The following was posted by Peter Lawrence Thompson to another blog. Given the many unknowns about the COVID 19 virus the blogmaster thought it useful to repost. Obviously the target is the medical community – David, Blogmaster

 


This has a lot of medical jargon, but if you read it carefully it gives a picture of what front line medical staff are faced with. I was written by an Emergency MD in a New Orleans hospital – Peter Lawrence Thompson

“I am an ER MD in New Orleans. Class of 98. Every one of my colleagues have now seen several hundred Covid 19 patients and this is what I think I know.

Clinical course is predictable.
2-11 days after exposure (day 5 on average) flu like symptoms start. Common are fever, headache, dry cough, myalgias(back pain), nausea without vomiting, abdominal discomfort with some diarrhea, loss of smell, anorexia, fatigue.

Day 5 of symptoms- increased SOB, and bilateral viral pneumonia from direct viral damage to lung parenchyma.

Day 10- Cytokine storm leading to acute ARDS and multiorgan failure. You can literally watch it happen in a matter of hours.

81% mild symptoms, 14% severe symptoms requiring hospitalization, 5% critical.

Patient presentation is varied. Patients are coming in hypoxic (even 75%) without dyspnea. I have seen Covid patients present with encephalopathy, renal failure from dehydration, DKA. I have seen the bilateral interstitial pneumonia on the xray of the asymptomatic shoulder dislocation or on the CT’s of the (respiratory) asymptomatic polytrauma patient. Essentially if they are in my ER, they have it. Seen three positive flu swabs in 2 weeks and all three had Covid 19 as well. Somehow this ***** has told all other disease processes to get out of town.

China reported 15% cardiac involvement. I have seen covid 19 patients present with myocarditis, pericarditis, new onset CHF and new onset atrial fibrillation. I still order a troponin, but no cardiologist will treat no matter what the number in a suspected Covid 19 patient. Even our non covid 19 STEMIs at all of our facilities are getting TPA in the ED and rescue PCI at 60 minutes only if TPA fails.

Diagnostic
CXR- bilateral interstitial pneumonia (anecdotally starts most often in the RLL so bilateral on CXR is not required). The hypoxia does not correlate with the CXR findings. Their lungs do not sound bad. Keep your stethoscope in your pocket and evaluate with your eyes and pulse ox.

Labs- WBC low, Lymphocytes low, platelets lower then their normal, Procalcitonin normal in 95%
CRP and Ferritin elevated most often. CPK, D-Dimer, LDH, Alk Phos/AST/ALT commonly elevated.
Notice D-Dimer- I would be very careful about CT PE these patients for their hypoxia. The patients receiving IV contrast are going into renal failure and on the vent sooner.

Basically, if you have a bilateral pneumonia with normal to low WBC, lymphopenia, normal procalcitonin, elevated CRP and ferritin- you have covid-19 and do not need a nasal swab to tell you that.

A ratio of absolute neutrophil count to absolute lymphocyte count greater than 3.5 may be the highest predictor of poor outcome. the UK is automatically intubating these patients for expected outcomes regardless of their clinical presentation.

An elevated Interleukin-6 (IL6) is an indicator of their cytokine storm. If this is elevated watch these patients closely with both eyes.

Other factors that appear to be predictive of poor outcomes are thrombocytopenia and LFTs 5x upper limit of normal.

Disposition
I had never discharged multifocal pneumonia before. Now I personally do it 12-15 times a shift. 2 weeks ago we were admitting anyone who needed supplemental oxygen. Now we are discharging with oxygen if the patient is comfortable and oxygenating above 92% on nasal cannula. We have contracted with a company that sends a paramedic to their home twice daily to check on them and record a pulse ox. We know many of these patients will bounce back but if it saves a bed for a day we have accomplished something. Obviously we are fearful some won’t make it back.

We are a small community hospital. Our 22 bed ICU and now a 4 bed Endoscopy suite are all Covid 19. All of these patients are intubated except one. 75% of our floor beds have been cohorted into covid 19 wards and are full. We are averaging 4 rescue intubations a day on the floor. We now have 9 vented patients in our ER transferred down from the floor after intubation.

Luckily we are part of a larger hospital group. Our main teaching hospital repurposed space to open 50 new Covid 19 ICU beds this past Sunday so these numbers are with significant decompression. Today those 50 beds are full. They are opening 30 more by Friday. But even with the “lockdown”, our AI models are expecting a 200-400% increase in covid 19 patients by 4/4/2020.

Treatment
Supportive

worldwide 86% of covid 19 patients that go on a vent die. Seattle reporting 70%. Our hospital has had 5 deaths and one patient who was extubated. Extubation happens on day 10 per the Chinese and day 11 per Seattle.

Plaquenil which has weak ACE2 blockade doesn’t appear to be a savior of any kind in our patient population. Theoretically, it may have some prophylactic properties but so far it is difficult to see the benefit to our hospitalized patients, but we are using it and the studies will tell. With Plaquenil’s potential QT prolongation and liver toxic effects (both particularly problematic in covid 19 patients), I am not longer selectively prescribing this medication as I stated on a previous post.

We are also using Azithromycin, but are intermittently running out of IV.

Do not give these patient’s standard sepsis fluid resuscitation. Be very judicious with the fluids as it hastens their respiratory decompensation. Outside the DKA and renal failure dehydration, leave them dry.

Proning vented patients significantly helps oxygenation. Even self proning the ones on nasal cannula helps.

Vent settings- Usual ARDS stuff, low volume, permissive hypercapnia, etc. Except for Peep of 5 will not do. Start at 14 and you may go up to 25 if needed.

Do not use Bipap- it does not work well and is a significant exposure risk with high levels of aerosolized virus to you and your staff. Even after a cough or sneeze this virus can aerosolize up to 3 hours.

The same goes for nebulizer treatments. Use MDI. you can give 8-10 puffs at one time of an albuterol MDI. Use only if wheezing which isn’t often with covid 19. If you have to give a nebulizer must be in a negative pressure room; and if you can, instruct the patient on how to start it after you leave the room.

Do not use steroids, it makes this worse. Push out to your urgent cares to stop their usual practice of steroid shots for their URI/bronchitis.

We are currently out of Versed, Fentanyl, and intermittently Propofol. Get the dosing of Precedex and Nimbex back in your heads.

One of my colleagues who is a 31 yo old female who graduated residency last may with no health problems and normal BMI is out with the symptoms and an SaO2 of 92%. She will be the first of many.

I PPE best I have. I do wear a MaxAir PAPR the entire shift. I do not take it off to eat or drink during the shift. I undress in the garage and go straight to the shower. My wife and kids fled to her parents outside Hattiesburg. The stress and exposure at work coupled with the isolation at home is trying. But everyone is going through something right now. Everyone is scared; patients and employees. But we are the leaders of that emergency room. Be nice to your nurses and staff. Show by example how to tackle this crisis head on. Good luck to us all.”

170 responses to “Open Note to Doctors – COVID 19 Notes”


  1. @robert lucas April 2, 2020 6:08 PM “You should study the attached article below. It tends to support the idea that China down-played the extent of the infection.”

    When posting articles please post the source as well so that we can verify. Thanks.

    Source: Such and such website, newspaper, broadcast, such and such date etc.


  2. @Hal Austin April 2, 2020 7:05 AM “The evidence is in favor of the virus having originated in the U.S., not China.”

    Please Sir: Where is the evidence?


  3. Hal, the “leaders” of countries accepting loans and most likely bribes from China better comprehend that the Chinese CP do not play games with people on their target list eg Muslims in Western China, any dissident tendency within China like the scientists and Docs who tried to expose the Virus truths. The CCP has employed the very latest Tech to keep their citizens under absolute control. Indeed massive Corps like Google / Twitter have not been permitted to exploit business in China and are / will do anything to curry favour in China. Google is helping the CCP to totally dominate the Chinese people. XI does not want to just dominate China or the World for the CCP but has Genghis Khan designs. Please note GK controlled 12 million square miles in the 1200s without high or low Tech!!!! GK would have over run Western Europe had it not been that his father died and he was forced to retun home to Mongolia to manage his homeland.

    Anyway my contribution here is really to present info on the COVID as I did @12.14 am this morning.

    Please google—Sermo Global Survey for details.


  4. @Robert Lucas,

    you listen to Tucker Carlson? no wonder outside of your profession you talk so much shiite. if that idiot speaks anything close to the truth it is a coincidence. he is pure rightwing nutjob propaganda.

    i remember years ago i happened to tune in to Rush Limbaugh. i had never heard of him before but when i listened i was in awe. i thought i had died and gone to some alternate reality. the man talked pure unbridled crap. no wonder the USA is so messed up. these wingnuts spout crap and when proven wrong ask people not to believe scientists, doctors etc. or pivot to some other conspiracy theory. they are all whack jobs

    this man was a GOP strategist and he tells you how the party has lost its itself


  5. Please google—Sermo COVID Global Survey of Doctors for details. Includes the detailed dosages.


  6. @ Greene April 3, 2020 7:46 AM
    I stated some of the people and media outlets I sometimes view. Recently, Tucker has been highly critical of some of Trump’s action. I all also watch Epoch Times, Gravitas, Cross Talk and the Middle East station that is giving BBC a run for its money. Most of the former Trump workers thought that Trump was Stupid. He fired them Some are disgruntled and keep a lot of noise. I analyzed things for myself. I am curious as to your line of reasoning. You watch like me these various outlets and can come to an opinion. I watch various outlets and my conclusion s are wrong. It appears that I can only analyze scientific stuff. Scientists have to analyzed highly abstract ideas, much more difficult than current affairs. We are both watching current affairs and forming conclusion. According to you, as some one trained in the sciences I can’t have any sensible conclusions on current affairs.
    I am off to town now.


  7. @Robert Lucas,

    scientists do not have a monopoly on sense and reasoning, you know. when you talk science, agriculture you make sense. it is when you venture into politics and the social science arena that we part sides.

    anyway please have your walkabout and report your sightings. i enjoy them


  8. Hal Austin April 2, 2020 7:05 AM “The evidence is in favor of the virus having originated in the U.S., not China.”
    Please Sir: Where is the evidence?(Quote)

    ?????

    This woman is not only silly, she is a fabricator and economical with the truth. It is not the first time she has fabricated things about me, but it is getting worse.
    Plse publish where I have said the above, or even agreed with it. I know there is not a culture of asking questions on BU, but it is a good habit to get in to.


  9. Greene, this “strategist” failed with Romney. Romney accepted Trump’s endorsement and has refused to return that favour but still wanted a high position in the Admin which Trump played with him like a lil puppy dog. hahaha. Romney has been playing in Ukraine with the DEMs like Biden et al they are only interested in CONNING the public and fulfilling their NET WORTH ENHANCEMENT Plan. There are stinkers on both political sides just as in BIM. Elections are about assessing the least corrupt hopefully with good ideas to develop the country and its people.


  10. @ Greene April 3, 2020 8:15 AM

    I have done courses in economics, farm management and agricultural extension(also called agricultural sociology) and have actually worked as an extension officer in agriculture. You are trying to imply that political science and social science is some thing novel that a it takes a rocket scientist to study. It is not. Every citizen by his or her inter-action with others practices the social sciences. As for political science two of the best politicians have been scientists Thatcher and Merkel ,the former a chemist and the latter a physicist, who ran rings around persons who had graduated as political scientists. The two examples cited reveals that the courses you are hollering about are to put it mildly, Thatcher lemonade courses. No disrespect to you.


  11. @Robert Lucas

    quote] Every citizen by his or her inter-action with others practices the social sciences.[unquote

    that is quite true. however whilst that may be so, i maintain that equally scientists do not have a monopoly on logic or even have the personality skills to interface with the public at certain levels. you mentioned Thatcher but i suspect you dont know how Brits think of the Thatcher years. i will that for Hal to explain.

    anyway keep up the walkabouts if you can. and be safe


  12. @ Greene April 3, 2020 3:46 PM

    Thanks. I thought about going back into town, but decided not to. This morning at the bottom of Swan St,.there was a fellow keeping some noise but he had some wisdom in what he was saying. He commented on the fact that there were people in jail in small cubicles serving twenty-five years, who could not complain and that Barbadians were keeping noise about a two-week restriction. He also commented on how the poor was treated by having to wait in line exposed to viral infection. The people are afraid and so too are the authorities, having to handle an invisible enemy.


  13. @ Ping Pong,

    Jamaica has so much talent and potential. This is such an uplifting and a positive story.


  14. Surely any journalist, scientist, or academic ought to understand that one ought not to quote others without attribution?

    In academic circles to quote others without attribution is a serious offense.

    Surely even those if us who were learnt by rote understand that?

    If the wordsare not your words they ought not to appear on the blog under your name, unless and until you quote exactly where the original words came from.

    Nope. It is not enough to write quote after writing, or copying and pasting the words of another, without attribution the words to the original author.

    All MEN have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

    You too.


  15. This virus is an enemy that cannot be kept out by walls, immigration authorities, police nor armies.

    What a ting tho’.

    The little bugger got we all in a headlock.


  16. @Silly Woman April 3, 2020 7:07 AM

    The source is attached . Re-read the attached article.


  17. Moneybrain and PLT
    Did some more research on the possible benefits of Hydoxychloroquine in the treatment of covid-19 related complications. I came across the following scientific paper. Readers can jump to the conclusion.

    https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surface_Glycoprotein_Inhibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173/5

    If the findings of this paper are correct then the implication is that going on a ventilator may be predictive of a poor outcome but ” chloroquine could prevent orf1ab, ORF3a, and ORF10 to attack the heme to form the porphyrin, and inhibit the binding of ORF8 and surface glycoproteins to porphyrins to a certain extent, effectively relieve the symptoms of respiratory distress.”


  18. On a related note the Nation newspaper has reported the 100 Cuban medical personnel brought with them a batch of Interferon Alpha-2B Recombinant (IFNec). The drug was reportedly developed by Cuban and Chinese scientists.

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