Submitted by Robert D. Lucas,PH.D

 

The Editor:

I read the below article in Barbados Today.

I had to laugh at the logic behind Adonijah’s reasoning. After all, he referred to Dr.Baird’s position as one engendered from ignorance. In fact,the appellation can be applied to his position as well.

Attached is an article from the Daily MailDoes marijuana make people violent? Washington state’s murder and assault rate surged 40% after drug was legalized – and experts insist that’s not a coincidence – which he would do well to peruse. I am amazed that persons without adequate scientific training can be so dogmatic in the positions taken when dealing with topics, the pros and cons of which require in depth scientific analysis.

Here is the Barbados Today article:

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  2. Cannabis use cannot be stopped, even in prisons, since the ‘human rights’ of offenders now take precedence over those of the general public, so why fight an unwinnable war with all the costs, both financial and social?
    Legalise it and tax it, just like alcohol, another drug that CANNOT be banned, thank God.
    Drink more Old Brigand for a happy healthy life.


  3. A wise man once said Money is the root of all Evil
    When will we ever learn


  4. Mariposa, money cannot buy you happiness, BUT it can keep a lot of misery away or at bay.


  5. Mariposa

    But the Bible says for the “LOVE” of money is the root of all evil.


  6. 45 govt
    I once belive that was true but looking at the way in which our world has evolved and in the way money has eroded and chip away at peoples morals and ethics giving acceptance to an interest of self
    I think your above comment is now regulated on a tenor of selfishness and not a reality that is driven by what is right or wrong moral or immoral and how when these ingredients come together how people s lives are affected

  7. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Mariposa January 19, 2019 7:50 AM
    “A wise man once said Money is the root of all Evil
    When will we ever learn…”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So was there a central bank in the Garden of Eden that caused Adam to commit “Evil”?

    Or was it the hairy purse in which a deposit had to be made before any withdrawal?

    Maybe you can enlighten the blog if there is any etymological relationship between the name “Eve” and “Evil” as in Devil.


  8. Miller .. Adam inflicted by the diseae of theof greed and selfishness
    All of which are emboded and components of the human mind and with the help and availabily of money multiplies and becomes emboldened and corrupt


  9. Mariposa

    I don’t necessarily agree with the premise that money has eroded and chip away at our morals and ethics … It is our attitude towards money that has eroded and chip away at our morals and ethics… because previous generations of Bajans attitude towards money were far more different than ours today…

  10. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Mariposa January 19, 2019 8:43 AM

    Why put the blame on the poor defective Adam?

    Why not the maker of the marijuana plant?

    Did your god Yahweh or his opposite number the Serpent create the marijuana plant?
    And if fit was the serpent why do doctors and other practitioners involved in the human body healing business have twin serpents (double helix) as the symbol of their wisdom and art?

    -“And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so…”~ Genesis 1:11

    “And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.” ~ Numbers 21:9

  11. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    (Quote): Dr Lucille Baird blithely speaks of the ‘devastating effect on this nation as much bigger countries have experienced’ if cannabis is decriminalized, without bothering to provide a scrap of evidence. (Unquote)
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If the preacher woman Baird was not so hypocritical in her stance she would have been preaching just as vehemently against the use of alcohol and tobacco (both scientifically proven to be dangerous to human health) and demanding the immediate criminalization of both to be treated just like marijuana has been for the past how many years.

    “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
    These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
    They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.”


  12. Really !Miller your attack on Baird is laced in political hog wash
    Was Baird around to influence legislation in the passing of Alcohol or Tobacco
    Have you ever listened to sermons in which she condems the use of alcohol or Tobacco along with gambling as destructive to homes and social enviroment
    Her voice speaking against legislation to pass marijuana would not be accepted
    However here voice is one that is necessary as a learned lesson from other legislative measures which were hoisted on a flag borne out of monetary gains but has borne proven evidence which has led to social decay of people and country enviroment


  13. @Miller

    You are intelligent to discern what is sanctioned or not by societies based on the morals being practiced of the day.

  14. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Miller at 9:31 AM

    You have hit the nail on the head. “Their teachings are merely human rules”.

    The litmus test is after examining the history of the existing human rules,we ask: Are these rules addressing the concerns of today. If they do not, we analyse our current problems and devise solutions for them. It is a question of relevancy and fit for purpose.
    I would also suggest cost- benefit analyses to satisfy Dr Baird’s, Dr. Lucas and 45 govt. concerns. We must be careful not ignore those parameters which do not easily lend themselves to numerical quantification i.e the social fall outs, reduced alertness and inclination to graduate to higher opioids..

    .


  15. I believe the jury on marijuana’s effect on human health is still out, if people want to consume marijuana it is their right depending on the country in which they reside. However, they should use it in much the same way that they use prescription drugs i.e. with all the pros and cons that come with the use of such medicines.

  16. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Mariposa January 19, 2019 9:47 AM
    “Really !Miller your attack on Baird is laced in political hog wash
    Was Baird around to influence legislation in the passing of Alcohol or Tobacco”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well let her be the modern-day peripatetic preacher woman and go and denounce the Canadians and their government for decriminalizing the plant made by her god Yahweh with his own healing hands. A placard carrying demonstration in front of the Haut-commissariat du Canada à la Barbade could be a starter, n’est-ce pas?

    Let her get on her soapbox and rile against what takes place in Amsterdam where millions from all over the planet travel to annually to ‘recreate’. She would immediately have a captive ‘global’ audience or she could use the Internet (which wasn’t around when “legislation in the passing of Alcohol or Tobacco” was up for debate) to mount her religious tirade.

    When is the ‘godly’ lady going to call for the closing down of the Bajan rum industry (aka devil soup)?
    Or do most of her financially sound congregation have vested interests in the ‘Spirits’ business?

  17. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Sargeant at 10 :36 AM

    The consequences are not only personal . They invite collateral damages to innocent non- users of society.


  18. Not too long ago there was Prohibition in the USA?

    There are other examples how rules change in a society that evolves.

  19. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    “Invite?”. Wuh Loss!! That should be “cause”.


  20. Prohibition of alcohol produced a whole new and violent criminal class, including that vile old bastard Joe Kennedy. The prohibition on drugs has had just the same effect.


  21. @Vincent

    The same is applicable to people who do not exercise, overeat, drink too much alcohol, break traffic laws etc. There are consequences for everything we do.

  22. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ David January 19, 2019 10:05 AM
    “You are intelligent to discern what is sanctioned or not by societies based on the morals being practiced of the day.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    D’accord!!

    That is exactly why we (in the enlightened West) don’t keep slaves anymore or following the Biblical injunction for menstruating women:
    Why not see marijuana as that tree of knowledge of good and evil? Pick your fruit accordingly and live and let live.

    Why can’t a person grow the plant for domestic use as a culinary or medical herb for private consumption?

    “When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening. …”
    Leviticus 15:19-30

  23. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 10 :47 AM

    I agree. But some consequences are more disruptive,unacceptable and costly than others. Thus the need to weigh them and make a democratic decision about them.


  24. @Vincent

    Agree with the broad statement, there will always be tension when considering the inputs for what is the desirable end state. It is like living in the forest and unable to see the trees.


  25. The decriminalization of marijuana should have occurred decades ago. Further, Barbados should have been on the cutting edge of that industry and Rastafari should have been a central force of a healthy revolution and the hundreds of billions produced therefrom.

    When the conservative Christian theologians (Baird) pretend that a naturally growing plant should remain ‘illegal’ we cannot limit our counter narrative to alcohol for some will rejoin by saying that that is a naturally occurring substance as well, and not without some justification.

    We must launch a broader argumentation against the medical industrial complex and its coconspirators within the food industry which make unending profits by supporting a disease structure supported by cancer, heart ailments and death by medicine, as the three (3) leading causes of the demise of humans in Western societies.

    In more recent times the medical industrial complex has given us 60,000 deaths per annum, in the US alone, from the addition to opioids, prescribed by licensed medical practitioners and flooding vulnerable communities by Big-Pharma. This at the same time when heroine production has increased 30 fold with the invasion of Afghanistan by the war making machine of these the same pharmaceutical companies, with medical doctors acting as their salesmen.

    Both the relative positions of Baird and Adonijah seem not to have moved much since 50 years ago. We regret that the environmental forces surrounding have drastically been transformed. They both sound anachronistic.

  26. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Miller at 10 :50 AM

    You are quite aware that the last quoted paragraph was not written for you nor your generation. You may note that it forms part of the 330 supplementary regulations that were designed for the Jewish nation of that millennia.
    I believe those are part of the human rules which Isaiah , later Jesus and modern day Jewish scholars spoke about.


  27. @Pacha

    When has Barbados ever positioned itself on the cutting edge of anything?

    We are a conservative people. One is left to wonder where is the societal edge a superior education system was expected to give us.


  28. Pachamama, heroin is also from a natural plant, and is a vital aid in medicine and war. It appears that like guns, its use is only proscribed for the civilian population.


  29. What superior education system?


  30. David

    Maybe during slavery, the Lynchian psychology for breaking slaves, producing people like the preacher Baird, and the one Adonijah, up to this day. The development of sugar cane varieties.

    We’re reaching!

    But there’s got to be something we can master. Something that we have some unique sets of competencies – in addition to talking nuff shiiiiiiite!


  31. How do you explain the national annual budget allocation to education?


  32. We have mastered bureaucracy. Can we use it to gain a foothold?


  33. Everything on earth has a purpose, I believe. It is when it is misused or abused that there is a problem. These are the situations that must be managed. They can never be eliminated. The effects can only be minimised.

    I agree with Vincent’s cost-benefit analysis approach and 45’s position on the effects of prohibition.


  34. @45govt

    Of course!


  35. Money being wasted.

  36. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Donna at 11 :15 AM

    The superior education system that nurtured you. Most of us Bloggers are happy with the product. Aren’t you?


  37. A foothold where, David?


  38. If making decisions were so simple. There is the political structures that serve to deliver to the money makers.


  39. I have an inquiring mind that propels me to explore beyond the limitations of our educational system.


  40. Donna, a foothold in a world we have to find a way to compete to survive for our children’s sake.

  41. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Vincent Codrington January 19, 2019 11:03 AM
    “You are quite aware that the last quoted paragraph was not written for you nor your generation. You may note that it forms part of the 330 supplementary regulations that were designed for the Jewish nation of that millennia.”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Nothing in the OT -or for that matter, the entire Jewish book of royal fables, myths and legends- was written for today’s generation.

    We clearly would not want to execute today your Yahweh’s instruction of performing genocidal acts against perceived ethnic enemies worshipping (false) gods other than “Money”.

    But there are some maxims of human morality which will always stand the test of time and universal appeal.

    “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is the universal golden rule of human love and humility so adroitly illustrated in the parable of the “Good Samaritan”.

    “The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.” ~Thomas Paine


  42. We’ve never heard Baird or Adonijah talk about other substances like wood glues, bleach, toilet bowl cleaner all of which could be stand-ins for drugs. What about mushrooms.

    All of these ‘intoxicants’ could be found in Baird’s cupboard, in her garden, in her church. Why not make them illegal too.


  43. 45gov

    “The prohibition of alcohol produced a whole new criminal class”

    So the decriminalization of marijuana should have the opposite effect because the demand for the drug would have been all but dissipated …

    However, it amazes me how you can point to Joe Kennedy as this new violent criminal class, but fall short of pointing to Al Capone the Chicago mob boss who had politicians, judges, and police and his payroll…

    Nevertheless, it is a well known fact that Joe Kennedy made his money through the illegal sale of alcohol during Prohibition, but where is the evidence that he did so by means of violence?


  44. David,

    I am interested in living not merely surviving. I believe that we need to stop tinkering and build a new engine.


  45. But first we need to make a decision on the type of engine we wish to build.


  46. The education system in Bim was second to none for those so ill educated as not to know. Indeed, until relatively recently Barbadian parents fed up with the deteriorating state of UK education started sending their kids back home to school. Of course Barbados has now ‘caught up’ in the PC destruction area.
    60 years ago Barbados boasted of 98% literacy, the envy of anywhere. Here endeth the lesson for the ignorant.

  47. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Donna at at 11 :26 AM

    You responded; ” an inquiring mind that propels me…”. That is one of the primary deliverables of a superior educational system. Mission 1 accomplished. Some people believe it is a body of knowledge. It is not really. Knowledge has a limited shelf life.


  48. David

    Maybe we have to start from the basics. Food production. But that would not be simple it would require both large and small radical reforms.

    End of food importation, agrarian reform, the exit from multilateral organizations – WTO etc.

    No doubt severely painful as well.


  49. Miller,

    But people need stories.


  50. Dear Lord, the stupidity quotient is rising here. Joe Kennedy as Mr Big facilitated the likes of Capone, and was not one whit better than him. He even
    had his own daughter lobotomised FFS.

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