One thing this blogmaster knows from reading evaluations about the 2008 global economic crisis, it rubbished classical economic explanations. In fact the crisis served to popularized behavioural economics which is described as “an important link between economic and psychological sciences in the analysis of individual decisions especially combining psychological assumptions with economic decision-making analyzes, draws attention with its approach to the 2008 global crisis“. In simple terms the classical economic approach assumes individuals will be rational and consumed with self in decision making. Injecting behavioural economic considers psychological factors that serve to motivate people, force attitudes and create expectations.  Using the theory of behavioural economics the conclusion was made that the 2008 global meltdown was more than a financial crisis, it was a crisis of confidence.

In recent years both political and NGO talking heads have been trotting out the message Barbadians should save in the credit unions because the movement is seen as more supportive to empowering Black and working class people based on its philosophy. They should challenge a risk averse mindset and use the billions in savings lodged in the banks to invest or buy equity stakes in businesses. In recent weeks the government has indicated a special arrangement will be established to attract citizen investment in renewable energy program. The government is on a mission to persuade risk averse Barbadians to INVEST.

There is an interesting inference to the 2008 global financial crisis and the austerity period Barbados has been navigating for the last eleven years. Although acknowledged  there was a financial meltdown in 2008 in the USA – bear in mind the Barbados dollar is forever pegged to the US dollar – Barbadians ignored the failing economic indicators and maintained a lifestyle not reflective of the harsh economic environment. The irrational behaviour by Barbadians- including the government- has been responsible for the current perilous state of the economy.

In the book Stolen: How to save the world from fictionalization  by Grace Blakeley, she wrote, “when people are uncertain about the future, they may behave in ways that seem irrational – for example, saving when they will receive little return for doing so, or spending far above what they can afford. This is because in the context of uncertainty, people prefer to hold liquid (easy-to-sell) assets – and they tend to prefer to hold the most liquid asset of all: CASH (blogmaster’s emphasis). Liquidity preference means that, the higher the levels of uncertainty, the more people save rather than spend“.

The same is true about business behaviour and how investment decisions are taken. Blakeley states, “this kind of uncertainty marks business’ behaviour even more than consumers’ and affects their investment decisions. If businesses’ confidence about the future turns, they are likely to stop investing. These lower levels of investment will result in lower revenues for suppliers, who may have to lay people off, who will reduce their spending, leading to a fall in economic activity“.

The point to be made is that it is not enough to expect Barbadians will behave rationally by answering the call to invest, there are underlying psychological reasons to consider. How does a government committed to transforming the way we do business understand the psychological factors at play in Barbados? Has this government with a bevy of communications people on payroll developed a strategy to counter the underlying psychological factors? So much learning from the 2008 meltdown but have we learned anything?

 

 

 

222 responses to “You Asking Me to Invest?”


  1. Because I am white, and if the entrepreneur crashed, the story would be I took advantage of him.

  2. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @NorthernObserver
    Ahhh. But I’m a big mouth, eco-socialist, Black, smart ass… so racist haters like Freedomwhat’sherface will spread the story that I took advantage of the entrepreneur whether they crash or prosper. So, same difference.

  3. NorthernObserver Avatar

    Very possible.
    You also ‘come from away’ and are perceived as being well off enough to ‘take advantage’. Other key determinators in Bim.

  4. NorthernObserver Avatar

    @Blogmaster
    you like reading. “Red Card” by Ken Bensinger. An instructive read.


  5. @Northern Observer

    Thanks


  6. PLT, excellent points. Bim needs more of this involvement. U only sometimes pretend not to like incentive and business. Bim has been a nation of shopkeepers for a very long time.


  7. What the Entrepreneur did is a Smart move to get PLT to eat by him on average of three times weekly. He Got him to pay for Three meals a week for six months in Advance. He gave him that Discount because he will now be eating by him three times weekly where previously PLT may have averaged buying food from him once weekly.

    In the Restaurant Business its all about VOLUME. No matter how high your mark up, if you don’t do Business you will go Bust! That Restaurateur has used his Noggins to get Business that would have gone elsewhere. Now that is Free Market Capitalism, it drives down the Price and PLT feels he got a Good Deal. The man has Created a Better Widget at a better price.

    He should be commended, even if PLT Sought to take Advantage of the Situation. Just Imagine if he got 200 Customers with that deal! That is 120 lunches a day and his Revenue works out to be 33,000 thousand a month. Freedom thinks he has thought forward so well they should hire him in the Ministry of Finance to show them how to get more Tourist to come to Barbados! (humour).

    And the only person mentioning Racism here is PLT…It matters not what Colour the Entrepreneur is I am Greatful he is Exercising his Talents after having so many Regulations Imposed on him and if he only got 100 customers paying the $1,000 that would be $100.000 for Six month and he would not have to pay Vat and he would not have to hire an Accountant to work out the Darn Vat and that is only serving Sixty Lunches Per Day, quite an Impressive amount for a Start up Business.

    Matthew 12:36 (KJV)… But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

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  8. SirFuzzy (Former Sheep) Avatar
    SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    John A November 10, 2019 12:01 PM

    Don’t go back so far to 1975. Just ask any bajan to look back over the last ten years.

    Ask them that visited the doctor or dentist for a checkup what was the cost of their visit

    An even a more noticeable jump will be the public transportation of the electric bill.

    Ten years ago bus fare was $1.50. I then rose to $2.00(up 33%) and is now $3.50(up 233% or 75% depending on the base year)

    Those are large increases in comparison to the level of wage increases that you would have gotten if any?

    Yes, the power of inflation.

    Just saying

  9. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Money Brain
    You think I am joking when I say that I hate capitalism, but I assure you I am most serious. The problem is that you think “enterprise” and “capitalism” are synonymous, but this is a profound cognitive error.
    Every enterprise— whether public, private, or nonprofit— is composed of capital, effort, initiative, and innovation. Capitalism gives pride of place to capital and ends up marginalising all the other elements, each of which is of more value than capital alone. This is why it inevitably devolves into evil and unbalanced society controlled by mega rich oligarchs.
    The financial services industries which have grown up around the manipulation of capital are of no benefit to society. They distort and destroy economic value and they reinforce fundamental immorality by worshipping greed.

  10. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Freedom Crier
    “What the Entrepreneur did is a Smart move…”
    +++++++++
    I’m so happy that we have found something to agree about. You should know however, that the Lunch As A Service scheme is entirely my own idea… all part of my efforts to educate local entrepreneurs.


  11. PLT …YOU HAVE STILL NOT LEARNT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRONY-CAPITALISM AND FREE MARKET ENTERPRISE.

    Free Enterprise extols the virtue of an individual and the society is geared towards the protection of each individual including minorities. And the smallest minority is the individual. Crony Capitalism exists in Socialist states where big companies knowing the nature of their Socialist government and knowing their leaning towards always wanting more money, lobby and collude with governments to gain an unfair advantage (not Free Market).

    Free Enterprise extols the virtue of an individual and the society is geared towards the protection of each individual including minorities. And the smallest minority is the individual. Crony Capitalism exists in Socialist states where big companies knowing the nature of their Socialist government and knowing their leaning towards always wanting more money, lobby and collude with governments to gain an unfair advantage over their Competitors for market share using Regulations to hamper smaller Businesses (not Free Market).

    HOW IS FREE ENTERPRISE “CAPITALISM” BETTER THAN SOCIALISM?

    The essential nature of Free Enterprise Capitalism is social harmony through the pursuit of self-interest. Under Capitalism, the individual’s pursuit of his own economic self-interest simultaneously benefits the economic self-interests of all others. In allowing each individual to act unhampered by government regulations, Capitalism causes wealth to be created in the most efficient manner possible which ultimately raises the standard of living, increases the economic opportunities, and makes available an ever growing supply of products for everyone. The free-market operates in such a way so that as one man creates more wealth for himself, he simultaneously creates more wealth and opportunities for everyone else, which means that as the rich become richer, the poor become richer. It must be understood that Capitalism serves the economic self-interests of all, including the Non-Capitalists. “And even if we were all magically made equal in wealth tonight, we’d be unequal in the morning because some of us would spend it and some of us would save it”. Lawrence Reed.

    A Capitalist Society is a just society because all individuals are considered equal under the law. Capitalism recognizes that it is just for a man to keep what he has earned and that it is unjust for a man, or group of men, to have the right to what other people have earned. Since all people must live independently under Capitalism, all of the material values that a person acquires must be earned. Thus, the expression of social justice under Capitalism is that what a man earns is directly proportional to what he produces, no progressive income taxes stifling his achievement for the sole fact the he did achieve. All other forms of government, such as the welfare state, institutionalize injustice by legally expropriating the property of some men and giving it to others.

    “Contrary to widely held beliefs, capitalism is not a system which exploits a large portion of society for the sake of a small minority of wealthy capitalists. Ironically, it is actually socialism that causes the systematic exploitation of labour. Since the socialist state holds a universal monopoly on labour and production, no economic incentive exists for the socialist state to provide anything more than minimum physical subsistence for the workers except to perhaps prevent riots or revolutions. Exploitation is inherent to the nature of socialism because individuals cannot live for their own sake, rather, they exist merely as means to whatever ends the socialist rulers—the self-proclaimed spokesman of “society,” may have in mind.”

    http://www.earstohear.net/images/TSowell-Greed.jpg


  12. @ PLT

    You are making sense. We have too many people walking about the place over analyzing. Pseudo experts. Your investment is a good one. We all know that no investment is safe. Imagine if we all demonstrate a little more in viable small businesses; the multiple effect would be tremendous.
    Good luck and enjoy your meals!!


  13. PLT, I did not mention Capitalism! I referred to business and incentive. Capitalism has plenty warts but business / incentive a cornerstones of any successful society. Socialism leads to the equal sharing of misery because it discredits incentive. As Marx wrote Socialism is the transition stage from Capitalism to Communism.

  14. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David, @John A, @SirFuzzy, @NorthernObserver, @Money Brain, @Vincent
    We can agree that there are few opportunities for investment in Barbados given: the state of our stock exchange, the bad experiences with Clico and Barbados Government Bonds, etc.
    The question is: What should we do about it?
    a) complain about the DLP.
    b) complain about the BLP.
    c) complain about Bajans’ risk aversion.
    d) complain about the difficulty of doing business in Barbados.
    e) put our heads together and figure out what we think should be done then figure out a way to do it.

    I choose (e).


  15. Peter nobody here in their right mind will not applaud your proactive position. The 64k question is how do we move a Bajan population with a risk averse dna to your level of risk appetite. You agree this is the challenge? Also, if we understand how to change the mindset, how do we create the critical mass of investors in a reasonably short period to make a difference.

  16. SirFuzzy (Former Sheep) Avatar
    SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    @ peterlawrencethompson November 10, 2019 4:02 PM

    We will all like to do a positive thing about it. But I am fully aware of the GOB and its agencies, rule and lack of enforcement etc. As u said u hate capitalism. I am not a fan of economics. But if the GOB and the rule-makers continue to peddle capitalism and this economic model we may be fighting upstream.

    Great success usually comes when a person or ppl realises that real change needs to be made and they are not afraid of the status quo who says nothing is wrong with it as it is now. Naysayers have a job and their job is to say Nay/no.

    Just musing.

  17. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    You do NOT want to move the Bajan population to my level of risk… trust me.
    What we do want to do is design a financial intermediary that works with Bajans’ current level of risk tolerance to invent an investment vehicle that they will like that will simultaneously invest in the local productive sectors. Local businesses need money; Bajans have hundreds of millions in bank accounts earning nothing. Supply and demand both exist; the market itself is the problem.


  18. @ David
    Am I to believe that all those Barbadians, who under less than fair circumstances built successful businesses are risk averse?
    All of the self employed business people with very little assistance from the traditional banking sector or visionless political class are risk averse?
    We get too attached to meaningless cliches and miss the big picture?
    Jordan’s Ricks Gertz Brankers Nation Barbados LumberCompany NEWilson Rollock. Tudor Olton Bynoe atCarltons and Emerald City and hundreds others have long buried this myth. Elcock Ideal homes.I could go on and on.
    Time to move the debate from the uninformed and pedestrian to real substance.


  19. @Peter

    Understand the theory of your suggestion.


  20. @William

    We are discussing the owners of the billions sitting in banks.

  21. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    You overestimate the risk averse DNA of the Bajan population. I’m surprised no-one has n mentioned CARILEND. You can invest with them today and make an 8% annual return. They are “the first Peer to Peer lending site in the Caribbean aiming to bring together Borrowers and Lenders to give a better deal and a better experience to both” (from their website). Bajans have invested over 20 million in CARILEND. That’s not particularly risk averse.


  22. @Peter

    20 million is chump change compared to billions in the banking system. There is a reason why Bajans feel more comfortable leaving their cash with banks rather than deposit with a Cariland. Will withhold comments about Carilend for now.

  23. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    Don’t tease me like that! What do you know about Carilend that you are withholding?? I know nothing more about them than I read in the newspaper.

  24. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    $20 million is indeed chump change… but if I had $20 to invest in innovative startups in Barbados I’d wager I could make a big difference to the local economy.


  25. @Peter

    Not trivializing the effort, we need to move people in mass to invest in order to make a difference.


  26. @ David
    In all seriousness if they who own these “billions” in the banks did not invest when the economy was doing relatively well, why do you feel they will invest now? And I mean prior to 2008-20018.
    Didn’t you see where those citizens who invested in government bonds ended up?
    When I was calling for the wealthy to step up I was told they should not because they were investors looking for returns. Excuses were made for them.
    You can’t have it both ways.


  27. @William

    This is what we are discussing. Events lead to decisions being taken at different times.


  28. @ David.

    Are bajans risk averse or are they risk to reward conscious after the CLICO and bond issue?

    They are 2 completely different things all together.


  29. @John A

    If you benchmark to Jamaica, Trinidad and a few other island you should find your answer.


  30. In other words PLT risked $1000 in a venture which no doubt he could afford to lose. He would not be happy about losing it, but he would not of gone hungry if he had either. He also was looking at a risk to reward ratio of 70%. Basically high enough to gamble on the investment.

    We are talking about getting people to move say half their life savings off the bank into other ventures. That my friend is a totally different animal all together! Especially when the flagship of secure investment known as government paper has been “cat spraddled”.

    Ask a few of your older friends over 60 what they would invest in and wait for an answer.

    That is why many have the money on the bank at 0.05% and are not willing to move it for an investment say with a 6% return. Look at public companies that pay dividends and see how small the dividend is in relation to the share price.

    We back to real world economics vs theory yet again.


  31. @ David.

    You remember the appetite bajans had for government paper say 10 to 15 yrs ago? An issue would sell out in 2 days! What has changed are these not the same bajans now who are married to the bank? What has changed?

    Confidence and the pain of the local debt restructuring. The confidence of bajan paper being as sound as gold no longer exist and with it went the confidence of the bajan public, in our economy as a safe harbour for retirement savings.

    Let’s stop pussy footing around the issue and accept that!

  32. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @John A
    “We are talking about getting people to move say half their life savings off the bank into other ventures.”
    +++++++++++++++++
    No we are not. We are talking about getting several thousand mostly middle class and upper middle class people to invest a few thousand dollars into their neighbors’ enterprises. Ten thousand locals and another ten thousand in the diaspora investing on average a couple of thousand US dollars gives about US$40 million in equity investment. That is a quite adequate scale to make a transformative difference to business innovation in Barbados.


  33. @John A

    We have to separate some things here. Barbadians enjoyed confidence in savings bonds because our minds were conditioned it was blue chip. This is different to investing in business ventures which as you correctly stated attracts a higher risk appetite with discretionary income, also a level of financial IQ. Peter touched on it in an earlier comment, we need a investment vehicle with bells and whistle to attract John Citizen, however, it will require a big bang effect to take off.


  34. @PLT

    I agree with your thinking and numbers, but all I am saying is that the faith the Barbadian had for investment was based somewhat on the security they saw in government paper. When that disappeared a fear was thrown up which said to many ” if we paper fail what really safe?” It is that hurdle we first must overcome.

    Secondly our liquidity has been slashed over the last few years with increased taxation.This has resulted in many having to dip into their savings every month to survive.

    My point is the environment for bajans to become micro venture capitalist is not there in 2019 sadly.


  35. @ David.

    I agree with you on this investment vehicle, so lets go to the next step and look at creation and ask a few questions the buyers will ask before they buy in.

    Who is going to guarantee it ?( not the bajan government them already cost the bajan money in the debt restructuring)

    Based on market forces how will we offer a yield in excess of what is being offered by others?

    What entity that is profitable with up to date financials can we sell to the bajan public via a share offering?

    You starting to see where the problems coming from?


  36. It is better if Barbadians invested in their own successful businesses. If they do not have successful businesses, then they can invest small amounts in others’ successful businesses. They can then invest more money in businesses which give them better or stable returns.

  37. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @John
    Who is going to guarantee it? Nobody. Nobody anywhere in the world guarantees equity investments.
    … how will we offer a yield in excess of what is being offered by others? Good management can certainly do better than 0.001%. It may well not give better returns than Carilend… it is just that some of us wish to invest in productive enterprises with possible dramatic upside possibilities rather than be content with a safe 8% from consumer lending that drags the economy further into the dilemma created by foreign exchange expenditures on cars, fridges and trips to Miami.
    What entity that is profitable with up to date financials can we sell to the bajan public via a share offering? Only ones that are trying to raise capital for growth and do not wish to do that with debt. There is no requirement for them to be already profitable. This would be for enterprises pursuing innovation, not for people doing nails and hair or whacking weeds.


  38. @PLT

    I understand what you are aiming at but am just thinking of a mechanism that could be formulated.

    What we are leaning to is the creation of an entity that will promote the sale of what could be seen as small cap share holdership.

    A place where a small investor with say $2000 could go and put $500 in 4 small businesses and get a share certificate. It’s a great idea but it would have to be seen like a mini stock exchange. It could work and is something the credit unions for instance could facilitate. It would be a way of getting capital to small businesses i agree with you.

  39. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    David BU at 4:29 PM
    You are reading but not understanding. There are no billions in the commercial banks and Credit Unions or wherever doing nothing. Every liability in those institutions has an asset. Do you understand Balance Sheets?

    You may argue about proper allocation, but there is little idle money in the system except those created by ineffectual financial management.


  40. @Vincent

    Are you suggesting the loan/deposit ratio is 100%?

  41. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Vincent & @David
    On their 2018 financial statement Scotiabank Barbados had about $1.9 billion in deposits and about $1.5 billion in loans.

  42. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu

    Please do not answer the question . It is rhetorical. I should take my advice and take time out from this alleged treasury of idle poor people savings.


  43. @PLT
    “Ten thousand locals and another ten thousand in the diaspora investing on average a couple of thousand US dollars gives about US$40 million in equity investment. That is a quite adequate scale to make a transformative difference to business innovation in Barbados.”

    Some of us in the diaspora are willing to take some risk. But unless there is some way of informing us of the opportunities available, our money will remain in our pocket. How do you “separate me and my pennies”, if there is no information for me to examine or even hear of??

  44. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu
    @ PLT

    It is never good financial risk management for a bank to have a loan to deposit ratio of 100%.

  45. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @John A
    “What we are leaning to is the creation of an entity that will promote the sale of what could be seen as small cap share holdership.”
    ++++++++++++++
    EXACTLY!!!
    But since small innovative startups are high risk, structure the marketplace to limit risk:
    a) limit the amount any person can invest in a company to $1,000,
    b) limit the amount any single company can raise on the system to $1 million,
    c) make quarterly financial reports and annual audits delivered no later than 3 months after fiscal year end a condition of the company being in the system,
    d) fine companies steeply for any financial irregularities or infractions of the rules,
    e) fine company directors and officers steeply for any financial irregularities or infractions of the rules,
    f) track share ownership, trading, and dividend payments with tamper proof distributed ledger technology,
    g) etc.

    Make it free of government ownership and, above all, make it easy to use for average people. Investing should be no more difficult than shopping on Amazon. Log on… check your investments… buy stock with your debit card… trade existing holdings with other investors… send the money from dividends and stock sales directly to your bank or Credit Union account.

  46. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ PLT at 7 :20 PM

    Please examine the list of other assets that were financed by deposits. How many of those those were direct consequence of GoB policies ? It is complex but not complicated . It is a system every thing is connected with everything else. One need to follow the dots.

  47. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @TheOGazerts
    “…unless there is some way of informing us of the opportunities available, our money will remain in our pocket.”
    +++++++++++
    A detailed and up to date company prospectus must be on the equity crowdfunding website. My 19 year old managed this crowdfunding his first short film on Indiegogo..,. it’s not too much to ask of even a tiny company looking to raise capital.


  48. @PLT

    Yes small cap market with controls and a standardised trading entity to keep it all controlled. Failure of complying with the requirements would mean a companies immediate 6 month suspension. It could work and would be the kind of thing that would move the credit union into a new field of business.

    You know the banks will not like You though! After all you squatting now in their back yard. Lol


  49. peterlawrencethompsonNovember 10, 2019 2:41 PM

    @Money Brain
    You think I am joking when I say that I hate capitalism, but I assure you I am most serious. The problem is that you think “enterprise” and “capitalism” are synonymous, but this is a profound cognitive error.
    Every enterprise— whether public, private, or nonprofit— is composed of capital, effort, initiative, and innovation. Capitalism gives pride of place to capital and ends up marginalising all the other elements, each of which is of more value than capital alone. This is why it inevitably devolves into evil and unbalanced society controlled by mega rich oligarchs.
    The financial services industries which have grown up around the manipulation of capital are of no benefit to society. They distort and destroy economic value and they reinforce fundamental immorality by worshipping greed.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That is what I have struggled to explain to Looney Tunes for quite some time.

    What’s in a name? The damned thing is called Capitalism, for chrissake. It values capital above all else. i always say that a heap of money cannot get up off the table and do anything. It takes the labour of a person moving it to do something productive. It is a collaborative effort. Why is it that capital is weighted so much higher than labour etc? Looney Tunes refuses to accept that the labourer’s brow sweats even more than that of the capitalist in his air-conditioned office and therefore he can be said to have earned his bread. Instead he must eat the crumbs that fall from the master’s table. The sharing of the loaf is inequitable and not commensurate with the value added by each contributor.

    And as for the financial services industries of which you speak, that’s all they do – manipulate and distort, adding no real value. No production of ANYTHING REAL! Just sleight of hand with capital and distortion of reality.

    She keeps speaking of the capitalists keeping what they have earned. I say they have kept part of the share that the worker has earned.

    She will say that the worker signed a contract. I say that the system is so rigged against the average person that if he wants to eat to stay alive he has to accept the crumbs. It is often crumbs or nothing.

    A contract signed under duress is null and void.

    What free market what!!!! Powerful people have the market on a leash!

  50. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Vincent
    “… examine the list of other assets that were financed by deposits.”
    ++++++++++
    I did. I just quoted the data without comment… not to take a position in your discussion with David about the amount of excess liquidity in the Barbados banking system.
    However, the figures very clearly show that a diversion of 1% of that savings stock to venture investment by individuals poses no threat at all to the stability of the banking system… and 1% is all that is required.

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