The expression used at caption has found its way into the local vernacular to describe not merely the repetition of a number or series of numbers in the dividend such as when 1/3 or 1/7 is converted to decimal form but, less accurately, the too frequent re-emergence of a person or issue. Concerning the latter, I have remarked in this space on more occasions than a few, on the apparent local propensity to raise and re-circulate some matters of public discourse without ever coming to a definitive resolution of them one way or another. As a columnist, I am certainly not complaining since it provides some ready weekly fodder, but it is scarcely effective.

The list is indeed a long one -the policy of the imposition of the death penalty; the decriminalization of homosexual acts between consenting adults; the reform of our defamation laws; the establishment of a freedom of information culture and a condign statute; improved regulation of the privately owned public transportation sector; public and private sector integrity; a Contractor-General; the modern relevance of an Upper House of Parliament; and, finally, today’s topic, the inutility of the common entrance exam, more popularly known as the Eleven-plus or, even more officially and loftily, as the Barbados Secondary School Entrance Examination [BSEE].

Truth to tell, this issue is not as yet entered firmly into the current national discourse, but I read a newspaper report last week, in which my Cave Hill Campus colleague, Professor Joel Warrican, Director of the School of Education, lists this examination first among those conditions that “inhibit the fight of our young citizens to strengthen the resilience of the regional citizenry”. In the report, Professor Warrican appears to be more concerned with the “large proportion of students who do not meet the expected standards and the consequent stratification of the secondary school system created by the manner in which the results of the Common Entrance Examination are used to allocate students to schools, leading to “the marginalization of students who are allocated to ‘bad’ (sic) schools”.

I suppose that the first question that would be asked of the professor is the basis on which a school is to be assessed as “bad”, an adjective that is scarcely ever heard in popular local parlance. I am prepared to concede, however, that there exists in that argot the notion of “good” schools, so it seems conceivable that there must also be, comparatively, some not-so-good and even some bad ones, although it is unclear on what basis these designations are to be made.

As one who believes, errantly or otherwise, that I owe the nature of my current existence largely to my result in the Common Entrance Examination in the late 1960’s, I am naturally inclined to the view that it is the fairest system of transferring youngsters to secondary school, especially given the horror stories recounted of what obtained before, where it was not unknown for some to pass the examination only to fail the subsequent “interview” that was totally unrelated to the child’s academic prowess, but merely to his or her social standing and material comforts. Given my condition at eleven, it is at least doubtful whether I could have passed the interview component, never mind my performance in the academic aspect, hence the existence of my current bias.

Of course, one supposes that the nature and content of the examination itself could be adjusted; for instance, transfer from primary to secondary school might be effected at a later age and the element of continuous assessment by coursework constituting one aspect of the final mark, as now obtains in the regional secondary schools and UWI examinations clearly has a role to play. Concomitantly, the question begs asking, is assessment on the basis of prowess in English language and mathematics only a useful indicator of ability to cope academically at the secondary level?

The truth remains however, that the concept of examination remains the most common mode of determining progress at most levels of education. The first year student in the Bachelor of Laws programme at UWI cannot progress to the second year without having achieved success by examination in a sufficient number of his or her Part One courses, similarly to progress to the third year, and to the first and second years at Law School respectively. One would also have to pass examinations to become a certified butcher, baker or candlestick maker, so the notion of progress by examination is not inherently noisome.

The true problem with the BSEE is not the examination itself, rather it is what populism makes of it. The students who gain top placement in the BSEE are more lauded and feted initially and for a longer period by a fawning press than those who acquire terminal degrees in subjects of national development value. They inevitably become the darlings of their teachers and the parents bask vicariously in the achievement of their offspring, at least until a new cadre replaces the “top ten” the following year.

There is, strangely enough, no similar press follow-up for the BSEE high achiever unless she or she goes on to be a success otherwise. Indeed, the examination itself is made into a national spectacle with televised and newspaper interviews and parents and their young charges after the event, gifts of examination materials, complete with the obligatory news coverage by the ubiquitous politician; and special events put on by local restaurants for those who can afford it. And the outcomes of the BSEE persevere well into adulthood here where many individuals are often described by reference to their secondary school rather than to their tertiary affiliation.

In any ensuing public discourse on this matter, the onus is clearly on those who would seek to replace the BSEE with another form of transfer to propose it and to justify its existence in what is claimed to be a meritocratic polity. Given the current state of affairs, any system that is less objective than an examination arguably runs the risk of being categorized as discriminatory to some among us as the pernicious old “interview”

411 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – A Recurring Decimal”

  1. Sir Simple Simon, P.C. Avatar
    Sir Simple Simon, P.C.

    @Lexicon January 13, 2019 3:57 PM “The system of housing all A, B, and C students in their respective classes based on their grades much go … because it sends the wrong message in the teaching environment in America A, B, and C students sit in the same classroom there is no stratification.”

    In America as elsewhere A students are typically sent by their parents to private schools

  2. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Amen..


  3. William Skinner

    If Hal is speaking from a place of experience regarding the female teacher you can’t fault him, because I happen to think that the brutality associated with teaching in my day bordered on child abused.


  4. WARU

    “In America and elsewhere A Student are typically sent by their parents to private school”

    I sent my two kids to private school because I did like what I saw in public school in terms of violence …and neither of them were A students at the time.

  5. Sir Simple Simon, P.C. Avatar
    Sir Simple Simon, P.C.

    @Hal Austin January 13, 2019 10:19 AM

    Interesting questions.

    What d you see as the answers?


  6. dpD

    My “wording” may have implied I knew about the lower first forms. But I actually remembered hearing it from a cousin who first attended Combermere in 1975. He told me he was in “Lower 1D” and then moved on to “Upper 1D.”

    What I know is that some primary teachers offer 11+ preparation lessons from class 3….. 2 days a week at $10 per day……$20 per week. And it isn’t surprising to know that these classes are usually attended by 7 or 8 children, out of a class of 25.

    Some parents of those children who really need the extra classes, cannot afford to pay.

    Then we have to look at the fact that the parents of some children cannot afford to buy things such as stationery for their children beyond what they bought for them for the term’s first day. For example, my son told me the girl that used to sit beside him in class 2 would ask to borrow his pencil, eraser or sharpener throughout the term. When he asked her if she did not tell her parents she needed stationery, her excuse was her “mother ordered them from over the internet and they have not arrived yet.”

    Primary schools usually schedule a form level meeting at which parents could interact with teachers, ask about teaching methods and learn about the progress their children are making. It amazes me that these meeting are usually attended by about 15 parents, which includes both parents of some children. So, if there is a class of 30 pupils, 15 parents attend the meeting and at least 10 represents both mother and father……5 single parents remain.

    The principal of my son’s school advised us at a form level, not to make disparaging remarks about teacher in the presence of their children. He went on to say that a class 2 child told him, in all sincerity and innocence: “Dr. X, my mummy say dat you is a f**king idiot.

    You have parents going to the school…..blatantly disobeying the rules, challenging the authority of the security guard…..in the presence of their children. You could only imagine the difficulties teachers encounter from these children.

    Then there’s the PTA. I attended a PTA meeting, which began at 5:00pm and by 5:20pm it ended. Why? Only 6 parents were present.

    The ministry of education also need to work with parents.


  7. @ PLT – this eradication of meritocracy in education you espouse has been the downfall of the US and UK. WTF makes you think it will be good here? Dumbing down for equality of mediocrity is the sort of drivel we expect from the Hard Left, and its proponents in Venezuela.


  8. @William,

    Sory. Do I see women teachers as a problem? Or in any walk of life? Plse reread. AlI said was that women are outperforming men at school and university. That is a statement of fact, not opinion. I also said women/girls do better in course work and boys in exams. Fact.


  9. @ Simple Son,

    Which questions?

  10. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    @dpd

    But to your key point …it’s not easy catering to all the needs of students who are poorly prepared due to bad home dynamics or other issues…it’s mind boggling that any child can get zero at CEE because that means they were badly guided all along the way… so yes remediation must be implemented early but so too breakfast for the child, someplace to rest without noise, drugs etc.(quote)

    (quote) it’s mind boggling that any child can get zero at CEE because that means they were badly guided all along the way… (quote)

    It is tough for some; but looking at it logically we also need to examine what those students attempted during the examination. Getting zero is very easy; as all candidates taking the exame start out with zero.

    Maybe this a wildly unpopular suggestion; but maybe we need to drug test these(all) students before they take the exam to see if these extremely low grades have anything to do with drugs found in their bodies.

  11. Overseas Observer Avatar
    Overseas Observer

    @ Hal
    Are you suggesting that the good professor got it wrong when he said Cyril Burt created the 11+?
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    The fact remain was created by the White Colonial Masters from England.

    The 11+ existed until around 50 years ago in England until they realized the damage caused to its general society and replaced it labelling it as a failure.

    The fact remains that so many people on the island of Barbados arguing to keep it shows how stupid the population is in general including the so called elitists from the so called better secondary schools of which I must admit I also attended under the ongoing fatally flawed 11+.

    It is the main reason why Barbados is a failed island and in the hands of the IMF for the third time because the majority of the population are followers and cannot think for themselves WHILST Finland is a successful and prosperous country for the MAJORITY of its citizens the total opposite on the island.


  12. WARU

    Now in America the city government run the school system unlike the minister of education in Barbados…in other words, the municipal government financed the school budget … So with that being said, there are advantages and disadvantages to this system of education… because the poor school districts with little financial resources provide a substandard education and vice versa …
    so if you live in Beverly Hills for example, there’s no need to send your child to a private school because the amount money the city collects in taxes funds the school budget…

  13. Sir Simple Simon, P.C. Avatar
    Sir Simple Simon, P.C.

    @peterlawrencethompson January 13, 2019 11:30 AM “Likewise those children who live in the bourgeois neighborhood where I grew up, Grand View, Edghill Heights & Valley View, should be going to school at Lester Vaughn Memorial Secondary.”

    A simple question: And what would stop the people of Grand View, Valley View and Edghill Heights, and Sandy Lane etc. too,what would stop those people from moving to Country Road, Greenfields etc.?

    My perception is that if we moved to a geographical system, the current poor and working class areas around Harrison College would rapidly gentrify, become expensive highly desirable places t live, then poor but bright children would have no hope of ever getting into Harrison College, because the land in that area would become too expensive for poor people ever again to be able to afford to live there.


  14. @Sargeant
    Success and failure is the result of the interplay between nature and nurture. If I had Usain Bolt’s training I might be able to run a 100 metres in about 18 seconds instead of the blazing 21 seconds once recorded. If Usain Bolt was a Bajan the world might never have heard of him.


  15. @OverseasObserver,

    Are you suggesting that Cyril Burt did not create the 11+ as the professor says? I am not talking about our colonial masters.

  16. Sir Simple Simon, P.C. Avatar
    Sir Simple Simon, P.C.

    Who owns the land in the Harrison College area? Aren’t most of the residents tenants?

    Wouldn’t their landlords sell them out to wealthy people?

    isn’t that how capitalism works?

  17. Overseas Observer Avatar
    Overseas Observer

    FINLAND HAS NO 11+

  18. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Sir Simple Simon, P.C. January 13, 2019 4:48 PM
    “And what would stop the people of Grand View, Valley View and Edghill Heights, and Sandy Lane etc. too,what would stop those people from moving to Country Road, Greenfields etc.?”
    +++++++++++++++
    Some of them would… but others would stick with their 800 thousand dollar homes on half an acre with mature fruit trees, and help make Lester Vaughn into a much better school.

  19. sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore) Avatar
    sirfuzzy (i was a sheep some years ago; not a sheep anymore)

    @sir SS
    (quote) My perception is that if we moved to a geographical system, the current poor and working class areas around Harrison College would rapidly gentrify, become expensive highly desirable places t live, then poor but bright children would have no hope of ever getting into Harrison College, because the land in that area would become too expensive for poor people ever again to be able to afford to live there.(quote)

    so this is your plan for urban renewal in Bridgetown? introduce strict zoning for the placement or allocation of students to HC?
    Interesting and dynamic and maybe done cheaply as well. a stroke of genius my fellow knight. lol

  20. Overseas Observer Avatar
    Overseas Observer

    @ Hal

    If the so called Cyril Burt created the 11+ in Barbados he would have created the 11+ also in England at time.

    Not so?

    The Professor is entitled to spew any nonsense he wants to feels inclined however in this case doesn’t align with the facts.


  21. In Finland, private and religious schools are NOT allowed except a few international schools to accomodate the diplomatic community.

  22. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “If Usain Bolt was a Bajan the world might never have heard of him.”

    ya done know, they would have sold him out to cow in exchange for change of use and the THEFT of some elderly male or females land…they are truly stuck in a time warp of their own making…it suits them.

  23. Sir Simple Simon, P.C. Avatar
    Sir Simple Simon, P.C.

    @lawson January 13, 2019 11:38 AM “I agree with lexicon Women have a better chance of getting a darwin award than a nobel prize.”

    Ya muddah.

  24. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @dpD @ 3 :40 PM

    I share your positions on the 11+ exams. It is simply a selection process which does not disadvantage nor define the children. It is certainly better than the system which obtained before. No one has come up with a fairer more equitable system. But it will always be a recurring decimal because too many commenters do not agree what education is and what is its function in society.
    Even the student who gets zero would have learnt something in his six years in the Primary School. The fact that he received zero is a reflection of his teacher and the person who marked the script.
    One final observation for those who think social divisions end at the doors of the Good Schools ask your kids and grand kids about the social cliques that are formed within the Good Schools.


  25. SS I should have qualified that …..women drivers


  26. @ Overseas Observer,

    This is not a trivial point. The professor is head of the School of Education ie he is responsible for teaching our teachers. When I talk about the circulation of mediocrity now you can see what I am getting at. Future generations of teachers (and therefore children) will be repeating this.
    I also asked what methods were used to select primary school children transitioning to the ‘prestigious’ secondary school (First and Second grade) prior to 1944.
    We are either serious about our social policy, or we are jokers. In 1965 Singapore was a swamp, r ejected by the Malaysian federation. By 1980, 15 years, its GDP per capita had overtaken the UK’s and by 1992 the US.
    Let us look at Barbados: what were our formal exam results from our best secondary schools in 1966 and what are they now? If in 2008, when the DLP came to power, it had reformed the educational system, by May this year children that entered the school system in 2008 would have been preparing for the CXC/GCSE exams. In other words, they would have made a difference.
    If the BLP had done the same thing in 1994, by the time it was removed from office children who entered the educational system that year would have been at university.
    Same thing with this Mottley-led BLP government; we have heard about BERT; we have the Cubans, Venezuelans and Argentinians competing to teach us Spanish; and we have the Chinese to teach us Mandarin. But nothing has been said about reform the educational system, the foundation of a knowledge-based economy.
    Some people get annoyed when I say they are talking waffle. But can you see my point?

  27. Sir Simple Simon, P.C. Avatar
    Sir Simple Simon, P.C.

    @Sargeant January 13, 2019 11:52 AM. “Even now when I meet a new acquaintance who was born in Barbados after the initial glad-handing the inevitable question arises “Wey you went to school?” and I know exactly what the person means, it has nothing to do with any education in the country where I reside but which school I attended during my formative years.”

    Long ago and far away I was asked that same question by a prospective mother in law when I first met her. I thought that it was a rude and foolish question, especially from a woman who had not gone beyond elementary school herself. I called the name of the university which I was then attending. She had never heard of it, even though she was standing not ten miles from that university. I politely changed the subject.

    I have never answered the question.

    She never asked again.

    She is gone now.

    May she rest in peace.

  28. Sir Simple Simon, P.C. Avatar
    Sir Simple Simon, P.C.

    @January 13, 2019 12:00 PM “I am still waiting for an answer to the good Prof Warrican’s claim in Barbados Today that Cyril Burt created the 11+. I am also keen to know how we selected primary c school kids to go to our ‘prestigious’ secondary schools before the 11+ was introduced.”

    I wasn’t around in 1944.

    But I believe that before the 11+ “WE selected primary school kids to go to our ‘prestigious’ secondary schools” by skin color, gender and economic class, so that if you were white, male, and your parents had money you were more likely to be selected to go to Harrison College, that if you were black, female and your parents had little or no money.

    I find it quite interesting now that the majority of people who graduate from Harrison College these days are black, female and are the children f parents who don’t have much money. Middling parents and working class parents, many of the parents being black single women.


  29. I am looking for facts, not speculation.

  30. Sir Simple Simon, P.C. Avatar
    Sir Simple Simon, P.C.

    Dear Hal: These are the questions. Can you comment further? Thanks.

    @Hal Austin January 13, 2019 10:19 AM.

    First, the post-war comprehensive school experiment has failed. Who do better out of comprehensive education, boys or girls?

    Even in Saudi Arabia women are out-performing men; this is also the case in Europe and North America. The question is why?

    In the UK we know that boys do better in exams while girls do better in course. Why? In the UK, at GCSE level, girls outperform boys in maths, why?

  31. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “I find it quite interesting now that the majority of people who graduate from Harrison College these days are black, female and are the children f parents who don’t have much money. Middling parents and working class parents, many of the parents being black single women”

    wuhloss..who said Karma is not real…ha!!


  32. @ Simple Simon,

    Comprehensive schools underperform all other forms of secondary education, that is the case in every major country with a comprehensive system since the 1960s.
    Women/girls outperform boys/men in all liberal democracies, from secondary schools to post-graduate, including the traditional professions.
    Even in families with girls and boys, on average the girls outperform their brothers. Why is the $64000 question. We know girls do better with course work then boys, boys do better in exams. In the UK, black boys enter the school system at the age of five as top of the class, by age 11, as they prefer to transfer to secondary schools, they are bottom.
    My argument is that something happens to them between those ages to put them off education. There is a long an complex debate, including other ethnic and religious groups, but those are the basic facts.


  33. Barbados must be the only former British colony in the WI that has maintained the 11 plus exam. time to abolish it and follow the Finnsh model


  34. Barbados must be the only former British colony in the WI that has maintained the 11 plus exam. time to abolish it and follow the Finnish model

  35. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ir Simple Simon at 5:36 PM

    You wrote : “black,female and are the children of parents who do not have much”. Obviously Prof. Warrican was not speaking of Barbados.


  36. asking a Bajan what sec school he or she attended in the Bajan context and culture is quite relevant. we are what we are socialised so live with it people. i am quite proud to pronounce that i went to Cawmere. i dont one rat’s ass what anyone think about that. i dont even bother to mention what university i attended and my qualifications. Cawmere is enuff for me especially if i am talking to a bajan or W Indian

  37. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ James Greene at 5 :56 PM

    Are you prepared to shoulder the level of taxation that accompanies the Finnish Model? What are the other downsides to this model? Are you prepared to have Lazarus and his sores?


  38. @Vincent

    Can we continue to shoulder the current burden and the cost created by its dysfunction?

  39. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David Bu at 6 :15 PM

    That the current system is dysfunctional is a matter of opinion not fact. What is the evidence that you have that suggests it is dysfunctional?


  40. Barbados already has a Finland styled education system in many respects.


  41. @ Vincent

    We want the ministry of education to publish in full the results of CXC/GCSE exams, school by school, which they receive from the CXC. Why are they sitting on the information.


  42. @Vincent

    Look around, what is the state of the country?

    Why is commercial activity largely centred in the retail and distributive sectors given the significant investment in education? What about the moribund court system? Many more examples abound. Do not think linear.

  43. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Simple, you studied in US so you know your remark that “In America as elsewhere A students are typically sent by their parents to private schools” borders on Trumpian hyperbole!

    Of course some do but most do NOT…they get them into a GnT program from kindergarten or middle school and by high school they are well in place to be transferred to one of the BETTER PUBLIC schools within the broader city/town area regardless of where they live.

    Additionally several major US cities still have – open to PUBLIC enrollment – what they term specialized high schools (think HC or QC on steroids) for which students sit an entrance exam and if successful from there frankly your future is yours to freak-up because the course work is super rigorous and you are essentially guaranteed an entrance to a good uni if that’s your intent or a super entry to the world of work.

    Don’t believe everything you write!😂

    (David had a blog on the subject some years back…and not to start up folks like @Hal, but as I recall from then the larger percentage of successful applicants to those schools were Asians followed by Whites with quite smaller numbers for Blacks)!

  44. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ Hal Austin at 5 :21 PM

    I know that you know better. But less you are misunderstood I must remind that one attends university to study. The lecturers lecture and moderate tutorials at which an assignment is read and discussed by one’s peers. Students are encouraged to challenge ideas, information ,methodology etc. So even Professors are entitled to their personal views. They need not be those of his students.

  45. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU at 6:32 PM

    Surely you are not putting the blame for the perceived current malaise in the country on the education system ? Is this the same Education system that operated in times of plenty and when Barbados was the leading best administered country in the Caribbean?

  46. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @JamesG…and therein we lie in our box happy to play the glad-handling fraternization game …nothing wrong with that really… if you want to confine yourself to that 4 corner box.

    As someone said above (@Vincent I believe) should we not be about what we achieve – startup of a new company that prospers for years; serving physically challenged kids and helping them to reach their successes; becoming an awesome elected representative whose constituents are truly empowered and improved due to our efforts, etc and more) – rather than where we spent 7 great years of our youth or how long is our qualifications’ list?

    Be proud of Cawmere – I have absolutely no problem with dat – but seriously whether it’s bragging about being a Harvard grad or attending McGill or Oxford or whatever we really do ourselves a grave injustice… WHAT have we DONE with the fancy schooling other than brand ourselves is the question!

    Just saying… alas I too have been guilty of the stupid school game folly… which Bajan older secondary school grad hasn’t?… but it gets old after a while!


  47. @Vincent

    What is times of plenty?


  48. Leaps and bounds will be made in Education when..

    Segregation ends in the selection process and schools..
    Placements are not done by scale..
    Economic stature determines placement end..
    Back door entries cease..
    Transfers are not justifiably sound..
    The Curriculum is focused not on subservient ideology but on the potential and probability of development..
    Techniques of teaching are same across in all schools..
    Teaching and student attitudes are positively synced..
    Discipline is maintained but not abused.
    Early primary assessment is identified..and channelled..
    Plants are consistently maintained and supplies granted.

    The recent giftings of ipads to the management levels in schools by the Chinese is worrisome (as teachers are). One wonders if there is a back- office data collection monitoring of our educational system via these devices. Can this be determined?

  49. WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog Avatar
    WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog
  50. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    David BU at 6 :58 PM

    “And he, wishing to justify himself , asked : “And who is my neighbour?”

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