bouncing ideas
    and knocking our heads together


  37. @Dennis Jones… To expand a bit on your above, let me please say that I try to choose my words carefully. And I always speak using my real name. And I’m always willing to stand behind what I say.

    Please note that I also said on the other thread: ‘“Paper” doesn’t *always* mean “skill”. And more and more employers are beginning to realize this.

    From this it is logical to conclude (as I intended) that I have also worked with some *extremely* skilful individuals who did have “paper”.

    I think the Lucas piece does justice to the issue.

    We find ourselves in an era where actors and musicians are “cool”, and scientists and engineers are “geeks” or “nerds”.

    It was not always this way — for example, it can be argued that scientists, mathematicians and engineers significantly helped win the Second World War.

    I concur with Lucas, and believe we need to consider the technical studies far more seriously than we currently do. (And this isn’t just Barbados, but it does include Barbados.)

    Lastly, let me please leave you all with one last personal (I believe related) observation (choosing my words carefully)… I personally find that /often/ those who talk the most have the least to say worth listening to.


  38. @All…

    I think the following article from The Economist is also worth considering…

    http://www.economist.com/business-finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15393732

  39. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @Chris Halsall,

    I had not difficulty with what you wrote and would not feel that my corns were crushed.

    Learning is a very fluid and varied process.

    On geeks and nerds and cool and music, take a look at a rap video made by an economist at George Mason University, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/26/keynes-battles-hayek-in-e_n_436183.html.

    I’ve commented before that Barbados and other countries in the region have not done enough to produce people who can drive development process. In that sense I agree with Lucas. But, had the region developed some wider technological skills it would be interesting to speculate whether that would have accelerated the brain drain, for would they have been able to use their skills? The region has qualified people in forensic medicine, for instance, but no employment for them. So, they do other things at home or try to leave.

    No need to beat this horse more, on my part.


  40. We need to increase focus on science and technology but we also need skills.Balance is the key.

    On the matter of the public finances,we need to work very hard at controlling capital expenditure and reducing leakage from the tax system.

    If these things are done well there would be no need for a wage freeze or increase in VAT.


  41. Kiki

    I do not doubt that you have a BS (as in full of BS).


  42. Face Facts Mouse
    I am not a Bum
    I am a Bum with a degree
    Can’t take that from me


  43. @Dennis Jones…

    Thank you for your above… The rap video is *amazingly* funny and very poignant.

    And I agree with you that it would have been very interesting to know what might have happened if more technical skills were taught here in Barbados.

    But of course, since it didn’t happen, we will never know.

    Before you go Dennis…

    Would you support the argument that while improved (technical) skills might increase outward migration (brain drain), that this should still be encouraged here in Barbados since not *everyone* so trained would be unable to find a job here?

  44. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @Chris Halsall,

    I agree with the last sentiment. One major problem with a small society is that there needs to be much more precision in planning its future workforce as the economy grows and diversifies. It’s a tall order in a mixed economy, where government cannot direct the flow of labour to all activities. But, it’s possible to steer certain general courses. For example, given its push to be a tourism and international business centre, then labour in Barbados should be trained to better fit into those newer activities. (I think The Bahamas has done this well.) One aspect of this is that, if not done well, then inevitably foreign labour is needed, and if not well managed they never (or only slowly) get replaced by locals.

    It’s a big topic and I am being very brief with just one of the notions.


  45. @Dennis Jones… Thank you for your honest answer immediately above.

    @All…

    Did anyone else notice the article titled “New rainfall model for region” in today’s Nation News (page 4)?

    Could anyone tell us exactly who CCRIF are, and exactly where they presented today in Husbands, St. James?

    Are they incorporated here in Barbados?

    Do they have a web site?

    Do they have a phone number?

  46. Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados) Avatar
    Dennis Jones (aka Living in Barbados)

    @Chris Halsall, see http://www.ccrif.org/




  47. if u dnt like me i dont like u neiva
    donut ur a minor
    u come like sider
    im da ray nefu’s rider
    nah u could neva test dis rhymer


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