Read about Barbadian Abbey Greene who followed her husband to Syria to join ISIS. Trini, Bajan woman on life with ISIS: We thought it was irie Newsday 2 Days Ago Aliya Abdul Haqq in Trinidad before leaving to join ISIS in Syria along with her brother. – SIMON COTTEE Aliya Abdul Haqq, one of the…
Read about Barbadian Abbey Greene who followed her husband to Syria to join ISIS.
Trini, Bajan woman on life with ISIS: We thought it was irie
Newsday Aliya Abdul Haqq in Trinidad before leaving to join ISIS in Syria along with her brother. –
SIMON COTTEE
Aliya Abdul Haqq, one of the hundred or so TT citizens currently stranded in the Al Hol camp in Syria, recently told two foreign journalists that life inside the ISIS caliphate was “irie” – a Jamaican expression for nice or cool. Abdul Haqq, 34, is the sister of Tariq Abdul Haqq, a former lawyer and Commonwealth Games boxing finalist who traded his enviable life in Trinidad for war and death in Syria.
Abdul Haqq was interviewed alongside Abbey Greene, 33, who is from Barbados and was married to Abdul Haqq’s brother Tariq.
If you want to know what an unrepentant female ISIS member sounds like, you could do worse than listen to the Popular Front podcast interview with these two sisters. It makes for spine-tingling listening, not because the women sound like bloodcurdling monsters, but because of the cold and carefree detachment with which they talk about the genocidal violence of the Islamic State.
And if you’re a proud Trini you’ll no doubt be disconcerted to hear that Abdul Haqq doesn’t share your national pride, and is sharply critical of her country of birth.
Abdul Haqq and Greene travelled to Syria in November 2014 with their respective husbands, Osyaba Muhammad and Tariq Abdul Haqq. While 240 TT citizens travelled to Syria between 2013 and 2016, Greene, to my knowledge, is the only Bajan to have gone to join ISIS.
Abbey Greene, the Barbadian widow of Trinidadian Tariq Abdul Haqq, brother of Aliya Abdul Haqq. –
“We came (to Syria) with our husbands, we made hijrah (migrated) to live under the Islamic State, under the law of Islam, and we basically followed our husbands,” says Greene.
Miraculously, both women survived the slaughterhouse of Baghuz, the last sliver of the ISIS caliphate, which fell in March 2019.
Abdul Haqq says before leaving TT she was never radical.
“I was into makeup, piercings and all these crazy things, which I still like.” It wasn’t until after her father died – Yacoob Abdul Haqq was accidentally shot and killed in May 2013 – that she and her family “made this big turnaround.”
Tariq, in Abdul Haqq’s telling, spearheaded this metamorphosis: “My brother came home one day and he said he was going to Syria.
“I started laughing,” she recalls, but within months she had come round to his way of thinking, because in Syria, “it’s strict sharia, which is what I like, so I said, ‘Let me try and see what Syria is about.’”
It is an oddly blasé way of describing what must have been a momentous life decision.
Asked what life was like when she first arrived in Syria, Abdul Haqq relays that she was based in Raqqa, then the de-facto capital of the caliphate.
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“It matched pretty well (my expectation). There were airstrikes, but it was really mild, so it was still very much like my country (TT). But under sharia, it wasn’t extreme then…It was normal life, we had tea parties, pyjama parties, it was really irie…cool, calm.”
Apparently, she deliberately avoided seeing the public beheadings that were a regular feature in the city back in 2014, but admitted her son had been exposed to several and that it had a violent effect on him.
Do these women have any regret over following their husbands to Syria and for all that ISIS has done?
Not one bit, it seems.
In fact, at several points in the interview, when Abdul Haqq and Greene are questioned about ISIS’s extreme violence against civilians and the rape and sexual enslavement of Yazidis, their default response is either to dodge the question or to rationalise ISIS’s violence as a legitimate response to the violence meted out against ISIS.
They are still clearly bitter about the loss of Baghuz.
“It was a madness, a massacre,” Abdul Haqq says, adding, referring to the SDF (Syrian Democratic Forces), “They bombed the orphanage, they bombed a children’s hospital.”
Greene concurs: “The killing has come from both sides.”
What about the beheading of western hostages?
“I don’t know…The men deal with this,” says Abdul Haqq.
Did the brutality of ISIS cause them to rethink their commitment to the group? This question prompts a long pause.
Then this from Greene: “I really don’t think about that question.”
On the sexual enslavement of Yazidi girls and women, Abdul Haqq confides that she had met two Yazidi women in Raqqa: “They were slaves to a Bosnian guy…and from what (one of them) told me, she said she really loved her slave-master, and she accepted Islam.”
What about ISIS’s systematic killing of Yazidi men – what can justify that?
More silence. Then Greene repeats what has become a mantra for her: “For me, this war is never-ending, and it’s on both sides.”
When probed about slavery, Greene seemed reluctant to condemn it outright, insisting: “Slavery in Islam is not like slavery back in the day — there are certain rules you have to follow, you have to show rahma (mercy), you must feed them, take care of them.”
It is a matter of historical record that ISIS militants did not just enslave Yazidi women and girls, but also violently raped them as part of an official genocidal policy. In TT, a group called the Concerned Muslims of T&T has been calling for the repatriation of all Trini women and children detained in Syria and Iraq, but Abdul Haqq and Greene do not seem particularly desperate to return to the Caribbean. Abdul Haqq is particularly hard on Trinidad: “You know now the crime rate in my country is spiralling, gangsterism and all of this gay and lesbianism craziness, gang-warfare – it’s so crazy.
“I just want peace,” she adds.
“I want a normal life,” says Greene.
Do these women deserve either peace or a normal life after joining a group that had nothing but contempt for the peace and life of so many others? And if they are eventually to return to TT and Barbados, what consequences should they face for joining one of the world’s most violent terrorist groups?
These are difficult questions and there is little appetite on the part of the current TT government to actively assist in the repatriation of ISIS-affiliated Trini women and children.
The testimony of Aliya Abdul Haqq and Abbey Greene is unlikely to convince it to change its non-committal stance on the issue.
Simon Cottee is a senior lecturer in criminology at the University of Kent, UK, and a contributing writer to The Atlantic.
@David. Hypocrisy of the highest order. I subscribe to no religion. Whatever grandeur of illusion muslims may harbour about world domination that’s on them. Every group aspires to rule the world with their brand of values.
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robert lucas
@ Miller February 16, 2020 2:55 PM
I would suggest you stop being facetious. Muslims when in the majority compel others to give up their way of living and follow Islamic ways. Centuries ago Christianity used to do so but not today. A case in point is the treatment meted out to the Christian Nubians that followed the building of the Aswan High Dam. The Nubians were relocated to some of the most infertile areas of Egypt and forced to convert to Islam : this is a fact. You do not seem to grasp the fact that Islam means submission and as far as Muslims are concerned, (since they claim that there is only one God and Allah is his name) they are basically claiming that their deity is ergo superior to all others. You can ask the Bahai about the treatment meted out to them because they claim their prophet Baháʼu’lláh’ to be the last messenger of God.
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555dubstreet
The so called Christian+Israeli Vs Muslim War is more West Vs East or White Vs Black/Brown.
It’s about super powers taking control of whole world and people fighting back to protect themselves.
West have been fighting in Middle East since first Iraq war.
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Miller
@ robert lucas February 16, 2020 3:43 PM
“I would suggest you stop being facetious. Muslims when in the majority compel others to give up their way of living and follow Islamic ways. Centuries ago Christianity used to do so but not today.”
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Well, then, put it this way: Islam is a few centuries behind Christianity in its ‘evolutionary’ development.
Maybe, Deo volente or Inshallah, Islam- one day coming soon in the Age of Aquarius- would come to see the Light of scientific knowledge and evolve into a kinder, gentler, all-embracing religion like Christianity and even prepared to accept homosexuals as Imams and members of their own LGBTQ community who like the Jews and Christians have dared to leave their closeted world of abominations.
Please stop attacking the miller for he is nothing but a lowlife pagan!
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Donks, Gripe and Josh
@Donna
February 15, 2020 8:00 PM
[]Personally speaking I don’t like the Muslim faith’s treatment of women. It is behind the modern Christian faith by a long way even though the Christian faith still has improvements to make in that regard.[]
You pinpoint a profound departure in philosophy of Moslem and Christian which calls for deep thought and introspection by Muslim scholars, elders, those who teach and guide the flocks of Islam.
Equality for women has evolved to become non negotiable under the Christian banner.
Christians has witnessed societal evolution with marked improvements from the barbaric crusaders.
Although it will always be imperfect tolerance to other religions is a cornerstone of modern Christian faith.
Muslims living in majority Christian communities can attest to that.
In Barbados there is no hint of intolerance for Muslims curiosity yes intolerance no.
In a raft of majority Muslim countries intolerance and threats against Christians are dominant national features .
Forced conversion even death are not uncommon for non Muslims in some Islamic nations this is repugnant it will never work.
There was an broad cross section of American Muslims who set about to change the perception of Muslims as terrorists or supporters of terrorism.
Their aim was to ensure understanding and tolerance for other faiths Christianity, Judaism and so on grow into defining characteristics of Islam.
That noble cause appears to have stalled.
Christianity and Islam despite stark differences can coexist.
Christian societies full of warts have shown that large Muslim populations can live within them for the most part unhindered.
The same is not the situation of Christians residing in majority Moslem states. Until the level of tolerance and trust amongst the religions are on par there will be no peace.
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Donks Gripe and Josh
‘Christians have….’ para 4
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Silly Woman
@robert lucas February 16, 2020 8:44 AM “I read the article about the Muslim woman and the reclining seat.”
I have travelled on that type of aircraft multiple times. It is tight. But it is cheap, and in my experience the staff were super nice, the food is not bad either. The passengers are the type of people, like me, who like a good bargain. The best way to do before you recline your seat is to ask the person behind you for an excuse.
The best thing to do if somebody reclines their seat without asking you for an excuse is to gently say to them “excuse me, you have me a bit tight here”
Most people respond positively to kind, gentle words. Most people respond negatively to aggression.
Before we all start World War 3, let us remember the good manners which we were taught at our mommie’s knee (or grannie’s knee)
I have travelled for my job and for pleasure for 44 years. I have never had a conflict with a passenger or staff, although I nearly beat that elderly British security guard who when I was boarding a flight to Barbados, nearly went where my husband never went before. But she was old and so am I. I didn’t think it prudent that 2 old women got into a public dust-up at a large airport.
And tobesides once you have delivered a few babies in a public teaching hospital and and a dozen young boys and girls (said to be doctors and nurses, but I did not ask for nor see any ID) have seen ALL of your parts you quickly ditch the now [false] modesty.
In my old age now. Me and my parts and my husband good. i think that God is good with me too, because wait, wasn’t it God who first saw me naked?
God must love naked people. He has made so many, many of them.
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@Hants
Trudeau cancels Barbados trip
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Silly Woman
Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne will attend instead.
“Following the government’s ongoing efforts to address infrastructure disruptions [read Wet’Suwet’en] across the country [the Canadian Prime Minister] will tomorrow convene The Incident Response Group (IRG) to discuss steps forward.
Racial war brings out extremists on both sides.
White supremacist racists pretending they just have issues with muslims has opened the door for their prejudiced politics again.
Muslims relate and sympathise with fellow muslims who are victims of wars abroad. More have started wearing burqas in support etc.
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@ Robert
That Muslim woman who claims to be the victim of an aggressive fellow passenger on a Virgin flight has a familiar surname. Is she related to the great Muslim voice in Barbados? If so, is this all fabricated for publicity? Just asking. Is the tactic in Barbados now to win hearts and minds?
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robert lucas
@ Hal February 17, 2020 3:19 AM
It would seem so. Seems to be getting a lot of backing from some followers of this blog. I can only laugh at how naïve most Barbadians are. You would have noticed that what I predicted about the response by the majority of Barbadians was shown to be correct. It reminds me of Chamberlain and his appeasement effects with Nazi Germany. Appeasement in the long run always result in a massive shedding of blood. Barbadians seem to have an innate inclination to be docile. At times one must resort to extreme violence to defend one’s way of life.. As I said I am not afraid to use extreme violence to defend my way of life.
After every atrocity they have come with a plan to donate to the schools or some such crap. For example it is water-coolers for the schools these days. The gullible majority of Barbadians have fallen for the bait. I have always maintain that Barbadians are the most foolish people in the West Indies.
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robert lucas
@ Silly Woman February 16, 2020 7:30 PM
You seem to be straddling the fence. You have not responded to the statement as a feminist you would have a hard time in a Muslim majority country.
You got them bang to rights. Do you remember the year when they poured money in to the Salvation Army’s Xmas Appeal? I could not stop laughing: that Muslims were funding a Christian project.
Many Barbadians are not only docile and gullible, let us be honest, they are simply stupid.
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Miller
@ robert lucas February 17, 2020 6:32 AM
“Appeasement in the long run always result in a massive shedding of blood. Barbadians seem to have an innate inclination to be docile. At times one must resort to extreme violence to defend one’s way of life.. As I said I am not afraid to use extreme violence to defend my way of life.”
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So how do you ‘explain’ the Americans’ most recent attempts of rapprochement with the Taliban in Afghanistan?
Isn’t the Taliban a deadly terrorist group most feared by the Americans enough to engage their military in a long-standing war which appears completely ‘unwinnable’?
What do you think should be done with this group of terrorists which still operate in the stone age of Sharia law as far as females are concerned?
Engage in a relationship of Entente Cordiale (as the Russians have done) or carry out bombings to make the mountains of Afghanistan glow like the fires of Nazi Dresden in February of 1945?
Time has a way of causing history to repeat itself.
Probably this Muslim guerilla / fifth columnist invasion of the West is their version of retaliation for the Christian crusades of the Middle Ages.
When the children of the three branches of the Abrahamic faith are at each other throat the Shaitan finds himself sitting next to Yahweh in heaven enjoying a meal of milk and honey.
PS: Let us agree on your claim that “Barbadians are the most foolish people in the West Indies”; as they so easily tricked by charlatans.
How do you explain ‘Christian’ educated Bajans having to work for the same nouveaux arrivant Muslims who came Barbadoes with only a suitcase of trinkets and a thawb on their backs?
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555dubstreet
When they warmongers engaged in war their propaganda and mission statement was stated as to fight terrorism
ie. Not muslims, and nothing about woman’s rights.
I guess Lucas is white and Austin is a coconut who should be attacked in the troll wars on BU.
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Greene
i have no tolerance for organised religion of any sort but the most damage to my people have been done by Christianity notwithstanding Islamist slavery. and so we as blacks should be wary of the both of them and any other type of organised faith
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Silly Woman
@robert lucas February 17, 2020 6:38 AM “as a feminist you would have a hard time in a Muslim majority country.”
Perhaps so, perhaps not.
A close female relative lived for a decade and a half in a Muslim majority country (Saudi Arabia) people asked her all the time if she did not want to convert to Islam. Nope. She lived in England for maybe 30 years. Did she want to convert to Anglicanism? Nope. Did she want to marry a Muslim man? Nope. Did she want to marry a Christian English man? Nope. She was in both both countries to work, to earn good money. Nope. She did not love their religions nor their men. Was married to a Bajan man decades ago. Did she/does she want to marry a Bajan man. Nope. She feels exactly the same way about Bajan men, English men, Saudi men. She feels exactly the same way about Christianity and Islam.
She remains happy, single, prosperous, completely irreligious.
Once a Bajan Anglican priest reprimanded heer for living in Saudi. That was just before the married priest and father of a good few children, ran of to America with the Sunday School superintendent.
We women know wunna men, and we know that a lotta, lotta wunna wicked, deceitful, and wannbe controlling as sh!te.
Who needs it?
Stupssseee!!!
And the little woman is NOT a martyr. Having somebody complain about your reclining their seat is MINOR victimization. It is NOT MARTYRDOM.
No the young woman is NOT a martyr.
She would NOT be a martyr either if she was a Christian.
People too love to make mountains out of molehills.
I here hoping that the BU masculinists don’t cuss me for speaking the truth.
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robert lucas
@ Miller February 17, 2020 7:5
I am not going to respond to facetious comments.
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robert lucas
@ Silly Woman February 17, 2020 10:43 AM
Stop living in the past over your bad choices : look to the future.
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robert lucas
@ Hal February 17, 2020 7:05 AM
I do not remember. most likely I was I the USA doing a post doc. As must by now realize I keep a very close eye on the fifth column.
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Silly Woman
What bad choices robert? lolll!!!
Happy and healthy.
Well I have a cold today, but otherwise very healthy,and very happy.
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robert lucas
@ Silly Woman February 17, 2020 12:24 PM
You always painting a very negative picture of men. You are not the only person to have had negative experiences. Always look to the future, thereby you will have less stress. I read recently that women are more prone to have heart attacks. if you keep up your noise about men, you might suffer one prematurely.
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robert lucas
@ Silly Woman
You need to be placed in quarantine. The populace must be protected.
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Miller
@robert lucas February 17, 2020 12:01 PM
“I am not going to respond to facetious comments.”
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You call them “facetious”? They simply seek to expose your underbelly of painting all Muslims with the same brush of evil the same way the Nazis did to the Jews.
Isn’t your description of Muslims equivalent to that used by white supremacists to define ‘black’ people?
The same ‘racist’ prescription aka final solution you are proposing to ‘deal with’ the Muslim problem was previously prescribed for dealing with the ‘nig**r problem in America and by the Boers in South Africa.
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Donna
Robert Lucas,
It is a fact that men generally try to control women. The evidence is that they control all the levers of power and still fight to keep them out of our reach. History and modern day life bears that out. It cannot be refuted..
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Silly Woman
Don’t worry about me robert, This is the first time I have had a cold since 2012. Nobody on either my mother or father’s side has ever had a heart attack, so don’t worry about that either. Happy to be indoors this week. More time to torment the boys of BU.
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Donna
But…… that incident with the Muslim woman on the plane was an everyday experience that would have occurred whether or not she was Muslim. Good manners on her part would have prevented that.
Some years ago I was a patient at the QEH. I was advised to remain on the public ward so other patients would be around to help and call for assistance. When I was assigned a bed I realized that there was an elderly man in the bed opposite mine. I queried whether this was proper and was told that he could not move or see well and posed no threat to me. He was there, they said, because the male orthopedic ward was full.
The next day a Muslim women was admitted and was placed several beds away from the man. I watched and waited to see what would happen. The man was removed before nightfall.
A week later the Muslim woman was discharged. Again I waited to see what would happen. Later that day a young man only ten years or so my junior was placed in the bed the old man had vacated more than a wekk before.
It was at that point that my suspicions were confirmed. My modesty meant nothing. Her modesty meant something. Deference was being paid to her religious practices.
That could not be allowed to stand in my book. The sister on duty apologised and asked if I would accept being moved to the far corner away for the night and promised to rectify it in the morning. She did.
I have also had occasion to complain to a bank manager regarding a security guard who raced across the floor before I had even taken two steps inside to make me remove my sunglasses. I questioned how they treat Muslim women who enter with the net over their eyes. She said they have a system in place for them, I said if ever I saw one of them in the bank I would take pictures, place it on social media and call for a boycott of the bank. So far I have seen none.
It is fine to respect religious practices up to a point but I will not allow them to be comfortable in places that use my taxes or my patronage when I am expected to suck it up.
Hell no!
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Silly Woman
The thing is that both Christianity and Islam sexualises every interaction between men and women. Perhaps because “researchers learned that, on average, men think about sex 19 times a day.”
Most men would probably be surprised to learn that days and days pass and women don’t think about them at all. at all.
Both religions are male centric. I doubt that the anti-woman teachings come from God, any God.
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F. M. Luder
@Donna February 17, 2020 1:00 PM
Leh we forget generally fuh a lil minute:
How do you account for the top three position in BIM being held by women, PM, GG and DPP, if as you say; men control all the levers of power?
Why is it that since May 2018, a disproportionate number of women has been appointed to head Government agencies?
Are you really saying that “behind every great man, there is a greater woman running things”, is propaganda spouted by misguided feminist?
BTW, Bajan women ain’t easy, no matter the religion. I suspect there would have been a problem with any other Bajan women who wanted to “just relax and enjoy the ride”.
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Donna
Simply put, “The times they are a-changing!”
PS. I have never spouted that “behind every great man is a woman” thing but I took it to mean that great men often have a devoted wife supporting them, not running things but supporting him. I have never heard it quoted in the manner you did.
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@ Silly Woman February 17, 2020 2:19 PM
“The thing is that both Christianity and Islam sexualises every interaction between men and women. Perhaps because “researchers learned that, on average, men think about sex 19 times a day.”
Most men would probably be surprised to learn that days and days pass and women don’t think about them at all. at all.
Both religions are male centric. I doubt that the anti-woman teachings come from God, any God.”
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You have omitted Judaism from your religious triumvirate of male-centric domineering.
How come such a phenomenon is not seen among other mammalian species except in the world of your closest relatives called the ‘great apes’ where the Alpha male is the King Solomon of his troupe or tribe.
Don’t you think it is time you feminize God by referring to Her as ‘Mother God’ since in your world males are responsible for all that is wrong in both worlds?
Even little Barbados has seen the light of your ways and has feminized the society from top to bottom as F.M. Luder has pointed out @ February 17, 2020 2:42 PM.
If that is a bridge too far for you to cross why not see God as a transgender being by referring to ‘IT’ as simply ‘Shim’?
That would like merging the men from Mars with the wo(e)men from Venus to become bisexual earthlings of both good and evil; not so the simple Simon(e) now married to a man for over 40 years called Mr. Richard Bucket (or should that be Ms. Bouquet).
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Hal Austiin
F.M. Luder
A few years ago I gave a speech in Barbados on behalf of the Commonwealth Secretariat on women in finance. A large part of the speech was about women out-performing men across the professions. Even so, some people still talk about female oppression. The out-performance is even in families.
In the UK, girls/women out-perform males from GCSE to post-graduate.
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F. M. Luder
That was just me taking literary licence.
Times changing or not, when it comes to the workplace and business in general; it has been my experience that most men with the wherewithal to do so, bend over backwards to assist women.
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robert lucas
Gunmen kill 24 people at protestant church in Burkina Faso where Islamists are increasingly targeting Christians
‘Armed terrorists’ raided a village in Yagha province, in east Burkina Faso
Christians were killed in front of the Protestant church before it was set alight
An army official said the provisional toll was 24 dead, 18 wounded and a number of people kidnapped
By RYAN FAHEY FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 12:22 GMT, 17 February 2020 | UPDATED: 15:04 GMT, 17 February 2020
Let this be a warning for all those appeasers.
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555dubstreet
The Problem → Reaction → Solution dialectic (thesis → reaction → antithesis) has been used by illuminati NWO warmonger Governments for false flags wars, regime changes, propaganda, changes in laws etc.
which raises issue that muslim hate could be stirred up by by proxy gangs
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555dubstreet
Women’s liberation is achieved by showing support for women fighting for their rights changing customs of oppression in society
not by bombing men, women and children in wars
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Donna
Robert Lucas,
One cannot judge people by the actions of others. If we did so EVERYBODY could justify killing EVERYBODY ELSE!
What about that is so hard for you to understand?????????????????????
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legion entrangere
All Muslims aren’t extremists but when one take great risks and challenges to join an extremist terrorist group, I can’t subscribe to the bullshit of believing their views aren’t extreme.
I only wish I was asked to interrogate her.
None of our forces in the Caribbean are properly trained interrogate terrorists except applying physical force.
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Donna
The woman married a Trini and lived in Trinidad. It was her Trini husband who made the decision and she like the foolish woman she is followed him because it was not her place to question him. I’m sure she believed that he knew best. She is a foolish woman who refused to think for herself and even now will not question her husband’s decision even though it made her a widow. Some women are just foolish behind a man. This is the reason why I know that NO GOD would demand that I cede my decision-making responsibility to any man,
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Silly Woman
@Miller February 17, 2020 3:32 PM “You have omitted Judaism from your religious triumvirate of male-centric domineering.”
You are right.
Judaism is also a male centric religion.
Me? I know that God made me fully human. I have a brain in my head. I therefor MUST THINK for myself.
Goodnight to the BU intelligentsia.
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robert lucas
@ Silly Woman February 17, 2020 9:18 PM
Seems that you enjoy male bashing.
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robert lucas
@ Donna February 17, 2020 7:47 PM
As Hal stated above they all support the Islamic concept of ummah. I would suggest that you stop being so trusting and do some research on the topic. Stop being an appeaser. Try and face facts.
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Miller
@ robert lucas February 17, 2020 9:40 PM
Why not be a bit more ‘evenhanded’ in condemning terrorism by explaining the cause for the blatant massacre of (innocent) Muslims in ‘Christchurch’ New Zealand in March 2019?
I agree that Muslims fleeing political oppression or economic exploitation in their own countries ought to seek refuge in other Islamic states where they would be comfortable and feel more at home according to their Koran.
They need to conform to the general mores of the country providing refuge by adhering to the old adage “when in Rome do like the Romans do”.
That’s why the French way of keeping religion out of public spaces is the preferred method governance and social order.
Wherever there are humans holding different ‘shades’ of seeing their own made-up god there will always be conflict over the ‘common enterprise’ called the control of resources and making money and the political domination of one group over others.
Barbados will soon see the effects of allowing the far-right of all religious persuasions to gain a strong foothold in influencing the terms and conditions of social conduct.
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robert lucas
@ Miller February 18, 2020 10:04 AM
“That’s why the French way of keeping religion out of public spaces is the preferred method governance and social order.”
I was not going to respond but after reading the above quote attributed to yourself. I was forced to answer.
Please answer the following question as it relates to France and its Muslim inhabitants:
Is it not a fact that France has the highest incidence of Islamic terrorists attacks despite its strong secular nature?
The problem is that Muslims feel that they must impose their will on their host countries. There is going to great shedding of blood before they are evicted. The neo-liberal globalists with their multicultural crap, are responsible for the situation: they are trying to eradicate the nation state and the traditions associated with self identity. History will judge them harshly.
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555dubstreet
“The problem is that Muslims feel that they must impose their will on their host countries. There is going to great shedding of blood before they are evicted. The neo-liberal globalists with their multicultural crap, are responsible for the situation: they are trying to eradicate the nation state and the traditions associated with self identity. History will judge them harshly.”
USA UK Israel wars has created the extremism of muslims you witness.
This was obvious result from 30 years ago with Saddam, when Q8 started robbing oil from Rumaila oil fields, and April Glaspie told Saddam USA would never get involved in arab arab conflicts, but had reassured Q8 they would support them in war.
The Military Industrial Complex wants continuous wars to sell bombs and arms.
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Donna
Robert Lucas,
I have never and will never try to appease anyone. I speak what I believe.
And exactly what facts do you want me to face? Do you and Hal Austin know all Muslims? Besides the Western World is a fine one to talk about world domination. You only have one eye?????
How long have Muslims been a part of Barbados? What has been their population growth? Are they anywhere close to being the majority?
The facts are that they don’t bother me and I don’t bother them. And so it shall remain until something changes on their part.
If you with your warmongering right wing old bones want to try rounding them up and shooting them you are welcome to try. There will be no tears on my part when they blow you to smithereens.
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Donna
The woman Abbey Greene I see in the picture does not resemble any of the Pakistanis that I have met. She looks like a good old Bajan of African descent. Isn’t it funny how this becomes a blog about the Bajan Muslim of Pakistani descent.
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robert lucas
@ Donna February 18, 2020 7:48 PM
Do some research on the topic. You seem to base your reaction on the fact that the local Muslims have as yet not bothered you. A n illogical position to take.
February 18, 2020 8:17 PM
I am not at all surprise at your attempt to trivialize a serious matter. You have verified what I said from the outset about the reaction of the majority of Barbadians,. Your smugness says it all. Complacent attitude that most Barbadians have that bad things will befall this country.
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