It seems Blacks living in the USA cannot catch a break. In recent months the Black community has been under attack from the marauding COVID 19. This week we learned that in February 2020 two White men shot a young Black man as he was jogging through a White neighbourhood as if he were a target at your neighbourhood shooting range. The fact it has taken two months to gather public attention can be attributed to COVID 19 but are there the usual factors to consider?

There is no doubt that the USA harbours a racist system.

We are quick to point to China, reluctant to do same to the USA.

– David, blogmaster


The Killing of Ahmaud Arbery and the Justice of God

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I turned off the video the first several times I tried to watch it. I couldn’t bear the thought of what I knew would be pictured. Many people, from what I hear, had a similar reaction. The violence was so raw that it was painful to watch. And so many other videos and images, showing similar bloodshed, have emerged over the past several years.

I’m referring, of course, to the video that has emerged in recent days of the killing of 25-year-old African-American man Ahmaud Arbery by two white men in a south Georgia neighborhood. This case will now, with the urging of the governor of Georgia, go to a grand jury to seek justice in this matter. From what reports tell us, Arbery was jogging through the neighborhood and the two men thought he seemed suspicious and took off after him, ultimately shooting and killing him. This was not a case of an interrupted home invasion, nor was it the case of law enforcement personnel involved in an escalating crime situation.

In almost any breaking news story, I usually ask myself, “What sort of information could emerge to make this the opposite of what it seems to me right now?” In this case, I am stumped to think of what that could be. The video seems to show us exactly what we have seen so often in human history: the violence of armed self-styled vigilantes against an unarmed man.

The justice system will proceed, of course, and evidence will be marshaled by the prosecution and by the defense, but there’s little question as to what the investigation will be—into a question of murder.

The system of temporal justice is important here—crucially important—but I am perhaps even more concerned about the sort of weariness that has come upon the country, when we use the word “again” about such a case, as if any happening like this should not immediately shock the conscience. The temptation will be to, as I did at first with the video, just avert our eyes.

Whatever the specifics of this case turn out to be, we do know several things. The first is that the arguments, already bandied about on social media, that “Arbery wasn’t a choirboy” are revolting. We have heard such before with Trayvon Martin and in almost every case since. For all I know, Arbery was a choirboy.

But even if he were the complete opposite (let’s suppose just for the sake of argument), that is no grounds to be chased down and shot by private citizens. There is no, under any Christian vision of justice, situation in which the mob murder of a person can be morally right. Those who claim to have a high view of Romans 13 responsibilities of the state to “wield the sword” against evildoers ought to be the first to see that vigilante justice is the repudiation not just of constitutional due process but of the Bible itself. And, of course, the Bible tells us, from the beginning, that murder is not just an assault on the person killed but on the God whose image he or she bears.

Sadly, though, many black and brown Christians have seen much of this, not just in history but in flashes of threats of violence in their own lives. And some white Christians avert their eyes—even in cases of clear injustice—for fear of being labeled “Marxists” or “social justice warriors” by the same sort of forces of intimidation that wielded the same arguments against those who questioned the state-sponsored authoritarianism and terror of Jim Crow. And so, they turn their eyes.

Now, again, these two men will get their due process, and their day in court. But ought we not to grieve for the family of this young man who is dead at just a quarter-century of life? And should we not lament the fact that there are so many names and faces—from those lynched by domestic terrorists throughout much of the 20th century to the names and faces killed much closer to our own time? Yes.

And, whatever the facts that are offered up in this case as the process moves forward, we ought to be reminded of the threat of violence that has raged inside of humanity since Cain. The courts will decide whether these men will be punished as murderers—and we can pray the courts are right and just in their verdict—but we also ought to remember that many of our black and brown brothers and sisters were killed by mobs or individuals where there was no video to show anything.

The memorial sign marking the murder of Emmett Till had to be replaced with a bulletproof marker because too many people were shooting it up, delighting in the lynching of a man by a bloodthirsty mob. And, like Cain, those who do such things always think no one will ever see. But God says to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” (Gen. 4:9).

And, similarly, Jesus said, “Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed or hidden that will not be known” (Lk. 12:2). Whatever is ruled in this case, we know that the blood cries from the ground in countless matters of violence and bloodshed. And God sees and knows. That’s a word of promise for those weary in seeing justice done. And it’s a word of warning for those who would avert their eyes.

 

140 responses to “Ahmaud Arbery: Blacks NOT Worth More Than SALT in the Eyes of Some”


  1. Why is it the BU commentariat can see injustices when they take place outside Barbados but conspire everyday to ignore the brutal black on black injustices handed out in our magistrate courts every working day? Is there an explanation?


  2. Appeal against curfew fine
    The first appeal of a COVID-19 curfew case has been filed.
    And it is against one of the highest fines imposed to date.
    It was on April 29, that Damian Decourey Walters, of London Bourne Towers, Bay Street, St Michael, appeared before Chief Magistrate Ian Weekes and pleaded guilty to the charge that he contravened Paragraph 21 of theEmergency Management (COVID-19) Curfew (No. 3) Directive, in that there being a curfew imposed in Barbados requiring every person to remain indoors between April 15 and midnight on May 3, he remained outdoors at 9:45 p.m. on April 26 on Wharf Road, St Michael, without a reasonable excuse.
    $7 000 fine
    Chief Magistrate Weekes fined him $7 000 in five months or six months in jail.
    However Walters’ attorney, Queen’s Counsel Michael Lashley, is challenging the sentence before the Court of Appeal.
    The appeal, which was filed yesterday, is arguing that the $7 000 fine is excessive.

    “We are saying that my client was unemployed at the time and this was his first conviction. And it is on that basis that we are saying the sentence is excessive and that there could be alternatives based on the Penal System Reform Act,”
    said Lashley, who is representing Walters in association with attorneys Asante Brathwaite and Kadisha Wickham.
    The senior attorney said a date has not been given for the hearing and that he was awaiting the record from the Chief Magistrate.
    “But we believe we have a good case,” Lashley told the Saturday Sun.
    The magistrates’ court had heard that lawmen responded to reports of two men in white T-shirts and wearing masks, one with a gun, along Wharf Road.
    Threw object
    When they arrived, one of the men threw an object into the Careenage and ran. However, they were caught. Walters was one of the men.
    Divers from the Police Marine Unit scoured thewaters of the Careenage in searched of the gun,but did not find it because of poor visibility and

    sediment.
    Walters was then questioned about his reason for being outside at 9:45 p.m. and told police: “I just went to the ATM.”
    He was arrested and charged for breaching the curfew.
    Court

    Damian Walters was fined $7 000 in five months for
    Report
    by Heather-Lynn Evanson
    breaking the curfew. (FP)


  3. I am not going off message, but the original investigation to Arbery’s murder was by Glynn County police; it was only when the investigation was taken over by the Georgia Bureau of Investigations that the investigation started moving.
    I won’t go in to a long argument, but it reinforces my belief that we could easily separate conventional uniformed policing from detective work and remove the detectives from having any local connections.
    One for the attorney general and his leader, a former attorney general, to contemplate.


  4. It is when the video of the incident was made public.


  5. When the Glynn County Police Department arrived at the scene of a fatal shooting in February in southeastern Georgia, officers encountered a former colleague with the victim’s blood on his hands.
    They took down his version of events and let him and his adult son, who had fired the shots, go home.
    Later that day, Wanda Cooper, the mother of the 25-year-old victim, Ahmaud Arbery, received a call from a police investigator. She recounted later that the investigator said her son had been involved in a burglary and was killed by “the homeowner,” an inaccurate version of what had happened.
    More than two months after that fatal confrontation, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, which took over the case this week, arrested the former officer, Gregory McMichael, and his son, Travis McMichael, on charges of murder and aggravated assault.
    The charges — which came after the release of a graphic video showing the killing as the two white men confront Mr. Arbery, who was African-American — made clear the depths of the local department’s bungling of the case, which was just the latest in a series of troubling episodes involving its officers……………………(Quote)

    It would be interesting if local Bajan police (and the media) were to read the build up of these charges and re-read cases such as Natalie Crichlow, Charles Herbert, Gittens, the police officer still out on bail (is he on full pay) and still not brought to trial, to see how some police forces must be controlled.
    Evidence going missing, charges not brought, cases not properly investigated, suspect police officers getting promotion, threats and bullying and a weak media and corrupt politicians and lawyers.
    Police can often become worse than the gangs they are meant to control.


  6. Many thanks, David.

    Sent from my iPhone

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  7. @ Hal:

    Are you saying that there is little or no difference between some police officers and the convict(s) behind bars? What is to be done?


  8. @Hal,

    there is no comparison between that case and the Bim cases you quoted. i am not saying that the Bim police dont get it wrong at times. but none of the cases you quoted are of that tincture. i wrote extensively on the Crichlow matter- ample evidence to agree with the police. i offered an an opinion on the Herbert issue- Herbert on the yacht that contained drug is v persuasive but you still have to prove that he had knowledge, and actual or constructive possession of the drugs, and that was always going to be an uphill battle for investigators. the police shooting matter is sub judice.


  9. @Greene

    You forgot to mention the police in Barbados charged Herbert, the DDP released him under the authority vested in the office. Does the DPP act similarly in the UK?


  10. News of the pandemic gripping the airwaves of NA almost buried the details of this crime coming to the public’s attention and it was only the release of the video that spurred the laying of charges against the accused. Note that the prosecutor’s office had refused to release the video to the family’s attorney despite repeated requests to do so.

    This is a another example of “good old boys” protecting each other, the DA one George Barnhill recused himself after sitting on the case for six weeks but not before determining that “there was insufficient probable cause” to issue arrest warrants.

    The Prosecutor’s office is the same one that laid charges against a black woman in 2012 (who was later acquitted in 2018) of electoral fraud after she assisted a first time voter in the use of voting machines the polls. These charges are laid to ensure that voter suppression remains front and centre for black voters.

    https://www.ajc.com/blog/investigations/jury-quickly-says-not-guilty-georgia-elections-case/uxbnZO4AUxmBQfTmVGZjXK/

  11. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Greene, there is however ample comparative link re politicizing police matters re Bim and US/other jurisdictions. A matter being sub judice does make it incomparable… a PO was involved in an alleged criminal matter and appears to have been given preferential treatment by his colleagues and the system… that’s is very akin to what was developing in Georgia. Has nothing to do not discssing merits or demerits of case as it before the courts.

    Let’s not be too literally about the other cases …and otherwise Austin is quite right in every other sense when he asserts “Evidence going missing, charges not brought, cases not properly investigated, suspect police officers getting promotion, threats and bullying and a weak media and corrupt politicians and lawyers.”

    Case after case n Barbados speaks to that: Mark Stokes murder, Barbarees Hill police shootout matter, Pele Case, Drugs in Diplomatic bag case, Non charges locally re ICB matter… even the much more tepid NY Consul General and dog-biting matter (although immunity applied therein)…. so let’s clear. Take the racial component out and its the Same BS in Bajan style and fashion!


  12. It’s amazing how titularly intelligent people here would continue adnausium to raise the canard about socalled black on black crime.

    You can usually tell the pedigree of field niggas by the degree to which they go out of their way to kick black ass.

    The truth is and has long been that people kill and rob those who live with or around them.

    Statistically, there is no difference between the rates of black on black crime and white on white crime. But still these cunts continue with a good sounding blood libel against black people.

    The rates clearly show that about 90 percent of black people are killed by other black people and about 90 percent of white people are killed by other white people.

    Jesus Christ man, we would have though that supposedly miseducation assholes would by now advance their thinking on these matters instead of regurgitating lies which white people have told them.

    In these circumstances, its
    representarion as a vicious form of self hatred is unavoidable. An innate desire to draw nearer to the racists.

    Thanks Sir William Skinner and the greatest Miller there has ever been.


  13. @Dee Word

    All agree there is injustice to be found everywhere. In the US there is the layer of racism to add, in Barbados it is what? Pretend you have to plot the complexity of the problem using an Area graph for Barbados, USA and the UK, then do a comparative analysis.

  14. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Pilgrim, I have no issues with your reasoning when you summarize that “If it is the case that a Grand Jury could “indict a ham sandwich”, […] What we have here, therefore, is a horribly imperfect legal system, but unfortunately the only system we have. I fear that there is nothing that the Grand Jury does today that cannot be achieved via a Preliminary Hearing, or a Special Prosecutor moving the matter swiftly forward.”

    But I will focus on “What we have here, therefore, is a horribly imperfect legal system”. Isn’t the issue checks and balances or transparency (JUSTICE must be served) guardrails that are missing … the system is as perfect as the people who run it WANT it to be! The absolute dismantling of rule of law by AG (Cohen)Barr with that new direction of the Flynn case shows that.

    Thus if we can more readily sanction bad practices it can be all good…. some progress has been made but yet it remains the problem to this day…unless you enact STRONG checks and balances of the persons implementing the directives then modifying the Grand Jury process itself will still not be enough.

    Has this new administration NOT refused to respond to Congress’s requests or subpoena as they like with no comeuppance; has it not fired a head-cop on spurious grounds; four or five Inspector General (local Auditor General basically) and counting; is it not aggressively politicizing the office of the Intel Service HQ -and all structures; has it not subverted military change of command processes with that SEAL member overruling and more recently publicly advocating that Naval Commander Crozier should be fired simply for advocating covid protection for his carrier crew!!!

    How do you ‘fix’ the people who boldly intend to subvert the very system that you fixed!

    Democracy in US for all intents and purposes is dead, good sir… at least if considered under a balanced, nuanced, liberally-minded concept of justice for the downtrodden … you know this better than I because when you walk unto that courtroom and see one of those nearly 1,000 judges appointed under this admin you feel even worst that just standing as one of only two Blacks… because you are standing ALONE it seems before the SYSTEM … and it’s WHITE (mildly to rabidly racist, xenophobic etc) and will be in place LONG AFTER this admin leaves.


  15. @ DPD,

    that is pure bollocks and false equivalency at its worst


  16. Along with the hunt for a COVID 19 vaccine there should be equal urgency to discover a treatment for rapid depletion of brain cells.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/americas-racial-contract-showing/611389/

  17. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David racism is a psychological crutch used to invoke power… I am not trying to start a psychological thesis thus I don’t want to get into back n forth with anyone on technical issues of the psyche of mankind….

    But simply stated let’s not get caught up in the racial construct in US and look past the same pervasive issues seen in Bim in almost every comparative criminal, corporate or personal problem.

    Plotting a comparative analysis re “the complexity of the problem using an Area graph for Barbados, USA and the UK” is not difficult bro.. like several here I have lived the process… in Bim among the business and govt community and then had the pleasure of the same externally.

    In simple terms whether it was in England, Mexico, DR, US and others were I traipsed I saw the SAME stuff…in Lat Am you had the folks dissing the ‘gringos’ all; in England they dissed ‘gringos’ too – as in the Yanks; All over they dissed Blacks and all over they (we) objectified women and ALL OVER squared they were corrupt in gov’t contracts, governance, generally and law enforcement..

    So I say again let’s not get caught up on the racial dynamic in US.. and (sigh) let me CLARIFY that I am NOT saying it’s NOT pervasive and odious but I am SAYING it is but ONE aspect of the psychological deficiency of mankind who seeks power .. They (we) will use whatever template to achieve the power goal….

    So in BIM racism of the US kind because CLASSISM or ELITISM … we see and know our ‘racists’ but being run down and shot is not the way it’s done here now…

    ( I actually -like others here possibly- have a direct link to a cousin who would be maybe late 90’s now if still alive who was run down and shot n Barbados by a white man (not a day in jail).. for sucking cane ! Are Bajans still racist.. damn sure but they don’t shot in cold blood again.. it’s a warm blood-letting in the board room or cabinet office!)

  18. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    OK sir explain where is the “pure bollocks” and then please the “false equivalency at its worst”!

    I did NOT dismiss your post as simply “pure bollocks and false equivalency at its worst” but clearly explained with EXAMPLES why it was not in my view in accord with what I saw

    Would you care to follow the ‘template’ or too busy to explain yourself?

  19. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    The two mutant racists look real good all decked out in neon orange.

  20. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    corrections… So in BIM racism of the US kind because CLASSISM or ELITISM should be “So in BIM racism of the US kind becomes CLASSISM or ELITISM”

    And earlier… A matter being sub judice does make it incomparable should be “A matter being sub judice does NOT make it incomparable”


  21. DPD,

    the cases cannot be compared.

    the police officer in Bim was reacting to a crime being committed. that he shot the wrong man thru fear. haste, incompetence is a far cry from the White American ex cop and his son hunting down (my words) a black guy jogging, videoing it and then bragging about. the Bim police was investigated and charged and is now before the courts in contrast to the White American ex cop and his son whose statements were accepted by the police and only arrested when the video surfaced.

    so to compare favourably the two you would have to stretch the circumstances beyond the elasticity of a very forgiving rubber band


  22. @ DPD:

    Re another imperfect legal system, you are absolutely correct.

    Who ever said that whores were only confined to The Las Vegas Strip, Lord Nelson’s Street, or the nearby Duke of Wellington’s Street, or the Garrison? Perhaps, the those who labour there have far more integrity than many a politician, e.g trump or Bojo. That is why, as one uninitiated in such matters, have often argued that “all government is a conspiracy and the Constitution is its alibi”. It follows then that we should all be conversant with the “alibi”.


  23. To be a murderer you have to have progressed beyond the brain capacity of a cave man. If the mental capacity of these killers matches their looks I would suggest that this is hardly the case. If I were their attorneys I would simply ask the jury to look at them.

    If I were Arbery I would be thankful I did not have to spend my twenty-five years looking like them. And if I looked like them I would be angry at black people too! What ugly creatures! Subhuman looking indeed!

    Soooo….. what have we learnt here?

    America is a place where black people should not wish to live. Indeed I show my son every video to keep his beautiful black ass out. There will be no fixing of that cesspool for the forseeable future. Even non-racists are addicted to the false narrative of America as the “beacon of light on the hill”. Until the non-racists can bear to face themselves in a non-distorted mirror they will limp along indefinitely. But I fear they can only take short glimpses of themselves because the reflection is just too ugly to behold for a sustained period. And so they will continue take brief superficial stabs at a system without doing enough damage to kill it.

    Bringing it back home, I recently had occasion to go to a police station and bawl their stupid asses out on my son’s behalf. I made such a commotion (but very eloquently in the queen’s English) that every one working there passed by and took a look. They appeared to be embarrassed because they knew they were wrong. After all the back and forth I left there with an apology and a promise of further sensitisation and de-escalating training for police officers. And you can be sure I will check back to see that it is done.

    And I could do this because I demonstrated that I am not ghetto or poor or uneducated. Though race is a factor in the meting out of justice in Barbados, class is even more of a factor. When one shows that one has the resources to fight the police in a credible manner one gets a different response. In all my dealings with the police up until that point I had been treated with the utmost courtesy. But that was because they were dealing with me in MY environment. NOT GHETTO!

    When my son was manhandled by the police he was walking to the Oistins bus depot after school, wearing a uniform not of the “elite” kind. He was therefore assumed to be from the lower class. When he reacted to the policeman’s unjustifiable manhandling he was threatened with being beaten to a pulp. When my son reached the police station he was able to articulate his circumstances to a smarter superior in a non-ghetto manner and was released immediately.

    The criminal justice system problem in Barbados is more that of class than race. But it is a VERY BIG PROBLEM!

  24. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Senor Greene, that you are an attorney is quite evident. Brother did you read WHAT aspect of the Bajan v US comparison I very directly made?

    I did NOT COMPARE the SPECIFICS of the case but rather the fact that “a PO was involved in an alleged criminal matter and appears to have been given preferential treatment by his colleagues and the system… that’s is very akin to what was developing in Georgia.”

    I don’t speak legalese bro…but plain English… the comparison was “preferential treatment by his colleagues and the system’.

    Same template for cops in Bim, Georgia, NY (Eric Garner) or with Philando Castile.. that was the clear point I made. If there was a vid of the incident it undoubtedly would have also been handled in the same way here as in Georgia – suppress so as not to inflame or prejudice the cop!

    Cops speak the SAME language EVERYWHERE in the world.

    I gone, hear!


  25. @Dee Word

    Yours is an esoteric exposition to no where. You have sought to associate two different scenarios.


  26. @ PILgrim

    Yes. I have said on here before. There was a time when the professional criminal culture of London was made up of people from similar backgrounds. The gangsters (ie Krays, Richards, et al), the crime reporters and the detectives shred a similar background.

    @Greene

    I am saying that accidents do happen and it does not matter if someone is killed by a man or a woman, black or white, short or tall. What matters is the post-killing process and in that there is no different between a southern US police who uses black people, mainly men, for target practice, and a Barbados cop who comes out of his home and shoots a neighbour and his colleagues try to close down the investigation.
    To suggest there is a difference is a nonsense. Why was he given bail, preceded by a week attorney general prime the public before his release; why did all those over-weight khaki-uniformed officers crowded in to the court on his committal and not allow the dead man’s partner in to the court; is the police officer on paid leave, we still have not been told? And was the gun used a service weapon or his private own? We still have not been told.
    We can play little legal games by talking about the facts in each case are different. The bottom line is that the killer knows that he has the support of his fellow officers.
    @Greene, remember the 2011 riots in London? What caused that? Every UK riot has been cause by officers abusing their positions. The Charles Herbert case was not one of direct murder, although we can argue that the abuse of drugs will lead to a premature death; it was about whether or not there was a prima facie case to bring him to trial. He was charged, thereby establishing the prima facie case; the case should then have gone to trial by judge and jury to determine innocence of guilt.
    Some may say the DPP acted on pressure from higher up; I could not possibly comment and have no evidence of such. But, if he professionally thought there was insufficient evidence to proceed with the prosecution, then there was need for a public explanation; and if, further, the prosecution was not in the public interest we at least deserve an explanation of what she meant by public interest.
    I HAVE SPENT A WORKING LIFE TALKING ABOUT THE PIBLIC INTEREST AND WILL LOVE TO SEE HER INTERPRETATION.
    The bottom line is that there is equivalency in police corruption; circumstances determine the difference in execution. A police officer who objects to the so-called canteen culture can always resign,.

  27. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David I am perplexed by your comment (as I am often by BU reasoning)… what pray tell are the “two different scenarios” I have sought to associate together so illogically?

    I have equated police CODDLING of their own here or in US or elsewhere… can you PLEASE explain what is different about ANY scenario where a PO authority uses its control to tip the scale of justice in favor of a former,off-duty or current cop caught in a possible criminal act?

    What is “esoteric” about that reality of life? Don’t just shoot from the finger,bro EXPLAIN yourself! … I have done so extensively above so please do at least the same.

    I am not asking anyone to AGREE with me but at minimum show where what I say does NOT mimic REALITY.

  28. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
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    @Hal Austin May 9, 2020 1:51 PM
    A difference in degree IS a difference. When White boys in Barbados hunt black joggers for sport then you will be able to assert that there is no difference.

  29. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    Black joggers^


  30. @ PLT

    Oh please. I am not joining you in this argument. It is bogus.


  31. cases turn on their own merit / circumstances. i am not saying that some in the Bim police are not corrupt or mistreat citizens. you seem to be saying that the way the Georgia police treated the ex white police and his son killing a black man is somehow comparable with the way black Bim Policemen treated a black police who killed a black man. nothing can be further from the truth. please examine the circumstances, circumstances which you want to gloss over. you cant

    to repeat-the police officer in Bim was reacting to a crime being committed. that he shot the wrong man thru fear, haste, incompetence is a far cry from the White American ex cop and his son hunting down (my words) a black guy jogging, videoing it and then bragging. the Bim police was investigated and charged and is now before the courts in contrast to the White American ex cop and his son whose statements were accepted by the police and only arrested when the video surfaced.

    clearly the two circumstances are different and clearly the two policemen were they treated differently.

    you want to say look at the post investigation. well let’s look. in the American scenario the post investigation action (if one can be so generous) was to believe the statement of the ex police and his son and close the case. in Bim the police was taken to court and bailed. that the Bim police was accorded some respect you can find fault but what would be the point of treating him any other way?

    in Bim the matter of whether a person is bailed or not has v little to do with the police. it is a matter for the magistrate or judge after the prosecution, normally a police at a certain stage of the proceedings in Bim, offer their objections. but remember bail is a right and many in Bim have been bailed for murder. so why not a police?

    that other policemen appeared in Court in apparent support of a colleague is neither here nor there. persons involved in such occupations will do that. it is a show of support and does not go to whether they believe the police is innocent or not. but i am sure many recognised that the police may have reacted wrongly if not hastily and not necessarily with malice. BTW lawyers and other professions show support when a colleague appears before the courts too.

    do you remember how the Bim police investigated and treated the police ballistic examiner Annel and the former well known detective Rat Jones? both were investigated, arrested and placed before the courts. how about the other cop who was arrested for breaking into a shop somewhere in Holetown or Speightstown? again he was arrested and placed before the courts

    so yes, i am saying that the neither the Bim police shooting and the black jogger shooting cases nor the post investigation action, as you put it, can be compared, and any effort , pre or post investigation, to link them in that way are false equivalencies.


  32. @ Greene

    You live in a country that to be black is a criminal offence. I remember as a young man reading a Home Office report that said that if a Jamaican prisoner kept away from other black prisoners he would be a good egg. Even as a young man I was shocked by that conclusion.
    As a lawyer I am sure you have heard in court on numerous occasions when the magistrates ask if anything is known about the accused the police reply ‘nothing is known’. They never say s/he is of good character. That means, in police speak, that we just have not found out anything, but we are sure if we look carefully something would be found.
    @Greene, the point is covering up for each other. In all large organisations you get the same institutional dishonesty. As far as the two Georgia killers were concerned the man was not jogging, he was running away from a crime.
    It does not mean officers do not arrest each other, it depends on the circumstances. Protecting the system must come first, thus the nonsense of rotten apples. It is never the system, just one officer gone bad. Do you remember the guy Ali Dizaei, read up on his case.

  33. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Well we done know that inbred racists ain’t too bring being filled with all that hate for Black people, so this comes as no surprise at all that this retarded racist could not see that he was actually locking up the other two retarded racists…lol

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8302641/Attorney-leaked-Ahmaud-Arbery-lynching-video-thought-CLEAR-friends.html?ito=facebook_share_fbia-top&fbclid=IwAR0Q1DTpLhjTmZkEoto-vmuLj-09hcsPueC1uY_IvOl2BMjsz346ehKr_eo

    “Shocking video that showed two white men shooting unarmed black jogger Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia was leaked to the press by assailants’ close friend who believed it would clear them of any crime.

    Attorney Alan Tucker told Inside Edition Friday that he was responsible for releasing the footage, which showed his pals Gregory and Travis McMichael engaged in a fatal altercation with Arbery in Brunswick on February 23.

    ‘I really thought releasing the video would put the truth out to the public,’ Tucker stated.

    ‘If he [Arbery] had just froze and hadn’t done anything, then he wouldn’t have been shot.’

  34. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Well we done know that inbred racists ain’t too BRIGHT being filled with all that hate for Black people…lol

  35. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Let’s hope, as their lawyer, he also represents both racists at their upcoming trial, since he was so competent at getting them both locked up….we just can’t make this up…it will be worth watching, that’s for sure..


  36. @Greene

    Very well articulated, and that is a lock!

  37. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David and @Greene…

    Mr Blogmaster you did not respond to my query of your post and as articulate as Senor Green was above it does not fit your narrative.

    Senor Greene WHY are you prosecuting the SPECIFICS of the case… THAT is NOT the point and I have twice said that. If we are going to discuss a matter then PLEASE let agree WHAT is being discussed…. There is ABSOLUTELY no COMPARISON to Ahmaud case and our local PO… it would be ABSURD for me to suggest such but the ‘TINCTURE’ of police fraternal collegiality to their comrades is certainly the same!

    I speak to the issue of “preferential treatment by police officials offer to colleagues caught in the system…. there is NO difference in Bim or Georgia or London.

  38. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Greene re “you want to say look at the post investigation. well let’s look. in the American scenario the post investigation action […]”

    Tell me something… did local Police do a proper investigation when that young-man fell off that cliff n the presence of a group of police officers? When Ms Goring the daughter of a ranking officer (as I recall) was involved in an alleged murder (Pele) was she not giving preferential treatment when the officers go to the scene?

    Why do we act as if the psychology of people in Bim is so different from anywhere else in the world. The pernicious racism of the US is replaced by bullying, classism and all other forms of controlling power.

    re “in Bim the matter of whether a person is bailed or not has v little to do with the police. it is a matter for the magistrate or judge after the prosecution, […]?”

    ++Bro, I have no problem with bail …and the process you described is about the same the world over… it’s ALWAYS the DPP/DA/prosecutor who will initiate the charge and at the discretion of the judiciary the bail process is denied/accepted.

    re “that other policemen appeared in Court in apparent support of a colleague is neither here nor there. persons involved in such occupations will do that. it is a show of support […].”

    ++Of course one will support a colleague in moments before a court BUT in those cases when POs appear in full uniform the word moves from the euphemistic support to INTIMIDATION-INFLUENCING THE OUTCOME. …. I am and have always been a law-biding citizen and fully respect POs but lets be REAL please.

    “do you remember how the Bim police investigated and treated the police ballistic examiner Annel and the former well known detective Rat Jones? […]”

    ++Yes, so what is the point bro. Many cops have been investigated indicted and imprisoned over the years (not so much in Bim). Mr Junior Annel fell from grace as other local cops have …but in the context of THIS debate the POINT is ‘WAS HE GIVEN PREFERENTIALLY TREATMENT AT THE FRONT END OR DURING THE INVESTIGATION ‘… based on my understanding of that case the answer is a resounding YES… it is NOT whether he was charged or even jailed!

    So to repeat its about the “preferential treatment by police officials offered to colleagues caught in the system.

    Show me how THAT that differs, PLEASE.


  39. @Hal,

    you are otherwise correct about your arguments but your comparison of the two matters are off.

    of course police accord each other professional courtesy but in my experience not for certain offences, especially in the UK although that has changed over the years with the professional standards conduct policy. which to me has gone awry and is a way for police management to get promoted by weeding out the so called bad elements or as they put it so euphemistically, managing away the problem.

    many an English cop has been fired unfairly for some minor issue because a chief inspector wants to be a superintendent etc. and there is no longer esprit de corps in the service there.

    @DPD,

    if you want to say- I speak to the issue of “preferential treatment by police officials offer to colleagues caught in the system…. there is NO difference in Bim or Georgia or London- there is absolutely no need to utilise these matter as examples.

  40. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Senor, so you worked hard and articulately for you fees but the case should be dismissed based on your erroneous reasoning 🙂

    From moment one that was the point I made… YOU were the one delineating the specifics of the two cases NOT me..

    …a PO was involved in an alleged criminal matter and appears to have been given preferential treatment by his colleagues and the system… that’s is very akin to what was developing in Georgia. Has nothing to do not discussing merits or demerits of case as it is before the courts. […] Let’s not be too literally about the other cases …and otherwise Austin is quite right in every other sense when he asserts “Evidence going missing, charges not brought, cases not properly investigated, suspect police officers getting promotion, threats and bullying and a weak media and corrupt politicians and lawyers.”*

    That was my opening premiss so I am glad you finally agree with all that. 🙂


  41. @ Greene

    You are going in to fine details that are irrelevant. Of course they object to certain types of crime committed by their colleagues, but ill-treating or even killing a black person is not one.
    I know a guy, a former detective chief inspector, who was transferred to internal investigations, and if I asked any of his former colleagues how he was doing I got the worst opprobrium. Previously he was hugely popular. The idea of investigating wrong-doing by fellow officers is looked down upon.
    Ultimately, it is the institution that must prevail and they will support each other until it reaches a point. About accused persons getting bail, nonsense. Magistrates in particular, but Crown Court judges also, give enormous support to police.
    In Barbados we have the ridiculous situation of police officers prosecuting (in a country with over 1000 practising lawyers) giving the most silly reasons for opposing bail – and magistrates remanding the accused on their say so.
    In fact you are right about innocent officers getting the sack. Explain whey the pipeline for black officers is often so short: lots in and out within two years, the probationary period? Remember the recent case of the Bajan poster girl, Carol Howard, who served in the diplomatic protection squad? How about Kevin Maxwell? There are lots more, and that has nothing to do with people not promoted.
    The criminal justice system, in all common law jurisdictions, are heavily weighed against the accused – unless the accused comes from the right background and has the right connections. Just ask Charles Herbert.
    But police racism is a category of its own; when we send Bajan officers to undertake courses in the UK, US and Canada, we send them to learn these very racist methods, only it is called ‘good’ policing.


  42. America is a place where black people should not wish to live. Indeed I show my son every video to keep his beautiful black ass out. There will be no fixing of that cesspool for the forseeable future. Even non-racists are addicted to the false narrative of America as the “beacon of light on the hill”. Until the non-racists can bear to face themselves in a non-distorted mirror they will limp along indefinitely. But I fear they can only take short glimpses of themselves because the reflection is just too ugly to behold for a sustained period. And so they will continue take brief superficial stabs at a system without doing enough damage to kill it.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    WHAT A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

    TODAY I READ LITTLE RICHARD OF ROCK OF ROLL FAME WAS KICKED OUT BY HIS BLACK FATHER WHO THOUGHT HE WAS GAY AND MADE HIM HOMELESS AS A VERY YOUNG TEENAGER.

    LITTLE RICHARD WAS TAKEN IN BY A WHITE COUPLE WHO GAVE HIM A ROOF AND STABILITY BEFORE HE FOUND FAME.

    LITTLE RICHARD HAS JUST DIED.

    I ALSO MET WITH 3 BLACK AMERICANS VISITING OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY THIS MORNING AND EACH HAD A STORY TO TELL HOW THEY WERE HELPED BY SOME WHITE PEOPLE INCLUDING ONE WITH ASSISTANCE FROM WHITE POLICE IN ANOTHER PART OF GEORGIA USA SAVING HIM FROM INCARCERATION EVEN THOUGH HE ADMITTED HE WAS IN THE WRONG.

    IT IS EASY TO TARGET EVERYONE WHITE IN THE USA WITH THE SAME BRUSH AS HIGHLIGHTED BY THE MEDIA FOR VIEWERSHIP RIGHTFULLY OR WRONGFULLY.

    WHAT THESE TWO REDNECKS DID IN GEORGIA WAS WRONG AND WILL BE PUNISHED IN TIME BASED ON THE EXPOSURE/VIDEO.

    BLACKS IN CHICAGO EVEN DURING THIS CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC ARE STILL KILLING OTHERS BLACKS AT RECORD NUMBERS AT 3 TIMES THE NUMBERS IN NEW YORK A CITY SEVERAL TIMES LARGER.

    WHETHER A BLACK PERSON IS BEING KILLED BY ANOTHER BLACK OR WHITE IS THE SAME SHIT.

    SAME GOES IN BARBADOS WHERE MANY BLACKS LIVE LIKE ANIMALS HENCE RECORD NUMBERS OF MURDERS 2019 BLACKS MURDERING BLACKS.

    ONLY IDIOTS BUY INTO A LOT OF THE BULLSHIT I HAVE READ ON THE COMMENTS WHILST RACISM IS REAL IN USA, BRITAIN, CANADA IT IS EQUALLY PERVERSE IN BARBADOS.

    THE REALITY IS THAT BLACKS ARE MORE THEIR ENEMY IN KILLING AND INJURING EACH OTHER THAN THE WHITE MAN IN 2020 AND THAT IS ALL OVER GLOBALLY.

    THESE 2 GUYS DESERVE TO BE PUNISHED FOR THEIR RACIST ATTITUDE AND MURDERING BEHAVIOUR HOWEVER TO CAST ASPERSIONS ON A WHOLE RACE IS NOT ONLY STUPIDITY BUT NARROW MINDNESS ESPECIALLY WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN THE BACKYARD OF BARBADOS AND THE CARIBBEAN REGION.

    IT SEEMS IT IS AN OUTRAGE WHEN WHITES KILL BLACKS BUT NOT WHEN BLACKS KILL OTHER BLACKS SEEMING BUSINESS AS USUAL.

    WAY TOO MUCH HYPOCRISY AND IGNORANCE.

    PLEASE KEEP YOUR SON IN BARBADOS HE WILL GROW UP JUST AS SMALL MINDED AND STUPID AS YOU ARE.


  43. @ Hal,

    you make some good points. i have little issue (i am not prepared to debate the objectionable bits) with what you posit.

    however i will not agree with the comparison between the Bim police case and the Georgia matter.

    we will have to agree to disagree

    @DPD,

    if you invoke this argument- …a PO was involved in an alleged criminal matter and appears to have been given preferential treatment by his colleagues and the system… that’s is very akin to what was developing in Georgia- i will continue to insist that you are incorrect.

    you fail to see that using the Georgia ex police shooting, as an example, no matter how general you camouflage it, is a problem. there is no comparison. it is quite distinct, for all all the reasons i have expressed previously.

    i will agree, however, from my experience, that police officer generally accord colleagues professional courtesy

  44. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    “IT SEEMS IT IS AN OUTRAGE WHEN WHITES KILL BLACKS BUT NOT WHEN BLACKS KILL OTHER BLACKS SEEMING BUSINESS AS USUAL.”

    There is a racist now trying to get into Barbados’ parliament, the reason why no one is really taking Atherley’s party seriously, he said straight up when there was a robbery and assault on some tourist some months ago…..that it’s ok for black bajans to rob each other but not the tourist because that is how they eat…this is a dishonest businessman who should be in a prison somewhere, not only did he highlight the UGLY DEPENDENCY THAT IS TOURISM but he also succeeded in showing everyone how Blacks are thought of by the piece a shit rejects for racists in Barbados and everyone thought what he said was alright, except for the few who put him in his place…even blacks believe that selling out, setting up, robbing and killing each other is quite normal…and that twisted, pscho philosophy has always been the norm on the island apparently since post emancipation…in the wicked minds of those who engineered it, blacks forever being their own worse enemy has morphed into blacks being perpetual victims targeted by each other…


  45. “…a PO was involved in an alleged criminal matter and appears to have been given preferential treatment by his colleagues and the system…”

    @ de pedantic Dribbler

    Your above comments reminded me of the Amber Guyger case. Recall Guyger, a white Dallas police officer who went on trial for murder in the death of her unarmed neighbour, 26 year old St. Lucian, Botham Jean, in September 2018.

    She was INITIALLY charged with manslaughter, because it was being suggested she “acted recklessly” in causing the death of Jean. After protests the charge was upgraded to murder, but not ‘capital murder.’ In Texas, there is a distinction between ‘capital murder’ and ‘murder.’

    I’m sure you’re aware of this case, so, I won’t have bore you and the forum with in depth details. However, during her trial, former Dallas police chief Craig Miller was called by the defense as an expert witness to testify about a temporary condition called “inattentional blindness”.

    Although Miller admitted the condition was not universally accepted in the scientific community, he said, based on “the totality of the evidence,” he thought Guyger was justified in shooting Jean, whose apartment Guyger said she entered after mistaking it for her own.

    So, it was clear case of “preferential treatment” by the judicial system.


  46. @ PLT , please give us your expert opinion on the document below, please avoid putting your ass in your mouth.

    THE SV-40 VIRUS: HAS TAINTED POLIO VACCINE CAUSED AN INCREASE IN CANCER

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                     WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2003
    
                  House of Representatives,
         Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness,
                            Committee on Government Reform,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:30 p.m., in 
    

    room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Dan Burton
    (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.
    Present: Representatives Burton, Watson, and Cummings.
    Staff present: Mark Walker, staff director; John Rowe and
    Brian Fauls, professional staff members; Mindi Walker,
    professional staff member and clerk; Nick Mutton, press
    secretary; Sarah Despres, Tony Haywood, and Jeff Baran,
    minority counsels; and Cecelia Morton, minority office manager.
    Mr. Burton. Good afternoon. A quorum being present, the
    Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness will come to order,
    and I ask unanimous consent that all Members and witnesses’
    written and opening statements be included in the record, and
    without objection so ordered. I ask unanimous consent that all
    articles, exhibits and extraneous or tabular material referred
    to be included in the record, and without objection so ordered.
    And we may have some other Members that may want to come. I
    don’t know. We have invited them who are interested in the
    vaccination issue. If they come I ask unanimous consent that
    they be allowed to participate and we’ll enumerate them as they
    come assuming they are here.
    Immunization to protect people from infectious diseases was
    one of the greatest public health advances of the 20th century.
    I don’t think anybody argues with the fact that it’s made us
    the luckiest people in the world as far as health is concerned.
    However, immunization is a very different medical procedure
    than treating an active disease or injury. Immunizations
    introduce a potentially disease causing agent into a healthy
    body and all experts agree that no immunization is without
    risks………….

    The development of the polio vaccines in the 1950’s and
    early 1960’s was especially welcome because of the devastating
    toll of death, disability and suffering that polio caused. I
    can remember my mother wouldn’t let me go outside, was worried
    about flies getting in water that might infect you. And I
    remember those horrible, horrible machines that children had to
    live in for the rest of their lives. It was just tragic. So the
    polio vaccine really was beneficial to mankind as well as U.S.
    citizens.
    However, some parents and a growing number of scientists
    now believe that the government did not ensure the purity,
    potency, and safety of some of the polio vaccines and that a
    breach of the public trust did in fact occur. There is no
    dispute that millions of Americans received polio vaccines that
    were contaminated with the virus called Simian Virus 40, or SV-
    40. There also is no dispute that SV-40 is capable of causing
    cancer, but there is a major dispute as to how many Americans
    may have received the contaminated vaccine, with estimates
    ranging from 4 million to 100 million people. There is also a
    major dispute as to when the polio vaccine supply got cleaned
    up. In addition, nobody knows how many people got sick or died
    because of the contaminated vaccines.

  47. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    Yippee…the two mutants are in for the long haul..

    https://bit.ly/2SOy1pb?fbclid=IwAR3E2LzUkhpvTaiTyCNaq3ApOlAspDvndDI45C4XJe9UQ87SBrm8_WxqRLc

    “By WTOC Staff | May 8, 2020 at 11:32 AM EDT – Updated May 8 at 6:43 PM
    GLYNN COUNTY, Ga. (WTOC) – A judge officially denied bond for Gregory and Travis McMichael on Friday.

    The former law enforcement officer and his son are charged in the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery. Both are charged with felony murder and aggravated assault.

    Graphic cell phone video led to a national uproar over the case and the fact that no one had been arrested.”

  48. WURA-War-on-U Avatar
    WURA-War-on-U

    There is no doubt that vaccines have been very useful over the decades, but there is also no doubt that there have been MANY COCKUPS…it always depends on who is FUNDING THE PROJECTS and their INTENT….

    ….no need to look any further than the obvious destructive intent for Africa by Gates, the only way to prevent another genocide on African people is to ban Gates and his gang permanently from Africa, but again, they never needed him, Africa has its own CDC,so that clown has no right being there, but some Black leaders and their weak mentality is the direct cause of him being allowed to crawl around the continent like he owns it, leaders who continue to promote that curse in their people’s lives…the curse of black leaders with weak minds..

    India had the presence of mind to kick him….

  49. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Rck33 May 9, 2020 7:59 PM
    WTF?? I have no idea what it is that you have posted here… but if you are asking me for an expert opinion then it had better concern the things in which I am an expert: entrepreneurship, social entrepreneurship, grant writing, fundraising, wooden sailboats, or Barbados rum. On some other matters I simply have a garden variety opinion. On whatever it is that you have posted I have no opinion at all.

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