Difficult Conversations: Stay in Your Lane – Part 2

If a mechanic and a lawyer give their opinions on why a car is not starting, we would likely believe the mechanic.  If the subject is an interpretation of a law, we would likely believe the lawyer.  In Barbados, we tend to believe persons who give opinions in their field of training.

Every profession has its activists who aim to influence Government’s policies.  Some activists become radicals, where they pursue similar aims, but by any and all means imaginable, including nightmarish.

Professions are responsible for policing their radical activists, lest they bring their professions into disrepute.  Radicals can do this by consistently making claims, that are easily disproved with credible evidence.  For that reason, radical activists rarely provide evidence to support their claims.

It was therefore a modern miracle, when historian Trevor Marshall did the unthinkable.  He recently revealed the main evidence that the government relied on to trash Horatio Nelson’s reputation, and remove his over 200-year old statue.

THE EVIDENCE.

Trevor Marshall revealed (in a letter to the editor, published in the Nation on 2 Dec 2020) that historian, Dr Marianne Czisnik, “documented Nelson’s involvement in the slave trade” in her book titled, ‘Horatio Nelson: A Controversial Hero’.

I read the well-researched book, which is based on Dr Czisnik’s 2004 doctoral dissertation.  Dr Czisnik critically reviewed the available evidence, to strip away any myths about Nelson.

The book contained no information that “documented Nelson’s involvement in the slave trade”, as Mr Marshall claimed.  Mr Marshall is free to dispute this, by providing the page number on which his evidence can be found.  Our journalists, poets and politicians who actively promote his claims as truth, should encourage him to do the same.

APPEAL.

I have come to accept that in Barbados, an Engineer is unlikely to be believed in a dispute with a historian, when the subject of the dispute is history.  It does not matter that the historian’s claims can be easily disproved, they can only be disputed by other historians.  If they are not disputed, they are accepted as true by our politicians, and used to direct government policies.

Radicals can make obvious false timeline claims, like Nelson killing Martin Luther King during the civil rights era in the 1960s, and no amount of evidence that an Engineer can provide can make a difference.  Notably, Mr Marshall has made easily disproven timeline claims against Nelson, which our historians would not dispute – so I decided to do it, but I should not have to.

It is time for honest and brave professionals to evidence-referee claims made by their radical activist colleagues.  They need to be brave because radical activists normally respond to request for evidence, with insulting accusations intended to intimidate everyone.

Historians with integrity may be denounced as racists if they are white, or traitors to their race if they are black.  The aim is to intimidate independently-minded journalists, teachers, poets and politicians not to attempt such folly – and it has worked.  In modern Barbados, evidence about radicals’ claims can neither be requested nor discussed – without persecution.

Grenville Phillips II is a Chartered Structural Engineer. He can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

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  • #BLACKLIVESMATTER movement is addressing the anglo american white supremacy racism of 400 years
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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Grenville,
    The Barbados Government did nothing “to trash Horatio Nelson’s reputation”… they simply moved a relic of colonialism.

    The timeline of events reveals that “the main evidence that the government relied on” for tis move has absolutely nothing to do with Trevor Marshall, who has been publicising his theories of Nelson’s misdeeds for many decades with zero result.

    It is obvious to everyone but the most naive of us that that “the main evidence that the government relied on” was simply the statement from the Barbados Private Sector Association which read in part “We also signal BPSA’s support for the removal to a more suitable environment the statue of Lord Nelson…”

    The Barbados Government responded within days with a commitment to move the statue. Notice that decades of agitation by Black protesters, official enquiries and studies by Government appointed committees, petty vandalism with paint in the National colours, threats of destruction in the manner of the Irish, uncounted marches, speeches, petitions, and letters to the editor, social media fulmination and argumentation beyond compiling, Ministers of Government from both parties calling for removal… all this achieved exactly zero.

    But when 18 words in the 4th paragraph of an anodyne public relations news release from the organization that represents White Capital in Barbados says ‘jump’ the instantaneous response of our political leaders is ‘how high?’

    I wish that I could claim that this is surprising over 54 years since the formal end of the British colonial occupation, but of course it is just par for the course. Those of us who wish to achieve activist goals are painfully aware that in order to be effective, the main thing we must do is convince the BPSA that in the long run it is better for their profitability to support the objectives we seek to achieve. We are never quite certain whether we are ‘selling out’ or ‘buying in.’

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  • @PLT

    If Trevor Marshall has been calling for decades for the removal of the Nelson statue, that means it was over DLP and BLP periods, so there is no party bias. Or, maybe, his argument was not persuasive enough.
    Do you think maybe the national mood has changed and it had nothing to do with the BPSA?

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  • @Peter

    It should be obvious the government grasped the opportunity to ride #BLM sentiment. Some will say it was about political opportunism others …

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Hal & @David
    Marshall’s arguments failed to convince either the DLP or BLP. The BLM movement had peaked in Barbados and subsided well before the BPSA statement. In fact the PM faced much criticism that she had been silent amid the civil rights protests which erupted in the US. She did not ride the wave of BLM sentiment, she missed that wave altogether. In fact she dismissed and demoted the Cabinet member most closely associated with BLM sentiment.

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  • @Peter

    The blogmasters comment was more about the decision by this government to relocate the statue.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    Exactly… look at the timeline. That decision was clearly triggered by the explicit permission of the BPSA.

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  • PLT:

    Every structure built before 1966 was built when we were a colony, and can be deemed a relic of colonialism.

    Nelson was moved because radical activist historians created myths about Nelson which have not withstood scrutiny.

    They claimed he was a slave owner – and the evidence does not support that claim. Even Trevor Marshall eventually admitted that he could find no evidence that he owned any slaves, yet the accusations by radical activists, who do not care about truth, continue.

    They claim that he was an enslaver, and for the first time, evidence was provided. I found that evidence to be non-existent. Rather than investigate the evidence for your self, you are introducing a ‘straw man’ about relics of colonialism.

    Let me ask you one question. If we had a statue of Wilberforce, would you support taking it down because it is a relic of colonialism?

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Grenville
    I’d recommend putting a Statue of Wilberforce in the museum right beside that of Nelson to give context. The interpretive signage should celebrate the fact that Wilberforce and the forces of good won while Nelson and the forces of evil lost in their historical confrontation.

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  • Isn’t Nelson removal a done deal? Why is Grenville seeking to revive a dead issue for it to be beaten to death? The country is facing many more significant challenges for anyone to remain fixated on Nelson’s removal.

    Give it a rest

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Grenville
    I have proven that the “radical activist historian” had exactly zero impact on government decisions over the 30 year arc of his campaign. He taught three cabinet members I believe during that time while they were young students, and their public stances show zero evidence of having been influenced by him in the slightest regard.

    You simply have a vendetta against him because you blame him for the removal of the statue of your naval hero. You are blaming the wrong person.

    You should be blaming the people who convinced the BPSA that it was in their long term interests to support removal of the Nelson monument. Among those you can count every former leader of the BPSA who is still alive, except one.

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  • @PLT

    Have you thought for a moment, just a moment, that the historical junctures were coincidental (I think young scholars now call it intersectionality), that the national mood had changed? I suggest you go back to the discussion on BU at the time.
    I remember asking at the time what happened once the statue has been removed. Theatrics, symbolism, dear boy. I will give you an example. In the mid-1960s the Black Power movement split in two: those who were interested in serious political change (H. Rap Brown, Stokeley Carmichael, et al), and those who wanted to go down Ron Karenga’s cultural root with dashikis, and African names (one of the most popular books at the time was a small book on African names), clinch fists, music, Kwanzaa etc (Karenga, the Last Poets, Motown, et al).
    One route led to the multicultural experiment and to a cultural movement that now embraces art, music of all kinds, fashion, etc (Diana Ross and the Supremes appeared on the Ed Sullivan show, etc).
    However, the integrationist political movement also failed in that it led to a gradualist, step by step development, the bourgeois preference, which led to Obama and Colin Powell and chairpersons of a few top companies.
    Black radicals were marginalised even within the black community and left to fight the continuing police brutality, the medical racism, which ironically is back in the news now with CoVid, and the under-education of black children.
    So, for the vast majority of black people, the lumpen proletariat, life had hardly changed, while for the Harvard and Oxford-educated black bourgeoisie a few doors were opened..
    The world celebrated Mandela, while at the same time removing nuclear facilities from South Africa while at the same time major South African companies shifted their listings to Europe; they celebrated Mandela while they humiliated Winnie, the woman who faced white terror for 27 years waiting for him an defending his place in history.
    History is not as simplistic as a business organisation giving its approval and even a limp government just giving in, not even in conservative Barbados.

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  • @Sargeant

    Some issues require a pragmatic approach especially if there is black, white and a lot of grey. The crux of the matter is that Nelson statue representing a dark past planted in Heroes Square was not good enough. Some may turn it into an esoteric debate forgetting the sentient of a real Black man or woman.

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  • From the mouth of Comrade Prescod

    Prescod: Duke of Edinburgh move a backward step
    GOVERNMENT BACKBENCHER Trevor Prescod yesterday heavily criticised Government’s decision to lease Culloden Farm, once the official residence of Barbados’ Father of Independence Errol Barrow, to the Duke of Edinburgh’s International Award Barbados.
    The dilapidated St Michael property, considered by many to be one of the country’s historic sites, will be refurbished for about $4 million and leased for 25 years to the charity which executes programmes for young people.
    Prescod, a Pan-Africanist whose voice was among those calling for the removal of the statue of Lord Nelson from National Heroes Square, along with other vestiges of Barbados’ colonial past, said the move by the Mia Amor Mottley administration would make the late Prime Minister, who was cremated and his ashes scattered in the Caribbean Sea, turn in his grave if he knew what was happening.
    New cultural trajectory
    “This party has signalled to me there is an attempt to go on a new cultural trajectory. I was very impressed by the fact that we removed the statue of Nelson. I was impressed by the fact that we demolished a massive building at the corner of Fairchild Street in order to develop a park in the main city in Barbados, in Bridgetown, as a centre that represents the struggles of the 1930s.
    “Obviously, everybody knows we have Independence Square,” Prescod said in the House of Assembly during debate on the resolution to lease the property to the charity.
    “I thought we were on a journey of consistency without any ideological encumbrances that would affect the smooth thinking of what it is we’re trying to achieve in terms of self-determination, of building sovereignty and so on.
    “I begin to hear voices speak in a very progressive manner about our heroes, and I thought that the Government would be moving towards not just that physical transformation of The City, but also symbolic representations and ideological representations, and what it is we want to achieve.
    “I don’t know if . . . I was extrapolating from this behaviour a sense of a clear vision of what we want to do. But I’m a little confused at this point.
    “. . . But this Duke of Edinburgh’s International Award and the placing of this Duke of Edinburgh’s International title because Prince Philip is the founding father of this institution.
    “I am now going to pass by a building that represents our founding father of Independence, not their founding father of any Duke of Edinburgh’s Award, . . . a black man in 1966 who lived in this house in Culloden Farm and would have held many meetings in that house about making sure we slice the fabric of colonialism,” the St Michael East parliamentary representative said.
    Prescod said the more than 15 000 square metres of property was a historic site and “should be representative of who we are, not Prince Philip”. He asked if an alternative site could not be contemplated “to preserve this building
    in remembrance of Errol Walton Barrow”. (GBM)

    Source: Nation

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Hal

    History is not simplistic, neither am I. History is not a series of coincidences either. Intersectionality has absolutely nothing to do with coincidence: intersectionality points to the interconnected nature of historical events, specifically how power relationships shaped by socially constructed categorisations like class, race, and gender create lasting systems of dominance, privilege, discrimination, and oppression.

    Your example of the ways that the Black Power Movement fractured shows the power of intersectional analysis very clearly. The radicals were marginalised not coincidentally or by accident, but because the posed an actual threat to systems of dominance, privilege, discrimination, and oppression. The culturalists and integrationists could be co-opted without substantially altering the power bases in the society. So, as you accurately note, “for the vast majority of black people […] life had hardly changed…”

    Of course the national mood has changed… the national mood always changes. The BPSA exploited that change in the national mood to trigger the government decision. This had the desired effects of portraying White Capital in a positive light while also reminding their political lapdogs who has the key to the dog food cupboard.

    You are on the verge of understanding the intersectionality of history because you clearly see that the removal of the statue is theatrics and symbolism. Nothing about the systems of dominance, privilege, discrimination, and oppression in Barbados has changed. By allowing the government to move the statue the BPSA actually diffused and calmed mounting pressure for substantive change. They did this in their own interests, because managing the pressure for substantive change by the Black Bajan majority is their primary strategic challenge.

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  • @PLT

    I will deal with your first paragraph, since the rest is just puffing and largely irrelevant. We agree history is not simplistic, nor does it flow in logical sequence. It ebbs and flows, goes forward and back, goes up and down.
    Remember, the Weimar Republic gave way to Hitler, Obama to Trump, that is the nature of political history. Intersectionality is when two, or more, divergent interests meet at a shared point and articulate a common purpose by COINCIDENCE.
    I will give an example, when different, often competing forces meeting under the umbrella of diversity, or when womanism and feminism meet at a shared point.
    A further example is the noise being made about the white working class in the UK as a way to divert attention from the legitimacy of black protest. But both groups can come together and attack the big companies and politicians. It is a marriage of convenience.
    I also think there is a tendency to exaggerate the influence and importance of the BPSA and traditional Barbadian businesses overall. It is like the nonsense of the Social Partnership.
    But symbols can be important, since they can mobilise people. A business class that has sold out to, or usurped by, the Trinidadians should not have any influence in the real world. But they do.
    To end on the substantive issue: moving the Nelson column is as important in our future history as another Bajan fast bowler making the West Indies team. So what?
    The decision to move the statue caught the momentum of the Black Lives Matter and the call from the crowd for action. While ignoring the widow of the man shot by Officer Gittens, Mia, a former attorney general, gave the people Nelson’s column. What was it Marie Antoinette said? Theatre, dear boy, dressed up as serious politics.
    You must refocus on the bigger picture and ignore the trivia. That is what political thinking is all about. BPSA will be a footnote in Barbadian political and business history.

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  • What is a Black
    What is a Barbajan
    What is a Coconut
    Old farts have had their day already
    It is time for the youths to rise up big and strong

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  • Well somebody still got a hardon for nelson, ya have no shame.

    so easy for someone to gas yall completely out of existence while ya still talking shite.

    “The radicals were marginalised not coincidentally or by accident, but because the posed an actual threat to systems of dominance, privilege, discrimination, and oppression. The culturalists and integrationists could be co-opted without substantially altering the power bases in the society. So, as you accurately note, “for the vast majority of black people […] life had hardly changed…”

    those black faces in the parliament have no shame either, but am not the one to tell them the ending, we live and learn.

    “You are on the verge of understanding the intersectionality of history because you clearly see that the removal of the statue is theatrics and symbolism. Nothing about the systems of dominance, privilege, discrimination, and oppression in Barbados has changed. By allowing the government to move the statue the BPSA actually diffused and calmed mounting pressure for substantive change. They did this in their own interests, because managing the pressure for substantive change by the Black Bajan majority is their primary strategic challenge.”

    i just wanted it moved to SHOW THEM that they’re not as secure as they think or as Mia is misleading them to believe.

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  • King of da Unda Ground

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Hal Austin January 13, 2021 12:15 PM
    “Intersectionality is when two, or more, divergent interests meet at a shared point and articulate a common purpose by COINCIDENCE.”
    ++++++++++++++++++
    You clearly have your own definition of intersectionality… sadly, it not the definition that anyone else using the English language uses.
    From the Oxford English Dictionary:
    “intersectionality, n.
    […]
    2. Sociology. The interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage; a theoretical approach based on such a premise.”

    As I pointed out, it is ALL about “… race, class, and gender, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage…”

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  • @PLT

    I will give an example, when different, often competing forces meeting under the umbrella of diversity, or when womanism and feminism meet at a shared point.
    A further example is the noise being made about the white working class in the UK as a way to divert attention from the legitimacy of black protest. But both groups can come together and attack the big companies and politicians. It is a marriage of convenience….(Quote)

    Sometimes @PLT I do not know what to say about you. Don’t just cut and paste, try to interpret, apply theory to actuality, it is called praxis.
    My examples are gender, race and class. Intersectionality first arose to define the relationship between black feminists (womanists) and white feminists. The theory can also be applied to class and race.

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Hal
    If you wish to argue with the Oxford English Dictionary about the definitions of English words go right ahead. I will not stand in your way.

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  • Sociology. The interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage; a theoretical approach based on such a premise.”….(Quote)

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  • PLT:

    Your accusations are consistently wrong. I have no problem with moving Nelson.

    My concern has always been an absence of credible evidence on which the government bases its decisions. Nothing else.

    Nelson was simply the latest example. Wise up.

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  • @Grenville Phillips “in Barbados, an Engineer is unlikely to be believed in a dispute with a historian, when the subject of the dispute is history. It does not matter that the historian’s claims can be easily disproved.”

    Can you explain how an engineer easily disproves a historian’s claims on matters of history?

    And is doing so as easy as a historian designing a walkway or a skyscraper, or a spacecraft?

    Help me out here.

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  • @Granville Phillips “Radicals can make obvious false timeline claims, like Nelson killing Martin Luther King during the civil rights era in the 1960s, and no amount of evidence that an Engineer can provide can make a difference.”

    Except of course that no historian has ever made such a claim, and it is dishonest of you to imply that historians, radical or conservative made or make such claims.

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  • @ Hal
    You are correct. It’s the same old thing today. We tend to embrace gradualism because it allows us to run with the hare and hunt with the hound.
    Note how some radicals end up in the DLP , BLP and now defunct NDP( I plead guilty)
    Public discourse is often hijacked by the gradualists.
    However, PLT has a point. The political class seldom moves unless the OK is given by the powerful corporate lobby.
    It’s the same with republic status. Three prime ministers have promised it. Now, Mottley may get it done. I have no doubt she has the blessings of the corporate elites .
    That’s why progress is slow. We are into symbols. I maintain that Nelson should be at the bottom of the Careenage if we were truly serious but to take a declared villain and put him in our state museum is a backward step.
    Now we are going to take our first prime minister’s official residence and rent it out for $1200 per month to the Duke of Edinburgh Awards People. So we move Nelson and bring in the Duke.
    Culloden farm should have been a college for young aviators or chefs. These were two of Barrows loves.
    Keep up the good work Comrade. We have a long way to go and we are hell bent on making it longer.
    “ God gave Noah the rainbow sign. No more water , the fire next time.”

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  • Cuhdear:

    First you ask me a question. Well done, and thank you .

    Then you incorrectly answer your question, and falsely accuse me of being dishonest. That is not the way.

    The claim that Nelson was responsible for the mass-murder of about 10,000 enslaved Barbadians, when he enforced the Navigation act, is an easily disproved timeline claim. It can be easily disproved by examining the census records – which I did and presented the cited evidence in one of my articles on Nelson.

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  • PLT:

    Would you have us believe that if there were a statue of Wilberforce in Queen’s Park, that you would agitate for its relocation to the museum? In all honesty, would you really do that?

    Supposed some radicals agreed with you, and started a petition, based on the easily disproved claim that Wilberforce murdered Winston Churchill during WWII. Would you try to correct them, or would the end justify their dishonest means? Essentially, does truth matter?

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  • peterlawrencethompson

    @Grenville
    I’m delighted to hear that you have no problem with moving Nelson just as I was delighted when the BPSA said they had no problem with moving Nelson.

    I said often and loudly during the years of debate on the Nelson monument that he never owned slaves himself, just that he was a committed White supremacist who devoted his military and political career to sustaining British Imperialism and its practice of enslaving African people for the enrichment of the British empire. Simple historical facts.

    Of course the only place for a Wilberforce statue in Barbados would be the museum because I don’t buy into the mythology of Black people being rescued by White saviors. Wilberforce is relevant to British history. In Barbados there was very little relief from the oppression of Black people in 1834. Emancipation was just another stage in the struggle for freedom waged by Black people themselves in Barbados.

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  • PLT:

    If you judge Nelson by the actions of his Government, even though there is credible evidence that he strongly opposed all slavery (evidence cited in my Nelson articles), then, as Jesus stated, you will be judged by the same measure.

    Do you similarly condemn the PM, BLP politicians, GAIA, Minister of Tourism, all Immigration, Customs, and security officers in Barbados for the sex-slavery and human trafficking through our ports?

    Nelson documented his opposition to slavery, and his bitter disappointment that his Government would not let him end it due to commercial interests. Have you heard any similar opposition to sex-slavery through our ports? Have you been silent on this issue?

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  • The colonial slaves need to have some African languages taught in the schools in the Caribbean, you don’t think ya black, ya certainly don’t believe ya Africa, you are going nowhere fast, all they seem to be able to talk about or cling to is dead nelson.

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  • @ William

    You are right about Bajan conservatism, it has always been at the root of our exceptionalism. It is central to our culture, even the few individual and organisational radical we have had have always tried to play by the rules. The only difference has been, and continues to be, in the shouting. We like to talk.
    I disagree with only one aspect of your submission, that about the political class dancing to the tune of the business community.
    They often do, not because of fear, but the lack of confidence in their own abilities and knowledge. It is one thing bullying ordinary working people, but another standing up to national, regional and international power structures.
    Jut look at the behaviour of the late @Butch’ Stewart, or the way that the EU/OECD can order us about, simply because we are incompetent.
    Or, more immediately, look at the mess the president is making of the CoVid crisis and trying to sell scratch grain to us as pop corn. Where is she when leadership is called for? Is this a time for a government of national unity?

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  • Instead of being clever

    Barbajans copy other peoples ideas of what they could and should be doing trying to sound clever

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  • @ nextparty246 January 14, 2021 1:01 AM
    “Nelson documented his opposition to slavery, and his bitter disappointment that his Government would not let him end it due to commercial interests. Have you heard any similar opposition to sex-slavery through our ports? Have you been silent on this issue?”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    GP No.2, are you sure you want to maintain, so effervescently, your ‘moral’ support of ‘Lord’ Horatio Nelson (as is your wont with the torpedoed Trump) by projecting the sailor not only as a fervent Abolitionist but also an innocent victim of character defamation?

    If Nelson was so opposed to slavery why then was he opposed to Wilberforce and the anti-slavery movement?

    Are you suggesting that Nelson was never a reliable and protective friend of the slave-owing planter class in the British West Indies especially in Jamaica where his buddy Simon Taylor was an active anti-abolitionist?

    Are you saying that the British intellectual, historian and TV presenter David Olusoga is a fraud and liar?

    But, in the final analysis, you might just be on the ‘Right’ side of the controversial debate about the wrongs of the Atlantic slave trade which, according to your ‘straight facts’, was underwritten by the British Crown and thereby making the UK government liable for reparations.

    After all Nelson was only doing his duty by enlisting a few negroes as powder monkeys and man-servants aboard HMS Victory thereby rescuing them from a life of abject slavery on some plantation in the BWI, like Barbadoes.

    When, then, can we expect you to take up the cudgels just like your hero Horatio and wage war against the modern-day sex slave trade in Barbadoes?

    For you might just find yourself fighting a futile battle against many of your ‘friends’ in the Bajan political class where ‘money’ is still King even if Sugar is dead.

    “[Little] England expects that every man will do his duty”.

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  • That the writer of the article zealously focuses on the singular issue of whether Nelson owned slaves or not is regrettable. It suggests a lack of appreciation for the wider issues around White supremacy and colonialism and Nelson’s role in helping Britain to advance both.

    Harassing Trevor Marshall about somethingtthis narrow while ignoring the blatant, larger context of evil seems childish and argumentative.

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  • “Instead of being clever.”

    some of you need to know before you post, in case you mean me and knowing how slimy some of you are, you probably do, i have posted on this blog that i study/practice the Yoruba language of MY ANCESTORS for the last 2 years…when did you even create yoga or anything else besides trying to pimp reparations money from Black Caribbean people……THAT IS NOT GOING TO MATERIALIZE IN THAT FORM…..and should everyone return to the Continent all you can do is follow and hope to rob them…

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  • “When, then, can we expect you to take up the cudgels just like your hero Horatio and wage war against the modern-day sex slave trade in Barbadoes?”

    another pimp, trying to get into people’s bedrooms to see what kind of sex they’re having as wannabe prime minister, no wonder he and his fellow pimp into anonymous blogger’s sex lives, the mighty Donna, can’t agree.

    ..the human trafficking of women and children in Barbados don’t seem to bother either of them, they’re only interested in the sex and analyzing who ya having sex (the skin tone of the person) with and what kind of sex..fcuking psychos…the blog seems to be packed choca bloc with them…psychoanalysts would have a field day.

    Barbados needs a mental cleansing….i won’t hold my breath.

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  • i have posted on this blog that i study/practice the Yoruba language of MY ANCESTORS for the last 2 years

    i should say the language of some of my African ancestors…am determined to include every last one of them up to and including the EUROPEAN ONES……..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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  • “some of you need to know before you post, in case you mean me and knowing how slimy some of you are, you probably do

    for the record I did not mean YOU

    so don’t worry yourself

    The old argument about reparations monies that Corporations were willing to pay is past it’s sell by date as they are keeping the funds in-house for their own diversity programs

    the point made about setting up a BlackRock fund went over your head as you don’t know about the fund management industry and the significance of firms like BlackRock and Vanguard and their market share in Global Assets

    The Rich make sleep money which grows when the catch some zzzzz’s

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  • @ Hal January 14, 2021 5:49 AM
    I haven’t been on this blog since last year. My birthday was on the third of this month. I find it particularly interesting that some of the most vocal advocates for the removal of Nelson and a re-write of history seem to have some white connections judging by their phenotypical characteristics or name antecedents.. For example hazel eyes is a case in point. I have outlined my antecedents and I am very proud of them. You have heard me talk about my half-Indian and white sisters. I refer you to last Sunday’s “Nation” newspaper under the section “Social Scene” Where there is an article celebrating a centenarian. The photograph show some ladies: they are my sisters I have said that I do not live in the past and that the new-world experiment is going to evolve over time into a new race of humans. One cannot re-write history.

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  • @ Hal
    “Is this a time for a government of national unity?”
    This is in line with what @Pacha suggested about the need for new elections. Some years ago I called for a government of national unity.
    However, I have concluded that a formal government of national unity with the current players will be a monumental disaster. These political miscreants have no understanding of what “national” means in any context. We are going to flounder and blunder until a new regional progressive leadership arises. I think the Independence Experiment has been temporarily derailed by a conservative mentality that is self defeating. The only exception during this period has been the Grenada Revolution.
    You and I know full well that every single issue we are now debating has been highlighted since the 60s.
    We have a long road to go and some are trying their best to best to make it longer and longer…….

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  • “The old argument about reparations monies that Corporations were willing to pay is past it’s sell by date as they are keeping the funds in-house for their own diversity programs”

    i do believe some will pay but that money will be for the YOUNGER GENERATION to be RE-educated, programs to uplift them, fill in the gaps of what occurred before so that no more mistakes are made, make sure they can take care of themselves and not have to sell their asses to dirty tourists or beg thieving racist minorities for jobs, it’s not for crooks to claim they’re investing so they can skim from the top for mercedes and mansions…not for tiefing politicians to use as bait to sell out the people….

    Black people can make their own investments, young people are savvy and can make their investments in the LAND OF THEIR ANCESTORS…they do not need western crooks to advise or do anything else, you should hear how some of them talking, they know what they want, they know politicians cannot be trusted, they beg you for votes so they can sell you out….don’t worry about reparations, everything is taking on a life of its own, and the young people are watching very closely.

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  • @ Robert

    A belated happy and safe New Year to you. I am sure you did not miss anything of importance on BU. Nice to know you are well. Lives are in the making here….Up and on.

    @ William

    This is the most serious crisis that Barbados has faced since the abolition of slavery. If we cannot have a government of all the talents now, then we will never do.
    Part of the problem is the ego of the president and her need to be in control of everything, from the narrative to picking the top for for vaccinations.
    What also disappoints me is that we do not seem to have people capable of organising independently of government of the university.
    We need our brightest and best to come together and set up independent operations, instead of waiting for the blessings of the president, who is clearly out of her depth.
    At a time like this why should someone with the talent of @Robert Lucas be on the margins. You must always take in to consideration the psychology of the people.

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  • Predictably pejorative and disparaging in comment. The irony, both of you get the opportunity to exchange pleasantry where?

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  • @Hal January 14, 2021 12:03 PM

    Thanks. I alluded to ” 1984″ and you commented on it. Seems that “Big Brother” is a fact these days.

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  • @ Robert

    Big tech is now telling us if what we say is acceptable. Of course, I am not surprised that many on BU should play the man and not the ball.
    It is interesting that Angella Merkel, the German Chancellor, is leading the attack on Facebook and Twitter; this morning there was a serious debate on the BBC on the subject.
    To any intelligent person I do not put myself in that category) the issue is not about Trump, it is about the expanding might of Big Tech.

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  • People been warning for years about the tech giants. They warned that your phones are hacked, you can even hear when the device is on and someone listening, everything has to be still though. Nothing should come as a surprise, if you never saw your camera come on it’s because you aren’t looking. The dude now in Russia, he told everyone what was going on.

    now everyone wants to act surprised……🤣🤣

    one time my phone came on and i was like, i can hear yall…🤣🤣.

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  • Dullard:

    You have missed the point entirely. Neither I nor Trevor Marshall are claiming that Nelson owned slaves.

    The issue is one of evidence. We should make decisions based on evidence.

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  • @Hal Austin January 14, 2021 2:22 PM “To any intelligent person I do not put myself in that category)”

    At last we agree on something! Because none of us put you in the category of intelligent people either.

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  • @ Hal January 14, 2021 2:22 PM

    You will not hear meaningful dialogue on the topic. We have a lot of idiots in high places in this country. Talking about that ,it seems that impeachment of Trump is one big joke. It seems that the authorities knew before hand of the assault. How can you charge a man about his speech being an incitement when the authorities are admitting there was first hand knowledge that the incident would occur and that Trump was not informed.. Let me repeat what I have said before, that if I were Trump I would tell my supporters to take up arms. What a set of idiots: charging a person with out having all the evidence.

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  • Wait bosie! Wonder Woman got very much time fuh me lately! And now somehow she has concluded that sex trafficking does not bother me. 🤷🏽‍♂️ Then some fool will say I started it. Steupse! I have not even bothered to read the whole dust up on the USA Burning blog yet! Came here and found the lunatic has taken it to another blog.

    But here’s where my mind is –

    A good woman is dead. Her two sons who sat in my lap and called me Auntie have lost their mother. Her sons and my son are friends. He is not happy today.

    No time for WURA. She will have to seek attention from her husband.

    You are safe from my prying eyes today! Get busy in the bedroom!

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  • @ Robert

    I am following the debate closely, both on BU and out of the US. I have suggested that we should now talk about Trumpism, since it is unimaginable that someone who got 74m votes, while his rival got 79m, can be ignored. Trump is gone, but Trumpism remains.
    Worse, how can a private company such as Facebook or Twitter tell us who deserves the right to be heard? We have had the same in the UK with Brexit.
    Four years ago the UK was split down the middle on Brexit, with a 52 to 48 majority. It is as if people now way the decision has been made, so those who believe in remain should shut up and go away.
    We have got Brexit (two weeks in the Brexiteers are already complaining), Farage is gone, but his form of English nationalism remains under the banner of Boris and the European Research Group.
    Banishing people is not the way to settle differences. It is about persuasion, winning hearts and minds.

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  • @Donna January 15, 2021 11:02 AM “Get busy in the bedroom!”

    I suspect that your “BU friend” is past it, which is why she has so much time for BU.

    Lol!!!

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  • Quote):
    Let me repeat what I have said before, that if I were Trump I would tell my supporters to take up arms. What a set of idiots: charging a person with out having all the evidence. (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Isn’t that the option which prevails in “Shit-hole” countries like Uganda and Central African banana republics?

    Didn’t Biden ‘win’ the presidency via the ballot and not the gun?

    Is democracy dying in the ‘United’ States of America?

    Doesn’t Trump have access to justice via the Supreme Court where there is a majority of pro-Republican seats?

    What do you think is on the horizon? Another Kristallnacht where blacks -especially those in churches worshipping a white god which appointed and disappointed the same Trump- will be the easy targets this time around?

    Do you think they, the blacks, would be deserving of such treatment for voting against Trump?

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  • “Then some fool will say I started it.”

    don’t start none, won’t be none.

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  • I see your husband has disappointed you. Back trying to get my attention.

    So sorry but…

    “Yes we have no bananas!”

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  • My husband won’t want you Donna, ya too airhead…get a life.

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  • Cuhdear Bajan January 15, 2021 11:22 AM #: “I suspect that your “BU friend” is past it, which is why she has so much time for BU.”

    @ Cuhdear Bajan

    You forgot to include FaceBook and the other social media sites. It seems as though there isn’t time for household chores as well.

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  • Unable to follow the voyages of Nelson.
    ————————xx————————-
    I am not keeping score, but it seems as if the count is different from 1/1/1.
    Hoping we reach stop/stop/stop.

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  • Theo…those who are clueless to what’s really happening are basically comic relief until they see the seriousness, attempt to jump on board and still fall flat as usual…..they were left behind 5 years ago, except for Donna-come-lately, who will never catch up and will stay at ground zero with the others…. …always bewildered….🤣🤣🤣🤣

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  • Don’t blink, keep your eyes on 2021 and listen to the haters when they realize they’ve wasted years on a blog doing nothing….🤣🤣

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  • Likewise, I would not want your husband. I like dark chocolate.

    But I see you missed my point.

    I said your husband had disappointed YOU and had not met you in the bedroom. And so YOU were back seeking my attention.

    But one Bajan saying I have found to be very smart is this –

    “DOAN SWEAR FUH NUH MAN!”

    You don’t have a clue who your husband would want!

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  • @ Miller January 15, 2021 11:50 AM

    Do you know any thing about probability and statistical anomalies? If not go and take a course in the topics. As for the SCOTUS of America ,it dodged dealing with the topic since it did not want to become embroil in making a decision. As I said last year on this blog. the only way Trump would loose based on constitutional grounds, was failure of SCOTUS to hear the case pleading standing or some such crap.

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  • And she has the gall to tell me to get a life. My BU activity is my only social media presence. All her daily life is lived on social media. I am beginning to wonder if she has a virtual husband!

    I don’t have any bananas but I do have some eggplants. I hear they mean something in the virtual world.

    Since her husband seems to have zoomed out and she has fixed her sights on me, I’ll take pity on her and help her out.
    🍆 Go play with that and make yourself happy!

    And there’s plenty more where that came from!

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  • @Dr. Lucas

    You are aware three justices were appointed by Trump and they all chased his lawyers from the precinct of the SCOTUS?

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  • “Since her husband seems to have zoomed out ”

    low frequeny vibration..your husband didn’t even want you, i have never been divorced.

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  • Learn sonething new ya damn dummy. Focus on the posts that will wake you up.

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  • Mia need to stop RE-ENFORCING a false identity on Black/African people in Barbados…it’s FRAUDULENT just like the evil criminal shite the black face frauds in the parliament have been doing to the people for 54 years…

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  • GOB can go to hell with this fake survey. Everything they do is to criminalize Black people on the island. Why is there no survey on how many billions of dollars belonging to people is missing from VAT, the treasury and pension fund, no survey on how much they all steal from the people with the crooked ass minorities, no survey on going republic…yall frauds…no survey on human rights violations, survey that.

    https://tinyurl.com/cannabisbds

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  • Post something powerful to the blog and all the cowards/crazies/dummies and haters with their big talk and delusions RUN……🤣😂😂🤣

    the BU deep thinkers will evaluate and arrive at the correct conclusion.

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  • Yep..still waiting for Donna the Dummy to post and contribute something to the blog that can stimulate and dazzle me intellectually…wont hold my breath, been waiting on the other crazies/dummies for years to do the same, they haven’t disappointed…they’re still to come up with anything other than the petty bajan shite that’s all they know ànd all anyone expects from them…

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  • Robert LucasJanuary 16, 2021 1:49 PM

    No, the SCOTUS threw out the case because it was utter crap. As anything else that Trump has done.

    Y’all want a good talking to from yuh Grandmuddas. Cou cou stick an all.

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  • Hal AustinJanuary 15, 2021 11:17 AM who got 74m votes, while his rival got 79m, can be ignored. Trump is gone, but Trumpism remains.

    I disagree partly there, because the US is like Barbados, B’s and D’s. Most of that 74M voted Republican, not just Trump, 4 or 5 probably are Trumpers or on the fence persuaded Trumpers.

    Country Tom’s dog could run and the Republicans will still get 70Million votes.

    Hal: It is about persuasion, winning hearts and minds.

    How do you propose to win the hearts and minds of Christian Evangelical zealots? Waste of time.

    Bunch of lunatics.

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  • Robert LucasJanuary 15, 2021 10:47 AM .. Let me repeat what I have said before, that if I were Trump I would tell my supporters to take up arms.

    Ah, so you support authoritarian rule? That you also complain about an independent judicial decision says it all. Your man did not win so, pull up stumps and take the bat and ball (even if they are not yours) and go home.

    What recent events have shown is that it is not only trash who support Trump, with their cousin / wife and double-half brothers etc, but people who have been to the best universities and at the top of their careers.

    Proves that bias affects the viewpoint of all.

    But interesting to know that people like yourself, DR.GP TMEE and John The Braptist all support authoritarian rule. I am sure that a few are reading your contribution with growing glee. Makes me worry for the future in Buhbayduss.

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  • Mia, take note, if you do not head the warnings coming at you, our ancestors will have to do something about you, this is not a trend, it’s a REVOLUTION.

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  • “I am sure that a few are reading your contribution with growing glee. Makes me worry for the future in Buhbayduss.”

    let them be gleeful, Donville’s turn is later this month, then it’ll be their turn….what goes around.

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  • now isn’t this cute….the fowls and “patriots” can critique…lol

    “The obtuse self-proclaimed “political class” its regulated agents, bloated with false pride and fake titles, gliding along every five years into respective parliaments with inflated chests and empty heads, while incapable of copying any elements of the positive that the former triangle traders have to offer, and seem to have been engineered to replicate and implement all the negatives the system has to offer.”

    Copyright ⓒ 2021

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  • https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js

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  • David:

    The criteria should not be “links to racism and colonialism” since that is too wide a net. The criteria should be actual crimes against humanity.

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  • Wonder Woman,

    I had to ask the police to keep my husband from harassing me to come back. In fact, my mother, to whose home I had temporarily returned, got fed up and did it, not me.

    One thing that has always stayed with me is a statement made on a CBC programme by Richard Browne, a Bajan psychologist, many many years ago when I was a teenager. He said that there is no such thing as a superiority complex, only an inferiority complex masquerading as a superiority complex.

    Did it ever occur to you that if I felt my divorce to reflect badly on me that I need not have disclosed it?

    But I, unlike you, have no need to pretend to be perfectly in control of life, superior in every way, having superior intelligence and abilities “like nobody ever had before”. When I weigh my life in the balance, I have had successes and failures, periods of happiness and sadness, I made some really smart decisions and I made a few stupid ones.

    Still all in all I have a few regrets but I am generally happy with the life I have lived.

    And continue to live!

    But you…. you are older than I am and still have not solved the problem of your inferiority complex.

    You have my sympathy.

    P.S. I find it particularly instructive that you did not even consider the possibility that a woman could have decided she did not want her husband. It suggests that you are one of the desperate women who would hang on at all cost. Whereas I never even took my husband’s name to show that I was married.

    Poor you!

    You may have the last word. We all know you need it.

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  • @Grenville

    Have a problem separating the two.

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  • @ Grenville
    I find it very commendable that you continue to take such a deep interest in our country’s affairs. There is a belief on this blog that once you lose an election , that you are a nincompoop.
    That’s why they are often fussing like children among themselves with personal innuendo and essentially useless offerings.
    We have not always agreed , but I honestly respect your efforts to uplift rather than to sink into nothingness.
    You have not failed-you tried. Keep on at it my Brother.

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  • @William

    You are aware Grenville shared public positions on a blog even before BU was established? The problem is that the duopoly is ensconced in the every day way of doing business like Democrats and Republicans in the US or Tories and Labour in the UK to use top of mind examples.

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  • @ David
    I am aware but as a fellow traveler with @ Grenville, in terms of being massacred at the polls, via the third party route, I thought it important , to show and record my solidarity on BU.

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  • “But I, unlike you, have no need to pretend to be perfectly in control of life, superior in every way, having superior intelligence and abilities “like nobody ever had before”.

    That’s what got ya in trouble in the first place, attributing things to me that are not true, you will have to ask those who know me personally, not many people do, they will tell you something completely different…..am not carrying any man’s name either, never did, never will, ah got my own, that should at least tell ya something about me…it’s all about perception, don’t let other people’s writings cloud yours.

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  • I repeat…a very well know professional on the island wrote a linkedin article suggesting that the Caribbean carry a one currency, open borders policy…if yall wnat to survive (my words)…there should only be one passport across the region.

    Africa is poised to remove borders and have one passport across the continent…it’s the intelligent thing to do.

    now when yall don’t do it and 8 months later come crying about shit, like ya are about covid now, that’s yall business…don’t try to blame me.

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  • The young BLACK/AFRICAN people in Barbados and the Caribbean deserve opportunities. It’s their birthright.

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  • Ah go soon start charging yall…especially that Mia whom i owe nothing but still trying to save her ass.

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  • The fraudulent act of trying to push back the progress of the region’s children by 30-40 years will have to be exposed for the world to see…since September, months later and CXC is pretending that they don’t know not all kids got their grades back and many had to settle for what CXC wanted them to have in the first place….but Karma is a bitch and she bites.

    “BARBADIAN STUDENTS will be taking their issues with the Caribbean Examinations Council (CXC) and its controversial 2020 revised testing and grading methodology to court.

    Spokesperson and coordinator of the Group of Concerned Parents of Barbados, Paula-Anne Moore, announced yesterday that Aegis Law Chambers will be representing the group pro bono.

    In a release, she urged the hundreds of students who still have discrepancies with their first grades and second remarked Caribbean Secondary Education Certificate (CSEC) and Caribbean Advanced Proficiency Examination (CAPE) grades to contact the firm via email.

    “Since September 22, 2020, students and their parents in Barbados and across the region have suffered the inexcusable fallout of CXC CSEC and CAPE results, which were manifestly flawed, and which has occasioned mental angst, as well as material dislocation, in the form of loss of scholarship opportunities, university acceptance, inter alia.”

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  • especially that Mia whom i owe nothing but still trying to save her ass.

    don’t get tie up, saving in the sense that when are ass sinks she’ll take all the idiot Black people who believe in her right along with them while outdoing herself trying to save her racists and thieves, that’s what black sellouts do….sellout to the end.

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  • her ass sinks

    right along with her

    there are no life vests in existence for that level of sinking to the bottom.

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  • @ Robert LucasJanuary 16, 2021 1:49 PM
    “@ Miller January 15, 2021 11:50 AM
    Do you know any thing about probability and statistical anomalies? If not go and take a course in the topics. As for the SCOTUS of America ,it dodged dealing with the topic since it did not want to become embroil in making a decision. As I said last year on this blog. the only way Trump would loose based on constitutional grounds, was failure of SCOTUS to hear the case pleading standing or some such crap.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You are right in assuming that the miller is, unlike you a guru, a mere sideshow of a tinker or dabbler when it comes to that branch of ‘inexact’ science of applied mathematics dealing with probability et al statistical theories.

    But what you can do without a trace of uncertainty is to bet your bottom dollar on a 100% guaranteed ‘probability’ outcome that come Thursday this week your man Trump ‘will’ be NO longer the POTUS and most likely and in all probability would be a mere political ‘has-been’ to whom history would be most unkind in its footnotes of political failures.

    In order to avoid the ‘taint’ of ignominy your man – “the great shameless, audacious bawler”- should have started a war overseas (even against a ‘nuclear-weakened’ scapegoat called Iran) instead of shitting bricks made of straws of racism in his own front house called home by attacking his naïve black house slaves as easy targets.

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  • Who said that common sense was a thing of the past.

    “We cannot see the technology as only laptops and tablets, because some children don’t have those things; we have to see technology as involving the media. There are more houses in Barbados with radios than laptops and tablets and there are newspapers readily available. It is my view that the television, radio stations and print media have got to be utilised as well,”

    (Quote) Jeff Broomes.

    https://www.barbadosadvocate.com/news/broomes-shares-views-virtual-learning

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  • So yall don’t know when trees look as rotten as the ones that are a lot older than the QEH that line those little roads and are supposed to BE CHECKED REGULARLY AND REMOVED when they pose A DANGER to the public….wuh those been looking rotten and ready to fall for the last 20 years..the elderly, the young and not so young traverse that street on a daily basis and any number of people could’ve been killed because of yall carelessness and DISREGARD FOR BLACK LIVES….the odd minority could’ve been killed too….steuppps.

    Miller…i just saw the video and once again these neglectful clowns cost lives. There is always someone around that area, they are so lucky the tree didn’t fall on them, today is their lucky day, what about tomorrow.

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