Hours after the Windrush story broke the UK Prime Minister May has been forced into damage control mode to apologize to Black leaders. Is this the opportune moment to force the reparations issue? Here is a link to The Sun newspaper article – Windrush generation – when did the children arrive, are they in the…
Hours after the Windrush story broke the UK Prime Minister May has been forced into damage control mode to apologize to Black leaders. Is this the opportune moment to force the reparations issue?
Here is a link to The Sun newspaper article – Windrush generation – when did the children arrive, are they in the UK illegally and how many are there?
“SOUNDS MUCH LIKE CONSPIRACY even CORRUPTION.”
Initially I found it odd that Barrow, given his age and the fact that he served in the war for UK and being a lawyer himself would ignore the fact and not negotiate with the UK regarding the british status of those born before 1966…turning them into duals…it bithered me, but I was willing to say he did not think of it which is even more odd when you think of it.
… it never entered my mind that these rotten no good bitches, despite my knowing how they love to keep secrets for white people like the mindless, useless slaves they are…would actually keep the existence of the 1948 Nationality Act a secret away from their own black people, who were bi6rn in the Caribbean as british citizens …and for 52 years….
….those black traitors would have had to be taking money from UK to keep that secret for all that time, although they are well known and have a centuries old reputation for betraying each other to whites and anyone else for free..
It is a conspiracy and a lot of corruption…no wonder there has been so much false diplomatic love all these decades between Caribbean leaders, African leaders and successive british governments…they are all douche bags and corrupt to their very empty souls.
The minister of FOREIGN AFFAIRS and by extension the PM must response to these disclosures…Where are statements? can they? will they?
Now that the House of Assembly is dissolved, that will be the responsibility of the next sitting Government.
Can they? is the better question, I dont see them wanting to voluntarily reveal information unless they can blame the other government and they cannot do that without also incriminating themselves in the deceit…it’s been 52 years, 5 decades of hiding that information , not even slick british lies can explain that one away.
They are probably hoping now to lose the election and let the next government carry that hot shit, someone may as well talk, the information is now everywhere.
Besides, you know when white people put any document in front these suited fools to sign, they neither read it properly nor fully understand it’s content, Cahill and other contracts of white scams come to mind, which were designed to disenfranchise the majority population and they all went right along with them, every idiot of parliament..so they may only be able to reveal certain things and we get to fill in the blanks, knowing how greedy they are, they would have to had been paid over the decades, cause the quickest thing to come out of Downing Street is how much aid they give the Caribbean…which in my mind now also translates to….to hold their british citizens born in the Caribbean for them.
It is worth noting that when the 1948 Nationality Act was created there was massive opposition in british parliament, when the Windrush was on it’s way to UK, the then minister who became PM wanted to divert the ship filled with Caribbean born british citizens to Africa..he was unsuccessful, it is safe to say that none of them have been able to remove the Act in it’s entirety…or they would.
it is also safe to say, that is the reason various black governments have been HOLDING still alive Caribbean born british citizens for the UK, without Caribbean people’s knowledge…that is obviously the unbreakable bond each black government has with UK…they cannot get rid of each other until all the current british born citizens in the Caribbean die out.
Unfortunately for them, our deaths did not come first.
What is going to happen and some really intelligent and talented people are involved here, there will eventually be a documentary or film about all this and with most of us still being alive, it will be worth seeing them all squirm for this injustice.
We can call ourselves…the ones they could not get rid of..and obviously, still can’t.
The travesty is being recorded and shared, if you care about yourself and the wellbeing of the Black family, share these travesties against the Black family.
Retired nurse, Cynthia Moore said she left Barbados in 1956 when she was 25 years old “to pursue a career in nursing.” She said: “My husband and I took out citizenship since 1968, and you did not have to pay penny for it then. After a while you had to pay £100 to get your citizenship.”(Quote)
I ask again: why did these people not regularise their status in the UK? I know there is a rabid kind of nationalism that dominates the blog, but I have seen nowhere an answer to a simple question. This does not apologise for the way these people have been treated by the Home Office, but it is still a valid question.
@Hal Austin April 23, 2018 9:16 AM “I ask again: why did these people not regularise their status in the UK? I know there is a rabid kind of nationalism that dominates the blog, but I have seen nowhere an answer to a simple question.”
If I may Hal?
In the same article, the Sunday Sun, April 22, 2018, page 13 A and 14 A, Lawrence Moore the husband of Cynthia Moore is reported to have said that he thanked his wife for making the decision that they would apply for British citizenship.
What if Lawrence was the type of man who had not listened and followed his wife’s good advice?
A part of the reason that some people did not apply is that some people, maybe many people are intimidated by government documents. You are a writer Hal, words are your natural gift, your formal training, your profession. Clearly you are not intimidated by words, clearly you are not intimidated by government documents. What if you had been a bus conductor? What if you had been like my auntie, born in Barbados in 1920, completed your formal education at age 13, moved to the U.K. at 41, worked there at a maid on a hospital ward. In other words what about those people who did not/do not have your youth, your education, your professional experience? What about those people? In addition she had no children, and people without ready access to the younger generations often fall behind on what is happening in their society, because there is no loving young person whom they can turn to for help.
I had always assumed that because my auntie lived in the U.K for so many years that she was a British citizen, but is going through her things after her death I found no evidence that she had ever applied for citizenship. Maybe she was, maybe she wasn’t. I will now never know, and since she is dead it does not matter, but there people born in the 1920’s like she was who are now finding themselves in difficulties. That is not right. It is not fair. It is not moral. It is not just.
So some of the reasons for “failing” to apply:
Poor education
Very young at age of migration and so perhaps being unaware that they had been migrated
Older than average at time of migration, and having to go to work perhaps at multiple jobs, so time constraints
Large families, many women’s lives are consumed by the tasks and time required to raise large families. No contraceptive pills before 1962.
Sexism–husbands, who unlike the dutiful Lawrence did not listen to their wives. Husbands who asserted leadership in the family, but did not follow through in doing the paperwork. We all know women who even now will say “I have to ask my husband first”
Some people moved back and forth between the U.K. and Barbados because they retained some responsibility for caring for elderly parents in the Caribbean, sometimes they moved back and forth when their marriages broke down and they struggled with childcare, especially if they did shift worked, for example as a nurse in the NHS, that certainly happened within my own family.
Being imperfect human beings. But aren’t we all imperfect human beings each in our own special way?
The U.K government was happy to take the tax money from Mr. Barnes and people like Mr. Barnes for more than 50 years, and now the U.K government fearful that he will require health care want to keep him out. But the British government and their European and American allies are infamous for separating black people from their families. They have hundreds of years experience in imposing such family separations.
Remember just last year the Trump government ruled that grandmothers are not family–but third wives are family.
Simple Simon April 23, 2018 10:52 AM
All the points you make are relevant, but not a single one is relevant to the situation the Windrush victims find themselves in. The question still remains: why did these people not regularise their situation? You can speculate as much as you like, but until they say why you do not know.
By the way, the vast majority of Barbadians in the US and have moved their since the 1960s and changes in the immigration laws( the 1965 Hart-Celler Act).
As to taxation, every man and woman who works in the UK and earns above the tax-free amount pays taxes on that sum, along with national insurance until they reach the age of state retirement. After the age of 65 you pay no national insurance. It has nothing to do with being a citizen.
I’m presently watching part 1 of 4 Windrush, I must admit it’s not the first time I’ve heard England being referred to as the mother country, but it’s sickening to hear so many black ass people whose ancestors were ripped out of Africa calling white Britain their mother country. I need not remind anyone what Britain did to our ancestors in the form of slavery. Mother country my ass!! How the hell we ever got so stupid as Rass hole I’ll never know.
If it is all they know what do you expect? Especially if these people have lived practically all their lifes in the country?
BTW, you returning nationals from the UK with your dipped grand children and white in-laws, you’re not so special after all. So, the next time you’re out for your walks when I’m chatting with my white Canadian neighbor, you can continue to bow and genuflect to him and ignore me standing right next to him. #mothercountrymyass
Stop pandering David of BU, I’m talking of Black ass West Indians, how could they not have known.
lol…they only know how to kiss white ass even anonymously.
it is a curse that has to be purged from their souls, now all this has been revealed, they won’t be so damn uppity anymore, now it’s revealed that their fellow Caribbean Blacks who were never IMMIGRATED by the british home office, as they were, are still british citizens, aint that some ish….
many of them I know ya gotta bring them back down to earth in raw NYC style cause their heads are stuck firmly up their asses, just like their foolish sounding accents.
white brits never appealed to me, they all look like savages with really bad teeth, no one worth pandering to, if ya sane.
That was quick…no it’s not over, hell no, they want it to go away as quickly as possible…too much else to come out and use as weapons to cause them endless grief.
including the fact that there is a movement in London picking up steam to have a national discussion about UK’s centuries old atrocities across the globe.
They have to address the Caribbean born people who were born prior to the different dates of independence in the islands and were considered british citizens under their immoveable 1948 Nationality Act, then they will be doing something, they are in way too much of a hurry to bury this, do the right thing by addressing everything under the Nationality ACT.
Forgot to add:
They have to address the Caribbean born people who were born prior to the different dates of independence in the islands and were considered british citizens under their immoveable 1948 Nationality Act, many of them born between 1948 and 1974 depending on the date of each islands independence and most of whom ARE STILL ALIVE and living in the Caribbean or in other jurisdictions.., then they will be doing something.
If they CANNOT get rid of the 1948 Nationality Act…they cannot get rid of these people born under the Union Jack and under british rule either.
@ Hal,
Please check the link below. It makes for fascinating listening. Alex Pascale the old time Radio London presenter is on form. Excellent contributions by all but i was somewhat confused by Well Well’s contribution @ 12.58 (who has kept this important new’s story running) and Whitehall’s bizarre offering @ 12.30 and 12.38.
@ David,
Any chance of you waking up our resident legal man: Jeff Cumberbatch. Surely he must have something to contribute to this topic?
@talking aloud…
Jeff is an adult who monitors the blog.
Talking Loud @12:58 was just to provoke our fellow Caribbean british citizens, now domiciled in UK….lol
Talking Loud saying Nothing April 23, 2018 3:27 PM
Alex is great. I have had the great privilege of producing the Black Londoners programme on BBC Radio London, which Alex presented for years. He has made a great contribution to the cultural history of Black London.
John comes and so does Boreman.
It’s shameful that the man Pascale had to call out Holness of Jamaica for dodging speaking on the Windrush issue, too many Caribbean leaders are too coward and have been hiding critical information from their own people
how many Jamaicans actually know that they can apply for dual british citizenship,
The female was not even aware, given her birth after Jamaica’s independence, that her parents were already british citizens before they left Jamaica under the 1948 Nationality ACT.
What is the Barbados governments been hiding from their people besides that critical piece of information….
What has the Grenadian, Trinidad, St. Vincent, St Lucia governments been hiding from their people born prior to independence about their dual british nationality.
Your sock-puppets, Dave, in their dozens, have never been even minimally interesting. What Bushie what? What HC what?
@ Hal Austin April 23, 2018 11:40 AM
“Simple Simon April 23, 2018 10:52 AM
All the points you make are relevant, but not a single one is relevant to the situation the Windrush victims find themselves in. The question still remains: why did these people not regularise their situation? You can speculate as much as you like, but until they say why you do not know.”
These ‘West Indian (foolish) people’ did not apply for British citizenship for the same set of reasons you have not returned to live (permanently) in Barbados.
Why don’t you look into the mirror for the answer?
Dr. Simple Simon (PhD) put it in the succinctly simple Annancy story style by opining that “it seems to me that the British government are giving the Windrush immigrants a basket to carry water in”; or to be Jamaican specific: ‘Dem give yu basket fi carry water”.
If simple West Indian folks are finding it so difficult to obtain what they are morally and legally entitled to- having made such major contributions to modern Britain- can you imagine what the black educated class would be up against in their fight for Reparations for the past sins of the British committed against the ancestors of the same black West Indians?
In one of your “Notes from a [black] Native Son on the Notting Hill Carnival, here is what you had to say about the pathetically disappointing absence of business acumen among the so-called ‘educated black West Indians trying to pass for ‘British’:
“The carnival is estimated by the Daily Telegraph to bring £100m in to the local economy. Of that, it can be safely said that the Caribbean community gets minimal benefits from this, either as small entrepreneurs or as consumers. This is based on a crude calculation of one million people attending on each of the two days and spending about £50 per capita. One reason for this business failure is the lack of organisation and business enterprise: an inability over the last near 50 years to set up a permanent organisational structure to mange carnival and negotiate on behalf of the community. Another failure, one that is replicated across the Caribbean, is the refusal of professional people to step forward and provide the community leadership the event badly needs.”
This is important, Dave, and none of your sock-puppets have a clue how to deal with it.
When the argument is made that black men of prime age comprise 4 percent of US population but commit 51 percent of all the homicides, how the phuque are your dozen sock-puppets going to deal with the numbers?
Juss aksin’.
According to Simple, some of us are making too light of individual cases, every case is different and for different reasons .
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6109449/windrush-gran-81-stuck-caribbean/
“can you imagine what the black educated class would be up against in their fight for Reparations for the past sins of the British committed against the ancestors of the same black West Indians?”
Miller…ya know Beckles and all the government ministers and politicians with their tongues hanging out waiting for reparations pay out can kiss that goodbye…not going to happen with this ongoing Windrush scandal..and it is definitely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN…if they all continue to keep hidden the citizenship status of those born before independence.
They have no clue how many people are coming on board this, how many Caribbean people in London and worldwide…so let them wait thinking they will get any damn reparations money off the backs of our brutalized, murdered, raped, enslaved ancestors…unless all this is first resolved.
Can you imagine what the black miseducated class will be up against now…it’s not only Downing Street…dem a haffa deal wit now…uhh, uhh…they also have to deal with those who are not yet dead.
@whiteHill April 23, 2018 12:38 PM ” #mothercountrymyass”
Actually it is “mothercuntry”
Lol
Bushie an Welly Gotma Bawlin April 23, 2018 4:33 PM “When the argument is made that black men of prime age comprise 4 percent of US population but commit 51 percent of all the homicides, how the phuque are your dozen sock-puppets going to deal with the numbers?”
Racism.
Why do you think that a people can be excluded from the center of their society for hundreds of years, denied wages, denied decent work, denied education, denied the right to marry, denied the right to be with their families.
And you expect zero consequences?
If so you are an unmitigated idiot.
lol…I am here just envisioning governments over the last 5-6 decades in Barbados and the Caribbean using that information to grow yardfowls and mindless, stupid supporters, so that if you are not a yardfowl acting like a slave, you and your family born in that era of 1948 pre independence would never know your real citizenship status….
.. these low rent, trifling, low class politicians that the british gave birth when they introduced their corrupt system of governancet to their colonies.
And even so what has crime in the United States–a society that has committed horrendous war crimes against the indigenous people and against the black enslaved people.
What has this got to do with the British deporting 70 to 90 year old grandmothers, none of whom have criminal convictions.
I don’t see see anybody trying to deport Melania, the newcomer? Does she have the right papers anyow?
The BU idiots will definitely not want this narrative, cause many minorities in Barbados and their children and grandchildren have had dual british citizenship through grandparent ancestry for decades.
Hey Bushie an Welly Gotma Bawlin
Can you explain to me why
No white man ever had a wallet mistaken for a gun and was shot.
** Have blacks innvented a leather gun?
An armed white man can confront the police and is not shot.
** Better be a white man with a gun than an unarmed black man with a wallet
How a black man can be fleeing and shot in the back because the police thought he threatening and attacking.
**Black just have the ability to look like they are attacking when running away?
Why crimes that would land a young black l;ad in jail is explained as “Boys will be boys for others”.
** Our kids are never children, just criminals.
Why 70% of the arrested people is comprised of Blacks and Hispanic in an area of NYC although they are 20% of that population.
** Whitey no longer like MaryJ
Why we had crack addicts and a crack epidemic but now it is an opioid crisis and we talk of addiction. Don’t even talk of the uneven sentencing for possession of drugs?
** Guess when it is in your house, you can appeal for sympathy
Hey, what about the black guys that were doing what white people do in Starbucks all the time
** Guess they were about to rob the place.
I’ll confess that the US has some messed up statistics, but a law that is applied unequally will magnify problems.
Lest we forget, that those who were brought to Caribbean under stress and duress, not of any will of theirs were AFRICAN.
Lest we forget that when the British landed in the Caribbean they found indigenous peoples.
Damm to refer Blacks as British, Afro-American et al… none of them denounced their ancestry, lineage, heritage or homeland, or received documentation purporting citizenship of BRITAIN, they were African, treated as property, slaves.
WE ARE AFRICANS, the original ancient Hebrew Israelites. Since the advent and awakening by the movie “Black Panther its time to claim back our true identity from those who have separated and falsely indoctrinated us.
The British treatment of the Windrush migrants is unconscionable. They are using the same tactic as Donald Trump to expel the Dreamers from the US. However there is a difference. The Windrush migrants are British subjects with the right of abode in the UK. If their landing cards were destroyed they should still be able to prove their citizenship using old passports or birth certificates.
It is hypocritical of the Caribbean leaders to complain about the treatment of the Windrush migrants. They had the opportunity to advance the cause of West Indians but chose to dissolve the West Indian Federation in 1962. The Federation was formed by the British to replace their colonial status after independence.
@Leslie Chin April 23, 2018m9:24 PM “old passports ”
I don’t know anybody with a 40, 50, 60 or 70 year old passport. Do you?
Spare a minute to listen to this old fart leader of Malaysia (Indo-Chinese) Relationship on trade/investment
Eye opener
The West Indies and England connection that has long played a critical role in the development of many of this region’s best international cricketers may be in jeopardy.
And a member of the Barbados Cricket Association has lashed out at “powerful” organisations like Cricket West Indies, which he accused of remaining silent in the face of the developing issue.
According to Winston Stafford, the issue surrounds new “rigid criteria” that he called “managing migration” which was “insidiously” introduced by the Home Office in 2006. However, it was only implemented from 2012.
Stafford explained that because of the stringent regulation some young, talented Barbadian cricketers who may have represented their school in Under-17 cricket might soon lose out on the experience of developing their game in the United Kingdom. This is because under the regulation they would be classified as “in the pathway to international/professional cricket” and therefore cannot play cricket as an amateur. (SDB Media)(Quote)
Is this guy serious? I have rarely seen such spectacular ignorance in my life. Even reading this appalling nonsense gets my blood pressure rising. Is this what we mean by 98 per cent literacy? Are these the fools in charge of our youth cricket?
The Brits have done a number of things so as to blunt the edge we had on cricket a few years ago, these knuckle head leaders have pissed away millions of tx payers dollars on shit, but couldn’t appreciate we needed to invest in cricket. Just look at the acres of once productive cane fields now the Brits aren’t taking our sugar like before.
We cannot blame the Brits for our incompetent management of our leading recreational activity. It is our fault. Now we want to blame them for not developing our young cricketers. We are jokers.
re We cannot blame the Brits for our incompetent management of our leading recreational activity. It is our fault. Now we want to blame them for not developing our young cricketers. We are jokers.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IDIOT KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT CRICKET
ANYONE WHO HAS SERIOUSLY FOLLOWED ENGLISH COUNTY CRICKET KNOWS THAT THE ENGLISH NOW ALLOWS CRICKETERS IN THEIR COUNTY CRICKET ESPECIALLY FROM NZ, AUSTRALIA AND SOUTH AFRICA,
EVEN SO NO BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS OR WEST INDIANS ARE CONTRACTED UNTIL THEY ARE PASSED THEIR PRIME, OR WHEN EMPLOYED AS ENTERTAINERS FOR THEIR LIMITED OVERS COMPETITIONS
INTERNATIONAL CRICKET AND ESPECIALLY THE ENGLISH HAS NO INTENTION OF ALLOWING A BLACK WEST INDIAN CRICKET TEAM TO DOMINATE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET FOR TWO DECADES AS THEY DID FROM 1976 TO 1995
IN THE YEARS GONE BY, PRIOR TO THAT, AND DURING THAT PERIOD, SEVERAL BLACK WEST INDIANS AND OTHERS PLAYED IN THE LEAGUES, WHERE THEY HONED THEIR SKILLS VS THE SWINGING BALL, AND IMPROVED THEIR BATTING TOO.
BECAUSE THEY WERE PAID, THEY WERE EXPECTED TO BAT AND BOWL, AND OFTEN OPENED BOTH BOWLING AND BATTING.
CONSEQUENTLY THEIR CRICKET DEVELOPED.
AFTER 1968 WHEN ENGLISH COUNTY CRICKET WAS ON ITS DEATH BED VERY GOOD WEST INDIAN CRICKETERS WERE EMPLOYED, BUT SEVERAL RUN OF THE MILL OR AVERAGE BLACK WEST INDIANS PLAYED COUNTY CRICKET.
WE NOW HAVE TWO TOKEN BAJAN BLACKS PLAYING WHO ENGLAND HOPE WILL ENHANCE THEIR CRICKET FORTUNES
LET US SEE HOW LONG THEY WILL LAST
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