Submitted by nineofnine

……… do swear that I will be faithful and bare true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth 2, Her Heirs and Successors, according to law, so help me GOD.

I ……… being appointed Minister do swear that I will, to the best of my judgement, at all times, when so required, freely give my counsel and advice to the Governor General, or any other person for the time being, lawfully performing the functions of that office for the good management of the public affairs of Barbados and I do further swear, that I will not, on any account, at any time whatsoever, disclose the counsel, advice, opinion or vote of any particular Minister or Parliamentary Secretary, and that I will not, except with the authority of the Cabinet and to such extent as may be required, for the good management of the affairs of Barbados, directly or indirectly reveal the business or proceedings of the Cabinet, or nature or contents of any documents communicated to me as Minister or any matter coming to my knowledge in my capacity as such and that in all things, I will be a true and faithful Minister, so help me GOD.



As I sat, listened and observed the duly elected members of the newly appointed Government taking their OATHS OF OFFICE, it dawned on me a peculiarity of the oath’s content.

Three declarations were made by each member, the first, declaring allegiance, repeated twice and the third, pertaining to Ministerial Office.

As a citizen of Barbados and to my knowledge, INDEPENDENCE was declared in 1966 when the Union Jack was lowered and the National Flag of Barbados was raised as well as the official signing of Documents.

Having said that, it is of great concern and which requires an explanation to understand why, in the swearing in of duly elected members of the Cabinet, swear allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, and not to the Constitution of Barbados, after 50 years of Independence.

In the recently held elections (2018), concern and grievance was raised when Commonwealth citizens were being denied by the Electoral and Boundaries Commission (EBC) to vote. The EBC stood ground. The case traversed the Law courts and eventually docked at the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) which made a final judgement in favor of the Commonwealth citizens under threat to the EBC.

The Questions are…

-Why did the EBC stood ground?
-Was it a question of legality to vote?
-Is entitlement to vote, clearly defined in the regulations governing the EBC?
-Why did the CCJ upheld the legality of the Commonwealth Citizens’ right to vote?
-Did they base their judgement on the written Constitution?
-Should the Constitution be amended to favor Sovereignty?
-Are definitions conflicting?

Suffice to say, these events should have raised some strong concerns or point to Principle Considerations. It speaks to positions, that is, of the roll of the British Monarchy vs the Sovereignty of a Nations’ Independence. Is it unclear at this juncture? Should ANY lines be drawn?

We are aware that those territories still under the Union Jack are entitled to DUAL citizenship as well as a VOTE within the Commonwealth as long as they have met the requirements to vote as a CITIZEN…. BUT when a TERRITORY renounces the Commonwealth, the Sovereignty of the Nations’ Constitution becomes the adjutant of itself.

If the Constitution stills reflects the component of British subjection and omits Sovereign rights, then a civil discourse of minds must engage this rather peculiar situation to make clear the definitive principle.

85 responses to “For the Claim of Sovereign Allegiance”


  1. ww
    Expect that…
    DNA is playing a pivotal roll in the advancement of the human, call it evolution of the psyche or by any other name that connotes the inner man. True that it helps to know your ancestry, but what is unfolding in nefarious domains of intelligence gathering leaves one to think twice before submitting to DNA testing.

    Look what is happening next door in Trinidad.. forcing the civil service to mandatory submit their DNA to a collection body.
    But WHY?… Its A VIOLATION OF RIGHTS to begin with, its personal property. Ask yourselves why does this effort to create a database containing personal info on you and your ancestry go beyond the stockholders…. NOT GOOD.


  2. Nine…they are going to get it any way, they will find a way, my experience with how certain bodies operate tells me you can’t escape it, one way or the other they will get your genetic profile via ya blood, whether ya dead or alive, they will take it..

    ..we are better off utilizing the existing availability of the tests to know from whence we came and let them knock themselves out trying to create a bunch of fiction in their heads, they have still learned nothing about the fantasy of world dominance and the blowback that is possible……lol

    BTW…look at this..

    “(5) No person shall be compelled to take any oath which is contrary to his religion or belief or to take any oath in a manner which is contrary to his religion or belief’.”

    I am wondering if the ministers ever read the constitution and what are their beliefs…..if they have any beliefs outside of getting rich…

    Reading the constitution makes for a hell of an eye opener, given it particularly states that it was drafted in the british parliament, which makes the monarchic hold over them total…making it especially difficult to untie given that all persons born in Barbados and the Caribbean pre independence ARE british citizens, subjects and protected persons…still, today…that is part of the tangled web.

    The only caveats to the constitution are the pretty recent changes by the local Barbados government, which by the way belongs to the UK complete with ministers and GG…

    told cal something was very wrong with that set up…..my daughter was explaining the whole rigmarole to me…so let’s see what I can come up with during the course of reading.


  3. Told yall something was very wrong with that set up.


  4. The FIRST CONTRACT in renouncing the Commonwealth of England was establish by the Governor of the day, one lord Willoughby and commissioners representative of the Commonwealth of England via the Charter of Barbados (Feb 1651), built on the tenets of Christianity.(not sanctioned )

    A British naval fleet of seven ships arrived from England in October 1651 and set up a blockade of Barbados. Battles between the English forces and Willoughby’s militias took the lives of several hundred Barbadian men. Facing certain defeat against the imperial navy, Lord Willoughby surrendered on January 17, 1652.

    The SECOND CONTRACT in renouncing the Commonwealth of England was established on the declaration of Independence, reinforcing the Sovereignty of Barbados as a Nation. (sanctioned)


  5. The Constitution already provides for a Freedom of Information Act, that these 2 bit PMs and ministers from both political parties refused to legislate it for years.

    “Except with his own consent, no person shall be hindered in the enjoyment of his freedom of expression, and for the purposes of this section the said freedom includes the freedom to hold ideas and freedom to communicate ideas without interference, freedom to information without interference, freedom and from interference with his correspondence or other means of communication..”


  6. Nine …..but then they went to the british parliament and rolled back the whole thing when drafting the constitution, I thought it would have started on a Barbados’ sovereignity note, but it did not..


  7. WW
    So it seems, but somewhere I came across info suggesting there was “a revision ” of sorts done to coincide with Independence 1966,


  8. Nine… I will get it and post it to you cause it’s such a conversation piece, but am currently on page 27 and that is on the very first page of the constitution…well get back there in a while…

    this section clearly shows where Fruendel was clearly trying to get the CCJ to break the law in the Myrie case..

    “22. (1) No person shall be deprived of his freedom of move- ment, that is- to say, the right to move freely throughout Barbados, the right to reside in any part of Barbados, the right to enter Barbados, the right to leave Barbados and immunity from expulsion from Barbados.

    (2) Any restriction on a person’s freedom of movement that is involved in his lawful detention shall not be held to be inconsistent with or in contravention of this section.”


  9. And what really broke his back, grandstanding that the CCJ gotta go…joker, he would have to amend the constitution to gt rid go the CCJ..lol

    “(4) Where any question is referred to the High Court in pursuance of subsection (3), the High Court shall give its decision upon the question and the court in which the question arose shall dispose of the case in accordance with that decision or, if that decision is the subject of an appeal under this Constitution to the Court of Appeal or to the Caribbean Court of Justice, in accordance with the decision of the Court of Appeal or, as the case may be, of the Caribbean Court of Justice.”


  10. To get rid of the CCJ..


  11. Powers of the GG..

    ” (2) Subsection (1) shall not apply to the functions conferred upon the Governor-General by the following provisions of this Constitution, that is to say-

    (a) section 66(2) (which requires the Governor-General to revoke the appointment of the Prime Minister in certain circumstances) ;

    (6) the proviso to section 61(2) (which requires the Governor- General to dissolve Parliament in certain circumstances) ; and

    (c) section 84(4) (which requires the Governor-General to remove a Judge from office in certain circumstances).

    (3) Where the Governor-General is directed to exercise any function on the recommendation of any person or authority , he shall exercise that function in accordance with such rec- ommendation :

    Provided that-
    (a) before he acts in accordance therewith, he may, in his discretion, once refer that recommendation back for reconsideration by the person or authority concerned; and…”


  12. FYI…composition of parliament

    ” Composition of Parliament
    35. There shall be a Parliament of Barbados which shall consist of Her Majesty, a Senate and a House of Assembly.”

  13. Bernard Codrington Avatar
    Bernard Codrington

    Wuh Loss. The students doing well today. Proff. Cumberbatch will be pleased. I too glad for them.

  14. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    Stuppppse

    And you got the nerve to tell someone that they write dribble. Mottley is Prime Minister and George Payne is accused of some serious charges against his name and you decided that in your wisdom it is best to write a shite piece about allegiance.


  15. WW..
    Maybe Her Majesty wasn’t included in the contract of 1651, hence the Imperial Navy.
    Sleepy Smith described the then Governor and the representation of the day. That alone was enough to form the third party.

    What does the constitution speak to amends?


  16. Nine..ah got a couple pages still to go and I will post the relevant constitutional law…

    but it is instructive to note that under law which is solely tied to british parliament, they cannot get out from pledging this allegiance to the crown..

    “59. No member of either House shall take part in the proceedings thereof unless he has taken the oath of allegiance in such manner as is prescribed by any law in force in Barbados.”


  17. Very instructive…

    (1) The executive authority of Barbados is vested in Her Majesty .

    (2) Subject to the provisions of this Constitution, the executive authority of Barbados may be exercised on behalf of Her Majesty by the Governor-General either directly or through officers subordinate to him.

    (3) Nothing in this section shall prevent Parliament from conferring functions on persons or authorities other than the Governor-General.


  18. What is even more disturbing is, the governors general over the last 2 decades have not really being doing their jobs because they are appointed based on party affiliation which is counterproductive seeing as the GG can fire the PM, they have managed to turn it all assbackwards and allowed the ministers, PMs etc to run wild on the island..I hope Mason don’t sully her decades of service by allowing this government to act as wild as the last government..

    Anyway…prepared to be shocked…Nine…cause the soverignity offered, appears to be a fickle fantasy and very fleeting given what I posted before…I expected to see more about the island being sovereign in it’s own right in the document…all I saw was how much the ministers and GG were owned by UK…if ya leaders are owned by another country you are not sovereign, you exist at their whims and fancy, besides, they allow them to run wild on the island and will only rein in everything if another country threatens to thief the island..lol

    THE CONSTITUTION OF BARBADOS
    Whereas the love of free institutions and of independence has always strongly characterised the inhabitants of Barbados:

    And Whereas the Governor and the said inhabitants settled a Parliament in the year 1639:
    And Whereas as early as 18th February, 1651 those inhabitants, in their determination to safe guard the freedom,safety and well-being of theIsland,declared, through their Governor,Lords of the Council and members of the Assembly, their independence of the Commonwealth of England:

    And Whereas the rights and privileges of the said inhabitants were confirmed by articles of agreement, commonly known as the Charter of Barbados, had, made and concluded on 11th January, 1652 by and between the Commissioners of the Right Honourable the Lord Willoughby of Parham, Governor, of the one part, and the Commissioners on behalf of the Commonwealth of England, of the other part, in order to the rendition to the Commonwealth of England of the said Island of Barbados:

    And Whereas with the broadening down of freedom the people of Barbados have ever since then not only successfully resisted any attempt to impugn or diminish those rights and privileges so confirmed, but have consistently enlarged and extended them:
    Now, therefore, the people of Barbados
    (a) proclaim that they are a sovereign nation founded upon principles that acknowledge the supremacy of God, the dignity of the human person, their unshakeable faith in fundamental human rights and freedoms and the position of the family in a society of free men and free institutions;
    1 Section 10 of Act 1990-17 has been incorporated as section 9 of the Supreme Court of Judicature Act, Cap. 117A.
    THE LAWS OF BARBADOS
    Printed by the Government Printer, Bay Street, St. Michael by the authority of the Government of Barbados
    1974-34. 1980-52. 1981-24. 1985/50. 1989-16. 1990-17.1 1992-18. 1995-2. 2000-18. 2002-14. 2002-15. 2003-10. 2005-9. 2007-10. 2007-42.

    ss.1-2
    The Constitution of Barbados L.R.O. 2007 8
    (b) affirm their belief that men and institutions remain free only when freedom is founded upon respect for moral and spiritual values and the rule of law;

    (c) declare their intention to establish and maintain a society in which all persons may, to the full extent of their capacity, play a due part in the institutions of the national life;

    (d) resolve that the operation of the economic system shall promote the general welfare by the equitable distribution of the material resources of the community, by the human conditions under which all men shall labour and by the undeviating recognition of ability, integrity and merit;

    (e) desire that the following provisions shall have effect as the Constitution of Barbados—
    CHAPTER I THE CONSTITUTION

    This Constitution is the supreme law of Barbados and, subject to the provisions of this Constitution, if any other law is inconsistent with this Constitution, this Constitution shall prevail and the other law shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be void.

    CHAPTER II CITIZENSHIP
    2. (1) Every person who, having been born in Barbados, is on 29th November, 1966 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies shall become a citizen of Barbados on 30th November, 1966.
    (2) Every person who, having been born outside Barbados, is on 29th November, 1966 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies shall, if his father becomes or would but for his death have become a citizen of Barbados in accordance with the provisions of subsection (1), become a citizen of Barbados on 30th November, 1966.
    Constitution is supreme law.
    Persons who become citizens on 30th November, 1966.

    9 L.R.O. 2002 The Constitution of Barbados
    (3) Any person who on 29th November 1966 is a citizen of the
    United Kingdom and Colonies,
    (a) having become such a citizen under the British Nationality Act 19481 by virtue of his having been naturalised in Barbados as a British subject before that Act came into force; or
    (b) having become such a citizen by virtue of his having been naturalised or registered in Barbados under that Act,
    shall become a citizen of Barbados on 30th November 1966.
    3. (1) Any woman who on 29th November is or has been married to a person—


  19. Nine..that’s it for the day, I have to digest the information, there are 59 pages in my head, you will be getting my post soon..


  20. Though nitwits of confounded ineptitude, demons of the sorts with an agenda,rise to debase this discourse, do so out of darkness. Many are enlightened, I’m sure and will put malice to rest base on the facts presented. IGNORE!

    Many political arguments will be put to rest, though established, there is room for improvement going forward, a tweaking if you may.

    As per the determination of Citizenship, the Constitution determines a seven year period in one instance and a ten year minimum in another… How did the EBC arrived at a three year period of residency to be determined a citizen in order to vote?.. unless there was an amendment or stealth directive issued…certainly it is not noted in THIS “VERSION ” of the Constitution.


  21. WW. …
    Your efforts are appreciated, for delivery of the facts. A valued contribution, indeed.


  22. You are welcome Nine…there are still at least 65 pages to read, until we fully understand the constitution, we will not know what they are still hiding from us, the upside is.. the Barbados constitution is a hell of a lot easier and friendlier to read than the US constitution…that one is no picnic.

    One thing is for sure, there is a reason why that lot have refused to assert their rights to be sovereign, my daughter feels there is some benefit they get for not being a republic, that might be one reason, but to me it is too easy.

    If you do not own your own parliament, your own ministers whose salaries you pay along with the GGs salary who can also be paid from the Consolidated Fund…exactly what does the people have to call their own in that arrangement…..so the people are mere voters and the various slaves owned by the crown, paid by the people…are just goddamn puppets…no wonder they do nothing to benefit the majority population..


  23. @Well, Well 4:39pm
    Spot on. This idea that the rituals and symbols used in the swearing in of MPs and ministers is just symbolism and pomp and circumstance but in fact the people are the real sovereign power is a mistaken one resulting from a misunderstanding of the nature of governmental power within the British system of constitutional monarchy.

    In this system, supreme power is vested in the Crown in Parliament and not in the people. Therefore with regard to governance, the decision making power comes from the royal prerogative of the Crown which is exercised by the Prime Minister, the cabinet and the Governor General and from the laws passed in parliament. The people’s voice is absent. They cannot instruct their so-called representatives to vote in any particular way, they have no power to initiate legislation and they have no power to recall even a representative they are unhappy with, let alone dismiss a government until the Primie Minister, using their royal prerogative powers, calls a new election. Once they leave the ballot box, their decision making power within this system is spent. This is why governments can do what they like and the people can’t do anything to stop them. Even the oath to keep things secret from the people is evidence that the people are not sovereign. Have you ever had a job in which part of your work responsibilities was to keep secrets from your boss? In fact, in most cases doing just that would get you fired.

    It is true that the people of Barbados, like workers and poor people all over the world, have imposed universal adult suffrage onto this system through their sacrifices and struggles. However, it is also clear that this has not been enough to end the people’s marginalisation in the governance of the country.

    As Bajans, we need new constitutional arrangements which sweep away the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament, vest sovereignty in the people of Barbados and create the constitutional mechanisms that allow us to be the decision makers in our country.


  24. @ Tee White

    …”As Bajans, we need new constitutional arrangements which sweep away the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament, vest sovereignty in the people of Barbados and create the constitutional mechanisms that allow us to be the decision makers in our country”….

    EXACTLY,

    A momentous cause, visionary and a creation for Legacy, sets the precedence for others still in the mix. Its real liberty. from the ties than bind and you have those who would think its bribble or nonsense even to raise the issue.

  25. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Tee White…that’s the plan, hence my call for this very unique and quite unexpected but totally timely opportunity to be used to reform the Constitution. .

    ..the PM and GG have those powers…to amend the constitution….unless she is warned by her UK masters not to, which will tell us who is what cause they dont normally interfere in the day to day management of the country and the question will immediately arise about why the people/electorate cannot have the power to recall ministers and whole governments since:

    A) no GG has ever fired a prime minister or ministers in 52 years no matter the accusations against them, it is always left to the electorate to replace governments, so why should the people not have the power to remove and recall governments during their terms…..through referendum…

    Oh…it will be interesting to watch.

  26. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Surprised it is not named the Royal Supreme Court of Judicature

    “82. (1) If the office of Chief Justice is vacant or if the holder
    thereof is performing the functions of the office of Governor-General
    or is for any other reason unable to perform the functions of his office,
    then, until a person has been appointed to that office and assumed its
    functions or, as the case may be, until the holder thereof has resumed
    those functions, they shall be performed by such other person,
    qualified under section 81(2) for appointment as a Judge, as the
    Governor-General, acting on the recommendation of the Prime
    Minister, may appoint to act as Chief Justice by instrument under the
    Public Seal.”

  27. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Fruendel had to be removed, he is way too deceitful, the CCJ is even responsible for the removal of Supreme Court Judges if the process warrants it…

    “(4) A Judge shall be removed from office by the Governor-
    General, by instrument under the Public Seal, if the question of the
    removal of that Judge from office has, at the request of the Governor-
    General made in pursuance of subsection (5), been referred by him to
    the Caribbean Court of Justice and the Court has advised the
    Governor-General that the Judge ought to be removed from office for
    inability as aforesaid or for misbehaviour.”


  28. It is horrendous the findings thus far of the former Administration “works”. It appears that the delay to call the elections was buying time to tie off loose ends and cement a “Deep State” within the Government construct, to call upon and promote their “philosophy”, but nah, the doors were closed in the faces and left outside. Homeless, they will be desperate from fear, running to and fro, not even the rocks going hide them.

    Future proves past

  29. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Lol…that secret society of the local privy council wants disbanding, they have created a deep state in bajan style, I can just imagine how they managed to twist everything into corrupt knocks to such an extent that they can no longer even recognize themselves…let alone recognizing and accepting the laws and decisions from their own supreme court and CCJ judges.

    Many of them should be in prison for what they have done..


  30. knots


  31. It depends…
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/14/canadian-swear-allegiance-queen-oath-hereditary
    …Unsurprisingly, I’m not the only immigrant to Canada to feel this way. Michael McAteer, Simone Topey and Dror Bar-Natan have been fighting a legal battle to obtain citizenship without the oath. McAteer and Bar-Natan have political objections like mine, and Topey, a Rastafarian, has religious objections…

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