The article (below) by Barbados Today attempts to capture the contribution on VOB 92.9 Starcom by Minister in the Ministry of Finance Ryan Straughn on the economy and his forecast. To be honest after listening to Straughn – a key man on government’s finance team – the blogmaster was not optimistic the country will see an ease in two years. There are no shovel ready projects and the those in the pipeline are all tourism flavoured.

The banking systems is reported to be awash with money: Barbadians not borrowing, banks not lending or both. There is the sick National Insurance Fund. Not exhaustive but there is a beleaguered middles class who has endured belt tightening mode for more than 10 years under permutations of the Medium Term Fiscal Plan and the Medium Term Development Plan. Now there is BERT!

Thanks to @John A

David, blogmaster


 

252 responses to “Two More Years”


  1. @John A

    Explain yourself.

    Isn’t there unprecedented liquidity in the system now?

    This blog,aster is more aligned with fortyacres, we need to grow a new economy. Resuscitating the current model which is mainly retail and distribution has exhausted its capacity to generate GDP. Not to mention construction activity is not a sustainable driver.


  2. @John A

    Thanks to you and a few others who try to bring a mature debate to the blog.


  3. @ John A

    Part of the problem is that the high priests and priestesses of BERT refuse to engage. They have no theoretical or policy grounds to defend a flawed programme, so they run from debate or try to politicise criticisms by claiming party bias.
    It was Nobel Prize winner Robert Lucas who indicated that contemporary economic theory could not explain the 2007/8 crisis, the Great Recession. He was right, as I have pointed out, the flaws in neo-classical theory, with irrelevant mathematical models and its general equilibrium theory. It is all bogus. Orthodox economics have failed us.
    Our policymakers urgently need new economic thinking, including that markets are not efficient, that economics do not move inevitably towards equilibrium and growth is not the only objective.
    Instead of running around the country looking to steal ideas from people, the president should be drilling down on policy surrounded by good and radical ideas.

    .


  4. John A.

    There was growth in the Q4 last year despite all the taxation. For the past two years the economy has been growing/ stabilizing as predicted by government, IMF and independent economists and banks.

    As the BU resident accountant/mathmatician how come you have not yet worked out/ try to work out the meagrea % of growth for the BU household?

    Also, there is nowhere in the article where I see the minister that there will be growth in two years. I don’t know if he said it some where else or if you are referring to another minister.


  5. There was growth under Chris even after the first introduction of NSRL even though government finances was all over the place


  6. “Police in Panama arrested the founders of Mossack Fonseca, the law firm at the center of the Panama Papers scandal, on money laundering charges Thursday after authorities raided the firm’s headquarters as part of investigations into Brazil’s largest-ever bribery scandal.”

    Please tell me this ISN’T the SAME “Panama Papers” that is being used by individuals on Facebook and BU, to cast aspersions on the reputations and integrities of Barbadians, by posting directorship “flow charts” to imply the individuals listed thereon, have off-shore bank accounts and are involved in “corrupt crap?”


  7. @Artax

    Even Douglas Trotman who is lawyer for Thomsa Grant has been telling these people that they are getting it wrong but who wants to listen?


  8. @John A

    You should listen to Dr. Clyde Mascoll especially at the end of the podcast for 6 Feb. In very simple terms he explained the issue confronting the country. Many years of running deficits that rolled up into the high debt level we have found ourselves. The urgent need to pay-down the debt to create fiscal space to support the environment for growth you are correctly railing about.

    http://vob929.com/downtobrasstacks/


  9. Actually, the issue with the Castle in St. Philip is well known, maybe not to some because they have never lived on the island…..but that still does not change the fact that in other cases OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS = MONEY LAUNDERING IN MANY CASES, thefts of bank accounts, land and estates….those multiple OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS do not contain air….particularly when lying, tiefimg politicians/ministers their families, nasty lawyers and greedy corrupt minorities are involved,


  10. John A

    I have read the above article and I agree that the minister is saying the same thing that divaid is claming mascoll said ” government is rolling the pitch” for the pass 20 months.

    in two years, if I remember correctly , we will be coming out from the imf/bert which will give the government more flexibility. This may not mean tax cuts as you are advocating but could be things like minimum wages, increase for public workers etc.

    For instance a 20% increase in wages would help alleviate some of the inflation that you are always talking about.
    How can government afford such and increase without raising more taxes?
    With the Imf/bert gone government does not have to sick to the 6% surplus of gdp. You can cut the suplus in half (3%)
    ps – this is just an example the government would have the figures and crunch their exact numbers.

    Also as david said earlier – expert political timing for the next election.

  11. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ HAL Austin at 8 :37 AM

    A double ” like” to your submission. If you repeat this submission one dozen more times perhaps some one may read and understand it. I have virtually given up.


  12. How does a government steal ideas from people in a democracy that in theory is meant to be participatory?

    #askingforabuffoon


  13. @ Vincent

    So wait you leaving Hal and me to push this boulder up the hill by we self? Lol


  14. @ David.

    The liquidity in the system is actually a bad indicator of faith not a good one. It means people have no faith in economic growth so they will take 0.05% in interest as opposed to investing a blind cent.

    If a growth plan that works was rolled out and economic growth returned, I am telling you bank liquidity will fall as money would be put into ventures.

    Stop and realise that with inflation running at 3% and interest at 0.05% people are actually getting poorer monthly. Yet knowing this they refuse to move their money off the bank, as it’s seen as the last bastion of security. After Clico, the default and the restructuring do you blame them?

    Also for those claiming growth in a single quarter is a sign of recovery let me try and help them there. A recession is defined as 3 CONSECUTIVE quarters of negative growth. To recover the same rules apply. One must have 3 CONSECUTIVE quarters of positive growth. For us to therefore claim we are out of recesssion, none are correct until the results for the next two quarters ending June 30th are in.


  15. @John A

    The flip side is true, financial institutions have tightened credit policy and sensible citizens and investors have understandably retreated to a conservative posture. It is a chicken and egg scenario playing out. For people to opine with absolutes …

    Bottomline John A, how can a sick economy that was running a temperature of 180 debt to gdp spin on a dime and achieve growth in less than 2 years. Inquiring minds want to know.


  16. Hal this govt has taken the country back to the days of trickle down economics which was a failure for the poor and beneficial for the rich
    Hence we have minions who still touts a govt quick actions of giving away the treasury to Corporations in return for nothing
    Hence we have a govt pursuing pensioners funds to build a park under the flag of green economy when only the developers would be first to reap the sweets after which the Park would retain a ghostly look like Queens Park
    Hence we have a govt mashing up buildings under the guise that the fire station needs to be move further island
    A govt that does not realise that the heart of barbados commerical centre is in the capital where govt offices and buildings are located and rapid response to fires are of importance
    Does anyone remember the fire at Fogerty


  17. @ David

    It seems as though anyone who challenges Jackie Stewart, faces the wrath of her tongue. Ask Caswell Franklyn and Patrick King.

    Perhaps the Stewart fans may want to provide us with the EVIDENCE to PROVE those people mentioned on the directorship flow charts have off-shore accounts and are involved in money laundering?

    Or is the proof: “Jackie Stewart said so?”

    I’m still waiting on them to address the Fulcrum Chambers Ltd. merger with Butterfield Bank “boo boo.”


  18. John A.

    My claim that we are out of recession because of growth in one quarter was on another topic that we have moved on from.

    My claim of growth in the last quarter of 2019 is to your claim of you cannot expect growth if you increase taxtation
    also you pointed out that they dididnt learn from chris.
    I also pointed out that thay was growth under chris, the problem with chris is that even when he had growth the rest of the finances were allover the place.

    So to claim you cannot have growth with high taxtation is false.
    Yes increase in tax will reduce the amount of growth. but as pointed out, even with high taxtation the was growth even if it was one quarter it was growth. the field is now set to build on/increase that growth

  19. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A at 9 :43 AM

    It is a Herculean task. Every time I think the boulder on top the hill some amateur does come and push it back down. We are applying irrelevant tools to an economic situation that has long metamorphosed.
    .In my student days I did Analytical and Descriptive Economics. To day, If one were to ask some commentators to describe the economy that they are prescribing for; they cannot do so. If you ask them how the Barbadian economy works, they cannot tell you. But they are prescribing based on some secret manual.

    The good thing about the Internet is that one has access to the current research of leading economist at the academic level and those who also worked in applied economic positions. They share their experiences. The model which I believe is being applied has long been criticized by Senior Economists at the IMF as being ineffectual.


  20. @Vincent

    You disagree with Doctor Clyde?


  21. Vincent…Barbados’ economy is a farce, a facade only meant to enrich the few and leave vast generations of the majority in perpetual poverty working for low class minorities for even lower wages…it was never an economy designed to enrich the masses who generate the taxes….the intent has always been to STEAL FROM THEM…and the house negros in the parliament and elsewhere are happy to comply.


  22. Mariposa

    You are right. The proximity of those homes in the City – Nelson Street, King William Street, Wellington Street, Jordan’s Lane, etc – is such that speed is of the essence if there is a fire. What makes me smile every time I see it is that in the narrow streets of the City Nelson Street remains a two way thoroughfare. Make it one-way, sillies.
    As to the economy, there is a huge difference between book learning and the application of those theories to reality. Our big problem is competence, or lack of it. Ignore the Googlers.
    I salute @John A and @ Vincent.

  23. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 10:10 AM

    That is at best an irrelevant question and at worst mischievous. I do not listen to Brass Tacks.

    I consider Dr. Mascoll a friend . If I need to discuss his views I know how and where to reach him.


  24. John A

    Also

    Your claim about 3 consecutive quarters in and out of recession is old school.

    Today its 2 quarters negative growth “in” and 1 quarter positive growth “out”

    but you can hold on to your old school method if you want to.


  25. Some Donkey Butt tell Mariposa to ignore the googlers? whaloss muh belly. Mari is one of the biggest Googler on BU.
    that is like telling her to ignore herself.


  26. mari

    what kind of economics would you describe the concessions to sandals ?

    Desperation trickled down economics?

    and wasn’t it the DLP that had laid the grown work for the reduction in cooperate taxes because of some standard set by some foreign “tax fairness” entity? they only didn’t get to implement it because they got voted out so the new government had to do it?

    how short or convenient are some memories !


  27. @Vincent

    With respect the question is relevant because many of the counter positions this blogmaster is putting on the table are stripped from Mascolls public positions not least of which those tabled this week if you were to follow the link.


  28. @ Vincent.

    I agree the model we are using of austerity and pinning all hopes on tourism is a doomed one.

    I saw the MOF claiming 1500 new rooms are coming and my question is and so?

    We can not even achieve a decent year round occupancy on the rooms we hAve now so how will 1500 more help our economy?

    For recovery to come a plan is needed that encompasses ALL sectors of the economy at the same time. Agriculture, renewable energy manufacturing must all be included. If you want to tie them to tourism that would help too. So let’s say 50% of all furniture must be locally made. Local produce must be given preferential treatment once available etc.

    I never see a horse win a race running on one leg yet!


  29. @Vincent

    To ram home the point, Simon, Lisa et albwho command the airwaves are disciples of Mascoll doctrine inculcated on the Hill.


  30. “There was growth under Chris even after the first introduction of NSRL even though government finances was all over the place”

    Is Chris still the worst minister to hit Barbados or was he a little better than was claimed. Will his status be adjusted based on how the government performs or will he still remain in the gutter. I don’t want to see the day when the BLP proclaims Chris as a genius.

    In a more serious vein….. John2 seems to be vastly superior to Lorenzo.. You have to take him seriously.


  31. would the new location of the fire station not enable it to respond more quickly to the residents in the pine wildey and IVEY areas? boy you just cant please everyone. maybe the people in nelsonstreet are more important.


  32. theo

    yes chris is/was by far the worst MOF in Barbados
    and the last government the worst.

  33. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 10 :41 AM

    The purpose of a university education is not to promote a doctrine but to develop the students’ analytical skills so that they may do their own thinking. I do not think the Cave Hill Campus has an alternate objective. Your fears are unnecessarily alarmist.


  34. Hal my thoughts to fire in the city which would need fast response refers to Parliament building which in essence stores all the important legislation of barbados past and present history
    Also don’t forget the QEH which housed people who are sick
    These are the buildings which govt should have taken inro consideration before making talk of building a park
    Btw does any one know if Parliament building have built in mechanism which can help in case of fires in the building
    Not speaking about hand held fire extinguishers
    When last has anyone heard of a fire drill in Parliament


  35. @ Vincent

    You deserve a medal.


  36. @Vincent

    The point is the economic policy of government was in large part created by Dr. Mascoll NOT googlers. You have a different view, your right.


  37. @ Mariposa

    You are right again. Th QEH must be a major consideration. As to parliament, saving the documents is fine. (Copies should be held in vaults elsewhere)
    Does the building have sprinklers? And there should be fire drills in all schools and commercial buildings in Barbados at least once a quarter..


  38. Mariposa’s comments about the fire station, reminded me of several things.

    Firstly, I understand vendors in the temporary Golden Square market have until next week Friday, February 14, 2020, to vacate the premises to make way for its demolition.

    They have accepted government’s proposal to pay them $1,500 per month until the new Fairchild Street market is constructed. I’m thinking,

    (a). Why is this BLP administration in such a HURRY to demolish buildings in the general Probyn Street area? Who really stands to benefit from this “project?”

    (b). It seems as though there isn’t going to be a simultaneous construction of the park and market, and the market may take up to 18 months to build. Wouldn’t it have been better wait until the new market facilities are built, relocate the vendors…. and then then park, rather than having the vendors relying on $1,500, especially when one takes into consideration, government is tardy in paying.

    For example, temporary public sector employees sometimes have to wait 6 months before they are paid; NIS usually take several months to process benefits; people are awaiting VAT and income tax refunds since 2013; and it’s common knowledge government is tardy in its payments for goods and services.

    Vending is the these people’s ONLY SOURCE of INCOME on which their livelihood depends. And, to displace these entrepreneurs, on such short notice is a “criminal act.”

    What guarantee do they have that they would be paid on time each month?

    (c). Unfortunately, the Golden Square vendors will not be able to capitalize on the financial benefits to be derived when the Probyn Street area becomes a “hive of construction activity.”


  39. @ Hal

    While we can only try to bring reason do you notice the deafening silence coming from the opposition on this matter? Did they not have an economic spokesman at one time? Is the Pastor unaware of what has been said recently?

    The press well I done right them off every since, but Lord we paying the opposition so surely it is not unreasonable to expect some utterance from them is it not?


  40. @ John A

    You are right. Ms De Peiza seems out of her league. As to the media, the Trinidadian owners of the Nation are simply trying to make money and the Advocate seems in the hands of the Chinese. CBC is grossly awful.
    There are two ways they can get specialist reporters. Let us take economics: they can either offer a job to a good graduate and train them in journalism, or take one of the present team and send them on a journalism course. Easy. Why can’t they do that?


  41. @Hal

    It is looking to me like no one sees the need to break down our reality in terms that can be simply understood. The opposition and the press for sure have failed us, so it seems we are expected to just follow quietly and drink the Koolaid.

    I for one will say the opposition we have today is the poorest I have seen since Independance. They seem to have no opinion about anything. When they do have one it is presented couched in politics as opposed to simply presented data for all to understand.

    This whole issue is genuinely concerning for sure.

  42. Bajan Free Party 2023 0r sooner Avatar
    Bajan Free Party 2023 0r sooner

    Crooks get more airtime than the truth

  43. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ John A

    You did not elect an opposition. You gave not one of the opposition parties a seat. Stop complaining. You and Hal will have to lead the Brigade on Finance and Economic matters on BU.


  44. @Hal @ John A
    Mascoll is trying to say that he preparing the wicket for the private sector. I thought when the private sector and the unions were marching the wicket was being prepared. Mascoll argued for years that taxation hampers growth now he is embracing preparing a wicket using taxation. He said that once the NSRL was removed prices would come down. It was removed and now he blaming drought and the increase in the price of carrots. However nothing Mascoll says surprises me because he blamed Arthur’s economic policies for ruining the country and then sat in Arthur’s cabinet.
    The simple truth here is this: Stuart Sinkler and company continued the ruination of the economy that was already gasping under Arthur.
    None of Sinkler policies worked and he resorted to wrecklessly printing money. Mottley and company saw a golden political opportunity and capitalised. Mottley’s major platform was : reinstatement of free University education; corruption and the removal of the NSRL.
    There was never any clear economic program to create jobs or growth. The next step convince the gullible that some fancy “ homegrown program” quickly endorsed by the IMF will save devaluation restore foreign reserves and it will be clear sailing. The cool aid drinkers and the Apologist in Chief were all over BU hailing this “ brilliant” policy.
    Then the lay offs started and the reality showed up. Now they are bracing for more lay offs and taxes. Once more conned by the ruthless Duopoly.
    Imagine there used to be 43 groundsmen at schools today there are 9. Ask the people in rural areas how often they see post men. All of these marvelous things have happened . We were even told that the plan was so great that we could teach and sell other countries how to deal with IMF. Now we have all of these pathetic cool aid drinkers writing crap all over BU.
    There was never any economic policy to create jobs or growth. That’s the truth and who don’t like it can lump it.
    The Duopoly Rules


  45. @ William
    @John A
    @Vincent

    You guys miss a key point in this ongoing saga. By refusing to engage, the president and her economic advisers are sending the message that the alternative views are not worthy of debate. That is important as a part of the Bajan Condition as it plays in to the hands of the Ninja Man psychology.
    He is mad, man, ignore him. In this way official theories are not challenged, they are not tested intellectually and in the popular, untrained mind, a PhD carries the day. In fact, a PhD is a very narrow thesis, written over three years of about 50000 words or more.
    We do not have a culture of serious public debate, so the waffle, personal abuse, binary pro-party nonsense carries the day.
    If one has had regular experience of a different kind of public debate, than this Bajan political theatre is a diversion from listening to the radio or watching television or reading. It is fun.
    Keep on Googling, it is a good substitute for critical learning.


  46. @Vincent

    He is mad, man, ignore him. In this way official theories are not challenged, they are not tested intellectually and in the popular, untrained mind, a PhD carries the day. In fact, a PhD is a very narrow thesis, written over three years of about 50000 words or more.

    You agree Dr. Mascoll does not understand what he is talking about? Defend you friend man and fellow economist!


  47. @ Vincent

    I normally ignore ignorance, but my remarks were not directed at Dr Mascoll, who I have met on a number of occasions and we have always had polite conversations.
    In fact, I am on record as saying he is the best public economist in Barbados. It is my understanding that he is an adviser to the minister of finance/economic affairs. He does not make policy.
    Th BU obsession is trying to read other’s minds. It goes right across the blog. If it is not true, then make it up.


  48. The policy of the government was crafted by Dr. Mascoll. Why do you think Mascoll was on the talk show on Thursday after Ryan Straughn botched it.

    By the way, he has PhD and his an economist.


  49. Skinner who stated the Bert program was a growth programme? As i have stated before the country had to be stabalized first sfter your Dems mashed it up . The next stage should be growth but tell us what is your alternative? It is quite easy to be critical from the comfort of overseas but i know none of the naysayers have any better plan.As for your diatribe earlier about the Nation, CBC , and friends all these are second hand sources i lived here through the period that is the important difference between you and myself i do not have to depend on reports.Austin you are seriosly questioning Mr Arthur,s credentials after proclaiming Mr Thompson was bright and when challenged could not back it up with anything The ssid Thompson whitewashed in licks. You are the one who needs to stay in your lane or are you trying to be a comedian?Then again anyone who can agree with the Dem lightweight has got to be a comedian.

  50. William Skinner Avatar

    Apparently Ryan Straughan “botched it” by telling the truth. I don’t know who went in a pooling booth and voted for Mascoll.
    Once again I ask: Who is the Minister of Finance? I now follow it up: Who really is ultimately responsible for managing the economy of Barbados? If the economic policies are failing who is the person responsible for leveling with the public?
    Where does the accountability fall? And finally who really “ running” Barbados ?

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