2020 US Presidential Election

If the late great Gladston Holder were alive he would take the opportunity to remind us that it does not matter who is elected to the White House, it the wealthiest families in the USA where the power is located- the Vanderbilts, Rockefellers et al. That said many will agree party colours aside, Trump’s legacy will be remembered as being one of the most bigoted and divisive.

Let it be no secret this blogmaster cannot wait to see the back of the man. He has disgraced the office of president of the USA and by extension the human race.

Discuss for 2 marks.

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  • Isn’t there audio of the Tramp asking who gives a fuck about Xmas? Wasn’t she heard to complain that she has to do it?

    All frauds, the husband, the wife and the children! The last child will likely be the worst.

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  • The problem is they did not just use one or two ways to thief.They combined every election cheating trick and created some new ones too.

    Finding one or two tricks is not enough to turn things around. They have to find all and the only way to truly do that is to do a complete manual inspection audit of the entire process from voter registration right through to the tabulation process.

    That in-depth audit is what they are trying their hardest to prevent. A recount is not an audit. Recounting fake votes is not going to change the result. An audit is required.

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  • Trump trumpeted the same fraud accusation when Hilary won the popular vote by three million. He had four long years to use the influence of his office and remind us what was the outcome?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    The mystery is ONLY in the alternate universe … of trumpets!

    As a boy StarTrek was an alternate universe for many of us … how many times did we envision or say ‘Scottie beam me up’ or imagind or old style capgun as a phaser in stun mode and then in deadly vaporize mode! 😂

    But reality brought us back to earth each time … there was no mystery why it didn’t work then either!

    None here either bro. The court cases were dismissed because when we stop fantasizing and get back reality the alternative universe ends.

    When one judge said in the real court of law: “I am asking you a specific question, and I am looking for a specific answer. Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?”

    The fantasizing lawyer had to drop his make believe phaser … he said: “To my knowledge at present, no”.

    There is absolutely no mystery, bro. None whatsoever!

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  • DavidNovember 30, 2020 11:56 AM

    Trump trumpeted the same fraud accusation when Hilary won the popular vote by three million. He had four long years to use the influence of his office and remind us what was the outcome?

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    Popular vote country wide was no big deal and affected nothing.

    The four long years were spent preparing for the fraud of the 2020 election which was bound to come.

    Seems as though if enough swing states declare their electoral votes are in dispute they are removed form the Electoral College.

    Once Trump’s 232 is the majority, he wins.

    There are 5 or 6 states affected so that is a possibility.

    Works for Biden too except the fraud would have been perpetrated by the Democrats!! … FVE

    Alternatively, a CONTINGENT ELECTION can be called if neither is at 270.

    Trump wins that too once his party does not betray him.

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  • The big problem is neither you or Trump with his army of trumpeters are unable to convince sane persons and legal entities responsible for ruling on the matter.

    What are a certain- Trump joins Herbert and Jimmy as ?

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  • Once extensive fraud is shown, Biden becomes unelectable.

    Trump wins in effect, 50-0!!

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  • He wins in the 2020 Dream Presidential Election.

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  • People need to get into psychology of the Trump cunt who always claim cheating when he loses
    Amerikkka the land of racists and cheaters where brown skin still makes you 2nd class citizens

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  • You all must watch High Noon one of these days.

    It will show you what is going on in human terms.

    Like the Sherriff, Trump can walk … but he won’t.

    Here is a clip.

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  • Like the Sherriff, played by Gary Cooper, he will stay and fight it out.

    Funnily enough, his new wife, played by Grace Kelly, was a Quaker.

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  • High Noon in Arizona today.

    It’s started.

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  • Michigan tomorrow.

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  • Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs certified election results on Monday, officially naming Biden as the winner of the state and further cementing his national victory over Trump.

    Hobbs, a Democrat, certified the statewide vote in the company of two key Republicans, Gov. Doug Ducey and Attorney General Mark Brnovich. Brnovich has vocally defended the integrity of Arizona’s election against his own party’s claims of widespread fraud, saying his office investigated and found no evidence.

    “This election was conducted with transparency, accuracy and fairness in accordance with Arizona’s laws and election procedures — despite numerous unfounded claims to the contrary,” Hobbs said Monday.

    Ducey also said the state’s election was run properly. “The pandemic and covid-19 brought new unprecedented challenges for our state. But as I said before, we do elections well here in Arizona,” he said. “The system is strong, and that’s why I have bragged on it so much.”

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  • Oh no, Sargeant! These male rabbits have been programmed to dig all the way to China. And dig they will until their January 20th lunch date with Xi. They will be the ones in the wok.

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  • Donna ya killin’ me!

    Stir fry rabbit with some fresh veggies.

    Yum, yum!

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  • @John November 27, 2020 11:58 PM “COVID may have been a provable hoax!!”

    Hoax or not.

    Under the Trump administration 273,871 Americans have died of Covid19.

    5,413,241 currently infected, including 24,816 in hospital in serious or critical condition, some of whom WILL SURELY DIE.

    If as Trump said last week “I am the President of the United States” and if as is know he is Commander in Chief of one of the World’s largest, most efficient armies,why is he permitting this massive “hoax” to occur under his watch?

    According to the CIA World Fact Book the population of Barbados is estimated to be about 294,560 as of July 2020.

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  • You may have to use paw paw shank given the vintage of rabbit on offer.

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  • David,

    I was thinking so but I ‘m sure the Chinese have their own remedy.

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  • Do people retain their nationalities when they die and become ghosts or spirits to go above or below or somewhere in between

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  • The chairwoman of the Wisconsin Elections Commission on Monday certified President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. as the winner in Wisconsin, formalizing his narrow victory in a state President Trump narrowly carried four years ago and undermining the quixotic efforts of Mr. Trump and his supporters to portray his decisive national loss as a matter still under dispute.

    During a three-minute teleconference Monday afternoon, Ann Jacobs, the elections commission chairwoman, signed a document that declared Mr. Biden to be the winner.

    “I am now signing it as the official state determination of the results of the Nov. 3, 2020, election and the canvass,” Ms. Jacobs said, before holding the document up to the camera broadcasting her online.

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  • Cuhdear Bajan,

    Wuh tuh do but laugh, nuh! Yuh know we Bajans love tuh skin we teet.

    The Honorary White Supremacist Rabbits 🐰🐰🐰 starring in a Looney Toons version of Alice in Wonderland.

    In this episode, Bugs Bunny takes a holiday after the lame Donald “Daffy” Duck Drumph is blown to teenie weenie 306 bits by Elmer “Fuddy Duddy” Biden while sitting on the unfinished Mexican border wall during rabbit hunting season. The Three Trumpeteers vow to put the Donald back together again. Little did they know that all the would be king’s jackasses and all the would be king’s dead Ghouliani men couldn’t help them put Drumphty together again.

    So they dig a secret tunnel to the White House where they hope to barricade the doors and keep Elmer “Fuddy Duddy” Biden out.

    But being Bajan male rabbits (&*€#$) they take a LEFT turn ⬅️ and end up in China where the Chinese Take Out Crew🎎🎎 chop them to suey🔪, dress them in soy and stir fried 🔥🔥🔥AND shaken they turn up for the Mad Tea Party but wind up being eaten for lunch 🍆🍜🍜🍗🥕🥒🥦🍜🥢by 007 Xi 🍸🍸at High Noon 🕛on January 20th.

    And I used to play Alice but now I am the Cheshire Cat. DPD is playing Alice.

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  • So, by tomorrow please God, the State Legislatures of Pennsylvania, Arizona and Michigan will have before them the evidence as it pertains to fraud in their states.

    On Wednesday, a Court in Georgia will have before it the evidence of voter fraud in that state.

    Will the State Legislatures exert their constitutional authority and decide to withhold their electors from the Electoral College?

    If the number of Electoral College voters for both candidates fall below 270, a CONTINGENT ELECTION will occur.

    306 – 270 = 36 votes

    Pennsylvania = 20

    Arizona = 11

    Michigan = 16

    Georgia = 16

    Any three of these four will reduce Biden’s possible votes below 270 and trigger a CONTINGENT ELECTION.

    538 – 464 = 74 votes.

    Trump’s majority will only occur if more State Legislatures than the four above decide to follow the example of the other States if those States decide not to send their States’ Electors to the Electoral College.

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  • Certification by the State’s Executive does not ensure the State’s Electors go to the Electoral College.

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  • The lawyer for the President’s Team told the panel that there is an 1892 decision of the Supreme Court which says the State Legislature can take back its power AT ANY TIME!!

    Laches does not apply.

    What I understand that to mean is that if the State Legislature chooses to do its constitutional duty there is no legal way to stop the Legislature.

    So, we’ll see as the week progresses what happens.

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  • SargeantNovember 30, 2020 6:15 PM

    The chairwoman of the Wisconsin Elections Commission on Monday certified President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. as the winner in Wisconsin

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    The State Legislature has the final say!!

    The fat lady still hasn’t sung!!

    Relax, sit back and enjoy the greatest show on earth.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    This confounds me… why would it “please God” that this lying, false witness bearing; adulterous, crooked, self worshipping, ‘vainful’ name calling, golf-playing non sabbath worshiping, covetous, killer of men should PREVAIL!

    Your entire ethos and premiss is based on NOTHING other than the trumpets’ bleating that their idol must prevail … here you are beaing false witness to this trump created graven image and YET you invoke the name of the “jealous” God in his support!

    Absurd, incredulous and absolutely ridiculous. … Ye damnable satans avast with you!

    @Donna, quite cool fairy tale above… excellent actually… my drama days were very few so any Alice characterization on my part will be well outside the norm. I will be bloody, bold and very rabbit unfriendly!

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  • Junior, Junior, Junior

    I am just writing what I heard the President’s Team present as evidence to the Arizona State Legislature.

    Relax and watch what the big people do.

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  • RE why would it “please God” that this lying, false witness bearing; adulterous, crooked, self worshipping, ‘vainful’ name calling, golf-playing non sabbath worshiping, covetous, killer of men should PREVAIL!

    THE JACKASS BRAYS ONCE MORE
    DID NOT KING MANESEH OF JUDAH RULE 50 YEARS
    DO YOU KNOW THE EXTENT OF HIS EVIL?
    2 Peter 3:9 SAYS The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    Q why would it “please God” that AN IDIOT OF YOUR MAGNITUDE IS STILL ALIVE?
    A SEE 2 Peter 3:9 ABOVE
    YOU ARE NOT GOD AND YOU ARE JUDGING WITH OUT ALL THE INFORMATION

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  • HERE IS THE JACKASS SEEKING TO THE GOD’S PLACE AS JUDGE
    HILARIOUS
    THE IDIOT IS WITHOUT SIN AND THINKS HE CAN CAST STONES
    WHAT A FOOL ‘
    HEAR HIM BRAY ONCE MORE ,
    why would it “please God” that this lying, false witness bearing; adulterous, crooked, self worshipping, ‘vainful’ name calling, golf-playing non sabbath worshiping, covetous, killer of men should PREVAIL!
    HE THINKS THAT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD DOES……THAT GOD DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING
    DPD , BALAAM’S ASS HAD MORE SENSE THAN YOU

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  • @John
    I see that you are working on the American mathematical conjecture on how to get to 270 electoral votes.

    When you solve it you can collect your prize any time after Jan.21-2021 in Florida at a location to be disclosed later.

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  • Junior

    Here is a bit about the proceedings today and the dual strategy the President’s Team is implementing.

    Tomorrow will be the turn of members of the Michigan Legislature.

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  • “Vice President Mike Pence held [a call] on Monday with state leaders… During the call, Pence and members of the task force focused on vaccine safety and distribution.”
    Source: CNN

    Question for John. If Covid may have been a provable hoax as you asserted on November 28 why is Vice President Pence holding telephone meetings with state leaders about vaccination?

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  • Junior,

    Here is the link for tomorrow to the presentation to representatives of the Michigan State Legislature by the President’s Team.

    You can listen in or not as you please.

    Not sure if the evidentiary hearings before a Court will be available or not as it occurs but will let you know.

    We don’t know what is to happen between now and tomorrow it is in God’s Hands.

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  • @John “John November 27, 2020 11:58 PM “COVID may have been a provable hoax!!”

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  • Cuhdear BajanNovember 30, 2020 9:59 PM

    “Vice President Mike Pence held [a call] on Monday with state leaders… During the call, Pence and members of the task force focused on vaccine safety and distribution.”
    Source: CNN

    Question for John. If Covid may have been a provable hoax as you asserted on November 28 why is Vice President Pence holding telephone meetings with state leaders about vaccination?

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    Because it may not have been a provable hoax, Simple!!

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  • You haven’t by any chance found any human bones when you were digging in your ground?

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  • I know where the bodies are buried so I avoid digging in those places.

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  • White rice

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    John Fellow, as you confirmed above “I am just writing what I heard the President’s Team present as evidence to the Arizona State Legislature.”

    You are a parrot. I am happy for you.

    Most of the liberal minded folks here clearly read, dissect and offer reasoned opinion along with what’s being said on the various sites rather than post insipidly!

    So again I am happy for you that your brain power is now relegated to being a good parrot bird brain!

    And again … the adults have the con and are telling the children to stop their stupid baseless tantrums … last count was FOUR adult judges (courts actually, some were panel of judges) !

    @Lyall has said it to you bluntly and clearly … so I will ‘parrot’ THAT for you: if any state legislature ILLEGALLY overturns the majority voice of their citizens to appoint Trump electors there will be EXPLOSIVE mayhem in the US: in the Supreme Court and on the streets.

    You are insane and so too the republican faithful to even contemplate for one freaking minute that that is a viable path to a PEACEFUL COUP of this election.

    Utterly and completley MAD.

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  • Cuhdear BajanNovember 30, 2020 10:29 PM

    I know where the bodies are buried so I avoid digging in those places.

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    Other Quakers and or slaves.

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  • de pedantic DribblerNovember 30, 2020 11:23 PM

    John Fellow, as you confirmed above “I am just writing what I heard the President’s Team present as evidence to the Arizona State Legislature.”

    You are a parrot. I am happy for you.

    Most of the liberal minded folks here clearly read, dissect and offer reasoned opinion along with what’s being said on the various sites rather than post insipidly!

    So again I am happy for you that your brain power is now relegated to being a good parrot bird brain!

    And again … the adults have the con and are telling the children to stop their stupid baseless tantrums … last count was FOUR adult judges (courts actually, some were panel of judges) !

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    What the President’s team has done is by pass the Judges who won’t allow them to present the evidence in the court of public opinion.

    Several witnesses gave evidence from their sworn affidavits which the judges will not hear.

    Seems to have gone on over 10 hours so clearly alot of evidence was presented.

    The State Legislators asked numerous questions and did not sound at all impressed at the election conducted in their state.

    So, we will wait and see what happens.

    The judges at the state level are beginning to look like shit.

    But I understand their position.

    They don’t want to determine the outcome of an election as they are not elected.

    The members of the State Legislature are and can.

    On Wednesday it sounds like a judge will for the first time actually hear the evidence for Georgia.

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  • BTW Junior

    Lawyers do not give evidence, they adduce evidence from witnesses.

    They present their witnesses, let them give their evidence then question them to ensure the salient legal points are made.

    You have not spent much time with lawyers in an evidentiary setting!!

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  • de pedantic DribblerNovember 30, 2020 11:23 PM

    @Lyall has said it to you bluntly and clearly … so I will ‘parrot’ THAT for you: if any state legislature ILLEGALLY overturns the majority voice of their citizens to appoint Trump electors there will be EXPLOSIVE mayhem in the US: in the Supreme Court and on the streets.

    You are insane and so too the republican faithful to even contemplate for one freaking minute that that is a viable path to a PEACEFUL COUP of this election.

    Utterly and completley MAD.

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    Go read the Constitution of the USA … UNITED STATES of America.

    “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; ”

    It is open to any Legislature to appoint electors … or not appoint electors!!

    There ain’t going to be violence and if it is it will be in Democrat cities.

    Arizona is Republican.

    The former Sheriff of Maricopa County was Sherriff Joe Arpaio, 24 years from 1993 to 2017.

    It may be his Democrat replacement will tolerate the rioting, looting and burning like in other Democrat run jurisdictions but we will have to wait and see.

    Had you paid attention to the evidence presented today, you would have discovered that it is alleged the 35,000 votes were added to every Democrat in Arizona, including the Sheriff.

    Lawsuits due here too!!

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/06/maricopa-county-sheriff-paul-penzone-declares-victory-over-jerry-sheridan/6190782002/

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  • Besides

    The streets may already be full of constituents urging their elected officials to follow the constitution.

    No room for the few ANTIFA and BLM protesters … or the phantoms and zombies that voted Biden.

    The Legislature may end up having no choice once they examine the evidence presented to some today.

    Anyway, enough of that … tomorrow is Michigan!!

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  • Junior

    Joe Biden is suffering from dementia.

    It is not worth the trouble creating mayhem to have him as president.

    Only sheer lunatics (or phantoms and zombies) would take to the streets to riot, loot and burn.

    You really think that illegal aliens are going to turn up on the streets to riot and attract attention to themselves?

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  • “Joe Biden is suffering from dementia.”

    Wow!!!!

    It seems as though you’re a lawyer with a sound knowledge of US Constitutional Law………. and a doctor as well. Impressive, my friend.

    I’m wondering if you acquired those skills from watching ‘L.A Law’ and ‘The Young Doctor,’ or FOX News and listening to Rush Limbaugh?

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  • Dr. Scott Atlas, a highly controversial member of the White House's coronavirus task force, has resigned from his post in the Trump administration. https://t.co/2p8Mq9ynjR— CNN (@CNN) December 1, 2020

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  • On a more subtle level of spirituality

    we know racists cheat and lie

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  • DPD,

    Bloody and bold!

    That sounds like an Alice Cooper portrayal. Cool!

    This is the Looney Toons version of Alice in Wonderland, after all.

    We’ve got a Donald, Daffy Duck, Humpty Dumpty blend.

    We’ve got Elmer Fuddy Duddy Joe Biden.

    Bugs Bunny makes a brief appearance in typical Bugs Bunny style. CANNOT mess with Bugs Bunny. So….

    We’ve got three Trumpeteer Musketeer type black honorary White Rabbits of the KKK kind fierce LOYALISTS to serve the would be king Donald.

    We’ve got the Humpty Dumpty would be king’s dead jackasses for horses being riden by the would be king’s ghouls or dead men. That represents the legal team and the law suits.

    I’m seeing the muppet critics in the balcony giving commentary on the court cases and Kermit the Roving Reporter from Sesame Street doing his report. Bugs Bunny returns as the judge.

    We got Alice’s Mad Tea Party / Lunch at High Noon – The Three Trumpeteers served up by a Chinese Take Out Ninja Crew. CHOP CHOP BANG like the muppet Swedish chef.

    So a Gary Cooper/ Alice Cooper character blend would be brilliant!

    A “duel” at High Noon on January 20th!

    The episode ends with 007 Xi sliding his Bond gadget from his top pocket. A pair of CHOPSTICKS.

    And the Bajan Cheshire Cat, that’s me, only having the last laugh a la Mighty Charmer ordinary class style.

    I think I watched too much of Shelley Duvall’s Faerie Tale Theatre when I was young.

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  • Turns out John’s shoddy COVID statistical analysis was not done by the CDC. I forgot that Trump took that away from them.

    It also turns out that Sweden after abandoning their “COVID STRATEGY” in the face of riding cases and deaths is now looking to find a scape goat. Now blaming a particular advisor for this deadly strategy much touted by the BU right-wing loony contingent.

    So…. Boris Johnson was a faster learner. And fastest learner of all – Mia Amour Mottley of 30 zero fame!

    And the slowest learner of all – Donald JOHN Trump of DOWN TO ZERO fame! And JOHN KNOX of the 50:0 hoax.

    Two Johns full of shit!

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  • Still full of shit and refusing to flush!

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  • Arizona evidentiary hearings.

    Trump calls in yesterday.

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  • John and GP are empty vessels for every racist populist white trash trope on the net, ignore their wicked vibrations.

    Become vessels for the primordial light of the universe or holy spirit to shine out bright Jah light with loving kindness.

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  • JOHN
    CAN YOU SOURCE THE FEED FOR TODAY’S EVIDENTIARY HEARING?

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  • Critical Analyzer

    2020 This will the year the world never ever forgets.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    “Had you paid attention to the evidence presented today, you would have discovered that it is alleged the 35,000 votes were added to every Democrat in Arizona, including the Sheriff.”

    Eh! Really… 35,000 you say. Why didnt the fraudsters add 50,000 per Dem? 35K is such an odd number … afterall, if you can stupidly hack PAPER based BALLOT systems to add extra votes like that why go small!

    Mr Fellow, even parrots need to be weaned from their mad ramblings… and YOU accuse Joe Biden of having dementia! SMH.

    The kindest explanation for your absolutely insanely stupid posts is that you are suffering from some type of trump induced schizophrenia like that old movie ‘Sybil’ … multiple personality issues here at will.

    So it’s quite interesting that you are labeling the new POTUS as losing his mind.

    Carry on smartly … you are giving Polly the parrot a bad name tho.

    Incredible!

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  • JohnNovember 30, 2020 10:03 PM

    Cuhdear BajanNovember 30, 2020 9:59 PM

    “Vice President Mike Pence held [a call] on Monday with state leaders… During the call, Pence and members of the task force focused on vaccine safety and distribution.”
    Source: CNN

    Question for John. If Covid may have been a provable hoax as you asserted on November 28 why is Vice President Pence holding telephone meetings with state leaders about vaccination?

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    Because it may not have been a provable hoax, Simple!!

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    Experts finally admit they were wrong about COVID and Kids!!

    Seems everyone lied about the impact of Corona on kids!!

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  • de pedantic DribblerDecember 1, 2020 8:29 AM

    “Had you paid attention to the evidence presented today, you would have discovered that it is alleged the 35,000 votes were added to every Democrat in Arizona, including the Sheriff.”

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    Sworn witness statement which to date is yet to be refuted.

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  • FBI wants the evidence of the 35K from the Colonel!!

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  • WHEN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WALKED THE EARTH, HE ONCE SAID OF HIMSELF “A GREATER THAN SOLOMON IS HERE”
    I SAY UNTO YOU TODAY ON BU THAT WE HAVE IN DPD A GREATER JACKASS THAN BALLAM
    HE HECKLES JOHN IN HIS IGNORANCE

    IF HE HAD LISTENED TO THE HEARING YESTERDAY, HE MIGHT HAVE LEARNED, IF HE WAS ABLE TO COMPREHEND, THAT THE BALLOT COUNTING MACHINES DO NOT COUNT THE PAPER BALLOTS AS INDIVIDUAL BALLOTS, BUT THAT THE MACHINES CAN BE PROGRAAMED TO WEIGHT SELECTED BALLOTS. IN SO DOING 35, OOO VOTES OR ANY OTHER NUMBER OF VOTES COULD BE ADDED TO TOM DICK OR HARRY.

    IN HIS HASTE TO HECKLE BALAAM’S ASS DISOBEYS JESUS’ MAXIM OF JOHN 7:24…..JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT AND NOT BY THE APEEARANCE……….I.E YOU CAN NOT AJUDICATE CORRECTLY WITHOUT ALL THE NECESSARY INFORMATION

    BALAAM’S ASS SHOULD LEARN THAT LIKKLE DONKEYS MUST NOT CONTINUE TO BRAY IN THE COMPANY OF THOSE WITH SUPERIOR INTELLECT

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  • Even though most people think Ostriches bury their head in the sand to avoid inconvenient truths it may actually not be true.

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  • By the way, I see John is now using the word “shit” so I figure we ” lesser mortals” can use it without censure.

    Is “shit” now acceptable? And since shit comes from an asshole, is “asshole” now acceptable too? AND in true INDEPENDENCE spirit – how about our Bajan variant “Rasshole”?

    Murder!

    Big Bajan belly laugh.

    The hypocrisy is asstounding!

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  • @ Quaker John

    As we enter the season of good will, what do Quakers have to say about Xmas? Did they support the Puritans ban on Xmas?

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  • Hal AustinDecember 1, 2020 9:10 AM

    @ Quaker John

    As we enter the season of good will, what do Quakers have to say about Xmas? Did they support the Puritans ban on Xmas?

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    I have an ancestor who was a mason and spent Christmas Day 1676 in stocks for building a wall in the Burying Ground by St. Philip’s church.

    It was a Holy Day … what we call nowadays a holiday!!

    The JP had the Church warden inflict the punishment.

    Quakers treat everyday the same from what I have seen.

    Since in 1676 Puritans controlled the C of E, I would say your understanding of Puritans may be off.

    Of course by 1676 they could have mellowed.

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  • Are you suggesting the Puritans recognised Xmas? Was it not their argument that since the Bible did not mention the word, then it was not religious?

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  • Sufferings of H. Griffith and W. Fortescue.

    It happened that on the 25th of December, the Day called Christmas-day, Herbert Griffith and William Fortescue, standing to inspect some Workmen employed about the Wall of a Burying-place, were observed by William Goodall, a Justice of the Peace, as he passed by; who in much Anger called to those who were with him, saying, Is there no Constable here? Lay hold on these Rogues: Take away the Fellow’s Tools. Accordingly the Priest’s Clerk being present, took away the Tools, and detained them from the Owner many Weeks. Herbert Griffith desired the Justice to hear him a few Words, but he, full of Fury, cried out, Drag the old Rogue along; away with them all to the Stocks. Some People present said, Sir, pray pity that aged honest Man: But the Justice replied, I care neither for his Age nor his Honesty. Then one Thomas Saunders, a very rude Person, said, Sir, these Quakers will not put their Legs into the Stocks. The Justice replied, Down with ’em, drag them in. Whereupon the said Saunders gave the ancient Man a Blow on the Breast, and struck up his Heels with such Violence, that his Head came first to the Ground; and then he threw down William Fortescue, who falling on a Stone, cut his Elbow that it bled; and then they dragged in William Ashby the Mason, and his Man, and locked them in the Stocks about three Hours.

    After which the said Richard Goodal and Richard Noke made a Mittimus to send them to Goal, directing it from Constable to Constable, with a rude Company to guard them, as if they had been Murderers. The Constable to whose Charge they were first committed was very uncivil, and would not suffer the ancient Man to ride his own Horse; but other Constables were more moderate, and the last of them said, They were honest Men, and directed them to go themselves to the Town, and he would send one to meet them there To-morrow, which he did accordingly; and they were committed to the Common Goal, where they remained four Weeks.

    After which, some Neighbours engaging for their Appearance at the next Quarter Sessions, they were permitted to go Home. On the 12th of the First Month following, they appeared at the Sessions, where, by Means of one John Witham, an officious Justice, then Chairman, they were recommitted to Prison, (except the Mason’s Servant, who, being no Quaker, was discharged) where they lay about six Weeks, till the General Sessions on the 24th of the Second Month 1677: at which Time the Governour gave them Liberty upon Promise of appearing at the next General Sessions, which was about the 24th of the Ninth Month following; at which Time they were tried by a Jury, who acquitted Herbert and Fortescue, but found William Ashby, the Mason, guilty of working on that Day, for which he was fined 500lb. of Sugar, and the other two were cleared by Proclamation. This so displeased some of the Justices, that they prevailed with the rest to commit them to Prison a third Time, and the Verdict was set aside.

    A Juries Verdict set aside.

    On the 10th of the Tenth Month they were brought again to Trial on a fresh Indictment; when Justice Goodal himself came off the Bench to give Evidence, and swore that He saw the said Herbert and Fortescue at Work: But when the Foreman of the Jury asked him, Whether they had in their Hands any Tool, either Hammer or Trowel? he was fore’d to explain himself by saying, that as they were overseeing the Work, they were at Work. This not satisfying the Jury, they were the second Time acquitted and discharged. This Instance shews the great Partiality with which some of the Justices acted, and how forward they were to exercise their Authority against the Quakers, even beyond what the Laws required of them.

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  • John blowing Trump’s horn like a big (or little phallus) is more like road runner cartoons with wile e. coyote’s nefarious scheming

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  • Notice how the day and month are numbered.

    1st month was March, not January!!

    Different calendars.

    Julian calendar considered Roman Catholic.

    So any will or deed or document of the period where this apparently weird numbering of days is seen was almost certainly written by a Quaker for a Quaker.

    That’s one of the ways of identifying who was a Quaker back then.

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  • “Some Friends are non-Sabbatarians, holding that “every day is the Lord’s day,” and that what should be done on a First Day should be done every day of the week, although Meeting for Worship is usually held on a First Day, after the advice first issued by elders in 1656.[120]”

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  • @ Quaker John

    What about the 1647 Canterbury insurrections which were over the celebration of Xmas? Did that not follow the directory of public worship, which outlawed Xmas?
    Did Quakers support the Puritans or the rebels, the Roundheads and Cavaliers? Was this not at the root of the settling of Barbados, and eventually, the introduction of slavery?

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  • @All
    Happy day to all.

    I absented myself yesterday because I di not want to be accused of throwing shade. Shade is shade even if it is true. We use to call true shade facts.

    Shade, facts and alternative facts.

    @Rabbit
    I see that you have started a new and feverish digging. I am hoping that when this exercise is over you come here and write 50 lines.

    😃I was wrong. I mislead GP and CA😃
    ____&___
    All: Have a great Post Independence Day.

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  • THEO
    WHEN I THINK OF SHADE I THINK OF SITTING OR STANDING UNDER A NUMBER OF CASSURINAS I.E “MILE TREES” SUCH AS STANDING AT THE LOOK OUT POINT IN HOLY CROSS CHURCH YARD IN ST JOHN
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    THIS IS A MOST WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE. NOT ONLY IS THEIR CALM AND QUIET BUT THE BREZES AND THE OXYGEN EMITTING FROM THE TREES IS A SUBLIME DELIGHT

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  • Hal AustinDecember 1, 2020 9:41 AM

    @ Quaker John

    What about the 1647 Canterbury insurrections which were over the celebration of Xmas? Did that not follow the directory of public worship, which outlawed Xmas?
    Did Quakers support the Puritans or the rebels, the Roundheads and Cavaliers? Was this not at the root of the settling of Barbados, and eventually, the introduction of slavery?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    George Fox was born in 1624.

    Barbados was settled in 1626/7, depends on the calendar you prefer!!

    No Quakers existed when Barbados was settled, but Puritans did!!

    Quakers appear in 1647/8, after the first English Civil War.

    So they didn’t support either nor were they involved in the settlement of Barbados.

    Their ministry was among those afflicted by the violence of the Civil War.

    That’s why many who became Quakers were former soldiers and why you will find Quakers who have military rank even though people will say Quakers are pacifists!

    This of course means that many Quakers were Roundheads or Cavaliers … atleast at one time, perhaps even after they became convinced Quakers!!

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  • Puritans settled Barbados.

    They settled St. Christopher before they settled Barbados.

    The purpose of St. Christopher was as a way station for their colony in New England.

    St. Christopher was destroyed by a hurricane the year after it was settled and the Puritans would have had to compete against the French and Caribs.

    I say Barbados was settled because of its location further south out at the edge of the Hurricane paths.

    Coriolis force and all that … Physics determined its settlement!!!

    Also, no competition as the Spanish had removed all indigenous peoples and there were no French.

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  • «The President Sang Amazing Grace»

    «Obama Sings ‘Amazing Grace’ During Pinckney Eulogy»

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  • St. Christopher is the Patron Saint of Travelers.

    A fitting name as a “safe harbour” which did not turn out to be so safe, for the 10’s of thousands of Puritans who left England for New England once it became established.

    Most if not all of the Puritans in the “Great Puritan Migration” passed through St. Kitts or Barbados on their way to New England and Virginia.

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  • @ Quaker John

    Let me repeat it slowly. The English Civil War was at the heart of the settling of Barbados, not its discovery. But it was that war, between the Roundheads and Cavaliers, which led to the settling of Barbados, which eventually led to the compulsory importation of African labourers, ie slaves.
    Did the Quakers support the Roundheads or Cavaliers during the civil war? Were they supporters of the Puritans? By the way, are you a practising Quaker or just someone who is keen on Quaker history?

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  • Did you know the ship carrying Oliver Cromwell to New England, was turned back in the Thames because the authorities realised the country’s wealth and all of the skills and educated people were leaving.

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  • Some Puritans who returned to fight in the English Civil War became Quakers from the late 1640’s.

    The Puritans gained control of the C of E after the Civil War.

    They then persecuted the Quakers as they themselves had been persecuted by the C of E!!

    Quakers leaving England could not go to some puritan colonies in New England.

    Many went to Virginia.

    Some stayed in Barbados and St. Kitts and other islands like Tortola and Bermuda.

    But the persecution did not stop them going to New England.

    Four were executed in Boston, including one from Barbados, William Leddra.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Dyer

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  • @ Quaker John

    You are a good ballet dancer. You dance around questions you do not want to answer and try to shift the question to what you want to talk about.
    Have you thought of politics? Mottley will enjoy having you in her party of mutts.

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  • John;

    Here’s your quote from yesterday’s “hearing”
    “Had you paid attention to the evidence presented today, you would have discovered that it is alleged the 35,000 votes were ADDED to every Democrat in Arizona, including the Sheriff.”.

    Assuming that you understand and speak truthfully and without obfuscation, you seem to be alleging / suggesting that in the Arizona Senate race where Kelly, the Democrat, got around 1.76 million votes, as originally counted by machine and later verified by recounts of paper ballots, He should actually only have got 1,760,000 – 35,000 = 1,725,000 real votes. The recount said not so he got 1,760,000 ! In addition, since you say that the same 35,000 votes would have been added to every Democrat in Arizona, the Sheriff and every Democrat on the ballot should also have 35,000 votes deducted from their count to get their true vote count. What happened with the ballots with those multiples of 35,000 votes. They should show up as a multiple of 35,000 in the total of every Democrat on the ballot. But perhaps the fraud took place at the time of voting on individual machines not at counting per se.

    GP saw your error and rushed in to bat for you as he could not allow you to stain HC’s honor with such a blatant error and by a fellow Barbados Scholar in Maths, to boot. He trumpeted “IF HE (dpD) HAD LISTENED TO THE HEARING YESTERDAY, HE MIGHT HAVE LEARNED, IF HE WAS ABLE TO COMPREHEND, THAT THE BALLOT COUNTING MACHINES DO NOT COUNT THE PAPER BALLOTS AS INDIVIDUAL BALLOTS, BUT THAT THE MACHINES CAN BE PROGRAAMED TO WEIGHT SELECTED BALLOTS. IN SO DOING 35, OOO VOTES OR ANY OTHER NUMBER OF VOTES COULD BE ADDED TO TOM DICK OR HARRY.”
    This is also patently false. Firstly the fanciful unproven computer algorithm does not “weigh” selected ballots. It probably merely analyses a sample of ballots (selected by the savvy Computer operator) and then modifies x number of ballots votes (must be an integer) to the sum for the candidate flagged. Note that the ballots contain information for the Presidential contest as well as the down-ballot contests so the algorithm should also remove 35,000 or whatever number is chosen from the total for each Democrat on the ballot. Seems too cumbersome to me. The paper ballots exist and are presumably in safe keeping. The loony system you and GP seem to be championing is replete with flaws and fraud. It can’t work as explained.

    Come again!

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  • Hal AustinDecember 1, 2020 10:43 AM

    @ Quaker John

    Let me repeat it slowly. The English Civil War was at the heart of the settling of Barbados, not its discovery. But it was that war, between the Roundheads and Cavaliers, which led to the settling of Barbados, which eventually led to the compulsory importation of African labourers, ie slaves.
    Did the Quakers support the Roundheads or Cavaliers during the civil war? Were they supporters of the Puritans? By the way, are you a practising Quaker or just someone who is keen on Quaker history?

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    I am not a practicing Quaker.

    I know of none in Barbados at the moment!!

    How could the Quakers be involved in the first English Civil War which started in 1641?

    They did not even exist?

    In 1641 George Fox was only 17!!!

    The best that could be said is that the suffering of the first English Civil War may have prompted George Fox to seek spiritual answers which he found.

    Answers to the spiritual questions of others who fought or suffered in the first English Civil war were then answered through him.

    Within the Quakers of the time could be found both Roundheads and Cavaliers.

    The Quaker networks did build Barbados after 1650 as more and more became convinced.

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  • Let me say this even slower!!!

    The Portuguese are supposed to have been the first Europeans to discover Barbados and that was long before Puritans and Roundheads and Cavaliers were even invented.

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  • And even slower ….

    Barbados was settled from England in 1626/7, long before the Quakers existed!!

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  • Hal

    You just do not know as much history as you think you do, or …. you don’t know how to ask questions!!

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  • Junior

    Man, … brilliant.

    Except the 35K was but one of the many malfeasances the Democrats committed!!

    Go and listen to the evidence before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

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  • Obama destroyed the Democrat party.

    It can’t win elections without cheating.

    Trump is simply applying the coup de grace.

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  • Junior

    Here is another witness providing evidence drive a further nail in the Democrat coffin.

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  • target 3000

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  • The Democrats, since Obama cannot win elections without cheating!!

    Simple fact.

    All we are watching is one last desperate fling of the dice.

    They chose the wrong man to interfere with.

    https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-insights/under-obama-democrats-suffer-largest-loss-in-power-since-eisenhower/

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  • Quaker John

    I am not a historian and would welcome lessons in how to ask questions from you? When do we start? Is that why you do not answer a straight question?

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  • You never ask a straight question.

    You always have to qualify it when I respond, latest example, discovery vs settlement.

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  • Think of George Fox as a Christian bringing the Word to Roundheads and Cavaliers and those who suffered in the War.

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  • This is puckery.

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