Submitted as a comment by Lyall to the Open Letter to Prime Minster Mottley and Minister King

Captain Hutt taught me History at HC. I was therefore someone who learnt that history from the viewpoint of the English teacher class, by rote. For many years I had no need to check the truth or otherwise of what I had been taught, as History played a miniscule part in my life until the Sir George William’s / Concordia University fire in Montreal and the activities that led up to it. I later on visited Ghana where I saw first hand the places and trails where my African ancestors were caught and enslaved and then shipped under unspeakable conditions along the Middle Passage to Barbados. I also spent some time in Hull, England, another hub of the Slave trade, where racism was palpable even just 20 years ago.

These experiences forced me to progressively reevaluate Black History and, after an initial cognitive dissonance, accept that chattel slavery and its fruit and most of its manifestations is responsible for much of what is wrong in many aspects of life and governance of present day Barbados.

I think that my experiences also allow me to understand the standpoint of many of my acquaintances, friends and colleagues, of my age, who have had the benefit of seeing both sides of white/black relationships in Metropolitan countries. I see the postings of several BU posters who appear to be resident in Canada, the US and perhaps England, which show that exposure to life in metropolitan countries, forces an understanding of the black side of history that is largely missing from those who lack such experience and have remained in Barbados and who must depend on local sources to inform their views. Lack of such exposure in the Bajan who has largely stayed on this rock tends to lead to such persons staying with what what they have been taught by rote several years ago.

There is another type of BU commenter. The commenter who always espouses the decadent views of the Bajan white class, whether they themselves are black or white. Some of these BU commenters are totally predictable in the stances they take. Some even totally mimic Trump or Rush Limbaugh. You know who I mean.

173 responses to “Lack of ‘Exposure’ Creates Vacuum for Some Barbadians in the Black History Debate”


  1. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

    It’s a duck.

  2. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Vincent, much thanks. I concur with your analysis.

    @PLT, if as you suggest these books were both published in or around 2013 it seems reasonable to presume that they are likely one and the same! I have no experience in publishing buy from a marketing perspective It would be quite counter intuitive to publish two different ‘academic texts’ by the same author in the same year…. different languages versions to get oomph and publicity momentum would be more practically and beneficial! But that’s a mere guesstimate.

    Anyhow, thanks for the clarification.

    And BTW, I also agree with @Vincent (and Hal) re your noted difficulties re the maths … 1) why would a professor make a book for mass consumption that complex mathematically WITHOUT also offering simplified analysis, and 2) there is no way an ad-Maths student from a Bajan secondary school should struggle to overcome any economics text …yes, microeconomics is a meaty maths handful but I read your remarks as mostly facetious….

    Seems you were otherwise engaged and distracted wading through the text if it took you a WHOLE year to complete…

    Really, didn’t understand why Austin got so aggravated but your remarks… but as all said: it was an exciting ping-pong affair, regardless All good!


  3. @PLT

    Here you go again trying to mislead. The substantive point was your claim about governance in Barbados being a travesty from 1627 to 2020. I asked for the evidence.
    After much prevarication, you came up with life expectancy, poverty rates, childhood malnutrition, education levels and Social mobility.
    I asked for the empirical data and you reference Dr Ramsay.
    I raised the point that we have been here before, about 18mths or two years ago, at the time you claimed how we had made progress between 1951 and 1961 (I am sure I have the right dates). Again, I asked for proof.
    Somehow we got on to talking about Piketty’s book, Capitalism in the 21st Century, which you claimed to have read. When pressed you said you read it online and found the maths difficult. Again I questioned your claim. I said, as I said yesterday, there were comprehensive tables but no complex maths.
    I walked away from the conversation having convinced myself that you were fibbing. Yesterday you claimed you were talking about another Piketty book. I pointed out on numerous occasion I had only read one Piketty book Capitalism in the 21st Century.
    I also raised the point that recently you made another bold claim about a universal basic income. I asked then, and again yesterday, for justification for this position; I was ignored on both occasions.
    In all the to-ing and fro-ing I still have not had any empirical data about the “travesty and tragedy” of governance in Barbados between 1627 and 2020.
    As expected, that substantive fact has been ignored while we debate who has read what book. To be clear, you have said nothing to convince me you are familiar with Piketty’s works.
    But, I am still waiting to see the evidence supporting your bold claim about Barbados. You may be right, you may be wrong, but where is the evidence.
    I know you said this is your opinion, but that came too late and seems to me as an excuse. Bring the evidence.


  4. Just find the books on Amazon and see if the ISBN’s are the same.


  5. @ Pedantic

    I was not ‘aggravated’ about anything. On BU most of us do not know each other personally. For the most part we have to accept as truth statements made, especially by people who identify themselves. It is that veracity that is important, otherwise BU is just for entertainment.
    Where there is clear evidence that a person is being economical with the actualite, then s/he should be called out. That is all. It is a matter of trust.

  6. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Hal Austin at 1: 24 PM

    I think you are mashing the crease wrt PLT. He is not on trial on BU. It is a place for expressing opinions. I think you may be described as an Internet Bully. It is time to move on. You have made whatever point you intended to make.

  7. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @de pedantic Dribbler June 16, 2020 1:11 PM
    @Vincent Codrington June 16, 2020 12:03 PM
    Sadly, I was not being facetious. Here is a link to a page of “Capital is Back: Wealth-Income Ratios in Rich Countries 1700-2010″ that is typical of the ones that I found tedious to slog through rather than just gloss over. http://wunnuh.org/Piketty2013Book_extract.pdf
    I can share the entire book by email if you want, but I’m not going to post the whole thing online because I’ve violated his copyright enough already.

  8. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ PLT at 2:00PM
    Your credibility with me is not in question.There is no need to email the “book” nor the Technical Appendix. I have my own copy of the final, finished,translated version of the book . It is almost 600 pages,excluding the technical appendices. I suspect that what you uploaded is in the technical appendix. The main narrative is clear with the algebra extended in most cases to three lines.
    AND you are quite right. You would be violating his copyright. I am too old to be an accomplice.


  9. John’s favourite person is lying again. Claims Obama never tried to tackle police misconduct. But we know Obama had studies done, recommendations made and consent decrees signed and Trump threw them out and encouraged further brutality to the roars of hundreds of bad apples.


  10. Reasons like a white supremacist.

    Talks down to blacks like a white supremacist.

    Twists history like a white supremacist.

    It’s a white supremacist.

    Too bad you ain’t white.

    PS. Don’t need to be married to Dracula. I can do bad all by myself. I am worse than Dracula AND his bride put together.

  11. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    And @Donna that’s the very annoying part of these uprisings: the consent decrees.

    The Obama admin had over 20 investigations of police dept ‘over’-use of force and at least a dozen supervised consent decrees with some of the troubled depts now under duress…this SUPPOSED law and order admin completely rescinded and overturned EVERY one of those decrees rather than PRACTICALLY addressing the major issues which caused them…

    … That is not Law n Order… that is Lawlessness! And now they offer some simple fixes about ‘best practices’ with a publicity stunt called an executive order!

    If this admin is reelected then clearly Americans want anarchy, lawlessness and a lack of reasoned continuity of governance…


  12. Not that difficult.
    It is a combination of a recurrence relation and a geometric series. (a+ar+ar2+ar3 …)
    Just read how sum a geometric series and then there is some basic moving around of terms.
    Made ugly just to scare ya.


  13. Nothing scares a weak man more than a strong woman.
    if they weren’t anonymous/distant they would all be quiet.
    Yo go girl.


  14. (Quote):
    After much prevarication, you came up with life expectancy, poverty rates, childhood malnutrition, education levels and Social mobility.
    I asked for the empirical data and you reference Dr Ramsay. (Unquote).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    @PLT: Stand your ground. Don’t be ‘bullied’ by the ‘retired journalist’.

    There is ample evidence documented in the Moyne Commission’s report on the social and economic ‘living’ conditions of the black masses (especially children) in Barbados in the pre-war period to support your argument(s).

    Pre-war Barbados had one of the highest incidences of malnutrition and mortality among children compared to other children in the British colonies.


  15. Grasshoppe

    I never heard of a woman called Hal


  16. Hal is a man, he identifies himself and stands by what he believes.


  17. Peter Lawrence Thompson is a man, he too identifies himself and stands by what he believes … even though at times he acts like Peter Pan.

    Sometimes big men do that.

    Point is, he is no woman!!

  18. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Miller June 16, 2020 5:55 PM
    I am much more difficult to bully than that.


  19. Donna is a woman. She identifies herself and stands by what she believes. You name John and I name Donna. I identified myself in the same way you did. Those who know me personally have no trouble identifying me. Though I am better looking than Hal and from all accounts you, I never liked being photographed.

    Where’s your photograph?

    You does break de camera???


  20. Never wanted to be a man. Never even thought of it. Just as I never wanted to be white.

    You?


  21. DonnaJune 16, 2020 7:44 PM

    Never wanted to be a man. Never even thought of it. Just as I never wanted to be white.

    You?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    None of us get to choose!!

    Besides, it doesn’t matter.


  22. Hal makes a good point as blacks don’t read books or not all the way through

    It’s strange how Bajans are obsessed with school qualifications
    In the west whites don’t need them only minorities do and will still struggle to get employment from the whites
    In USA Police try to capture every black male in the system before they are adults
    If you are black and do not have a record you must be a liar

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