The following is a short discussion with President of the Barbados Association of Medical Practitioners (BAMP) Dr. Linda Williams (Epidemiologist). Dr. Natasha Sobers ( Epidemiologist) from the UWI, Cave Hill and Senior Economic Advisor to the government Dr. Kevin Greenidge – Head of the CBC TV 8 Sanka Price lead the discussion supported by Head of News at Voice of Barbados Stetson Babb.
Discussion re COVID 19 and the Economy
The following is a short discussion with President of the Barbados Association of Medical Practitioners (BAMP) Dr. Linda Williams (Epidemiologist). Dr. Natasha Sobers ( Epidemiologist) from the UWI, Cave Hill and Senior Economic Advisor to the government Dr. Kevin Greenidge – Head of the CBC TV 8 Sanka Price lead the discussion supported by Head…
265 responses to “Discussion re COVID 19 and the Economy”
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Best example is China.
COVID is apparently, if you believe the numbers, eradicated from there.
If I had to explain it I would say they locked down Wuhan completely so it could not spread to other places in China.
That’s what we saw.
Whatever else they did which we did not see either killed the virus or let it die.
When countries get control of their water supplies for urbanized areas and can keep sewage separate, then is when you will see cases fall.
https://www.thesourcemagazine.org/wuhan-waters-safe-mode-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
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The only reason I end up with the desal plant is because the zoning around the water wells means the water stays long enough away from a host for viruses and bacteria to die.
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Look Ma
No Vaccine!!
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/life-after-coronavirus-thousands-flock-wuhan-pool-party-n1237100
I believe the Chinese numbers.
They actually beat the virus long before the advent of any vaccine.
The Hindus in India also had a big splash in April 2021 almost a year after the Wuhan pool party and then dropped like flies.
Obviously the Chinese know alot more than they are saying.
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ARCHIVESThe Number Of Fully Vaccinated People That DIED Suddenly Has Gotten Even Worse!
Here is a hypothetical dialogue between a person who has been vaccinated for COVID and someone who has not. Let’s see how this plays out:Random person: Have you been vaccinated?
Me: Yes.
Me: No.
Random person: Why not?
Me: I’ve already had COVID.
Random person: You can still get it again.
Me: I will take my chances. You can still get the flu after you have been vaccinated as well.
Random person: Yeah, but you can’t die from the flu.
Me: Up to 61,000 people die every year of the flu and is the #9 cause of death in America. People only forget about the flu when the COVID pandemic is in America.
Random person: You must be a Trump supporter.
Unless you are living on a private island somewhere or way off in the boondocks off the grid somewhere, then chances are you’ve had a conversation such as this one with a close acquaintance or even a perfect stranger. COVID shot shaming is something that is all the rage nowadays, but the fact remains that deciding to get the COVID shot is a personal choice. On the other hand, when it comes to taking the life of a baby growing inside of your body, these same people will have the rallying cry “my body, my choice.” You can be a feminazi all day long when it comes to abortion rights, but these same people are calling for a COVID passport.
So, just what is the science behind the COVID jab? Is it possible that a fully vaccinated person can still get COVID? According to a recent report by NBC-5 in Chicago, state health officials are pointing out that over 150 fully vaccinated people have died, and as many as 600 fully vaccinated people have become sick enough to be hospitalized in “breakthrough” cases.
According to data uploaded last Wednesday by the Illinois Department of Public Health, 159 people in Illinois have died due to COVID-19 complications after being fully vaccinated. That figure equals out to at least 2.3% of the COVID-19 deaths in the Land of Lincoln since January, according to these officials.
The Illinois Surgeon General has termed these breakthrough cases as nothing more than a “unicorn” and she again urged those who have not yet gotten fully vaccinated to do so. “These vaccines continue to be truly effective,” IDPH Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said. “You know, everyone has heard of a case or two of someone who had a breakthrough infection or a breakthrough hospitalization, but it is, that is so far the unicorn, that you need to focus on the people who are not vaccinated, they’re the ones filling up the hospital as COVID patients.”
We’re not downplaying the significance of the Wuhan Virus by any means. Yes, it is clearly a serious virus and it has caused millions of deaths and some serious illnesses. If you are a person with a comorbidity you probably should seriously consider taking the jab, but healthy Americans who have tested positive for COVID but only exhibit mild symptoms that are only similar to the flu may want to fully investigate the shot before they run the risk of an adverse reaction to it. The beauty of living in America (at least up until this point) is that we still have the freedom to place what we want into our bodies.
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Ignore the ignorant Trump boy bots
or kick them up their big black ass
whatever you little heart may desireFlush your meridians
take the 7 day better breathing challenge
that beats western medicine -
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I have no problem with what the Colonel has to say.
I’m just sharing my point of view on how this could be spreading and why successive waves keep coming.
Lockdowns do not work, they can contribute to the spread.
We see that.
So what are we missing?
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john you may kike this one lol
THE GREAT BIG COVID SCAM HAS BEEN EXPOSED!
Sunshine SUNSHINE AUGUST 2, 2021
https://threepercenternation.com/2021/08/02/the-great-big-covid-scam-has-been-exposed/How do officials discover the variants, then?
However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can look at specific cases of the coronavirus through genetic sequencing. But there isn’t a specific test that will tell you if you have the delta variant.According to the CDC, sequenced cases are COVID-19 cases that the CDC has examined to review their genetic makeup and code. This is how variants of the virus are often discovered.
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On ‘one hand,’ you ‘said:’
(1). “It is a matter of probability, like in a war, only one of two or more men standing side by side has a bullet with his name on it. The others escape and get to return home.”
“Two or more districts side by side may not be hit the same as another neighboring district even though their water source is identical. Luck if you like, probability otherwise.”
But, ‘on the other hand,’ you followed up those comments with:
(2). “Best example is China. COVID is apparently, if you believe the numbers, eradicated from there. If I had to explain it I would say they locked down Wuhan completely so it could not spread to other places in China.”
Bear in mind, Black Rock is a large area in St. Michael North West and West Central, comprising of several “neighbouring districts,” which you categorized as a COVID-19 “hot spot,” perhaps similarly to Wuhan in China.
If one juxtaposes both your above comments with the categorization of Black Rock, it becomes clear you have essentially contradicted yourself.
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The 3 percenters stormed the Capital. You take info from their website.
I guarantee that the likes of you would not be welcome in their nation.
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Re: It cannot be refuted.
It is not even entertained. Refutation is not necessary. -
I have stored up plenty of potassium vitamins and Zinc with Vitamin C
Bought a couple of hazmat suits
More deadly viruses on the way -
I guess what you want us to accept is that Black Rock with its several districts is as big as Wuhan!!
Wuhan shows lockdowns only work in China and no where else which is clearly impossible.
Obviously there was another factor at play in Wuhan and I am saying it probably was H2O!!
COVID in Wuhan I am saying was overcome by what was done with the water supply, whatever that was.
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@rabbit…
Not coming in, just passing by the opening of the hole ..“Whatever that was” is a phrase usually reserve for when you don’t know what you are talking about and includes little green men from Mars.
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“I guess what you want us to accept is that Black Rock with its several districts is as big as Wuhan!!”
Never suggested any such thing.
You’re struggling, my friend ……… and wandering ‘all over the place.’
You tend to make an extra effort, trying to convince BU you’re much more intelligent than the average contributor, perhaps believing over thinking and complicating simple issues, while being overly sarcastic, is a sign of high intelligence.
Similarly to the average BU contributor, some days you may post an above average contribution…… and on other days….. shiite.
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RE trying to convince BU you’re much more intelligent than the average contributor,
HE DOES NOT HAVE TO TRY
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HE IS. LOL LOL LOL AND ALWAYS WAS LOL LOL -
My friend, you have your opinion………… and I have mine.
“LOL LOL LOL…….. LOL LOL.”
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I have stored up plenty of potassium vitamins and Zinc with Vitamin C
Bought a couple of hazmat suits
More deadly viruses on the way
XxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxcxxxxVaccine and social distancing are free
Them and mask up is all You need -
Delta variant was kiill off india. What going on there now and why?
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Artax,
It all depends on the definition of “intelligence”!
“Person, woman, man, camera, tv!”
That makes me a genius!
Post one uh dem rolling and laughing yellow men fuh muh!
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British Booster Jabs
Most vulnerable could be offered booster COVID-19 vaccines from Boosters aim to ensure protection from September.
Boosters aim to ensure protection from COVID-19 is maintained ahead of winter and against new variants.
• The UK welcomes JCVI interim advice on who to prioritise for a third dose • Pending further data and final advice, millions may be offered booster vaccine from SeptemberMillions of people most vulnerable to COVID-19 may be offered a booster vaccination from September to ensure the protection they have from first and second doses is maintained ahead of the winter and against new variants, following interim advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI).
The JCVI’s interim advice is to plan to offer COVID-19 booster vaccines from September 2021, in order to prolong the protection that vaccines provide in those who are most vulnerable to serious COVID-19 ahead of the winter months. The 2-stage programme would take place alongside the annual flu vaccination programme. Further details of the flu vaccination programme will be set out in due course.
The final JCVI advice will be published before September and will take into account the latest epidemiological situation, additional scientific data from trials such as Cov-Boost, real-time surveillance of the effectiveness of the vaccines over time and emerging variants. The final advice could change from the interim advice as further data is analysed.
The government is working closely with the NHS to ensure that if a booster programme happens it can be deployed rapidly from September. Further details will be set out in due course.
Health and Social Care Secretary, Sajid Javid said:
The phenomenal vaccine rollout has already saved tens of thousands of lives and prevented millions of infections, helping to wrestle back control of the pandemic and ease lockdown restrictions so we can return to normal as soon as possible.
We welcome this interim advice, which will help us ensure we are ready in our preparations for autumn. We look forward to receiving the committee’s final advice in due course.We need to learn to live with this virus. Our first COVID-19 vaccination programme is restoring freedom in this country, and our booster programme will protect this freedom. We are working with the NHS to make sure we can rapidly deliver this programme to maintain protection for people in the winter months.
Dependent on final advice, the booster programme will be designed to protect as many vulnerable people as possible from becoming seriously ill due to COVID-19 over the winter period.
COVID-19 vaccines provide very strong protection against serious illness. There is good evidence that 2 doses of any COVID-19 vaccine used in the UK will provide strong protection against severe disease for at least 6 months for the majority, and there is some evidence that longer lasting protection may be afforded to some. As is common with flu, winter will lead to rising cases and further pressure on the NHS. The JCVI’s interim position on booster vaccinations is to ensure the protection that has been built up in the population does not decline through the winter months, and that immunity is maximised to provide additional resilience against variants.
As most younger adults will receive their second COVID-19 vaccine dose in late summer, the benefits of booster vaccination in this group will be considered by the JCVI at a later time when more information is available.
Vaccines minister, Nadhim Zahawi said:
Our COVID-19 vaccination programme has been a roaring success, with almost 85% of adults across the UK receiving a first dose and more than 62% getting both doses.
We are now planning ahead to future-proof this progress and protect our most vulnerable from variants and flu ahead of the winter.
Vaccines are the best way to stay on top of this virus and I urge everybody to take up the offer as soon as possible.
The JCVI’s interim advice is that a third booster jab is offered to the following groups in 2 stages:
Stage 1. The following people should be offered a third dose COVID-19 booster vaccine and the annual influenza vaccine as soon as possible from September 2021:
• adults aged 16 years and over who are immunosuppressed
• those living in residential care homes for older adults
• all adults aged 70 years or over
• adults aged 16 years and over who are considered clinically extremely vulnerable
• frontline health and social care workers
Stage 2. The following people should be offered a third COVID-19 booster vaccine as soon as practicable after stage 1 with equal emphasis on deployment of the influenza vaccine where eligible:
• all adults aged 50 years and over
• all adults aged 16 to 49 years who are in an influenza or COVID-19 at-risk group as outlined in the Green Book
• adult household contacts of immunosuppressed individuals
Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England, Professor Jonathan Van-Tam said:
Where the UK has reached so far on vaccination is truly fantastic. But we need to keep going and finish giving second doses to those remaining adults who have not had them; this is the best thing we can do prevent the disease from making a comeback which disrupts society later in the year.Being able to manage COVID-19 with fewer or no restrictions is now heavily dependent on the continued success of the vaccination programme. We want to be on the front foot for COVID-19 booster vaccination to keep the probability of loss of vaccine protection due to waning immunity or variants as low as possible. Especially over the coming autumn and winter.
Fewer or no restrictions will mean that other respiratory viruses, particularly flu, will make a comeback and quite possibly be an additional problem this winter, so we will need to ensure protection against flu as well as maintaining protection against COVID-19.
The announcement of interim advice from JCVI is good news. It shows that the vaccine experts are thinking carefully about how best to use vaccination to protect the most vulnerable and ensure everyone’s lives can remain as normal as possible for the autumn and winter.
Of course we have to be driven by data, and there will be more data from vaccine booster studies for JCVI to look at over summer, so we should all remember that this advice is interim and might change between now and September. However JCVI has clearly set out the broad direction of travel which I agree with, and which ministers have accepted.
The success of the vaccination programme is weakening the link between cases and hospitalisations. The latest analysis from Public Health England (PHE) and the University of Cambridge suggests that vaccines have so far prevented an estimated 7.2 million infections and 27,000 deaths in England alone.The government met its target of offering a vaccine to the most vulnerable by 15 April and is on track to offer a first dose to all adults by 19 July, 2 weeks earlier than planned.
Everyone over the age of 18 and over is eligible to get a vaccine. By 19 July, all those aged 40 and over and the clinically extremely vulnerable, who received their first dose by mid-May, will have been offered their second dose.
Data from Public Health England (PHE) shows that COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against hospitalisation from the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant. The analysis suggests the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is 96% effective and the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is 92% effective against hospitalisation after 2 doses.
YouGov polling also shows the UK continues to top the list of nations where people are willing to have a COVID-19 vaccine or have already been vaccinated and ONS data published on 9 June shows that more than 9 in 10 (94%) adults reported positive sentiment towards the vaccine. -
Donna August 2, 2021 5:19 PM
Artax,
It all depends on the definition of “intelligence”!
“Person, woman, man, camera, tv!”
That makes me a genius!
Post one uh dem rolling and laughing yellow men fuh muh!
https://media.tenor.com/images/b056d7d835ff43ee381a6efbbf1f14db/tenor.gif
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Who Said covid is eradicated un china?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-placed-millions-under-lockdown-205549020.html
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It would be folly to believe that superior success at the ‘screaming test’ is an indication of greater intelligence for the rest of a life. In fact, given the different resources available to individual,this success may be simply reflect what was paid for and is not a measure of comparative intelligence.
Success at the level of a first year at university does not automatically translate to the presence of an Einstein. In fact, our two Einsteins appear to be works in progress and not fully bloomed. John has shown intelligence in some areas, but quite often his logic, his hypotheses and his theories has shown a deficiency that would make any sensible person question his superior intelligence. “The king has no clothes” may be an apt description.
Summary: not convinced he is very bright
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Fauci. Dont Think we are going back to lockdowns
Seem like we used the same crystal ball
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-dont-think-were-going-061026368.html
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A sad story.
Micheal Freedy texted fiancee before dying of covid-19, ‘I should have gotten the damn vaccine’ – The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/01/micheal-freedy-covid-death-vaccine/
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I hate to have to tell you this but Fauci is not God.
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TheO,
If they believe even a tenth of what they post, they are not very intelligent at all.
In fact, that would make them the biggest fools I have encountered ever.
I would love to believe that they are totally pulling our legs. But…. that would make them even bigger fools!
Why would they spend all this time pulling the legs of anonymous people in these serious matters? If they are conducting a study, it is a cruel study.
There is only one way that they could be of superior intelligence and yet be so cruel.
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Only god Can have an opinion on if we are going back to lockdowns? Stupes
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Uk over the Hill if third wave
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-latest-news-children-glued-204101719.html
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Only God is guaranteed to be RIGHT
Double steupse!
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You do know that I HOPE you are right?
My argument is that we must hope for the best but plan for the worst.
What exactly is your argument?
I do hope it is not that we are over the worst and so we don’t need a plan.
Dear, dear!
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Didnt god give us brains to think?
Neither fauci or Said we are 100% certain that we are are not going back into lockdown
We Said we dont THINK we Will go back into lock Down
I have no argument just opinions
My opinion is that we are over the worst But we must still be on Guard. There Will be flare ups But there Will not be the lockdowns like In 2020
The vaccines are working
The Numbers show it.
We have the ability to use booster if necessary
We have the Technology to adjust the vaccine to the DNA of the virus (if needed) according to how they evolve . -
New York will require vaccination certificate for indoor dining and fitness
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/nyregion/nyc-vaccine-mandate.html
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No masks so no vaccination!!??
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The vaccines work. Check the Numbers
https://www.yahoo.com/news/vacation-outbreaks-among-vaccinated-people-110201936.html
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Dominica is fighting the pandemic like many other countries
https://barbadostoday.bb/2021/08/03/region-new-covid-19-measures-implemented-in-dominica/
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David,
Another one bites the dust!
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So…wuh is de plan fuh de economy? My point was and still is that we need a plan regardless.
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So my position is that since God gave us brains to think, we should do more thinking than hoping.
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We should be thinking, planning and executing.
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@ David August 3, 2021 9:53 AM
That vaccine mandate will probably get rolled back with Governor Cuomo about to be no more. Only a matter of time before he get arrested on sexual harassment charges.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/politics/joe-biden-andrew-cuomo-reaction/index.html
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Imagine Guyana with their new found oil wealth still putting 50 billion in their agriculture sector.
We here 18 months into covid and we putting how much it was again in a new tourism promo phrase? Somebody better look up the meaning of a ” diversified economy.”
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You is the one that talked about HOPEing for the best.
I just give my opinion about not going back to 2020 lockdowns.
Goverment should plan for both events good / bad . Adjustments Can be made according to how thing are going..
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CA
Is sexual harassment an arrestable offence?
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@John2
Apparently what he did violated both state and federal law.
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You are severely challenged in the comprehension category.
You are the one who expressed the opinion that we are past the worst. Since you are not clairvoyant, I suggest to you that it is a HOPE.
I am done with you. You are too challenged to be bothered with any longer. I have taught three year olds without suffering the stupidity you exhibit.
I am tired of talking to you. I do not enjoy interacting with stupid people.
You may have the last word. No doubt it will be stupid.
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